Buzzcast

Dealing with Podcaster Burnout + Why Are My Episodes Out Of Order?

November 08, 2019 Episode 12
Buzzcast
Dealing with Podcaster Burnout + Why Are My Episodes Out Of Order?
Chapters
00:00:00
Wrecking Ball
00:01:11
Teasing our new HTSAP video series
00:04:22
The Podcast Plateau
00:17:03
Dealing with burnout
00:24:12
Where is my RSS feed?
00:30:07
Why are my episodes out of order?
Buzzcast
Dealing with Podcaster Burnout + Why Are My Episodes Out Of Order?
Nov 08, 2019 Episode 12
Buzzsprout

This week we cover tips for breaking through the "podcast plateau," what to do if you're experiencing burnout, and answer some frequently asked questions with Priscilla.

Customer Support Mailbag:

  • What is an RSS Feed? (And where can I find mine?)
  • Why are my episodes out of order?


Have an idea for something we should talk about? Submit a topic in our Listener Suggestions form or post it in the Buzzsprout Podcast Community on Facebook.

Have a question? Shoot us an email at support@buzzsprout.com

Show Notes Transcript Chapter Markers

This week we cover tips for breaking through the "podcast plateau," what to do if you're experiencing burnout, and answer some frequently asked questions with Priscilla.

Customer Support Mailbag:

  • What is an RSS Feed? (And where can I find mine?)
  • Why are my episodes out of order?


Have an idea for something we should talk about? Submit a topic in our Listener Suggestions form or post it in the Buzzsprout Podcast Community on Facebook.

Have a question? Shoot us an email at support@buzzsprout.com

Alban:
0:00
Yeah. Yep. You hear sometimes people talk about it's the journey. It's not the destination in many things in life it's the climb. As Miley would say. I love Rizzo always quote like very big pop cultures dogs do is that we all look back with these like blank faces like none of us know what she's talking about.
Priscilla:
0:17
That song you do. I know I will. I will raise my hand and say I have heard that song. That was good. Stephanie on a wrecking ball right now so we can see you know, wrecking ball.
Travis:
0:35
Welcome back to another episode of buzz cast. Guys, a super glad you're with us. We have myself, Travis, Alvin as well and standing in for the illustrious Kevin cofounder is our very own Priscilla. Hello. Welcome to buzz cast. Hello. Those are big shoes to fill but Kevin wears well. You are sitting at the head of the table so we'll just uh, you're in the Kevin spot but that's okay. You, you fill it. It well you are, your presence is, is a positive influence in this, in this episode.
Priscilla:
1:04
Guys are Travis. Good stuff. Travis. Alvin didn't say anything that expense.
Travis:
1:10
So we've got some cool content coming up for you guys that we want to make sure that you know about. Alvin, why don't you, uh, kind of tease out a little bit what people can expect later this year from our, uh, content calendar?
Alban:
1:23
Well, we've got a lot of posts coming up. We've got some podcasts, but the big one that I think you're setting me up for is we're doing an eight part YouTube video series on how to start a podcast where we walk through the entire thing and it's something we wanted to do for a while, but it's a pretty big project. And so after a couple of our videos started doing well on YouTube, we went, okay, we didn't need to do this before the end of the year. Um, so wrote a bunch of scripts, so like 10, 12 minutes long each and we'd really want to make it so somebody could start this series, do a couple of things after it. And by the end of the series, they're totally launched and their podcast is ready to go. Hopefully the, it'd be nice for the support team. I know you guys get some crazy questions, like, how do I start a podcast? And you're like,
Priscilla:
2:09
that's not really that crazy of a question. That's pretty normal, but we do get one how to go viral and then we get ones like that. Exactly. Or, or like, you know, what are, what are, I don't know, podcasts. There are people that are very confused about the process and what is podcast. That's, yeah, that's it. That's good. But, um, yeah, it'll be exciting. I'm excited to be able to send those videos out to people.
Alban:
2:33
Yeah. The hope would be that most of those questions or answer, maybe not like how to go viral, but most of the questions are answered so you can drop someone into the series and they would, uh, be able to, you know, kick it off right there.
Priscilla:
2:47
Yeah. And a lot of people write in and say, how do I launch? Like, what's the process of launching? And so that will be really good because video eight video wait. Oh, okay. I believe that's correct. Yes. Video eight. Yeah. So I'll just respond and say video eight
Priscilla:
3:00
they don't know what I'm talking about.
