Stronghold: Where Veteran Healing Meets Purpose

A former Navy SEAL with 10 trips to Afghanistan should have had an easy off-ramp into high-paying contractor work, but Todd Peters chose a different mission. After years of watching suicides stack up across his community, he founded Stronghold Alliance, a faith-based restoration nonprofit built to tackle veteran suicide prevention with urgency, humility, and real-world tools that veterans and first responders will actually use.

We talk through what many people miss about PTS and traumatic brain injury (TBI): these “invisible wounds” can hijack sleep, mood, focus, and family life, and they can make healing feel impossible even when you’re doing all the right things. Todd explains why Stronghold starts with the body and the brain using hyperbaric oxygen therapy, supplement support to reduce inflammation, and before-and-after NeuroQuant MRI scans that help prove something is wrong and show what is changing. Then we move into the mind and soul side of recovery: professional counseling pathways and weekly peer “rally points” where people can speak plainly, feel safe, and take the next right step without pretending they’re fine.

We also get specific about logistics and impact: what a full course of care costs (around $15,000), how Stronghold currently funds 100% for local participants, what eligibility looks like for veterans with a PTS or TBI diagnosis, and why commitment matters if you want results you can keep. Todd closes with why he’s stepping into a new senior advisor role on mental health and suicide prevention for the Navy and Marine Corps, because he’s tired of seeing the same stats every year.

If this conversation hits home, share it with a friend, visit strongholdalliance.org, and click “Stand With Us” to help fund treatment. Subscribe for more, leave a review, and tell us what kind of support makes the transition less lonely.

Transcript

Welcome And Guest Introduction

Larry Zilliox 0:00

Good morning. I'm your host, Larry Zilliox, Director of Culinary Services here at the Warrior Retreat at Bull Run. And this week our guest is Todd Peters. He is the founder and president of an organization called the Stronghold Alliance, which is a uh faith-based restoration nonprofit that helps veterans uh get medical treatment and help with their PTS and TBI. And he's a uh former Navy SEAL, 26 years, and 13 years as a pastor uh with uh McLean Bible Church. And so uh Todd, welcome to the podcast.

Todd Peters 0:39

It's good to be here, Larry. Thanks for having me.

Larry Zilliox 0:41

So, well, here's a question I always ask is if you could have joined the Air Force, why did you join the Navy?

Todd Peters 0:49

Good question. Well, way back in the mid-80s, there was some big terrorism, and uh a Navy diver was shot and thrown off a plane named Steedum.

Larry Zilliox 0:57

Yep.

Todd Peters 0:58

And I did a little research. You and

Why He Chose The SEALs

Todd Peters 1:00

I went to school before the internet, so microfish, I found one little paragraph about Navy SEALs, and it was like a shackleton ad, low pay, doubtful return, and recognition upon success. I was like, I'm in. And so that's what lured me to the Navy.

Larry Zilliox 1:13

Wow. And so you you signed up, you went in. Um now at that time you didn't enter as a a Navy SEAL. You what was your job gonna be? And then you got into the process of being a Navy SEAL.

Todd Peters 1:29

Good question. So I actually went in to be a Navy SEAL, so I just had to check all the boxes, and back then you had to become a rate in the Navy. Right. So of the 16 abbreviations they threw at me, the only one that made sense was Corman to have some medical knowledge. So I went San Diego boot camp, San Diego Corman School. Then I got to hang out with the Marines at Camp Pendleton until my Buds class started, that SEALs training.

Larry Zilliox 1:51

Right.

Todd Peters 1:52

And then away I went.

Larry Zilliox 1:53

Wow. Okay. And well, 26 years, that's a long time. And what's going on with you at that point that says, okay, I'm I'm in for 20. Uh, and then you get there and you say, Okay, 26, it's time to get out. What what what how did you get to that point in that decision?

Todd Peters 2:13

Yeah, that's a lot to unpack in a short amount of time. But I think along the way, I went in with the intent to stay for four. And I never had the ambition of making a career.

Larry Zilliox 2:21

Right.

