SPEAKER_00 0:00

Alright, well I'm I'm very happy to hear that. And uh it's quite fortuitous I guess especially to be able to interview you considering how much news there is right now with the uh shuttle, huh?

SPEAKER_01 0:10

Yeah, it's uh it's capturing its portion of it. I haven't haven't heard anything today uh that's different, but uh I've I have been busy and I haven't followed the news today, so I don't know any latest developments here.

SPEAKER_00 0:22

Yeah, well they claim that uh right now it's looking like they're gonna have to do some repairs to the shuttle because of the same type of issue, you know, with the uh a piece flying off of it that it's very similar to what happened with Columbia, so I wasn't I wasn't aware of that.

SPEAKER_01 0:37

I knew that there had been a little h some dings or some uh impact, but I didn't I haven't heard any evaluation of it yet.

SPEAKER_00 0:45

Yeah, so uh it's unfortunate for sure, and uh at least now they know what the implications can be, though. So all right, Mike, are we uh ready to go? Okay, well we are now recording, so uh I'll give you an introduction here and then we'll start the interview, okay, uh Dr. Mitchell? That's fine. Okay, great. You know, most nights we stare up into the sky and see that glowing white ore blooming silently above. It's a truly striking sight that we tend to take for granted. The moon is two hundred and fifty thousand miles away and smaller than the United States at 2,000 miles across. There are six billion people on Earth, and only twelve humans have actually walked on the moon. It's difficult to imagine being up there with the entire planet Earth, just a blue sphere in the background. And that's why, in part, I'm so thrilled to speak with a man who has indeed walked on the moon, but he's also done so much more. Dr. Edgar Mitchell is a living legend, and by simply hearing this interview tonight, you are touching an important slice of history. Dr. Mitchell was the sixth man to set foot on the lunar surface via Apollo 14 in 1971, NASA's third manned landing, but that was just the beginning. He had a mystical experience on the mission that changed his life and led him to form the Institute of Noetic Sciences, an organization devoted to exploring the mysterious. Well, this man obviously knows more than anyone about the reality of space travel, and he has found credible evidence for the existence of life outside our planet. I've been looking forward to this for a long time, and it is an unequivocal honor to say Dr. Edgar Mitchell. Welcome to the program.

SPEAKER_01 2:38

Thank you very much, Josh. It's a pleasure to be with you.

SPEAKER_00 2:40

Well, I know how busy you are, and and I want to thank you right up front for taking the time to be my guest tonight. Uh okay, Dr. Mitchell, let's start with the basics. Please tell us where you're from, where you are, and your description of what you do.

SPEAKER_01 2:56

Well, at the moment and for the last 20 almost 30 years, I have lived in Florida, um, center of South Florida, and um have been involved in research and uh through my institute and other avenues, um, my institute of phonetic sciences, into the nature of consciousness and as a cosmologist and quantum physicist, I'm trying to answer the question how did all this start?

SPEAKER_00 3:22

And that's a big question. Uh you know, growing up, what experiences made you want to become an astronaut?

SPEAKER_01 3:28

Well, I didn't want didn't have uh ideas of becoming an astronaut in my early days. It was too soon for that. But it was uh I was born in nineteen thirties, so I'm uh uh went through World War U World War II as a youngster. But I graduated from college at the time of the Korean War and um was gonna be drafted, so I enlisted in the Navy. Uh I was already a pilot, so I became a a p na uh naval aviator. And was doing my tours of duty in the Pacific in the nineteen fifties and became a test pilot at that point. And in October of nineteen fifty-seven, Sputnik put up and I realized he wanted to be right behind robot spacecraft, and I chose at that point to uh see if I could uh change my career. I had no real plans for a Navy career, I was planning a career in business, but uh the war intervened and I here I was a naval officer in the Korean War. And suddenly the idea of going into space following robot spacecraft uh loomed on the horizon and I shaped my career path at that point by getting a PhD, getting extra uh flight time and jet experience and test pilot experience, and was selected into the Apollo program in 1966.

SPEAKER_00 4:50

Wow, what an honor. I mean, I can't even imagine the competition there must be for a program like that. And now how long did the trip to the moon take and was it comfortable?