Alban:
3:02
Yeah. So maybe we'll put some links in there, but yeah, that's a, well I guess that's the full teaser right there, but we're going to do some videos and we're excited to launch them. Probably most people will listen to this podcast are a little bit farther in the journey, but when you have people reach out to you and say like, what do I do? Instead of trying to walk them through the entire process yourself, you can just send them the videos and say, Hey, here's where to start. Any questions you have, you can ask me. Because as soon as you launch a podcast, the most common thing you get is people asking, Hey, how do I start? And so maybe this'll be a good resource for you to share.
Travis:
3:35
Absolutely. And last year we launched the how to start a podcast podcast. And then before that we had a a full writeup guide on how to make a podcast. And so, but, but when you incorporate video we'll, we're extended about with the video element is you can do some things visually that you can't do on a podcast episode, right? So we're able to show examples. We're able to kind of flush it out a little bit better than we would just with audio. Um, so we're really excited about it with things can be a great resource and for anyone that is just getting started or if you want to make sure you have all your T's crossed and your I's dotted, just like make sure you didn't miss anything in the process of starting your own podcast, then this video series is going to really fantastic for that. So definitely excited about that. And then when it comes out, we'll definitely let you know here on buzz cast.
Travis:
4:22
So one thing that I've noticed about podcasting just as an observer and as a podcaster is that there's, there's really like three seasons of podcasting. There's the initial like super excitement. I have an idea, it's going to be amazing. I'm going to share it, it's going to be awesome. Right? And so you've launched your first episode, your second episode, your third episode, things are going well. And then season two things kind of plateau. A little bits, right? Your numbers aren't going up as much. The you, you're not as excited about jumping into the edit as you used to be. And then on the other side of that, you know that there's, you know, a point in time where things will start to pick up. Um, and, and your show will continue to grow. But often there's this plateau period where a lot of people can feel stuck both emotionally, like not really as excited about this podcast as I was when I first started. And then also just from a, you know, an audience perspective, like your audience isn't growing as much as it was at the beginning. And so I thought it'd be good just to talk about that because it's a reality that most podcasters will face at some points. And, uh, just some things that we think are helpful too to help push through that and just make sure that, yeah, just, just to stay on the path, the, the longterm perspective. And, uh, and just to be able to push through that period.
Alban:
5:39
You know, when you started talking about it reminded me a lot of Seth Godins book the dip and pretty much the whole premise of the book, not I hope I summarize it right, is everything has a lot of things have this predictable pattern where you're really excited and you get into it and then the excitement wears off and things get hard and then you'd go into the debt and then if you're able to push through that stage, you get to these really great rewards later and things started getting better and better. But it's in a relationship, it's after the infatuation, stage it with a new car. It's once you're starting to make your third payment and a lot of things, you know, you're trying to learn, um, piano and now you, you're not just learning new notes, you're trying to learn like this difficult piece, but you can't play anything that great.
Alban:
6:30
And that was actually right when I quit piano. But you know, if you can make it through, it's great. And podcasting, it almost can maybe be even more difficult sometimes because you can be in a spot where you're like, wow, there's only five people who listen to my show. Um, you know, maybe it's a little bit more, but maybe it's not that many. You know, there's not a lot of people listening. I don't know anyone who does it, so nobody can affirm me and I just feel like an abject failure and I'm probably just a nut. He's kind of trying to this show and it's not working and there, so it really is like this deep lull, you know, there's this really deep dip. Um, yeah. Do we want to go to advice or maybe any, any tips you have as well? [inaudible] well, I know with our courses that, that's why we've always started off by saying, what is your why?
Alban:
7:27
Why did you actually start a podcast? Because you have to keep that in front of you. Um, I know for, you know, I use my, I'll use it, my piano as the example of me quitting something for me. Like I had no why though? Why was when I was little, my grandmother wanted to teach me piano and then my mom really wanted me to be musically inclined and I had no why. And so the minute that it got difficult, all I did was like try to avoid it and so it didn't work. And if podcasts and the only thing you want is to be really big and famous, the minute that you see that's not really working out, you're going to quit. But if your why is, I really love Marvel comics or something and you're just talking about Marvel comics all the time, it won't really matter if it's this tough part where only 20 people are listening because they're going to go, I love them so much. I'm happy to talk about him to these 20 people. And if it grows, it grows. If not, it doesn't, um, that you've really got to have that passion and that really believing like there's something you really want to do with this podcast and keep that why in front of you.
