Brian Sanders (Food Lies docu-series)

Brian Sanders is a filmmaker, podcaster and speaker. He is the host of the top 5 nutrition podcast Peak Human. His upcoming docu-series “Food Lies” is about the sordid history of our dietary guidelines, what we should be eating, and how to do it sustainably. In this episode we discuss the carnivore diet, seed oils, the true cause of heart disease and more!

0:00:00 - Intro
0:00:13 - Doing Research & Science
0:03:30 - Brian's Interest in Health & Process
0:05:55 - U.S. Chronic Disease & Life Expectancy
0:09:25 - Mediterranean Diet & Meat in Diets
0:12:50 - Profit Margin & Processed Foods
0:14:25 - Ansel Keys, Cause of Heart Disease & Profit
0:17:02 - Seed Oils & Restaurant Food
0:22:17 - Brian's Diet, Raw Milk & Government Guidelines
0:28:30 - How Processed Foods Work
0:30:30 - Sugar
0:33:50 - Fiber
0:37:05 - Carnivore Diet, Ancestry, Chemicals in Food
0:41:30 - Red Meat & Eating Meat
0:45:20 - Eggs & Health
0:48:12 - Organic & GMO Foods
0:51:57 - Alcohol & Health
0:54:20 - Coffee & Health
0:57:02 - Protein Powders
1:01:40 - Intermittent Fasting
1:04:10 - Cheat Meals
1:08:30 - Bugs in Food & Climate Movie
1:12:40 - Promotion
1:13:29 - Outro

Food Lies website:
https://www.foodlies.org/

Nose To Tail website:
https://nosetotail.org/

Chuck Shute Linktree:
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Transcript

Chuck Shute: 0:12

Because when is this movie coming out? Or the sorry, doll?

Brian Sanders: 0:15

Yeah. I don't know. We're pitching it around now. But yeah, maybe it'll be quite a while, it seems that these things take forever. And we have to finish the series to. So again, turn it into a series. So it'll be a while. It's

Chuck Shute: 0:29

really exciting. Because I mean, I just found you, I think on Instagram, and people should definitely follow your Instagram, food lies. It's amazing. You post the coolest stuff. It's the most informative, but also, it's like, so interesting. And funny. Great stuff on there. And so you've been doing research for this Docu series for like, what, six years?

Unknown: 0:49

Yeah, over six years now. Yeah.

Chuck Shute: 0:51

So you must know a lot. I mean, I people say I do my research. But six years since like, I mean, you must know everything about food at this point.

Unknown: 1:01

Well, there's always something new to learn. But I have come to some good conclusions over the years and learned a lot and kind of relearn things and zoomed out a bit. And you know, like thought that I knew a lot and then realized I don't and then I learned more, and then you keep zooming out until you can't really debunk yourself. So I think it's best to try to do that, actually, is try to debunk yourself. Yeah,

Chuck Shute: 1:28

I liked I heard you say that, that that is what science is about, is that you think of sort of a theory. And then you try to disprove yourself, you try to debunk your own theory, not the other way around, which is what we're now science is turning into is like, hey, we think this and we're gonna try to prove it and prove you wrong and spend a bunch of money to prove that we're right.

Unknown: 1:49

Exactly, yeah, that's how science is done that the nutrition science, a lot of stuff is done that way. Also, this what how the vegetarian stuff goes. So people might have seen the Blue Zones. There's a new documentary on Netflix, or a little Docu series. And it's exactly what happened is a guy named Dan Buettner, for, I don't know, 20 years now more, has been just trying to prove that we should be vegetarian. Without any actual science. He's just kind of going around because this was his preconceived notion that we should be vegetarian just based on his personal beliefs. And then he went around and tried to reverse engineer that. And so I actually yeah, there's a lot of good people debunking him, though.

Chuck Shute: 2:35

Well, yeah. And you have that film on your YouTube channel that people can watch for free game changers debunked. There's two there. I guess there's two versions, one, just the regular and then one with deleted scenes. I watched the deleted scenes. I thought the deleted scenes were hilarious. Firstly,

Unknown: 2:48

we tried to have fun with that. It was Dr. Shawn Baker's idea. He's hilarious, you know, big meat eating guy. And he just wanted to do some skits.

