In this one, we go on a bit (firstly about warm, insipid beer) and then, much more importantly on the subject of whether there is a difference in the way men and women present and experience depression. We cover a lot of ground from biology, pregnancy, culture and, as always, recovery and lightness.
This is "Why the long face?" in which we lift the lid on depression in a sometimes lighthearted and always non-judgemental way.
It is a conversation between two old friends, usually over a drink or two.
Paul has been a psychiatrist for 20 years and has done years of research into mood disorders and Oliver is a business consultant who has dealt with a lot of depression and its consequences in the workplace.