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January 18, 2019 Season 2 Episode 48
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Jan 18, 2019 Season 2 Episode 48
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Roman Light Visionary of the French Yellow Vest Movement on the Crypto Clothesline

This first week of season two is a showstopper comprising of two episodes interviewing the trailblazers behind the Yellow Vest Movements (YVM) in both France and Australia. Roman Light, the visionary behind the French YVM reports on the motives behind the movement and the current volatile situation in France. The peaceful French YVM protestors began their campaign in just weeks ago in November 2018.  The mainstream media was quick to sensor and distort the demonstrations to the rest of the world making it difficult for many of us on the outside to hear the reality of what was happening on the ground….. Until now.

Roman describes the injuries and deaths as a result of force from the government with nine deaths to date and hundreds wounded.  “French people, citizens have decided to go against the government and the government is killing them. Literally the world doesn't talk about it.”  He said.  With the YVM heating up Roman remains separated from his family for their own protection and to continue his work spreading the message of the movement. 

When asked how the movement was going to make the change resulting in their political freedoms Roman explained “We have a constitutional right to trigger a national referendum from our own initiatives. This is a revolution. It's a true revolution. And the people in place, the power in place will never let this happen.”  The Citizens Initiated Referendums (CIR) are a constitutional right according to Roman and will allow the French population an opportunity  to suggest their own laws that could vote on, theoretically bypassing the French parliament. 

In a further twist, the CIR (OR RIC in France) would have a multitude of other functions including the ability to repeal existing laws and amendments to the constitution. Cryptocurrency and Blockchain were key topics in the interview with blockchain technology being the vital component in the intended decentralised, encrypted and secure voting application.   Roman explains that “You have a political party in Australia that is called the flux movement. The flux movement allows you to vote on your own laws directly on your phone through an app. “and according to Roman Flux is based on the technology called the secure votes blockchain application “Basically every time people vote, the information is on the blockchain so no one can deny the existence of that vote, which will remove the corruption aspect of the political way.”  He said. 

Roman is spearheading this movement that has launched in over 25 countries in just 6 weeks (Australia being one of them) however all the communication, news and media are conducted n Facebook. When asked about how he will secure the communication within the group Roman explained that due to the majority of communication being on Facebook, the risk is great.  As such he revealed his relationship with some blockchain developers and fellow international YVM leaders who are working together to find or build a Facebook alternative. Some of these include Ivan Jasenovic from the dHealth Network a blockchain based platform for health records and Mike Holt from the Australian YVM.

As a supporting and bonus episode we include the complete conversation with Australian YVM leader Mike Holt who sheds light on the movement in Australia and the principals, goals and reasons behind the Australian YVM. You can hear the full interview with Mike Holt here.

To find out more about the French YVM you can head to the Facebook Page or message Roman Light directly through Facebook.  

Show Notes Transcript

Roman Light Visionary of the French Yellow Vest Movement on the Crypto Clothesline

This first week of season two is a showstopper comprising of two episodes interviewing the trailblazers behind the Yellow Vest Movements (YVM) in both France and Australia. Roman Light, the visionary behind the French YVM reports on the motives behind the movement and the current volatile situation in France. The peaceful French YVM protestors began their campaign in just weeks ago in November 2018.  The mainstream media was quick to sensor and distort the demonstrations to the rest of the world making it difficult for many of us on the outside to hear the reality of what was happening on the ground….. Until now.

Roman describes the injuries and deaths as a result of force from the government with nine deaths to date and hundreds wounded.  “French people, citizens have decided to go against the government and the government is killing them. Literally the world doesn't talk about it.”  He said.  With the YVM heating up Roman remains separated from his family for their own protection and to continue his work spreading the message of the movement. 

When asked how the movement was going to make the change resulting in their political freedoms Roman explained “We have a constitutional right to trigger a national referendum from our own initiatives. This is a revolution. It's a true revolution. And the people in place, the power in place will never let this happen.”  The Citizens Initiated Referendums (CIR) are a constitutional right according to Roman and will allow the French population an opportunity  to suggest their own laws that could vote on, theoretically bypassing the French parliament. 