SPEAKER_01 5:02

Well, it was um comfort, I guess, is a relative thing. We worked pretty hard, we had a lot to do, and uh uh yes, going to the moon was uh interesting experience. Um we were the third mission to the moon after following Apollo 13. The third mission to the moon, we began the scientific exploration of the moon. The first two missions, Apollo 11 and 12, were designed just to make sure we could do it and do it where we land where we wanted to land. And our mission was to build upon that and start to do exploration of the geology of the moon and set up scientific stations and bring back samples, take pictures, um, and be explorers. And we did that very well. My partner was on the surface was uh um finally uh Captain uh Alan Shepard, finally Admiral Alan Shepherd, and our partner uh orbiting in the command module was Colonel Stuart Russo, unfortunately both now deceased. And uh so here I am. I'm the last one of that particular crew.

SPEAKER_00 6:11

Well, I think it's safe to say that no one listening to this program will ever walk on the moon, but you've been there. What can you tell us to help us understand what it's like to be there?

SPEAKER_01 6:26

Well, I think the first uh the first observation is that those of us who went were highly motivated explorers, and for an explorer to go where humans have never been before, to uh set foot on an alien planet, be the first condary of humans to set foot on an alien planet, to be able to look around to explore them. Unfortunately, our uh studies, our our uh uh uh simulations, our expectations were quite good. The geologist and the uh scientists that helped prepare us to go to the moon were very knowledgeable. Their work was good, and so we didn't find any major surprises as far as a lunar surface is concerned. And uh, but we did start to bring back data that would confirm or uh allow scientists to develop better theories of the relationship of Earth to Moon, its origins, and uh how this came to be.

SPEAKER_00 7:30

Well, was it at all scary or eerie to see the Earth in the background like that?

SPEAKER_01 7:35

No, of course. The uh it's quite a sight, of course, to uh see Earth from space, particularly from the surface of the moon, and to uh see this magnificent little planet. At the time we were on the moon, however, we were too busy. We were programmed to about 120 percent of human capacity just in case something broke and we had to abandon it. We didn't want to be leftist with nothing to do, so when nothing broke, we had to work to 120 percent of given capacity. And uh that meant uh following the checklist, we were always running behind, and it meant work, work, work. And uh we had a few seconds we had steal a few seconds every now and then to gawk at the earth and look at the horizon and uh look at the panorama and the landscape and say, wow, but then back to work. And the real moments of reflection um came after leaving the lunar surface, and we had three days on the way home of relatively light work in a well-functioning spacecraft. And uh for me uh that was that was a very high point, being able to look out of the spacecraft of the cabin windows. And since we were rotating, uh kind of like on a barbecue spin to keep thermal balance on the spacecraft, that meant that every uh couple of minutes, the whole panorama of Earth, moon, sun, stars, uh, heavens, galaxies would pass through the cabin window. And that was that was wow.

SPEAKER_02 9:20

Oh, I bet.

SPEAKER_01 9:21

And you our listeners have to realize that in space, without the intervening atmosphere, the heavens, the stars, and the galaxies, and the galactic clusters, and everything is about ten times brighter, an order of magnitude brighter, uh, and more numerous than you can see from Earth. So it's a truly awesome, really awesome experience. And that was what led to very shortly as I watched this, uh, since, of course, my earlier training, as I mentioned, I got a doctorate from MIT, and I'd studied astronomy and all the things appropriate to uh trying to go into space. And I realized that um the molecules of my body and the molecules of the spacecraft and the molecules in the body of my partners have been prototyped in some ancient generation of stars. That's the way we know how matter is formed. And instead of an intellectual experience, it became a very personal knowing. Those were mind molecules, a very visceral, visceral experience, and accompanied by an ecstasy, uh a wow, mountaintop, a peak experience, a lot of words for it. And uh this this continued for when I wasn't uh consumed with uh chores and the spacecraft. And this continue uh continued all the way home, and it was such a powerful experience uh with uh this ecstatic experience and this insight, I called it an epiphany, if you will, that when I came back I had I started uh doing some research to see if I could understand if there was anything in the literature that uh told me about this type of peak experience, this insight. And uh in the science literature there was nothing. And I had to start digging in digging through mystical literature, and uh finally found it, after a few months research, finally found it in the ancient literature of the Sanskrit of India, and found that the experience that I had experien had in space had a name, and it was called samadhi or salvakapa samadhi to be particular, which means that you see things in all their separateness, but you experience them viscerally as a oneness, as a whole, as a unity, and it's accompanied by an ecstasy, uh of wow. And uh so I was satisfied I had a name for what was happening, and I continue to do research and uh into different cultures and found that virtually in the lore, in the mystical traditions, in the verbal traditions, um whether it be uh the the mystics of all cultures, somewhere in the dim, dark past had reported uh this type of experience. They had different names for it and maybe a little different description, but if it's pad amount to exactly the same experience. And uh that turned out to be the in my research, it turned out to be the common experience or transcendent experience uh common to every culture. And whether that culture called them shamans, witch doctors, medicine men, uh uh kahuna or whatever they called them, um they were the ones who had the reported, recorded, and talked about these experiences. And the interesting thing is that uh the experience was the same, and much of the description is the same, but then when the the people, the culture tries to express it and described it uh apart from the mystics who have had it, those who haven't had the experience try to utilize it. Let's call that the esoteric. The experience itself we might call the esoteric, transcendent experience, but the expression of it is called the exoteric. And in all the cultures, the exoteric seems to seems to be different, although it's based on the same experience. And um that esoteric experience is a basis of our religions, and all of our cultural religions seem to be markedly different, and we fight over whose God's the best God and whose interpretation is the best interpretation. But my research says they're all based in the same essence essence of deep understanding, and uh that's the story.