Chuck Shute: 2:56

Yeah. So explain. I know, You've told the story a million times, but just the whole background. You know, you started mechanical engineering, and then you turned 30. And some things happen to your parents. Can you explain that whole thing to my audience? Why you got interested in this topic? Yeah,

Unknown: 3:10

yeah. 30, I lost both my parents at 30. And it was kind of a wake up call. And it was a, it was actually really, at the same time that I started getting the DadBod. And kind of going downhill with my house. A lot of times it happens at 30. And really what happens at 30 is a lot of people just can't get away with the modern diet and lifestyle. So that's really what happens is that you kind of get away with it while you're young, and then it catches up to you. And so you have to make some changes, and I just started eating properly. And my whole life changed. It was so it was so easy. Like I just stopped eating like bread and pasta and seed oils and stuff. And it just happened naturally. And I just went to a more natural human diet, which you know, we'll explore later, but I had chronic conditions myself, I had all these overuse injuries and inflammation in my arms and wrists and body from using the computer. I had acid reflux, I had joint pain, I had really just extra 25 pounds of fat all around my body. And then I lost all that when I just made a few simple changes to my diet. And I thought, well, I just need to tell the world about this. So I quit my job and just started doing this full time. That's

Chuck Shute: 4:30

amazing. Yeah, the before and after pictures are pretty spectacular. So did you is the before and after. Is that strictly from diet or do you change a workout thing to?

Unknown: 4:41

Well, I work out less now. So yeah, I used to. I'm not a big fan of jogging. I think they're I mean if any exercise people do is good. But I was just trying to outrun my bad diet back in the day and I just think this steady state cardio you people sitting on a treadmill for 45 minutes isn't really helping anyone. And you need to change your diet first. And that's most important. And then also, I just changed. Instead of doing that I started sprinting for very short times instead, or lifting weights very I do this quick and efficient workout, that's only 30 minutes twice a week. So I've never spent more than an hour in the gym in a week. It is ever, like how

Chuck Shute: 5:26

I'm working out six or seven days a week, and I don't look like you like I maybe I need to switch to your workout or your

Unknown: 5:33

I do teach it. Yeah, that I it's a whole thing I learned through all my interviews in the last six years, I interviewed muscle protein researchers, you know, exercise scientists, all this type of stuff, and kind of found the most efficient way to work out.

Chuck Shute: 5:49

Wow, okay, we'll have to explore that. But yeah, so I mean, the basic thing is, this, this applies to literally everyone, especially in America. I mean, we're going through a health epidemic, there's so much chronic disease, and I'm the same as you I had the acid reflux, I don't have it anymore, unless I start eating crappy again. But you know, but essentially, I think the hasn't the life expectancy in the US actually gone down. For the first time in though Yeah.

Unknown: 6:14

Oh, it's been in the US. So it's gone up, you know. So as we got better nutrition, and we got better medicine, it's gone up in the last 100 years. And then finally, in the last four years about it's gone down and weighed worse than other nations, too. If you look at these graphs, like us is tanking. And some other countries that are you know, I guess eating better than us doing some other things better than us, it's doing fine. So I think there's a lot going on here. But I really think that the foundation is food and what we eat, and that's kind of what we're proving in the food lies series is that food matters most, because a lot of people will blame it on other things, right? They'll say, Oh, it's just genetics, like, well, our mortality. rates of death are going crazy right now. Right? Our life is C shortening. So why why that's our genetics didn't change the last four years. Yeah.

Chuck Shute: 7:09

But so like, in 1860, the average lifespan was 39. And then in 2020, it was like 78. So it has increased a lot in that time. But now it's going we're going backwards. So but what is change? Because I know like, you know, I think at one point, like people didn't have all this chronic disease like, and now it says, like, people say that ever, all these older people, everyone's on all these medications, which I guess you know, some of these things can keep you alive. But then what kind of life do you have? I mean, it's like you said, was it your mom or dad that had Alzheimer's? And? Yeah, yeah. And so it's like, I feel like there's all this and how many people have diabetes or pre diabetes? And all these other things? Is there? I mean, you're saying that through diet and exercise, we can avoid a lot of these chronic diseases?