Priscilla:
8:33
Yeah. And so I guess that's, that goes into why it's so important to really, when you're picking your topic, have something that you really, truly could talk about a lot because if you get to that plateau and then you're like, Oh well maybe I don't like talking about Marvel as much as I thought I did. Um, then it might be harder to like get back into it. Um, so choosing that why in the first place and figuring
Priscilla:
8:56
out what
Alban:
8:57
that topic is that really you're passionate about where that's going to be sustained is really important. Yeah. Yet you hear, sometimes people talk about it's the journey. It's not the destination in many things in life, it's the climb as Miley would say. I love Rizzo always quote like very big pop cultures. August do is that we all look back with these like blank faces. Like none of us know what you're talking about. That song
Travis:
9:21
I sign up, I will, I will raise my hand and say, I have heard that
Alban:
9:24
Travis is pretending that he's like on a wrecking ball right now so we can see, you know, I know, I know that. Sorry. Um, yeah, but you've got to, you've got to enjoy the journey. If you aren't enjoying the process of recording and talking to the few people that will write back and you know, going through the editing process and growing, if you're not enjoying that, it won't really, it's not going to do it for you when you go, wow, a hundred 500,000 subscribers, you'll just be that person who's waiting for the next, you know, the next exciting milestone and then your is daily gonna go past it. Well, you've got to enjoy the process and so if you can't find something that's somewhat enjoyable for you, um, then it's going to be tough to sustain yourself just on those like milestone moments.
Travis:
10:14
Yeah, and I think something that I think about too is that it's just in our human nature that once we achieve something like achieve a goal that we had, it's not like we're like, cool, I made it. All we do is just move the goalposts back even farther and say, well, now this is the next thing that I need to accomplish in order to feel like fulfilled and purposeful. And things like that. Um, and I was listening to a relatively new podcast called the happiness lab, which actually is a fan.
Alban:
10:43
I've been listening to it. Have you really? I've listened to like first six episodes.
Travis:
10:48
Yeah, it's really good. It's really, really good. Um, but uh, one thing they talk about on on the happiness lab is how happiness, like our experiences of happiness, of like feeling happy are moments in time, but it's easy to chase those as like a continuous state of being, which isn't, which isn't actually how our body functions, right? So it'd be like the first time you had ice cream, it was amazing, but if you had ice cream every 10 minutes of your life, you would hate it and you would have to have more ice cream or intense ice cream in order to get that same feeling from the first experience. Um, and so just making sure that when you're trying to figure out like what does my relationship to my podcast and how it's growing and how it's doing, that you just want to make sure that what you're focusing on is not those highs of like hitting these huge numbers, um, or like landing this huge guest because that will happen every once in awhile. But that can't be your main motivating factor for why and podcasting, you know, if that is, then you're chase, you're always chasing the next podcast. Hi. Um, and, and those come really few and far between.
Alban:
12:02
Yeah. I, have you ever heard a Nick Saban, the coach of the Alabama Crimson tide? I'm familiar with him. He also knows about everything. I'm over here. We're on an Auburn tiger shirt. So yes, I'm very familiar. Yeah. I'm not wearing anything Georgia, but uh, I'm familiar with big comebacks at the end of the games, but mixed seconds teams. Um, but one thing is he does, he said like, after they win a national championship, he's like, I celebrate for, he was only like three days. He's like, I let myself enjoy it for three days. Then you get back to work. And I was like, Oh, that is just, that's brutal. You know, you're doing these, you're one of the most celebrated coaches of all time. And he's saying like, Oh, nothing will ever be good enough. Like even winning back to back to back championships will only ever be worth nine days of off of enjoying myself. And you know, he, he probably personally, he must love the, the grind, you know, loves the coaching, loves the recruiting and all that because you know, one day or three days of celebration a year or not enough to sustain you through something as tough as coaching a college football team.