SPEAKER_00 14:15

Well, did the other astronauts have similar experiences?

SPEAKER_01 14:19

As a matter of fact, they did, and it precisely illustrated what I'm talking about. Most of the people like myself, who were lunar module pilots and had their uh most of their work completed uh after we left the lunar surface, had a similar type experience. And by talking to them, I realized we we had a an identical experience. But because of our different background and belief systems and uh understandings of nature and uh religious traditions, we did just what I said. We all expressed it in different words, but it was the same experience.

SPEAKER_00 15:00

Well, now this was such an overwhelming, powerful experience for all of you. How do you respond to these people who suggest that men have never gone to the moon?

SPEAKER_01 15:10

Well, I don't particularly worry about them. I had one of them in my house, and as soon as he revealed what he was about, I threw him out, banished him from my house. Um but my response basically is do you really think the the Soviets would have let us get away with making all this when uh this was a race for superiority in space, the United States against the Soviet Union? And do you really think they would have let us uh make it? Of course not. They'd have blown the whistle immediately. So the bet best answer is uh if this was a political start out as a political mission, it was political in nature and for control of space, and the Soviets would not have uh let us do what is being accused of, we're accused of.

SPEAKER_02 16:00

Uh what do you think?

SPEAKER_01 16:01

That's just that's a simple answer. Sure. And of course, uh there's a good website, uh badastronomy.com, that goes through each and each and every one of the so-called hoaxer arguments and puts the lie to them. There's no there's no validity in them whatsoever.

SPEAKER_00 16:17

Well, uh, you know, the the brute force of rocketry seems crude compared with some of the electromagnetic technologies we understand. Do you think NASA has more advanced craft traveling into space that is currently classified?

SPEAKER_01 16:32

Well, I can't say that NASA does. I am uh pretty well convinced that uh there are more exotic craft than uh we're the public's aware of. Now, how many of those in these days are really under control of Earth entities uh I can't say for sure. But there are techniques of space travel that uh are not in our public domain at the moment.

SPEAKER_00 17:03

So, what evidence have you seen for life in the universe apart from what is found on Earth?

SPEAKER_01 17:10

Well, I don't think that um I have personally ever been convinced uh since going into space that we're alone in the universe. Um the universe is too magnificent, too huge, too large, and the notion that we're alone in the universe is a very primitive idea of primitive peoples. But beyond that, the question of uh w we're only now scientifically coming to uh identify planets and star systems uh within our galaxy and um and some of them not too far away, that might possibly be uh uh bearers of life like on Earth. However, I also uh although I have no personal experience with this, I have been briefed and I have been among people who are in the know, and I know we have been visited, and um have continued to be visited for some time, and that the UFO phenomenon, uh as we so call it UFO phenomenon, is a valid real phenomenon, and we have been visited. Um and I can't I don't know all the details. I know a few, but I do not know enough details. I don't consider myself an expert at all in that area, except to say that uh I know it's all real.

SPEAKER_00 18:39

So why do you think the government or whoever has access is keeping all this secret and and keeping it away from the public?