In a further twist, the CIR (OR RIC in France) would have a multitude of other functions including the ability to repeal existing laws and amendments to the constitution. Cryptocurrency and Blockchain were key topics in the interview with blockchain technology being the vital component in the intended decentralised, encrypted and secure voting application.   Roman explains that “You have a political party in Australia that is called the flux movement. The flux movement allows you to vote on your own laws directly on your phone through an app. “and according to Roman Flux is based on the technology called the secure votes blockchain application “Basically every time people vote, the information is on the blockchain so no one can deny the existence of that vote, which will remove the corruption aspect of the political way.”  He said. 

Roman is spearheading this movement that has launched in over 25 countries in just 6 weeks (Australia being one of them) however all the communication, news and media are conducted n Facebook. When asked about how he will secure the communication within the group Roman explained that due to the majority of communication being on Facebook, the risk is great.  As such he revealed his relationship with some blockchain developers and fellow international YVM leaders who are working together to find or build a Facebook alternative. Some of these include Ivan Jasenovic from the dHealth Network a blockchain based platform for health records and Mike Holt from the Australian YVM.

As a supporting and bonus episode we include the complete conversation with Australian YVM leader Mike Holt who sheds light on the movement in Australia and the principals, goals and reasons behind the Australian YVM. You can hear the full interview with Mike Holt here.

To find out more about the French YVM you can head to the Facebook Page or message Roman Light directly through Facebook.  