Travis:
13:13
Yup. So just a couple of tips though. If you're feeling like you're in a plateau and you've lost some excitement, you lost the motivation and your audiences isn't growing. Um, just a couple of practical things that you can try to kind of spice things up a little bit. A number one, change your show a little bit. So introduce the new segments. If you don't have interviews, try incorporating interviews. If you do have interviews, try to do some solo episodes. Um, change something about the episode structure to give you something new to work on. Something new to edits. Cause I know it can be, it can be kind of dry when you're like approaching the same podcast weekend and week out. And it's like, all right, I've done this 50 million times, here's another one. Um, and it can kind of lose that freshness. And so just changing your podcasts a little bit can like for you just feel really great.
Travis:
13:59
Like, okay, I'm going to do something a little bit different this week. I'm going to do a little experiment, see how this goes. And then the other thing would be whatever your marketing strategy is, try a different one. Right? So if your marketing strategy is, I'm just gonna post everything on social media all the time and you feel like that's not getting you some traction, then shift it and be like, okay, well I'm going to try and go on five podcasts this month, right? I'm gonna find five podcasts that are related to mine and I'm gonna, you know, try and be a guest on their show and see if that can help boost the numbers. Because I think sometimes it's, it's, we can get stubborn and thinking like, this is what I have to do in order for my podcast to reach my goals. But often it's just approaching the same problem from a different angle and a different perspective is all you need to kind of get around that hump, that hurdle. Yeah. And check out conferences. There are a lot of really great conferences, podcasting, you know, conventions and conferences that are so like inspirational
Priscilla:
14:53
and motivational to get you back into the, you know, into the flow. So I know that I've gone to a lot this year and I feel like I talk to people at these conferences and they're always like, Oh, this is such a good motivational, you know, thing for me. And now I'm going to go back and I'm all Reno re-energized to get podcasting again. And so find one. There's so many good ones that you can go to and get a lot of great information out of and make connections for those interviews.
Alban:
15:18
Yeah, the ones we really like, we love podcast movement, pod Fest, she podcasts, Flynn con, we got a traffic and conversion every year. There's a lots of good ones there. And you'll find one nearby you
Priscilla:
15:31
or even like a Podcaster's meetup. I mean I know here in Jacksonville we, we have podcasters meetups. And so that's just a way to like connect with other podcasters and then you know, re-energize yourself.
Alban:
15:42
Yeah. Cause it really is this like, Oh am I all just, is it just me with the bad solid small podcast and all the other podcasts are like the massive shows cause it can feel like it's all massive shows and you, when really the world is this giant like pyramid. There's mostly small shows at the bottom and there's a few at the very pinnacle that everyone's heard about the serials and this American life. And like Joe Rogan and like he, I like, I like max effort. So those, it's easy to feel like I'm the only one down here trying to figure it out. But when you go to these meetups and you go to conferences, you're going, Oh there's so many people do in my shoes. We're all dealing with the same stuff. We're on the same team. Let's go and you get totally pumped up.
Alban:
16:30
Um, yeah one, one tip I would get is an add to yours Travis was um, if you do a solo cast, try bringing on a guest or try getting a cohost. We're a couple episodes and you don't have to change the thing long term, but it's kinda fun to have somebody else to chat with and somebody to bounce ideas off of. Maybe someone who will take a little bit of the workload from you. Maybe if you don't love editing, you might try to find someone who actually is super into editing cause there are people who love everything. Find people who are good at things. You're not.