SPEAKER_01 18:47

Well, there's there's a long history with that, but it goes back to World War II, really. Excuse me, I'm uh got a little cut in the throat. It goes back to World War II when right after World War II the uh uh Army Air Corps was changed into the Air Force, and the OSS uh Division of Government Office Special Services was disbanded and became a CIA, and a whole host of um political and military uh metamorphosis was taking place. At that point in time, no end not anybody really knew who was on first. Um that is the time of the so-called 1947 Roswell incident. And as a result, and as a result of um that, um it was directly President Truman who set up a commission to investigate that. And it was set in, I don't remember, it's the National Security Act, I think, of 1947, that is the uh prevailing law that was passed to bring this in uh under classification, under a control, very limited control at that point. And it's been under that very limited secret control ever since. And I'm afraid I personally think it's a very incestuous organization that has grown self-perpetuating and uh excluding most anybody that tries to know about it, including presidents and uh uh any other high-level officials. So um I don't quite know where this is going, except I'm hoping it's going to be broken open here in the not too distant future, and the public more fully informed as to what's really going on.

SPEAKER_00 20:42

Well, now when we think of extraterrestrials, we think of you know the grays or these different types of models of uh an alien. Are those accurate so far as you understand? Are they humanoid to that degree?

SPEAKER_01 20:55

As far as I know, the so-called grays has a fairly accurate description of at least one of the groups. How many of the groups there really are, I am not qualified to speak. Um I have been told or uh with certain amount of authority that there's more than one, perhaps up to four or so. But I have no I do not I don't have the the knowledge to properly speak to that.

SPEAKER_00 21:24

Well, you know, some people suggest that these creatures are actually from Earth, that they don't come from uh outer space, but you know differently from what you've understood, is that right? That's correct. And so do you think that they themselves are cooperating with our government or our governments so that they can benefit in some way, or I mean what what do they want from civilization so far as you've understood?

SPEAKER_01 21:51

I cannot answer that uh as with any great uh specificity. Uh certainly I see no hostile intent here. that I'm aware of. There may be uh if there's more than one group, there may be some of them with host with hostile intent. But were there hostile intent, they certainly have capabilities for exceeding ours. Uh so if that was that was the case we wouldn't really have um much recourse. But I don't think that's the case. And um we haven't seen anything but observation and cooperation as far as I know.

SPEAKER_00 22:29

How do you feel about the accuracy of the abduction phenomenon?

SPEAKER_01 22:34

Well I do not consider myself expert in that but um Professor John Mack of Harvard whom I knew quite well but now deceased as of last October I considered one of the leading uh thinkers and um investigators in that area and he was convinced that many of the people he worked with had had valid type experiences that they were not simply hallucinations or um um other forms of mental aberration but were recollections of true experience. Now there are other investigators who would agree with that uh and I would tend to go along with Dr.

SPEAKER_00 23:22

Mack's uh assessment that um he had truly interviewed the valid experiencers well you know you're a man of such pristine credentials that you're surely being monitored by the government um how do government agencies and other astronauts feel about your willingness to be honest and open regarding these secret extraterrestrial issues well in many ways I guess I'm kind of a lone ranger here but there are uh quite a number of very very good investigators uh who have uh spent many years looking at these phenomena I'm certainly not alone in saying this and I have I have um relied upon in many ways the investigations and the pronouncements of people certainly more involved in all this than I have been and so we hear all these stories about men in black or you know curious agents poking around scenes and people that have some connection to UFOs uh have you encountered that sort of thing and no I have not personally been involved with that so now uh your experiences span such a wide range the most people can't even relate aside from your experience coming back from the moon what is the weirdest thing you've experienced in your life uh well that's a that's an original question something different uh I guess that it all has to do with the several phenomena I have worked with as a result of that space experience in which I have worked with some rather interesting uh people like Uri Keller for example and healers who and I have been the object of healing activity here in recent years and uh have observed uh and and worked with uh some refined healers uh uh over the years that uh and of course I've spent a lot of time trying to understand these phenomena and my institute of noetic sciences was put together particularly for the purpose of trying to bring science to bear upon these uh quote mystical experiences and as I pointed out earlier in our conversation here they are rooted in the same transcendent experience uh that's reported in every culture and that being the case it should be something that science can take a look at and my colleagues and I uh for the last 30 years in growing numbers have come to try to understand this phenomenon of consciousness and its many manifestations uh not only as manifest in we normal humans but in the extraordinary capabilities of uh healers uh shamans mystics people like Uri Keller and others that I have worked with who uh exhibit a very powerful capability and let's call it intentionality in other words we've come to understand intentionality counts for something it does affect the world we live in and that we don't create our reality but we sure as the world uh participate and interact with it and change it by our choices.