Speaker 1:
0:00
Today on the critical design, we want to introduce you to Roman light, who is the leader of the French yellow vest movement, and he's probably not argue with us a little bit about putting the label of lead on him because it is said that the yellow vest movement has no leader, but we're just gonna put that on him lately and he can argue with us if he lives, but he's also a dad. He is a sovereignty warrior and a Crypto adopter. So welcome to the critique of clothesline Roman light.
Speaker 2:
0:32
Thank you very much for having me. Yeah, thank you Roman. It's wonderful to meet you.
Speaker 1:
0:36
Women in the world is paying attention to the lms movement. It's growing a lot and it has reached the Australian shores. Can you tell us what the lms movement is and how you got involved in it?
Speaker 2:
0:47
So yeah, it'd be
Speaker 3:
0:48
studied as, um, protect protestation against the government and all the power of your over friends. And yeah, it just ended up being the best opportunities that we had to. We connect to each other and get to know each other and just get out of our comfortable zone and that message started on the 17th of November and initially people didn't really know why they were out. They were just like so upset about. There was so many reasons why they were out that did. He didn't know that there was one common reason which was that we wanted to take out future back and take out this money back and I hear a lot of people across the world starting to take that yellow, this movement spirits, but they all have a political agendas. They will have a certain way to look at politics and fix the world in a way that he's, I believe, obsolete. And unfortunately now as the movement is a French and French people doesn't read, speak English. Not most of them. It's hard to being heard, but by the rest of the world because people can easily put whatever they want on that movement. So my role as I lived in Australia for the last six years is to use my, my English skill to spread that message and being sure that the original message is, is heard by the world and not just political left and political, right, which is common
Speaker 2:
2:06
and take hold of sort of saying that because of the lack of perhaps easy translation between the two languages and the fact that you don't have a common language in this case English, that people are adding their own political agenda onto the movement.
Speaker 3:
2:19
Yeah, exactly. Like, um, they, they don't understand that the universe movement is not just a movement based on um, yeah, people get going on the street then and protesting. It's not really that it's an insurrection. It's a revolution. People don't visualize what's going on. Like first of all, there's a huge sense of ship coming from facebook and mainstream media who are not showing the true reality of what's going on on the ground. We have debt, we have people who died that we have people who have been injured. Like we talk about both and 200 or 300 people injured. And it's not small engine, we talk about people losing an eye or having received flush belong on the jaw and having broken jaws and broken nose and coma and the violence from the cops and the police is going beyond international laws, but this is actually showing the double standard and the hypocrisy of United Nations and all those so called organization who are here to bring peace to the world, but we all know in the past that the way they let the western coalition invade Iraq and Libya and Syria was not to bring democracy in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 3:
3:21
It was actually to steal resources and allow a private agenda to be enforced on population. And when French people, citizens have decided to go against the government and the government is killing them. Literally the world doesn't talk about it. They just talk about, oh, it's just a knock. A few nutsy who are protesting outside. The difference between what's going on on the Terry, on the terrain and the information that is projecting the on the rest of the world is, is a remarkably wrong. And the rockabilly altered
Speaker 1:
3:52
right. I mean, can you give us some sort of idea as to how long do you think this movement might go on for and what is the yellow vests movement asking for in order to bring peace back to France?
Speaker 3:
4:03
Oh, for the pistol is simple. We want the government to to go out and we want a political parties to go out. We want to change the whole political system. We are fed up of being in system that is, I'm like 200, 300 years old and hasn't involved and we want something new to be put in place and that you think that we want is called the ric or ceo in Australia, like the citizen initiative referendum or referendum initiated by the citizen and we won't like a modern democracy and I believe that the crypto currency is the instrument that I, that is missing in our current world that will allow democracy to be really implemented into our society. So referendum initiated by the citizen is the simple idea that we are politically powerless. We are infants politically. We have the right to vote for our master's and our masters would decide our future for us, but we don't have the right to vote our own laws and this is not okay.
Speaker 3:
4:59
We need to come into the space today where people are not just voting for x factors or the next bachelor and they're going to start to get really politically involved and going to be able to vote for what they believe is the best for themselves, their family and their country. So the idea that, um, we could have a constitutional right to trigger a national referendum, which is the concept of the reference, the about the citizen, a constitutional right to trigger a national referendum from our own initiatives is a revolution. It's a true revolution. And the people in place, the power in place will never let this happen. So how long is it going to take for the people to take over they own government and get rid of them? I don't know. I can insert these, these question. I can only tell you that my plan is to bring that fire all over the world because the same people who are controlling friends, who are controlling euro, controlling America, who are controlling Australia, who controlling, I don't know about Asia, Asia think is a bit more complicated. We'll easily stop a movement that is just localized in France, but will really struggle to stop a movement that will just starting all over the world, so my job is to bring that id of that referendum initiated by the citizen all over the world so they will have a hard time stopping this Id.