Unknown: 7:56

Yeah, so back in the day, we would die of different things there was we die of malnutrition things we die of infectious diseases, we we die of things that we couldn't prevent until recently. And now we're just dying of chronic diseases, which are really accepted. Yeah, at least mainstream accepts that something to do with diet and lifestyle. Most of people accept that. And so yeah, the back of the day used to be very rare to die of, of some of these cancers, or Alzheimer's, we didn't really have it, like, we didn't really have the names for some of these things. And so it really all came in with the invention of all the processed foods. And everyone likes to you know, blame it on one thing or another. But if you look hard enough, you know, somebody will say, Oh, well, we're using iPads now. And everyone's just sedentary. And I say, yes, it's not good to be sedentary, of course, you want to do some sort of exercise, but that is not causing this massive disease and early death, right, you can kind of rule out all of the other things and what you're left with is diet. Yeah.

Chuck Shute: 9:05

Okay. So like, let's talk about the things that I think most people will agree on. Avoiding, you know, drugs, like street drugs, avoiding smoking, trying to get about eight hours of sleep, doing some kind of exercise. Those things are pretty well established. But diet is such a debate. I mean, it really is because like my doctor told me, Mediterranean diet, what is your what are your thoughts on that? Yeah,

Unknown: 9:32

so this is the nuance here, right? This is why we have to make a six part series is that the meditated Mediterranean diet is is fine. You know, and what the doctor is using is kind of epidemiology and these, you know, looking at entire countries and trying to make conclusions, and you have to do a lot more than that. But we're in the Mediterranean, people are eating whole foods, they're eating a lot more whole foods, they're preparing their foods, you know, traditionally they would make meals from scratch, they would be grown locally, they would be seasonal. This would include a lot of fish, a lot of just whatever animals, you know, meat they had around them, homemade fruits, vegetables, whatever. And yeah, maybe some pastas and bread. And maybe it wasn't so bad if you're raising them without covering them and glyphosate. And you know, we, in the US, we have a lot more problems with how we're raising our crops. And so the Mediterranean diet is a decent diet in my book, you know, I have no problem with that. It's just what is the Mediterranean diet and a lot of people don't know what it actually is. I talked to food researchers and sociologists paleoanthropologists people that go and study this stuff. And they go to the Mediterranean and the modern Mediterranean diet is not what keeps people healthy. Right? It's they're having their own problems with all these processed foods and different ways of doing things. But the traditional Mediterranean diet is simple. Meat, eggs, seafood, Whole Foods, and some like more homemade breads and pastas that weren't really the main dish. It's not like you go to the like Olive Garden, and you're getting pounds and pounds of bread and pasta. You're getting pounds and pounds of fresh foods and fish and meat and you know, vegetables and then there's like little side dishes.

Chuck Shute: 11:25

Right? That's where I had Vinnie torta rich on I'm not I'm not sure if

Unknown: 11:29

I know that. Yeah, I was made food lies with him, actually. Okay, he's

Chuck Shute: 11:32

a cool guy. But he was talking about how when all this stuff first came out, because he was a personal trainer, and when he heard like the food pyramid, he's like, all the trainers were like, what the hell this is totally BS because and he had an interesting point about Italian food. You know, because usually Italian food was like, you know, giant meatballs and stuff. And then the pot the pasta part was kind of like the side of it like the garnish almost or whatever, like, and he said the one that was like, mostly is it pasta primavera? I can't remember one of them. He's like, That's the pasta of the horror is what is what it's called, actually. And so that was like the low class pasta was the one that was mostly the carbs like the meat stuff. The meat heavy pastas were what the rich and the high class people ate in Italy. I'm sure you probably studied absolutely

Unknown: 12:16

no, absolutely. Basically, meat and fish for all of history was a sign of prosperity. It was what people strived for. It's why they worked daily was to afford the meat to put on the table. And this was a centerpiece. I mean, just looking, even in America in the 1950s, look, get a photo of a family dinner. And there's a deep roast in the middle of the table. So this was always what humans knew as the best nutrition. And then slowly, the I don't know corporate interests came in there's there's a lot of profit in selling these processed foods. And I realized that that's how the world works. And they can shape the entire society using that high profit margin. So I have an example. So I have a company called nose to tail. We just do the best regenerative meat right, really high quality, like the ranchers are out there moving the cattle each day. It's just all natural. I make no money on it. It like you can't make there's no profit margin. Right? Maybe even if we did have enough revenue, there's no profit margin on that revenue. Right?