SPEAKER_01 27:07

So I have been studying these type phenomena for 30 some years now.

SPEAKER_00 27:11

Wow and so have you personally witnessed uh telekinetic effects? Oh yes oh yes many times well that's uh just mind boggling um so ultimately where do you think we should focus in order to make the next big breakthrough in understanding where do we have the highest chances?

SPEAKER_01 27:33

Well in my personal opinion on this and my own in my own um uh experience that many of the answers uh that we're looking for will come from the area of quantum physics that much of these phenomena are quantum phenomena and I need to explain that just a little bit the very basic um the very basic um excuse me the very basic phenomena and attributes that are involved are called uh entanglement, coherence non-locality and resonance and uh these are quantum phenomena of quantum information uh and long believed for most of the twentieth century to be the reserve and the preserve of uh of quantum physicists who were only looking at the subatomic matter. And as it turns out uh it really and it's been believed for all that time that um uh such um phenomena really didn't have much to do with our scale size of things uh uh the size of ma uh macro-scale matter but really only pertain to subatomic matter and that's just dead wrong it's not true and we have started in the last few years to see exactly how many of the attributes of our bio nature and our mental nature and our consciousness nature or even our spiritual nature are quantum effects. And to me that uh that may not be the final answer but it's certainly a um area of investigation that has to be explored far more thoroughly before we can even get begin to get to a final answer.

SPEAKER_00 29:35

You know I recently interviewed Dr. Sally Ryan Feather who is the daughter of JV Ryan I know her quite well okay and and her co-author Michael Schmicker and uh they were saying there is just overwhelming evidence in the laboratory for the existence of ESP yet the general public still doesn't uh under understand and appreciate that. And what do you think is this barrier that we have between the proof that has already been established in the laboratory and uh affecting the general mindset of the public?

SPEAKER_01 30:09

Well the real problem has always been lack of a mechanism that confirms how this could happen. And it certainly cannot be explained in classical physics but it can be explained in quantum physics and we now understand the information mechanism um by which it works and it's called quantum biology. It's um the fact that at the fundamental quantum level of matter that matter is emitting and reabsorbing photons of energy continuously and a colleague of ours in Europe a particular gentleman professor by the name of uh Professor Walter Schemp at the University of Sagen in Germany almost ten years ago um while working with MRI machines and trying to provide and prove the specificity of MRI machines discovered the quantum hologram and what that really means is uh is that he was studying the emissions from matter uh particularly things he was trying to do get MRI pictures out and started using group phenomena in his mathematics group group analysis in his mathematics instead of just uh the mathematics of particles and waves and so forth let me explain a little bit what that means if you take a look at your fingertip if you look at one of the swirls or the ridges on your finger it doesn't tell you much about yourself but if you look at the swirls on all ten fingers put together that's called your fingerprint and it uniquely identifies you what Dr. Schemp discovered is if you studied the group emissions uh from any bit of matter it carried the images and the uh the uh information unique information about that matter and if you assidiously apply that to the concept of uh many of the concepts of of uh psychic information it's been well demonstrated for many years now 25 or 30 years that psychic information is non-local or quantum information non-local information is a quantum term and that's been known for some time so suddenly we have an information mechanism in nature called quantum bolography that very amply and completely explains all of these types of non-local quote psychic information and for illustration we are c we c and call our intuitive faculties our sixth sense well we shouldn't it should be called our first sense because it came along long before our five other senses and is involved in the organization of matter in all planetary environments. It's a very fundamental information characteristic that's just now becoming recognized in science and what Dr. Schimp's discovery helped us realize is that information at this level is as important as energy itself and that we live in a universe that uses and utilizes its information which makes it a very intelligent universe that we live in. And I have a saying that's come out of my work and all of this type of work that describes the universe as a self-organizing intelligent learning creating trial and error participatory interactive non-locally interconnected evolutionary system and that's the type of universe we live in.

SPEAKER_00 34:21

Well very well stated and very insightful as well and I wonder do you think that people are evolving to become more or less psychic as time goes on?

SPEAKER_01 34:33

No understanding of this is evolutionary and I'm convinced that the transcendent experience which I've previously said to you is uh has been around for centuries and millennia in limited amount but that we're evolving uh that the species is evolving toward more and more of the transcendent experience in other words learning the trend experience transcendent experience really means getting out of ego getting beyond the ego state of perception and I think that is an evolutionary path.