Speaker 2:
6:17
Can you give us a really practical example of how cryptocurrency. You mentioned that it's the instrument that's missing to allow democracy to be implemented in our society. Can you give me a super practical example of how that might work?
Speaker 3:
6:29
Oh yeah. Of course. It's. It's very easy. You have a political party in Australia that is called the flux movement. The fluxus movement allow you to vote your own laws directly on your phone through an APP, and then this, this APP will be transferred to your representatives, so the people that you elected that is a part of your political party. So it's a mix between political party representative, political party and participative representation. So it's we are participating to the debate and instead of just electing people who are going to make the decision fitting their own agenda, we are electing people that will only be in place to apply what we've going to vote for them. So this flux movement is based on the technology called the secure votes blockchain application and basically every time that people are voting, the information is on the blockchain so no one can deny the existence of that vote, which will remove the corruption aspect of the political way. And in the meantime it's forcing the people in place to apply what they've been elected for because as soon as they will not apply what the people voted for, they will be rejected and someone else will have to do that job.
Speaker 2:
7:37
So that's, that's the blockchain, which has also the technology that backs up cryptocurrency, but how could bitcoin, for example, make a difference to where the dollar is now? Is it because the old regime, I'm calling it that for want of a better sort of generic term, but is it because that regime is no longer going to be
Speaker 3:
7:52
so. First of all, I don't believe that bitcoin should be used by governments. I think we should have a replacement of every local currency, let's say the American dollars or the Australian dollars or the French franc for example, and they should have a national currency. They should have a national frank that will basically be back by value. If today we could basically do the inventory of all the patrimony of, of a country, all the value, all the culture, all the potential of tourism, all the potential of the GDP, and we could have a conversation about those, those different points, but we could actually back the value of a currency based on something tangible and physical. I guess in a way the Australian and American dollars or the euro is good in a way because it's based on tangible things, but bad because it's centralized and controlled by entities who don't have our common interests as, as the only best way to work.
Speaker 3:
8:49
And the second point is that it's based on the fractional reserve and debt, which is basically a vicious circle that will bring the humanity down into the no go zone. So the whole idea is to bring more depth in the crypto world that my message is to, to bring that depth, uh, that, that is a, I believe missing today in the crypto world. And we see today the crypto market completely falling off because he has been hijacked by the people that he plays. The power in place. Uh, I believe this is my own theory. And uh, and the only way to get out of that is not to fight them, is to actually bring the fire into their own system, is to actually destroy the system from inside, by giving back the power to the people. Because as soon as you could give the power back to the people through the referendum initiated by the citizen, we could allow the people to take the control back, create their own currency, alternative currency based on physical things, and then spread that message to the rest of the world.
Speaker 1:
9:44
So room and on the same stream of the cryptic currency thread. One of the things that I know you're probably going to say it's all bs, but one of the things that we have seen over here in Australia is some news articles saying that the French are about to do a bank run or the people who are listening have since heard that the French have done a bank run, but that they will be exchanging 20 percent of their fee at currency for cryptocurrency currency. We also see that, you know, there's some yellow vistas who were wearing by bitcoin on the back of their yellow vests and to the outside world. It does appear because it had. The media is portraying it, that the yellow vest movement has a slight grain of cryptocurrency going through it. Can you tell us if there's any truth to this?
Speaker 3:
10:37
The idea was basically to do yesterday, so to go to the bank and the remove as much money as you can from the bank to um, create a little bit of discord into the plan in our own personal analyzer use. I don't think it's gonna have a huge impact in the first one is that first bank and most people doesn't even know that most French bank blocking a withdraw Shapiro to 500 euros per week. So you can't withdraw more than 500 euros per week. So even if thousands of people are removing their money, like, yeah, I know it sounds a bit crazy, but we are not free to do what we want with our money. This is the level of corruption we've been through. So I don't think we're going to hurt them. I don't think we're going to hurt them that much through that space.
Speaker 3:
11:21