Todd Peters 2:22

I mean, I was a youth pastor, my wife thought she married a youth pastor, and I I definitely uh threw her a curveball. Most of her family thought I worked at SeaWorld before all the books and the internet came out. And so that was fun. But every year, or every enlistment, I would check in with her and just say, I think we're good. And she's like, I think we're good. And so I realized also the pastor part of me, it was it was almost like my own mission field. And certainly that was a secondary thing, but I enjoyed the just yeah, to be able to be there to care for the brotherhood in a different way as a pastor. And as we kept going, we thought we were gonna retire in Kodiak, Alaska. I was teaching survival mountaineering up there. My wife loved it, my kids loved it. Uh, the church offered me to be the pastor there that we attended. And then uh even down south, they offered me to lead the SEAL detachment as a civilian, a GS job. On paper, it was perfect. And it just was a resounding no from God, and I couldn't explain it. And then uh got orders to come out here and work with a buddy in northern Virginia, and so did six more years. And uh, after my tenth trip to Afghanistan to answer your question, I felt like you know what, I'm I'm almost knocking on 50 and I'm getting tired. I think uh I'm done.

Larry Zilliox 3:31

Wow. So that's a long time kicking doors, man.

Todd Peters 3:34

Yeah, it I and it was it was neat to be a part of the team, to lead teams at that level, but at some point you realize too, you just gotta get out of the way because it's a young man's game. It really is. And I I was past the young man uh stage in that community at least. It's all relative to who you hang out with, right?

Larry Zilliox 3:50

I guess, I guess. Wow. Well, so you you separate, and how did that go for you?

Todd Peters 3:58

It actually went really well in that. Um, so I had uh significant job

How Four Years Became 26

Todd Peters 4:05

offers and I was excited about that. My wife was very excited. She started house shopping in Vienna, for those that aren't from around here. It was a really nice neighborhood. And uh, and then the day before I went to go shake hands with a business in Arlington, uh, the pastor of McLean Bible Church, Lon Solomon, called me up with Del Sutherland, who was the youth pastor, and said, Hey, we'd like you to take over the youth ministry. At home, on a legal pad, I had two circles. One, teach the Bible, and the second one, work with teenagers. And I felt like God was like, I call your bluff. And so I told my wife and we prayed about it. And then a week later I accepted the position. And then I said, I don't think we'll be living in Vienna. We're gonna need to go west. And so we headed west. And so the transition, the biggest thing that you and I know, uh, and for the men and women out there, transition is hard. It is, uh, but ultimately we all want purpose. And I knew what my purpose was gonna be. I came from a broken home, and so I care about teenagers. And uh sadly the odds in the church from coming from a broken home are the same as the world, so it's about 50%.

Larry Zilliox 5:04

Yeah.

Todd Peters 5:05

So right off the way, uh right off the bat, I sync up with half the kids there. Um so that's why I did that.

Larry Zilliox 5:11

Well, it's it's definitely a calling because I mean you you you stepped away from uh a contractor position, which is in this uh neighborhood that's substantial, uh especially with your background, to a youth pastor, which from a salary standpoint isn't even close in the same neighborhood. So I I get it, it's definitely a calling. Um that that's awesome. So you're the youth pastor there, and then there comes a time when you what what happens at what point do you say, I need I need we need something a little bit different, something more, um, and come up with the stronghold alliance.

Todd Peters 5:56

Good question. There was one piece in between. Uh, after about four years of being the youth pastor, they sent me out here to Prince William to lead. And so I was the location pastor out there for just shy of 10 years, and it was during those 10 years that multiple suicides just kept stacking up from my community and the SIL teams. Uh certainly aware of other communities. Our son's a PJ, so I'm familiar with the Air Force to your initial request. And so I maybe encourage my own son to go to the Air Force. And uh he's loving his career there. Sure. But uh, when you cross three digits of people you know that have taken their life, uh, you realize this isn't a part-time problem. And so we created uh something as a stopgap, if you will, rally point gatherings that are you know weekly peer gatherings, a place to connect, to be cared for, and given courage to take the next right step towards your own healing. And so as I was doing that as a pastor, um, last July, so of 25, I read Nehemiah 1 through 3. And for those that aren't familiar with the story, Nehemiah found out that the walls in Jerusalem were torn down. He weeped, he prayed, and uh then he sought God, and then he met before the king, and the king was like, Hey, you look sad, which was a big deal back then, because if you make the king sad, he could kill you. And he said, What's on your heart and what do you need? And so he told him, How can I be happy if the walls are torn down where I'm from, and I'd like to go. And the king was like, How much do you need and how long will you be gone? And so I met with leadership that day after I read that, and the first thing they asked me was, What's on your heart? And so I didn't have a plan to resign that day, but that's what I did. And I gave them, I said, I'll stay on board and I'll I'll work my heart out until the end of the year to help get someone uh installed and take over. But I'm gonna go full time towards