SPEAKER_00 35:09

I wish I had more evidence to support that well now when it comes to all of the different uh disciplines of science that you've studied what do you think are the chances that we can indeed extract free energy from the vacuum? Well there's an enormous amount of work going on in that area right now and um uh certainly uh all quantum physicists are come to accept that in uh are either accepting or about to accept or will accept in the due course that in each cubic centimeter of space there's uh enough residual energy to to create the entire universe and we have a lot to do in order to reliably uh learn how to extract that we have so far it's been very limited we have to my knowledge uh no real or so-called over unity devices of any significance in other words it can produce more energy than uh it uh requires to operate them but there are many who have gotten close to that and uh I think it's a very uh very important area for the future frankly and of course that may give us some insight into how some of these UFOs function I suppose absolutely and you know for for people who want to go out and investigate UFOs who want to see if that light in the sky might be something extraordinary are there any tools or techniques that you would recommend to a person who wants to have firsthand research experience?

SPEAKER_01 36:52

Well there's a lot in the literature I would recommend that those who are really interested there are some some very good books and some very fine research people there's also some stuff that's um pretty fringy and there's a because of the cover up phenomenon there's is about as much disinformation out there as there is good information. So it takes a lot of work and discrimination to really sort the wheat from the chat and start to um understand a little bit of what's really going on. Some of the work um that Dr. Ryan um doctor Dr. Wood and his son Ryan I'm blocking on his first name have done with uh regard to forensic study of the early documents is quite impressive and um I I would recommend uh serious research people and dig into the literature and uh you'll be able to sort sort out fairly quickly what is uh some pretty good stuff.

SPEAKER_00 37:56

You know a lot of people in the general public have this idea that a guy like yourself would be assassinated for talking about all these things that are secret. Do you think if the government did that that it would only confirm what you're saying of course you know that's the reason that's the reason pretty safe about it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:14

And uh yet I'm I'm sure also let's talk about government a little bit. Okay. You see uh in today's government and compartmentalization of black programs and uh compartmentalization in government most people in government ninety nine percent percent of people in government don't know anything more about any of this than you do or I do. In fact there's many mostly no less so we have to be careful when we use the word government uh there are a few people in very key positions that know what's going on and nobody else knows anything at all.

SPEAKER_00 38:50

Yeah and it's easy for us to just slap that big label government onto everything that we're absolutely and it's simply not correct. Right.

SPEAKER_01 38:58

Um and of course uh things are so compartmentalized anybody who knows something I'm sure only knows one little facet uh one oh yes yes there's very f there are very very few that really have a broad grasp of all of that.

SPEAKER_00 39:13

Yeah. Well how do you feel about um say the face on Mars for example is that just the brain making sense of a random uh form or something more insidious than that um I know the people involved at that pretty well and I have no real uh I don't have much uh empathy or agreement with all of that. So it's sort of like uh maybe seeing the man in the moon perhaps yeah or rabbits and clouds and so forth. Sure.

SPEAKER_01 39:46

Uh do you think that uh there are any structures on the moon that we don't know about well it's entirely possible but I know of none we pretty well photographed most of the moon I know of none that have been validated uh that uh have any validation at all so you know you mentioned uh the Roswell incident do you think that was a major turning point when it comes to our connection our contact yeah it's kind of the beginning DeRogel Ipson is kind of the beginning of the modern era in this I am convinced that now that we have been visited for a long long time there are very compelling painting going back to some of Michelangelo's work of uh UFOs and in the sky and some of his paintings at least they certainly look like that and I'm pretty sure they haven't been added in in recent years so um there's there is some evidence now that we uh that I I will accept that now that we have been uh we see the modern evidence and have some of us at least who have been investigating this uh are very confident that uh we have been visited then that gives some credence to the fact that when we go back to these ancient texts and ancient pictures and see things like what Michelangelo uh painted uh we can we can say hey they were here then too yeah yeah some of those are absolutely compelling um well you know for more than thirty years I'm sure everybody's been asking you what's it like to be on the moon?

SPEAKER_00 41:31

What's it like to be on the moon? But really what do you think would surprise people most about the experience of traveling there, walking on the moon, the whole situation what do people not expect that you could pass along that would be perhaps insightful well I don't know about that.