Travis:
17:03
So kind of the, the, the second piece of this talking about trying to break through that plateau is a, it's easy to feel burned out if you stay in that state for a long period of time, but just like grinding it out without really seeing a lot to show for it. Um, and so I wanted to kind of pose the question here. If you're, if you're a podcaster that's feeling burned out and you're like, I'm not sure if want to continue doing this podcast or how I should continue or what should change, um, what would kind of be some, some things to think about as far as, you know, taking a step back and saying, you know, I'm not, I'm not a slave to this podcast. Like I have the ability to take a break, do seasons, whatever it is, um, to like make sure that I still really enjoy doing it. Um, but I don't know if you have any ideas or if you
Priscilla:
17:50
have any tips for someone's feeling burned out and feeling like, I'm not really sure if I want to keep podcasting or if I want to change it up or do anything like that. Yeah. I feel like what you just said is spot on. Give yourself the freedom to take a break and to end this season and you know, give yourself some space to start again, um, with a new, with a new fresh season and give your, I mean your podcast is your podcast and so you kind of get to dictate to that a little bit. And so giving yourself kind of that freedom to say, okay, I'm going to take a break for a month. And these listeners that I've gained that are these loyal listeners, they're gonna, they'll, they'll hang around for a month if I need to take a break to kind of get back into it
Alban:
18:29
and being honest, like I can think of podcasts that have kind of just disappeared and have gone, man, I wish there were some episodes. I wonder what's going on. If somebody came on and was like, Hey guys, you know, this might feel a little burned out with the podcast lately. Here's what I've been working on. It might take a little bit of a break. Um, you know, let me know what you think I probably would have written in and been like, this is actually a great show. Here's what I love that you do. Here's some ideas. And most of that burnout comes from a sense of isolation and not having people in bald, it might, you know, it's just you're throwing out an opportunity for somebody to re write you an email and say, Hey, this matters a lot to me and if you got two or three of those, you're not going to feel burned out anymore. You're going to feel energized cause you know, you make a difference and people actually really enjoy the show. Um, as soon as you're kind of reminded those are real people, then you're like, Oh sweet. All right. Yeah maybe. Maybe we are going to do, let's do an episode this week.
Travis:
19:29
Yeah, definitely. And just remembering too that like, unless, unless your podcast is paying the bills, which is like a very small fraction of podcasters and it's still in like that hobby side hustle realm. Like there's no, there's no law that says you, you cannot take a break from your podcast. And I think there's a fear involved in like taking a step back that if I take a break, I'll lose everything that I've built, that I've worked so hard to create. You know, these, these people that are listening to me every single week, if I don't show up for a couple of weeks, what are they gonna think? Are they going to leave? Are they [inaudible] subscribe? And then all that work that I did was for nothing. I think that's a real, that's a real fear that people can have in a real anxiety around taking a break and taking some, some me time to kind of recharge and get refocused and re-energized about it.
Priscilla:
20:16
Um, so what would you say, what would you say to somebody who's, who's feeling that way? Oh, I was just gonna add one thing. I do think that you're right. I don't think you'll lose people just because you need to take a couple of weeks off. But I think it is important to let your listeners know that you're taking a couple weeks off and not to just kind of go silent because then you do run into the possibility of maybe people not knowing what's going on and then they unsubscribe. But if you are up front and honest, like Alvin said about, you know, needing that time off and then taking a couple of weeks. I agree. I think you're,
Alban:
20:44
we'll hang around. Yeah. Do you ever have a friend who like you hear from for a while and then you talk to them? They're like, yeah, I've been in a really sad spot. No one reached out to me and I was feeling kind of lonely and you're like, dude, wish I had heard that earlier. Cause like I was wondering what was going on and I didn't, I kinda wanted to give you your space. You know, maybe the same kind of thing goes for a broadcast. Like, let people know kind of feeling, not, you know, not sure about this podcast, throw it out there, see if people really are loving it. But uh, maybe some people are right to you and give you some positive feedback. Yeah, if you want to quit a podcast, right support@buzzsprout.com and you will get a compliment.
Priscilla:
21:23
Oh yes, I will send you a compliment. I will listen to some of your episode. I can't guarantee I'll, let's do a full episode, but I'll listen to some and I will give you a compliment that is genuine.
Alban:
21:34
I'm now wondering how many of those you're about to get.
Priscilla:
21:36
I will let Alvin and Travis know if any come in. So feel free. Seriously, feel free to email us and ask for a compliment. Priscilla, you are. You are. You're amazing. I'm excited.
Travis:
21:47
So yeah, I mean it's just to kind of wrap up the segment a little bit. It is totally normal to kind of feel worn down and tired and burned out a little bit from the podcast grind. Like it is a lot of work to build a podcast and to have episodes come out consistently. Um, so yeah, if you can, if you can find community with other podcasters, whether that's our Buzzsprout podcast community Facebook group that we have or a podcast meetup group, um, do what you have to do to kind of like connect with people that understand what you're going through. But then also, you know, if you need to take a break, there's, there's no shame in that.
Travis:
22:20
There's, there's no shame in saying, I need to take a break for a little bit too to kind of get reenergized and reinvigorated to, to jump back into this or to say, you know what? I want to go in a different direction. Maybe I want to try different podcasts. Maybe we want to start a YouTube channel. Like, you know, there are so many things that you can do with your creative outlet. Um, and it's totally fine if, if you're feeling burned out to take a break and kind of just look at things from a different perspective and see, uh, you know, what do you really want to do moving forward? It feels like a good time to let listeners know about the archive plan too. Cause if you do take a break, you can move to the archive plan and we'll host your episodes and you don't have to upload each each cycle.