Leaving The Teams For Ministry

Todd Peters 7:40

this problem and I don't know what it looks like. And so uh in August I formed the nonprofit, did a little research because you have to, you know, it's it's hard to build a brand if you don't know if you own it. And so did all that. Stronghold made sense to me. Uh there's plenty of scripture references, and it's also, I think, for veterans and first responders, uh, they understand that language. And then what I shared with Sarah Ford from your organization and many others that I've worked with is the suicide problem is much bigger than any one nonprofit or even one church, but it's not too big for God. And so along the way, I've had the pleasure of meeting so many different groups and forming these alliances to tackle this problem about suicide.

Larry Zilliox 8:18

Yeah.

Todd Peters 8:18

So that's what kind of birthed uh the Stronghold Alliance.

Larry Zilliox 8:22

And so tell us a little bit about the program itself. I know that from a clinical standpoint, there you you do a lot with the hyperbaric um oxygen therapy. And then it's it's peer group as well as the the spiritual aspect of it too. So it's all combined into one particular program. But how did you come up with that and decide that you can't just do one for your organization and for the services that you provide? It needs to be a combination of things.

Todd Peters 8:55

I think even just looking at how God made us, you know, so you think about our body, we're supposed to be good stewards of it. Think about our mind, you think about our soul. Uh, I was actually a patient of hyperbrec oxygen. I had my own TBI. It manifested in chronic migraines. And so for 13 years as a pastor, uh, I had 36 hours on of migraines and eight hours off, like clockwork. And that 13th year, I ran out of gas. And I'd like to think I have fortitude, but I just ran out. I was depressed. Uh, God definitely broke me from uh the old adage, here's a can of suck it up, deal with it. Uh I realized there's some things you can't suck up. So I was broken. Uh that 13th year, it got very dark. Uh, actually contemplated the things that you're not supposed to contemplate as a as a guy that has a great wife, great kids, great grandkids, and all these wonderful things. And I just, the pain was too much. And it helped me understand a lot of these men I know, they very well could have been in the same boat. And so what I've realized through a lot of study and doing my own counseling for people is that if you have a traumatic brain injury, you're kind of wasting your time going to professional counseling until you get your brain fixed. There's actually an order that matters because it's kind of like going out and expecting your car to work when the battery cables aren't hooked up. Uh, the wires aren't touching upstairs. And until you get the inflammation reduced, uh, the brain's not really going to understand. I could sit with you. You could be a phenomenal counselor, but I don't understand because my brain's not working. So we start with the chamber. Uh, have a wonderful nurse named Jordan. She handles the intake, she screens them, she does the blood work. She also has a supplement package to reduce inflammation. Uh, she kind of programs the depth they go. But on average, they're doing 40 dives and she does check-ins, you know, every 10 dives or so to make sure they're doing all right and to see if we need to tweak the program. We're also doing something called a neural quant MRI before and after. So, what that does, if you're a patient, you get to see the volume of your brain before and after. And it changes significantly so far and what we've seen in other studies. So that was helpful for my wife, you know, because they called an invisible wound for a problem or for a reason. You can't see it, and yet you're in so much pain. Sure. Well, my wife could see the scans and to see how damaged the brain was. It also helped confirm that I wasn't nuts, you know, crazy, but then to see how it was restored and how you just you get that spark back. So that's the body part. Along the way, one of the alliances we formed is uh it's called 1010 Life.

Larry Zilliox 11:19

Right.

Todd Peters 11:20

I met with David Steele, who uh also knows Sarah Ford in this organization. And he right now, they're becoming part of our uh nonprofit. And so for the mind part, uh, the nurse at uh the rest and facility, she can send someone

Suicide Losses Spark A New Mission

Todd Peters 11:35

straight for the professional counseling. I can refer them out. So we have that professional counseling arm, and then the relationship for the soul is those rally points, and we're slowly expanding those. We have five currently in the Nova area, and then we're expanding into Maryland. We have a few spots that we're looking at to train facilitators for DC in conversations with Florida, Texas, North Carolina, and slowly expanded out. And then what I've learned, just to wrap up the spiritual side, is and I was a pastor, so I understand this. I'm trying to, I've written several documents to help pastors understand. I'm not trying to compete with what you're doing. I'm trying to help you reach people that are in your space you're not reaching. So if anything, I'm just trying to help. And so a lot of pastors, because they'll come to me and they'll say, How do I reach veterans or how do I reach first responders? I don't know their language. And that's what we've done is we've had these different devotionals that speak our language that people understand. Even tonight they're meeting here locally. And, you know, there'll be some hard discussions, but they feel safe and they can come clean. And since we started a year and a half ago, we've had 12 people not take their life. So to me, you know, just one person at a time, but that's a huge win.