SPEAKER_01 41:48

I mean I think we have talked about it we've explored it and uh expressed it uh quite openly most of us and so it's just a matter of uh getting it out into the schools getting it in there's a lot of information our astronaut scholarship fund which uh the uh Mercury 7 astronauts uh originated and those of us who came a bit later have followed on with and are part of we're doing our best to help um educate young people get them uh um get them more involved in uh being ex excited about space and uh exploration and uh I have to admit uh it gives me pause when I stop to think that over half the people alive today weren't born when I went to the moon yeah and that uh gets I have to come up short when I think about that and so we are ancient history as opposed to anything in the experience of most of the people alive.

SPEAKER_00 42:52

So we have a big education problem on our heads did you know a a NASA engineer named Charles Yost that name rings a bell but I can't quite pull it together right now. Uh he uh just passed away last March and I knew him probably Okay I think I heard I heard that but I can't I still can't pull in where I knew him. Yeah he actually was one of the inventors of Tempropedic foam there and ended up in the NASA Hall of Fame for that work and went on to create a company called Dynamic Systems and an Electric Spacecraft journal uh here in Western North Carolina and uh did a lot of research regarding uh new types of designs for spacecraft. Do you have any visions as as far as what the the next type of craft will be after the shuttles are out of commission?

SPEAKER_01 43:45

Well yes uh let me put it try to put it in context I have no doubt that we will go back to the moon I have no doubt that we will go on to Mars. I have no doubt that we will explore Deeply into our solar system with manned craft in due course. How soon that will be, uh, I don't know. But I will put it in this context. When we go to Mars and look back at Earth and see this tiny little speck that represents Earth, it would sound a bit foolish to say I came from the United States or France or Germany or Russia or Israel or Britain or wherever. No, we came from Earth. And we're not ready to do that yet.

unknown 44:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:35

And I don't know quite when we will be ready to do that. But um that is our destiny. I mean, if we can't continue to be a divided, uh warlike civilization. Sooner or later we have to come to our senses and realize that we have to cooperate for our betterment and our good. Better good. But we're not there yet. And now, when we do that, we will have to have spacecraft and systems quite different than we have now. But I'm I have written papers and been published in the Journal of Physics and other places that said we would uh likely do that before this end of this century that we're in, provided we don't destroy ourselves in the process by being stupid. And um I think there's a finite risk that we might uh destroy ourselves. But I happen to hope and not believe that um we will come to our senses um manage these crises that we're in and get on with it, get on with the business of creating a civilization that uh we can somewhat be proud of.

SPEAKER_00 45:48

Those are certainly some profound thoughts that hopefully everyone will reflect on, the implications there being very wide. And you know, Dr. Edgar Mitchell, we are out of time. I could talk to you all night long, so it's easy to see why you have such a demanding schedule. But thank you for all you've done and continue to do to press forward our understanding of the universe, and I especially appreciate you taking the time to honor us with your insight and be my guest tonight.

SPEAKER_01 46:20

Okay, thank you, Josh, and good talk to you.

SPEAKER_00 46:22

Absolutely. Well, that was Dr. Edgar Mitchell, the sixth man to walk on the moon, and uh altogether there have been only twelve. You can visit his website at edmitchelapolo14.com. That again is www.edmitchelapolo14.com. All right, Dr. Mitchell, um, I should have asked you this earlier, but I saw that we were running out of time. Is there anything else that you would like for me to to mention aside from your website for listeners?

SPEAKER_01 46:52

Well, you might be able to you might mention the new edict website also.

SPEAKER_00 46:56

Okay, and what's that?

SPEAKER_01 46:57

Newetic.org.

SPEAKER_00 46:58

Okay, newedic.org. We will make sure we'll have those uh linked up on our website and we'll do everything to get the word out about those as well. Uh, you know, you're a fascinating man, and uh, you know, it's it's so exciting to to have you here as a guest on the program, and you know, if there's ever any way that uh I can be helpful, you know, getting the word out or promoting anything that you have, uh it'd be my pleasure to do so.

SPEAKER_01 47:23

Thank you very much, Josh. Pleasure working with you.

SPEAKER_00 47:25

Yes, absolutely, and uh I'm very happy to hear that you're back in good health, sir.

SPEAKER_01 47:30

I am I'm certainly back in good health, so hopefully I'll be strong enough to resume all my schedule here in the next few weeks.

SPEAKER_00 47:37

All right.

SPEAKER_01 47:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 47:38

All right, thank you. Bye bye.