Priscilla:
22:58
Talk about that a little bit. Priscilla, what is the archive plan? Um, the archive plan is our plan that allows you to host your episodes, like I said, on, on Buzzsprout. Um, but it doesn't give you time to upload new content. So it's only $5 a month because the hosting does still cost money. That's why we can't just host for free. Um, but we lowered it to $5 so that you can host and not upload any new content. And then at any point when you're ready to start uploading again, you would just upload an episode and we'll move you back to that to a plan, to a paid plan. So it's a really, it's a nice option if you know you're gonna take a month off, save a couple of dollars.
Alban:
23:36
Yeah. How do you get onto the archive plan?
Priscilla:
23:38
I think you go in your account, you go to the my profile section, and then you would, you would click on M, it's the cancel or redirect option and then there's a green option that says archive.
Alban:
23:50
Yeah. So if you're feeling you need to take a hiatus, you don't want to just give up on it yet. The archive plan, let it run for a bit, take a break, recharge, get pumped it up. My friends, go to a conference and new connections, make some new connections, come back and get ready to podcast again.
Priscilla:
24:08
That's good stuff.
Alban:
24:12
All right, so Kevin is out today and he's working on some stuff and Priscilla is been upgraded to full time cohost and so why don't we jump into a little bit of a support chat. You can bring us some questions, we can give some answers and you can correct those answers.
Priscilla:
24:35
I think. I think last, last episode I was on, we called it a support battle. Was it a battle someone named did a bad, I ended a battle because I anticipated winning and then I didn't, so we can call it whatever we want to call it. I'm much less bullish on my own abilities, friendship moment, shit moment. Oh my goodness. Um, okay. So yeah, let's, let's have our first support friendship moment. Um, so this is a question that comes in. No, what was it with the friendship? I feel like Kevin, did you not see the bracelet we made you at your desk? Oh man. Um, so the first question that I want to talk about is about RSS feeds. So RSS feeds are kind of confusing, especially when you're starting out in podcasting. And so a lot of people will write in and say, I saw that I have to have a RSS feed.
Priscilla:
25:28
How do I get one? Do you give me one? Um, how can I create one if I already have one? Where is it? What does it do? What's its purpose? All of that stuff. So I thought it would be good to talk about that. And about RSS feeds kind of in general. And then specifically where to find yours in your Buzzsprout account. So when you guys, what do you guys think? We'll, so first you have to venture to the dark web and make sure you have at least a thousand dollars in ransom money so you can get a speed. No, that's tip moment. Totally not true.
Travis:
25:54
So, so RSS, uh, comes from the blogging days. It stands for really simple syndication. I didn't know that. Yes, it is actually, it's an acronym that stands for something. Um, and so it was essentially a way that you could automatically get blog posts brought into a single feed where you could see all the blogs that you follow all in one page. And so podcasting kind of adopted that technology cause it's a very similar process. You subscribe to a podcast and when a new episode comes out you want to see it. And so it brings it into the app that you listen to podcasts. And so, so that's what an RSS feed RSSV does. Um, and as far as like, do we give you one? The answer is yes. When you create a podcast with Buzzsprout, we automatically make an RSS feed for you. And as you start uploading
Travis:
26:44
your episodes, you upload your artwork, submit your podcast to different directories that RSS feed is there for you. Like you don't have to go out and find it. You don't have to send us more money. Like it's just, it's a part of the process of starting and creating a podcast. Um, and then Alvin, do you want to talk about where you can find your RSS feed? Yeah, actually
Alban:
27:04
I would say, well I know off the top of my head, but I'm also thinking our whole mentality is that you don't need to know what this stuff is. You know, the RSS feed is a bunch of gobbly goop on a website. I mean it's all, it's XML and it's like open tags and CLO tags and it's like,
Travis:
27:22
it looks like the matrix. If you look [inaudible] page of raw HTML. Yeah,
Alban:
27:26
it's not readable. And the whole point is that it's created by software so that you don't have to deal with it and we really don't want you have to think about it at all. So if you're kind of confused about what it is or how to use it, you're in the right place because what all the, we say upload your podcast, give it a name, give a description, get a title, do all that stuff and then go inside of Buzzsprout to directories. And when you want to get dappled podcast, click get listed under Apple podcasts. When you want to get into Google podcast, click get list and when you get want to get into Spotify, you click get listed and then we walk you through the process. We don't say go set up and create an RSS feed and do all this other junk. We say, the minute you need that URL, we're going to say click copy.