The truth is that it's not about one solution. Like the idea is, as I said, to set a whole house on fire. We are facing very powerful fireman who can stop a small flame, but as soon as you stunning to turn that flame all across the house, like if you're attacking the castle from the left, the right, the up, the down, the inside, the out, that's when they're going to go in panic mode and this is what we seen. Friends, they going panic mode by attacking their own citizen, but beating ups, peaceful protesters, children, old people, young people, everyone even posted yesterday, a young guy, 15 years old, was doing some shopping, get out of the shopping in Paris and got two bullets in his jaw and how the hole in his jaw, and this is happening in France, 2019, just getting out from shopping and people doesn't hear about that because the media are controlled.
Speaker 3:
12:10
So with the referendum initiated by the citizen, first thing to do, we ask the independence of the media. We asked the nationalization of the media. We do not allow corruption to go into the information because those control inflammation control people's mind. We can change the whole system from inside out, but without that referendum mistreated. But citizen, we are electing people to do that job and those people have been elected by others who have a different agenda, like the globalized elite who wants to impose that you would order like they couldn't care less about about a a, a love of the land. I was talking yesterday to a guy and he was like, oh, the French people are on Nazi. And I say, why do you think that? Oh, because they want to protect their country. And I say, which level of indoctrination brought your brain to associate?
Speaker 3:
12:57
The love of your country, the law of your land, the love of your culture, the love of your ancestors to being so hateful against yourself, like which level of craziness puts you to believe that when you love United Nation, you are Nazi. Like Nazis were imperialists. They are not nationalists. They were racist. They will not nationalists, they love the nation of course, because this isn't something natural, but they wanted to bring the nation outside of the boundaries were like when you just love donation, that's fine. Like you just love your nation. You just want to be sure that the people who are going to come to your place are going to respect the place that you're in. That's it. It's not. It's not fascists. Fascism is when, when you love your, your country so much that you want to export it. This is not natural. This is not normal.
Speaker 3:
13:42
When you love your country, you're just happy where you are. That's it, and you don't don't want to go out and Nazi is going way beyond because he was putting a level into the race, which is a whole different story, has nothing to do with the land. It has nothing to do with the frontier, the culture, the language, the history has nothing to do with all that, but today people are so brainwashed that they don't even think. They just like. We keep words like, oh, you fascists. If you don't think like me, you're a fascist. That's it. They don't think, and the second reason why I don't believe that this going to be the way you thought about Bitcoin is that French people doesn't speak a lot of English, so therefore they don't have access to right information. France is probably one of the top five corrupted country in the world in term of a website censorship, so we don't have access to the information here so they don't know about the existence of bitcoin except that it's something that was not used by hackers and pedophile in the dark web blahblahblah.
Speaker 3:
14:36
So there's a mix of a lot of misinformation combined with fear, like always. So people don't really know what bitcoin is, so therefore they will not put their money in bitcoin. He doesn't know what it is. And the third point is that they cannot really use bitcoin because there's not much ways to exchange it because the system has refused in many times in many ways to have like withdraw cash. A bitcoin for euros because of European Union have absolutely no interest having bitcoin as a competitor to the you can currency. So what I'm saying is that fighting for Bitcoin is great and supporting bitcoin is great, but bitcoin was just the first initiative like we need to move on to the next level, which she is having national currencies as long as we have the control of our own nation and so you know where you're going to get the control of our own nation and the people we're getting power and we would be able to stop, um, the, the, the corrupted people to be in place. Like I don't believe cryptocurrency will have in the future that that's my buddy.
Speaker 1:
15:35
So Roman, the, the yellow vest movement in France is massive, but we also know that it's spreading and that is the intention. We can see it here in Australia. We have a little interview at the end of this episode with my Holt, the visionary behind the Australian yellow vest movement that our listeners can have a listen to. And also another full interview with, with my quote, if anyone wants to have a listen to that and then that'll be on our website as well. But how far has the lms movement spread with respect to the rest of the world? So what is everyone else doing in other countries?
Speaker 3:
16:11
It's hard to say. How many countries are today using the yellow vest? I'm. I can only speak about my own experience. I'm contacted by probably at least 25 countries including say Finland, Sweden, Ireland, England, Portugal, Spain, Italy, America. Anyway, like there's many countries that I'm in contact with the movement on his study eight weeks ago. So it's only two months just to give you a number in regards to the referendum initiative, but the citizen when I first started because I studied that, that movement like that id since probably six or eight years now. And it's obviously something that's promoted in my mind, the rubber vacation, like getting control of the immigration or getting access to control to the health policies and stuff like that is obviously important. But if you don't have a constitutional tool that will allow you to take the decision by yourself, you're still begging for the power.