Chuck Shute: 13:17

Wouldn't couldn't you just charge more but then you won't sell any? Yeah, exact

Unknown: 13:20

No, there's a certain is already is expensive, and people will. There's only so much you can pay for a steak. So there's no profit margin on it. I'm telling even if you did raise prices, it's still you'd go from like, 10% profit to like 12% profit margin. Then you look at cereal or pasta. It's like 90% profit margin. It's in a completely different ballgame.

Chuck Shute: 13:42

That's crazy. This isn't

Unknown: 13:45

how the world works. Yeah. So it's like, if you process a bunch of grains, especially that they're subsidized by the government, and you have a box of cereal, the box might cost more than the cereal, right? You maybe have three sets of cereal, you have four cents of box and then you sell it for $6 This is going to give you and then he times that by a billion you know these Kellogg's will sell billions of boxes to cereal per year. Okay, then you can do all of the marketing, right? You blanket children's TV shows with advertisements for cereal, you blanket the news. Everything is just new blanket

Chuck Shute: 14:23

the government the food pyramid, that's totally corrupted, right? Yeah, man. There's a whole story they told us like you got to eat a lot of bread. It was this Ancel Keys guy who was like I hear is like a con artist that came up with a study.

Unknown: 14:35

Yeah, so Ancel Keys, we go through that story. You know, Vinnie made a film that like covered a lot of this. We're kind of just covering it in brief detail, because this story has been told but yeah, there was this debate in the 50s of what was causing heart disease. And we kind of know what was causing heart disease back then. They weren't starting to use all Yeah, they all they had all these fake oils. They're using margarine. They're smoking. People are Smoking and doors are smoking with their baby in the car with a windows rolled up. It was wild men, right? It was wild. But

Chuck Shute: 15:06

there hasn't martinis at lunch and stuff. That's probably not good either. I'm guessing.

Unknown: 15:10

Oh, no, no, this is not good. And so they blamed it on fat. And there's a whole story with Ancel Keys kind of getting data, the same thing, right? He comes, He came in with this preconceived idea that it was saturated fat. And so he cherry picked the seven countries out of 22. And made it seem like that saturated fat was a problem, right? But when you look at all the data, you find that that there was no distinct trend line that just showed that the more saturated fat they ate, the more they get heart disease, and that there's much more to the equation.

Chuck Shute: 15:42

Yeah, well, I'll explain this to me, because it's so funny, even in my college nutrition class. This was in the 90s, back a long time ago, but they told me that margarine was better than butter. And butter was bad. And so I remember like, you know, my parents had that. And you remember, like, I can't believe it's not butter. This Yeah. And my parents had that my parents would follow this stuff, too. And I remember using that, and my sister would be joking like that they should call it I can't believe it's not cancer, because it's just all these chemicals. And like, looking back, I'm like, Oh, my God, why? What was I thinking like, eating that stuff? But that's what like they taught us in nutrition.

Unknown: 16:18

Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying. There's a lot of money in it. So they can do all the marketing, they can do all the lobbying. And they can do all these fake studies. I'm telling you, they like once you really wake up to this, you realize that's how the world works is if you have this huge profit margin, and you have these huge industries based on making billions of dollars per year on selling you this stuff, then you can do a lot, you can do a lot of lobbying and a lot of influence. Went to keep this going.

Chuck Shute: 16:48

Oh, yeah, I just had that gift go through my head of like the Scarface when they have the money. Have you seen that one? You know, I'm talking about Yeah, the money. And they're just laughing all the cigars. And so yeah, I mean, I feel like that's real, though. That's what happened with So explain the seed oils. Because the seed oil, it's everywhere. And so I mean, it's in restaurants, not only in the salad dressings, but like how they cook the food. What is the deal with that? Why is that in so many places? And why is that bad for you? Well,