Alban:
28:16
And now it's in your key. You know, now you have it, click paste and you're done. And you know that actually one of the main things that software should be doing for you in any realm is removing all the complexity that you don't really need to know about. And one of the bummers about podcasting has been for so long we've been so techie that we've kind of scared off a lot of people who'd be making really cool shows who may not be, you know, tech gurus. And I'm more into kind of the nerdier aspects. So I think now podcasts and barriers to entry are kind of going down a little bit and make, and we're actually seeing a lot, you know, more diverse audience and think that's a real positive. Um, so don't think about it and that's maybe my answer is like don't worry about your RSSV just go to directories and walked through our steps and when you need to have it, we are going to give it to you right at the right time.
Priscilla:
29:13
Yeah. And sometimes I think there are some times when you're submitting to directories that are outside of the ones that we have on your directories page in Buzzsprout, you might need that RSS feed. So I am going to tell you where to find it in case for some reason you need it, which is just by going to your directories page and clicking on the RSS feed tab and then it's right there, you can copy it. Um, but sometimes people will stumble across that page and see the page of raw HTML and kind of get nervous that they're, their listeners are getting this page. That makes sense. And so is this a virus right? Well it looks crazy. You know, if you're not used to it and if you're not, if you don't know what you're looking for. So, um, yeah, it's on your directories page if you need to find it.
Priscilla:
29:53
But like Alvin said, most of the time we have it built in for you so you don't even have to worry about it. I thought we did a good job. Alvin. Nice answering the question. Did we do a good job? Priscilla was a great friendship moment. I liked that. Okay. Um, the next question is about your episode order. Um, so I wanted to talk about how we decide on the order of your episodes, um, within your account. So what kind of dictates that order and then how you can reorder your episodes if you want to do that.
Alban:
30:25
Yeah. So first think about what order you actually want them to be in and why you want them in that order. You know, couple of reasons might be if you're doing a, a share that's just a periodic once a week show. Well you want the newer episodes to be at the top and people see those and the older episodes to be at the bottom and you just kind of moving forward. And so that's pretty easy because as you upload new ones, we'll go to the top automatically. You don't even think about it. What you run into are some issues when people want to upload the whole season and the uploading amount of order or their editing, deleting old episodes, bringing up old ones and mixing them up. Um, so, you know, maybe think about why you want them in a different order. Often it really is just most recent should be at the top.
Alban:
31:15
Um, I can, I don't want to jump into everything I give me if I'm leaving a little bit out here for Travis, maybe I'll leave you the Apple stuff inside. Buzzsprout the way to order them is by your upload or by the publish date. Yeah. And so you can upload a bunch and then say publish them in this order and we will order them by the published order and that's how they'll go in, um, in multiple are uploaded on the same day. Then we're doing on the same day. Exactly. Published on the same day. Then we're going to do's alphabetical order there.
Priscilla:
31:47
I don't think so. I think that, um, if you upload them on the same day, it's last edited and we'll push it to the top. Alphabetical. It's not, I don't think that's part of it. I think it's a long time since I was a running support. That's all right. Yeah. So I'm pretty sure that it's, so let's say that you, uh, are launching a podcast and you want three episodes to come in on the same day as part of your launch push, which is not uncommon. And then you're like, Whoa, episode three is before episode two. How do I switch the order to make sure
Alban:
32:19
now let's say your name is George Lucas and you started with emphasis,
Travis:
32:23
where's Tom? When you need him for this episode, then then what you can do it, what I've done in the past because I've run into this problem is you can either backdate the other episodes. So like let's say that you're launching all three on a Wednesday. You can make episode backdated to
Travis:
32:40
Tuesday and episode one backdated to Monday. So that even though, let's say it comes out on November 3rd, the episode would say November 1st and then that would guarantee that episode one is going to be before episode two, before episode three. Yeah, that's one way you could do it. Um, the other way that you could do it would be to go in and edit the episode that you want to appear at the top and then save it. And when it refreshes, it'll do that. That's not as clean. That's kind of like a hack to get your feet to look a certain way. It's really important that they're all published on the same day. Right. Um, so that's, so that's what I would, that's what I would recommend if you run into that very specific problem. Um, but then when Alvin alluded to as far as Apple was that when you organize your podcast episodes in Buzzsprout, that does not mean that does not override the listeners settings in their podcast app.