Larry Zilliox 12:41

Sure, sure. Any anytime you can put the pause in that process, it's it is a huge win. Um for not only the veteran, but their family, their friends, their battle buddies, a whole slew of people uh are better off because of that and and the work that you're doing. Listeners, I just want to go back a little bit and explain to you that when Todd said uh 40 dives, he wasn't talking about throwing somebody in the ocean with scuba tanks. This hyperbaric chamber, it it replicates that process basically, taking taking them as though they were down at certain atmospheres and that's right.

Todd Peters 13:23

It's pressurized oxygen. And like for the listener, you just look at your hand right now. And if you're a healthy adult, you perfuse 21% oxygen to your fingers and toes. And if you get a cut, look at that cut on your hand or your toes. Uh, that cut is about 10% oxygen. And so that angle from 21 to 10, they call the O2 gradient. And because it's steep, our bodies know to send white blood cells to go fight the infection. And so you don't have to give someone antibiotics, they just heal naturally because that's how our bodies are made. Um, if you're a diabetic, type one or type two, and you perfuse poorly to your fingers and toes and you get it cut. Maybe you perfuse 12%, the cut's 10. It's not steep enough. Your body doesn't know that there's a wound there. I can give you antibiotics, it still doesn't know what to do. But if I put you in a chamber, now those fingers and toes become 100% saturated. It sees that cut at 10, super steep angle, all the white blood cells go there. You don't have to get a surgery to get amputated, and you continue on in your life much healthier. Yeah. That's just one of the modalities, the treatments that you can do of a chamber. And what we're doing is just treating the brain and reducing the inflammation and even repairing and actually growing new brain tissue. It's phenomenal.

Larry Zilliox 14:33

So the chamber, you that's not yours. You guys don't own that. That's that's a pretty expensive piece of equipment. There's not many around. You'll you'll find them on the coasts, of course, for dealing with um divers who have issues. But so you guys are funding that, you're paying for that as part of the program. If I'm a if I'm a veteran and uh have had ongoing issues with with TBI and PTS, and I come to you and I want to be in this program, how much of it are you able to fund and help support me through that?

Todd Peters 15:11

Good question. So currently, because we just started in January, yeah, uh, we are treating people locally here in Northern Virginia because I don't have the funds to house somebody for eight weeks. Right. But if you're a local veteran or first responder, we fund 100% of it. Okay. And so they're not paying anything out of their own pocket. And uh we just we've had some very generous donors and we continue uh to find more. We're writing grants and learning

Stronghold’s Body Mind Soul Model

Todd Peters 15:35

the process. Sure. And uh if anything, this is a wonderful people group to help, right? There's a lot of men and women that care about our veterans and the first responders. And so uh, but that'll be a continue. That's something I'm trying to get smart at because uh you deplete your piggy bank pretty quick when you start using expensive medical treatments.

Larry Zilliox 15:51

Yeah, well, fortunately, we live in an area that is um uh well, there's money here. Uh you you've got Loudoun, the number one wealthiest county in the country, Fairfax, number three, Prince William, about 13. Uh, it's not easy to get. You got to work for it, but it's it's here. Um, and uh so along those lines, donors, I want to direct you, or I'm gonna call you donors, listeners, I'm gonna direct you to strongholdalliance.org. That's the webpage, strongholdalliance.org. Now, normally at this point, I say up in the right hand corner is a red donate button, bang on it. But on this particular case, there's is not a donate button. It says stand with us. Okay, so you're not confused. I I still want you to bang on it and give whatever you can. Five, ten, fifteen dollars, fifteen thousand, whatever you can. What does the treatment for this a full course treatment for this uh cost to you?