Unknown: 17:17

yeah, that's it's the, it's like the margarine story. So in the early 1900s, they invented this process to take basically a waste product. It was like a kind of a machine lubricant, they used it for other stuff to cottonseed oil, and they were just like, What can we use this for, and they finally invented this 16 step process that with deodorizes and bleaches, and uses like hexane solvents to make this waste products into something edible. And then they had this whole marketing campaign to tell people to use it, that it was like, oh, that's it's cleaner than your mom's lard, you know, don't use the natural fat. So they kind of like leveraged this kind of innovation thing in the early 1900s. Everything was about, you know, the newest best appliances and advertising to the housewife of like, modernize your kitchen with, you know, Crisco, you know, don't use the, you know, use these great new products. So, the margins and the trans fats, at least we figured out those are bad, right? So these are these hydrogenated oils, and that were made from the seed oils. And at least we figured out that those are bad, right? So people stopped using them. And there's, you know, some government stepped in and said, You can't use these anymore, but they still allow the seed oils, right. So this is just anything that comes from a seed anything that's not a fruit, so the good oils, will really the good fats are our animal fats, anything from an animal fat is natural. It's what we've always eaten. For all of history, we've always eaten animal fats. And then when you look at the oils, fruit oils, or good coconut oil, olive oil, avocado oil, these are three fruits that people have been getting oil from naturally, right, you don't need the 16 step process. You just smash them and you get oil. Yeah. And it's also a completely different fatty acid composition. So one of the main problems too is the seed oils are just high in polyunsaturated fats, and they can oxidize easily, and they incorporate into your body. So you don't want this different type of fat incorporated into your cells that we're not used to. Right. If you get this high amount of these seed oils, that's highly unsaturated these polyunsaturated, it can oxidize easily and it doesn't. It's just not what our cell wants. Right.

Chuck Shute: 19:35

So what are examples of seed oil like canola oil? Is that a seed oil or?

Unknown: 19:39

Yeah, all of that canola? We, we would I think what is a Chipotle us is like a wheat bran oil or something who there's just anything that's not all the way the new oil is that bad. Oil is terrible. This is what's mainly use. It's one of the cheapest oils, so they use these in fryers. And what's especially about as these oils that sit in the fryers all day, and they're even reused and reused, and they're heated and they go up and down. This is just getting more and more oxidized and just more and more bad for you. And you, they stay in your body for years. So really, you know, people will say, Oh, fried food is bad. And then they just blame fat. I'm like, Well, no, fried food is bad, because it's using the wrong kind of fat. And you're frying everything in these unnatural oils. And then yes, it is bad. This is one of the main things I absolutely avoid. Like I do not eat fried food that's fried in oil. If I eat any fried food at all, it would be something that someone made by hand fried and be fat. Right? Like, yeah, so

Chuck Shute: 20:42

you don't eat any fast food, even like just like a cheat meal or anything like that. No,

Unknown: 20:47

I don't I barely eat at restaurants. People think I'm, like, strict or crazy or extreme. But really just over the past, well, it's been 10 years, six years, just full time. But 10 years, I slowly got just disinterested in restaurant food, you know, and it takes it's a process. I'm not saying people listening are gonna, you know, all of a sudden change their entire life and never go to restaurant again. But I go to restaurants like once every three months, I just don't, I just doesn't interest me, I can make better food at home. You know, I'm

Chuck Shute: 21:19

starting to get to that point, too. I'm starting to eat more and more at home. And like, I was talking to my girlfriend, we're like, because we travel, we'll do like a road trip. And then like us, like Want to have lunch, you know, like on a day trip or something. And I go this weekend, I want to do a day trip. But I wanted to bring a cooler and I want to bring my own food because you try to go to a restaurant, you try to eat healthy, and it's just, it's a gamble. You know, you're probably right. They're probably using soybean oil, all this terrible stuff. And it's like, I'd rather just bring my own food.

Unknown: 21:47

Yeah, it's hard to find good food. I mean, you don't have to like go too crazy. You know, if I'm like just traveling, I really can't eat something. I can find something to order where you can just order, you know, beef patties or something. And hopefully they won't cover them in oil. Or you can ask them to not cook them oil, but you can eat Yeah, you could get simple foods from a restaurant and yeah, there's ways to do it. But just Yeah. So what

Chuck Shute: 22:15

is your diet now? It's like you eat red meat, eggs, mushroom and onions. I saw at one point and now you're you've added some veggies, like some sweet potatoes like low glycemic kind of veggies.

