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Hello, I am Joshua P. Warren, and this is Joshua P. Warren Daly. It has been a whirlwind of action. You know, starting with the research out in the desert looking for anomalies, and then getting the coverage from Fox 5 about the space-time warp. And now I have other major media appearances coming up, and uh I don't like talking about those things again in advance, so I will tell you after they're done. But um I want to let you know that ninety-eight percent of the feedback that I have been getting regarding this topic and this research has been incredibly positive. Um just, I mean, people writing from all over the world saying this is fascinating. Um, you know, please keep this up. Let's see where this goes. You know, this is the kind of thing that a logical person would say. But I want to devote this podcast to that very tiny, tiny sliver of messages I've gotten from critics. And I think it's important to do this because um you may be experiencing the same thing yourself if you're into exploration or paranormal research. And and I want to tell you uh how to deal with this sort of thing. Because I got um a very in-depth email from one guy telling me that I am in league with the devil, and I mean literally, and you can tell this guy is serious, and he and he wrote, you know, a rational email. This wasn't some kind of rambling maniacal thing. He wrote me a very rational, uh, thoughtful, you know, thoughtfully formed email saying, you are in league with the devil, you are evil, and um I mean it just it's kind of amazing to think that here we are in the year 2018, and there are people who would believe that sort of thing. And then of course I've gotten those comments from people who say, Oh, you're not a scientist, you're just pretending to be a scientist, you're a pseudoscientist, and I can't believe they're even giving you coverage for this, and all you have is one reading, and you're you know. And you know, I've been in the media since I was a teenager, and no matter what I've talked about, if it's uh well, I guess it really doesn't matter what you talk about, but I was gonna say, in my case, especially what we're talking about ghosts, people would say, ah, this guy, they'd say either this guy's evil, or it because he believes that there's ghosts out there, or this guy is crazy, or this guy is uh a charlatan or con man, or you know, they come up with whatever they can. And uh so it doesn't matter if you're talking about ghosts or UFOs or psychic phenomena, um magic. I mean, there are always going to be people out there who are going to say some nasty things, and they believe in what they're saying. Uh in fact, uh I I I was just you know indicating that the truth is it doesn't really matter what the subject is, though, does it? I mean, you could be talking about whether or not the sky is blue and there's somebody who's going to come out and argue that with you. Uh that's why it'd be so hard to be a politician. I just can't imagine the the the pent-up ball of anger that every politician must have by being just subjected to such brutal criticism on a daily basis. And um so what I want to point out though is that look, when these people uh send me something negative or they make a negative post on the internet somewhere, um yeah, my initial instinct is to want to respond. Because naturally I am a fighter and a debater, and I think that anybody who says that what I'm up to here is um is bad somehow for research, I think that they are the problem and they understand that they accuse me of you know maybe conducting poor science, but I say you know nothing about science if you don't have the humility to appreciate that there is so much unknown out there that uh we need all hands on deck here to go out and try to scrape together whatever data we can to learn new things. And by the way, who the hell are you and what have you done lately? You know, I haven't seen you out in the desert with trying to do anything. So, I mean that's the biggest thing. It's like hold the mirror up to yourself and um and you know tell me what what what makes you such a wise person that you can demean this research. But here is is why I think I should point this out, because look, for one thing, I I can't always go out there and write what I want to and defend myself properly, and and here's why. I mean I'd love to go tit for tat with some of these uh crazy critics, but um if somebody sends me a nasty message and I post that publicly, uh nobody really cares. But if I were to sit down and write a nasty message back, and then that person posted it publicly, well, people would care because I actually have an audience and people who do, you know, want to pay attention to the work that I'm I'm doing. And so uh it's frustrating. It's frustrating because yeah, there are times where I sit down and I get in the mood and I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna take the next five minutes and tear this person a new asshole because they sent me the but I don't I can't do it. I can't do it. So I just get on my podcast here. And um but aside from from personal issues, here is here is the big problem with this mentality from a research standpoint. Um what if now, you know, I I told the story the other day, I love this story, but the story about Benjamin Franklin discovering the Gulf Stream, okay? Benjamin Franklin would he found it would take two weeks longer to get back from Europe than it would take to get to Europe, and nobody knew why, and so he started dipping uh empty wine bottles into the Atlantic Ocean and taking the temperature, and then over time he would plot the points, and then finally those points uh emerged into a design which became the Gulf Stream, which he discovered. Now what if when Benjamin Franklin had taken his first measurement and found that the water was a little warmer in one spot, if he had said, Huh, this is interesting, I just took my uh first measurement and the water's warmer here. What if everybody had said Fuck you, Benjamin Franklin? Fuck you Who you're not a scientist, you can't take a temperature measurement. Stop pretending that you're you know what you're doing. Get out of here, you know. Well, if everybody had said that and he'd taken it to heart, well guess what? He might have stopped. And if he had stopped and he had not continued taking those measurements, then we might have learned about the Gulf Stream much, much later than we did, and that would have affected the flow of goods and merchant ships, which has a big chain reaction effect, and history could be different, right? So I know for a fact for a fact that there are very smart um people who have great clear minds, who have wonderful curiosity, who could contribute a lot to the field of well, just exploration, you know, people