Todd Peters 16:51

So right now, the whole package with the 40 treatments with the MRIs before and after, the supplement package, and all the other wonderful things that they're doing there, we haven't broke 15,000. And to explain even what a wonderful deal that is, not just for Northern Virginia, but in America, uh, I have friends that work in the hospitals around here, just the 40 dives treatments is 50,000.

Larry Zilliox 17:14

Yeah.

Todd Peters 17:14

So they're very generous also in the price. I don't think they're uh they're probably just breaking even on us, but they care also. And so it's super cool to see how they're being generous as well.

Larry Zilliox 17:24

Yeah, for sure. I mean, that's people spend more on their pets.

Todd Peters 17:28

Well, and it costs more just to get a two Tylenol at the ER, right?

Larry Zilliox 17:31

Yeah, that's crazy. How many, how many veterans have you guys been able to help?

Todd Peters 17:37

Right now we've had 10.

Larry Zilliox 17:38

Nice.

Todd Peters 17:39

We we've had one finish completely. Right. Uh a friend of mine actually that was blown up with the SEAL teams uh on uh an operation, uh, and and his M4, which a lot of the listeners will know, that primary weapon, uh, went through his chest and he lived. Uh, but obviously he was in a lot of pain. And he's like a new man. We have another guy that lost his leg deployed multiple times after he got his cool robot leg. Uh, and he is like a new person. He's laughing, he's engaged in life. Uh we have, yeah, well that yeah, and I guess think about HIPAA, you know, I won't get into too many details, but we have uh first responders and veterans of all walks of life. And uh we even have a veteran that's a pastor that's getting treated and possibly will keep in ministry instead of him having to retire early because of just the chronic pain. Sure, sure. So it's really exciting. My first my goal for the first year, you know, was a little ambitious, but I think we're already headed there is uh 15 people for this first year.

Larry Zilliox 18:34

Right.

Todd Peters 18:35

And so we have 10, and here it is, knocking on May.

Larry Zilliox 18:38

Okay, yeah. Well, there's still room for some. And what's the criteria? I mean, when you when you get an application, what's the criteria that you use to say, you know, if you had 40 applications, you can't take them all. Um, what are you looking for in that application to say this is somebody we need to to get into the program?

Todd Peters 19:01

That's a really good question. So I have had people from out of the area that I've tried to help find them something else near where they live, just because, again, of the cost to house somebody. But uh, for a veteran, where we verify the DD214 that we actually, in fact, are treating a veteran. Uh, they have to have a diagnosis of PTS or TBI. So those are things they have to provide to the clinic when they do their initial screening. And then what I do is I usually or myself or other people on the board, we'll do an intake call and we try, if they're married, we want the spouse involved because a lot of times it's the spouse that finds the treatment option because the member is just too hurt uh to be able to process and to think. And so, especially with classic TBI. Uh, one of the things we sit down though and explain to them, and even the clinic reinforces this, is this is a wonderful treatment, but you can outlive it. Meaning, if you're drinking 24 beers at night uh and you think this treatment's gonna work, uh, then we just say, hey, uh, you save your time and save our money, and uh, we're gonna find somebody else. But if they're willing to get dry and they need help, we'll even help them do that. And so uh it's it's a combination of everything, but so far we've only had a couple that were a little resistant because they're like, well, I read this or I read this article. I'm like, I did too, you know, and I stepped in there and I'm just testifying. This is where I was at, this is where I'm at today. And I so believe in it that like I just stepped out on faith, hoping that I could treat other people so they could get the same results. And what we we don't promise, of course, any results, but what we've seen so far, not just in our practice, but in all the other ones that implement hyperbaric oxygen, if let's

How Hyperbaric Oxygen Helps TBI

Todd Peters 20:40

say your baseline is 10%, it's gonna move the needle to the right. Yeah. And so in my case, I was sitting at five and just about ready to run out of gas, and it swung me over to 95. And so, as you know, any good disclaimer results will vary, but it's neat. And I think you get out of it what you put into it. And it's nice when you have someone in your corner, but if you don't, like that's where these rally points come in. We're in your corner. And so many of the people that are going through treatment actually attend those weekly gatherings also, just for that, again, that care. Because many of especially when we talk about transitions, as you alluded to earlier, transitions are really hard. And this is a major one when you leave that. A lot of people, you know, their identity was in that badge or that uniform. And so to be something different is a huge step for them.