Travis:
33:36
So with Apple, if you say you have a serial podcast, then they're gonna organize it a little bit differently than if you have an episodic podcast. Um, and if the user says, I want these episodes at the top of my feed, even if they're, it's not the most recent Apple will honor that over how you have your feed set up. Um, so if it really matters the episode order, then I would just make sure that you have an episode number associated with the episode. And then like in the audio file say, Hey, this is episode 23. And so the listener knows, okay, this is episode 23, I missed 22, let me go back and find it. That's something you could do just to clue them in no matter what app they're listening on or what settings they have set up in that. Um, and then, but if it's not, then you don't have to make a, a huge deal out of making sure that everything comes out and exactly the correct order. Cause the, the end of the day when somebody finds your podcast and they're like listening to your back catalog, they're more than likely just gonna be skimming through and looking for titles that are appealing to them. And so it's really just for when you're first getting started and then as you push out episodes, um, you know, it's not, it's not as big of a deal, I guess, as as we can make it out to be.
:
34:49
Yeah. And one just last thing to say too is that when you, if you want to change the publish date of your episode to, to fix the order, um, when you go to the episode to actually change that date, you're not going to click the big green edit button, um, to change like content in the episode. You're going to edit that directly in the publishing box. That's kind of on the right side of the page. That's a separate editing. And so sometimes that can throw people off a little bit that they click the edit button and they don't know where to change that date, but that's kinda done separately in that publishing box. So just keep an eye out for that when you're, when you're changing your publish date. Yeah. One other best practice is sometimes people put a big number in the beginning of their title for every episode. So it was like episode four, nine two, episode four, nine three. And it, Apple said they've never
Alban:
35:38
been or like kicked it up. They don't keep podcasts out for this, but they have said, you know, it's not really the best experience, um, for people to have like tons of numbers in their title. Like they'd rather the title be clean and be actually show you what the episode's about. And so they have that field that Travis was talking about. So use that field of you're really tempted to put in numbers, try not put those in your title. It really isn't the best way to do it. And hopefully we get more adoption of the actual episode numbers. I'm taking precedent and they just look prettier in the podcast apps. So yeah.
Travis:
36:12
Yeah. There are certain apps that take that field, that specific field, which is if you're going through and uploading episode, do you have like season number, episode number? Um, certain apps will pull that in like Apple podcasts and then others don't yet. So yeah. Um, but yeah, over time we expect that more and more people will adopt that. Um, Apple kind of sets the bar as far as how podcast apps work and then others quickly catch up to what they're doing. Um, and so same thing with chapter markers when they started spraying chapter markers, all these other podcast apps started doing that as well. So if you need to put a uh, episode number in your episode, then use that field. Um, but if it's not something that's super important, you can totally get away with not having it and it won't, it won't ruin the experience for your listeners.
Travis:
36:59
Cool. That's all the questions I have. I just have two today. Those were good questions though, Priscilla. Hopefully, hopefully we helped you guys out. If you have a question that you would love for us to talk about, then click the link in the show notes. There's a little form of one question form you can say, Hey, I want you to talk about this on a future episode of us cast and, and we will bring it into the discussion of of what kinds of things we want to cover. And if you're not already a part of our Buzzsprout podcast community on Facebook, make sure that you go and join that as well. We're about to hit 4,000 members soon, which is nuts. But it's been super cool. We just had a new post to go out today where people were, uh, talking about how to find guests with each other and like connecting and, and that was really cool, seeing like over a hundred comments in the first two hours. I was reading through those today and it just, it was like so fun. I don't know, for me to look at it and just see these connections being made. Um, it's just really encouraging. I thought, Oh, how great this community is. It really is a very cool community, so you should join it if you're not already a part of it. It's very encouraging. Yes, absolutely. Only good people in there. So, um, but yeah, thanks for sticking around with us for another episode of us cast, and we'll catch you in the next one.
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