Speaker 3:
17:05
So the ID is to stop playing that stupid game of asking to be listen and basically take that power back and make the decision ourselves. So considering that I only studied one months ago, four weeks ago, it's a pretty huge advanced compared to what I was even thinking. Like when I made my first video I was completely unknown and suddenly after just a few days the view has been seen but half a million people. And I was like Whoa, what's happening? And some of yesterday I was starting to receive hundreds of messages every day and I wasn't prepared for that. So I struggled a little bit. The video has been seen by I think 900,000 because facebook blocked immediately. The spreading of of it, it has been seen by 700,000 people in 10 and then by 100,000 the three weeks after. So it doesn't really make sense. But that's, that's obviously what facebook is spelled. And My facebook group is only 5,000 people followers and I would just receive about 100 likes per video, which means that it's 10 percent of 10 percent of 10 percent that, that he's going out,
Speaker 1:
18:10
you know, being in the crypto space for so long. And recently, I mean I've only had a facebook account for a little while, so not very long, but my experience of being banned, my account blocked, I don't have an ability to use any sort of ad posting facilities. So my understanding is that facebook and the belief of many people around the world is it facebook is a really controlling, manipulative, the centralized and discriminatory platform. Yet a lot of the communication for the yellow vests movement is happening on facebook. And I'm quite worried that all facebook needs to do is simply closed down the yellow vest group pages. Is there something that perhaps you might be working on to move away from facebook?
Speaker 3:
18:59
Uh, so this is something also, this is an issue we need to address. And again, this is an issue that the crypto world could a good soul by having alternative media with no filters and no bots and no corruption there. The could, uh, that could do a huge work and I'm actually participating through that by connecting people from all over the world, uh, like blockchain specialist with an alternative media specialist. We are trying to create an alternative facebook platform with no censorship at that will be a country based. So there would be like a facebook per country. Why? Because the social network needs to prioritize Lee be used by the people in their country, especially in that historical moments of, of empower mental, the population. So yeah, we're like that. That should be the kind of support we should receive from the crypto community instead of fighting for solutions that will not be implemented because the economy's control by, by those people, we should actually focus on how we can remove the power from those people to be able to get access to that and implement the solution after that. That's the way I see things answered.
Speaker 1:
20:04
So are there any applications I can correct it. Applications that you looked into because what I use a lot particularly for private conversations is telegram and it's really good because you can even have conversation that disappear after about an hour really handy in some situations. So are there any other applications that you might be looking into that could help with the communication within the yellow vest movement?
Speaker 3:
20:32
Which one? I don't know. I would much prefer one that would be entirely controlled by, by us. Uh, and a free open source. And there's actually something that is already happening that now Mike and another friend of mine, Ivan, the thing that you know as well,
Speaker 2:
20:49
I haven't the systems architect for the health network.
Speaker 3:
20:52
Yep. So he's. Both of them are working to collaborate with the man who created that alternate to use facebook platform to put it on the block chain. So maybe soon we're going to have a facebook on the block chain. When I say facebook, it's facebook interface on the blockchain with even more option that facebook itself. So that dream is not that far away from us. We only need now support a program of support and people who understand how important this is and how this could be the beginning of, of the new reality. I don't know how long it's going to take, but uh, when I see people ready to die to change the system, it tells me a lot.
Speaker 2:
21:30
Wow. Roman, have you heard about bit backer dot? I mean, I know it's not exactly like a facebook in the sense of doing live videos and things, but it is been suggested as an alternative to Patriot in the sense that you can receive cryptocurrency and it seems to have a lot less control.
Speaker 3:
21:47
To be honest with you. I'm so overwhelmed with everything I have to do. I'm like, I don't have much time to do some tests. I need to have people who are going to make sure that I'm checking something. It's gonna be really something that's gonna make save us time because if it's just to reinvent the wheel again and being sure that the people behind a good intention and the right people, like I'm much better just reinvent the wheel. Again.
Speaker 2:
22:11
Roman, I just was interested to know and I did miss out some of the conversation because I'm in the country and my internet dropped out a number of times, but are you, you, you said that you've been living in Australia for the last six years. Are you currently here or are you back in front?
Speaker 3:
22:22