Larry Zilliox 21:24

Now you're gonna find your tribe with it too. Yeah. Um, so think back to the first veteran that you helped go through this program, and he got he got his treatment and started his treatment, and he came to you. What did that what did that feel like for you?

Todd Peters 21:42

It it feels good to see that they're engaged and they're seeing the details again. Like this man that we're speaking about, uh, he's like, Hey, I think uh I'm gonna watch my kid play uh flag football tonight instead of come to the rally point. I'm like, that's exactly what we're talking about. We're always here for you. But this is why we rebooted you, you know, and that God's giving you a new lease on life. Go be with your son. Go be a dad. And so the same thing when you can see uh a marriage get repaired because the wires are touching again and they can actually understand and communicate with their spouse. Uh it it feels really good. I also realize I'm not doing any of this on my own. Uh it's just a tremendous team effort. And it really is without being a geek, there's there's a lot of heart behind the name. Uh, I just see all these alliances, you know, like even here with you, right? Like this to me, you know, and Sarah knows this, like I have your all's logo on my webpage. Like, this is one of the alliances because we're working together. I mean, they they hosted us and taught a moral injury class here, and it helped a lot of the men and women that attend. And so, yeah, it it certainly makes me uh, you know, just the pastor heart of me happy to see people uh have the hope because I've sat alongside so many people that don't have it and different walks of life. And uh, as you know, like it gets hard out there and to know you're not alone, yeah, and that someone cares about you because that's the devil's light, right?

Larry Zilliox 23:01

Yeah, you know.

Todd Peters 23:02

So for every one of you listeners, the one thing that was taught to me that helped me in my dark days is if you're thinking about doing something horrible, realize the only thing you're gonna do in the process is you're gonna transfer your pain to the people that love you the most.

Larry Zilliox 23:14

Yeah.

Todd Peters 23:14

That's the end result. It never makes it better.

Larry Zilliox 23:17

Yeah, and you you never want to look for a permanent solution to a short-term problem. Correct. Um, it it really uh, you know, reach out to uh to Todd, to your battle buddies, to us here at the Warrior Retreat, to there's so many organizations and so many people willing to help. Um that uh you're not alone is is truly uh it's real.

Cost Funding And Who Qualifies

Larry Zilliox 23:45

And uh the this is another example. A strong the Stronghore Hold Alliance is a great example of a team pulling together. And you know, Todd, uh I looked at the web page and the board, and you've got uh really good support. I mean, um there's there's a a lot of senior service members that spent time in and they walk the walk and they know what it is like, and they know how important uh tribe is, they know how important purpose is. And this program helps veterans get to a point where they can focus again on those two things on purpose, whether it's just being with the family, uh whatever it is, helping other veterans, it could be any number of things. But when you have TBI and you can't remember what somebody told you yesterday, uh life is really hard and and painful. And so, you know, God bless you guys. Uh again, listeners, the webpage is strongholdalliance.org. Uh, up there in that right hand corner is the stand with us button. Donate, give what you can. Um, this is money that's gonna go directly to help a veteran with um this this treatment and uh help them get their life back together, and uh hopefully they'll pay it forward. And just like you are paying it forward and uh your whole team, everybody that works with you. So I really uh appreciate you coming out. I know uh we're sort of out in the country here, but uh I appreciate you coming out and sitting down with us and telling us all about this. And before I forget, I had heard a rumor that the new Secretary of the Navy needed help with um a program, and you you're gonna step in and help them.

Todd Peters 25:41

That's right. Yeah. Uh the acting secretary of the Navy, Hunk Cow, is a dear friend. And uh Monday I start as a senior advisor role for mental health and suicide prevention for the Navy and the Marine Corps. And so I'm I'm thrilled to have the opportunity to move the needle there too, because uh I'm I'm tired of seeing the same stats every year. I know there's a lot of great men and women already tackling that problem. I just want to come in there and maybe instead of being a clinician,

Advising The Navy On Prevention

Todd Peters 26:05

uh just give them insight on what it's like to be one of the fellas.

Larry Zilliox 26:08

Yeah. Well, that's awesome. Um, I know you're gonna have make an impact in that role. So that's that's fantastic. So again, really thank you for coming out. We really appreciate it. Thank you, sir. It's a pleasure. Uh, listeners, we'll have another episode next Monday morning at 0500. You can find us on all the major platforms. You're on YouTube and Reath Across America Radio. So until then, thanks for listening.