who have the time and the passion and the interest to get out there on the fringes and do things that most people don't or won't do, who uh who don't do it because they were so intimidated by that initial wave of criticism. Or if they do it, they just keep their results private, they keep it to themselves. I had a phone conversation just three days ago with somebody, I won't say who he is, a guy that I believe is a great explorer, a great researcher, and he has stopped sharing his results with the world in in large part because of this issue, because of that fringe of just, you know, jerks out there who will who will use whatever means they can uh to try to to say nasty things to you, whether it's something spiritual or uh it is something of uh well what they think is some kind of logical debate or whatever it is. So look, I know that uh life is what it is, and I know that whatever happens, that there will be uh criticism. And I consider that in general to be a good thing, because we always need to check ourselves and make sure nobody runs amok. The problem is, however, that the internet these days has become uh I would say easily 90% nastiness and insults and people tearing each other down. And that's very sad because I know that's not a reflection of reality, that when you get out in the world and I've traveled all over the world and I've met many, many people, and I'm a very social guy. Um I'm telling you, most people I've met in my entire life are very, very nice people, and they would never say these kinds of things to you if they meet you and they they get to know you, and you know, I mean it's like people are pretty cool and they at least have some kind of common courtesy and common decency. But for some reason, people get on the internet and all that goes out the window. And it does and I'm not just talking about some, you know, low life, I'm talking about you have people who, I'm sure, have graduated from an esteemed college and have an esteemed degree and all this sort of thing, and they actually think they understand enough about the world that they themselves are some kind of divine being. Uh I d I think that uh most of the people out there who believe in science as if it's some kind of a religion, um have no idea what science is. Because again, all science is is a method of exploration. And furthermore, there may be other methods of exploration that are more effective that we don't even know about. And so um wherever the person's coming from, uh whether it's somebody who can speak eloquently and comes from a good background and has a PhD in this or that or the other, or if it's just some you know person off uh the side of the road here who doesn't uh necessarily have anything of substance in terms of a degree or whatever, it doesn't matter because it's really about humility, understanding that you are just a mere human, that you are a creation, and that as a creation you have to acknowledge that the what the creator, whatever created us, and you can define that however you want to. I'm not saying it's a big guy in the sky with a beard, but whatever created us is always going to be superior to us. And so there is so much unknown, there is so much to be explored that we need every capable mind to come out and explore these things. And so if you are a person who has a capable mind and a great curiosity, and you are in a position to learn something new or to go out and discover something new, do it. And don't let these jerks out there intimidate you, especially the ones on the internet. And if you see somebody who's doing that kind of work, then it is your responsibility, I believe, for you to support that person. And what I'm talking about is every time you see a negative comment left on an article, you should go in and you should write a positive comment. Take the initiative that these uh critics do. You know, take the same initiative and support those researchers that I know are out there that I know exist that do not want to share what they're finding because they don't want to get into this uh exhaustive effort of having to constantly defend everything when you know the purpose is to to find something and to share it. And i look, if I tell you that there's a pink elephant over here and you look and you don't see a pink elephant over there, how how harmful is that to you, really? Like how big of a deal call okay, you can say I'm crazy or whatever. But why why does it why does it bother you? You know? If you don't get what I'm talking about, then uh I don't see why that it should be an issue because there are things that uh everybody is able to to understand based upon opportunity and uh based upon mindset. Each one of us has things we can understand that that other people can't understand. And so you should never look at people that you don't understand and uh somehow uh d dislike them for it, right? Unless it crosses some very serious uh humanitarian lines. And so, in my opinion, um if we are to really get the most rich, rewarding experience out of life, knowing everything out there that is possible to know, then we have to all work together to enthusiastically support and endorse and motivate and and and publicly hail people who are doing something. Doing something trying to get a little bit closer to an interesting answer or some new interesting data. And uh it's a shame to think that sometimes these uh these nasty people on the internet end up um taking up about ninety percent of the real estate on the internet when that in fact is not at all how real people think. So again, I share this with you for two reasons. Number one, um I don't want you to worry if you're a researcher and you're getting some criticism, don't let that stop you. And number two, we want to spread that message so that everybody else out there who's doing some good research realizes that you don't have to be afraid. You don't have to be afraid to come out with your research. Um there may be people who will criticize you for it, but there's gonna be a hell of a lot of us who will also praise you for it, and that's where you have to keep your focus. So hope hopefully that'll uh you know help get some some research out there that otherwise might not be out there. Don't feel alone. I'm with you. Alright, my friends, uh, I think that's gonna do it for today's podcast. There's a lot to talk about in upcoming podcast this week. This podcast is always short, it's always free. It's called Joshua P. Warren Daily, and if you go to joshua p.m., joshuapewarren.com, you'll find a link to the podcast. You can subscribe through various means or follow me on Twitter at Joshua P. Warren, and I will tweet when a new one is available. All right, so uh hey, thank you for listening. Thank you for your support, thank you for staying curious, and I will talk to you again soon.