No, funny enough I was in France for holidays and the agenda changed and synchronistically. I had to stay here for whatever reason and now I'm starting to see why I had to stay here and here I am, so no, I'm, I'm, I mean friends, but my wife and my daughters are Australian and actually go couldn't and come back tomorrow. I'm back in Sydney and yeah, it's gonna be hard for me to be separated from them but I feel better for them to be safe on the other side of the world comes here like we don't know how things are going to move. Like an insurrection is. I'm predictable movements, so when we are facing a government that is not wise at all and he's using force to create escalation like we don't know where this escalation will end, we know we're going to win. We just don't know how bad the path will will be.
Speaker 2:
23:14
Wow. That must be, you know, as a, as a father and a husband, that must be incredibly heart wrenching.
Speaker 3:
23:20
Yeah. Yes it is, but I'm not fighting for the future. Who Will? The people today are looking at their own life and if I'm not doing what I'm doing today, what will happen in the future is that my daughters will look at me and say, okay, you gave us that, that reality. What do you want us to do with it? What have you done before that could have changed that today. Now if my answer was, well, we'll be, oh, you know, I was busy paying the rank, but I was busy feeding you and doing things like just being a slave in a system instead of trying to change the system, I will have miserably fail. So understand deeply how that system works and so therefore it's odd that responsibility to take the action and trying to inspire others to go out of their comfortable zone and to act because um, I don't know for you guys, but I was waiting for that movement for years and now that it's there, I'm like, wow, I cannot just hide myself and just go back and find it a simple job and just forget about all these because if we're missing that opportunity, we don't know when he's going to be the next one.
Speaker 2:
24:23
There's this interesting saying and it's so, so simple, but it's, once you've understood something or once you've seen something, you can't unsee it. You can't go back into the dark cave and just bury your head in the sand again.
Speaker 3:
24:35
Yeah, well, you can, you can unleash a cowards. And uh, unfortunately a lot of us human beings are cowards because it's, we've been trained to be cowards. We've been trained to be afraid of ourselves, to not knowing who we are, to not knowing how powerful we are, how, how amazing we are. And therefore we are afraid of reality because we think that reality is our enemy, like nature is our enemy. Immigrants are any, um, how, how people in power and our enemy, no in not we are on enemy. We are our own. Powerlessness is our own enemy out. Believe that we're powerless is our enemy. It's a belief. It's not, it's not true. It's a foggy. And because we trust that that fog and we trust that belief, we believe that we are not good enough, not strong enough, not clever enough, not powerful enough. And, and that's, that's a good excuse. That's all we need. We just need an excuse to stay home and don't do nothing that's old, that's old. That system forced us to become.
Speaker 2:
25:32
And it's an interesting thing because the system is forced to become that. It's almost like this imposed apathy and for people to really to wake up and overcome that apathy and create momentum where there is none. It's quite something to wake people up. I mean, I think by the looks of things, the fact that you said that you started in November and within a very short time you had a massive following that already indicates that that the world is fertile for this change and yet and yet when you're overcoming every day sort of. It's not stupidity. It's not this human beings of stupid, but it is very hard to move people when they're. When they're stuck in the mud.
Speaker 3:
26:08
Yeah, exactly. And don't listen to the media who are telling you that the movement is throwing down. It is not the case. The movement is actually increasing and increasing. So I don't know. It's really hard to have numbers so we don't know exactly how much we started with. We just were really surprised to have so many people outside, but the truth is that we have probably doubled those numbers in in two months. Yeah. The government is spraying as like cockroaches. The government is washing us with water. Like you should watch the videos that are posted on my facebook group. They're treating us like crap you. It's like yesterday I was laughing with a friend because I was like, it's like gremlins. The more they're going to spread water on that, as the more yellow vest are going to come, they don't understand this, so the more they're going to damage us, the more we're going to come back.
Speaker 3:
26:52
So thank you guys for being so and because for every every injured people, every woman injured old people, injured people that are putting jail for being peaceful protesters. We are. They are triggering a hate from the people and that is just growing and growing and I've already predicted that a month ago I said the point of no return has already been reached. We already reached a month ago the point of no return, so now we're going to win. Or are we going to destroy the country? That's it. That there will be no other way around because there's no point continuing living in, in a lying system when people are awake, that this is a whole lighting system because the people could believe that democracy is democracy as long as they thing that they ocracy is just having a peaceful and happy life, but as soon as you're starting to see the true face of democracy, which is agree with what we tell you to agree with, be a good slave. Pay Your tax. All you're going to. We're going to show you who we read out and now that they see and the soul, the real face of the, of the monster that there's gonna be no way back.
Speaker 1:
27:55
It's been amazing talking to you today, Roman. We understand that your time is really valuable, so thank you so much for coming on the show. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 3:
28:03
Thank you very much for having me. You're welcome. Bye. Bye.
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