Unknown: 22:26

Yeah, yeah. So it's changed over the years, but it's always just around real food. And it's around animal foods as the base. Right? This is the foundation of health. And this is what it's always been for human history. Unless we were poor and starving. Right? Like you said, it's like, yeah, we everyone has to fill up on bread and pasta now, because it's cheap. It's cheap filler. And that's not what we used to do. And so yeah, I eat any kind of red meats, fish eggs. I have. Yeah, just simple vegetables on the side that I cook are fermented vegetables. And then I have fruit for dessert. I have raw milk. I have cheeses, you know, it's just, it's really like delicious and simple. It's just you have to kind of not buy into the mainstream idea of what you should be eating. Explain

Chuck Shute: 23:23

the raw milk thing because it doesn't our government say like don't drink raw milk, you'll die. And then other people say I hear that raw milk is better than pasteurized. Is that the other kind of milk? Yeah, yeah. What is it?

Unknown: 23:36

Well, pasteurization kills all the good enzymes that it killed, it changes the chemical structure of the milk, actually, you can look at it under a microscope, you could probably Google it and find you know, raw milk and pasteurized milk and see the difference and it has the structure still intact. It's a completely different substance. It also has all the enzymes still in it. So you need those enzymes to be able to digest the milk. So a lot of people think that they are lactose intolerant, but they aren't. They're just drinking pasteurized milk because 99% of milk, any dairy products you buy is pasteurized more than 99% You have to really go out of your way to find raw milk. But so I had problems with dairy too. So I thought, Oh, well, I've just, you know, don't do well with dairy and it makes me have allergies, or it could make you know, have different reactions. Then I started drinking raw milk, and I get absolutely nothing. It's amazing. It's just you can digest it perfectly well. You feel great. And it's just a great source of nutrients.

Chuck Shute: 24:34

So what is the why does why do they pasteurize it is something to kill bacteria like the bat, is there some risk of something bad happening from drinking raw milk?

Unknown: 24:43

I mean, there's always a risk. But really, if you look at the risk of foodborne illness, it's mainly from vegetables there. You don't I mean, okay, well, if we're trying to feed 8 billion people, there's always things that go bad, and most of it is is actually from things like lettuce and leafy greens that that have a lot of stuff that catch the on the leaves, right? And that they're still present when you buy them at the store, and then you can get sick from it. Then there's other, you know, meat can go bad, right? If you don't handle it properly, or there could be some better, everything has a risk, but raw milk. It's funny because it actually there's like some of the least cases of illness from raw milk. And people will say, Oh, partly because they have government regulations now and all that, but it's really I mean, I can't recommend people drink raw milk, it's it's legal and more than half the states. It's, it's just that it what's okay, this is a good point, what's good, what what helps the masses, what helps government bodies, and what helps big manufacturers usually isn't good for the individual. Right? So we have to make decision based on huge populations of 100 million people, 300 million people right in the US. And so they're just like, well, we it's raw milk is healthier. And I'm pretty sure these food scientists at the USDA know this, because this base, it's just common sense and common knowledge that raw milk has the act of enzymes that you need to drink it, and this is what we've been eating for all history. But maybe there was a lawsuit 30 years ago, or someone got sick from the raw milk. So it's better to just regulate it, and just say that it has to be pasteurized, and then there's a whole money making thing to and certifying it and Pat and doing this whole thing. So it's like, yes, it's better to just make these broad, sweeping things, for the powers that be or for, you know, things at the top. But that usually is kind of bad for the individual. So there's like kind of a law of nature that I realized over the years is, why is everything so bad? Why is the food pyramid upside down and backwards? Well, you just it's just better. For the powers that be it's better for the corporate interest. It's all that and then they're paying, they're doing other lobbying. And it's just easier and more profitable to have these systems that hurt the individual. Right. So what's for individual health, I usually do the opposite of what the guidelines are. And

Chuck Shute: 27:09

a lot of people that are healthier I you know, I try to look to the people that are healthy, and say, Okay, what are you doing? Because you're, you're in good health? You look good. What I want to follow your rules and the government, I don't think they want the people that are following those guidelines are usually not healthy.

Unknown: 27:25

But yeah, I mean, that's just a law of nature, though. Like how it works is like what's good for the top is usually bad for the bottom. Right? It's like what's good for the CEO of the company, is not really great for the janitor. Yeah, it's just like how it works. I'm just telling you that it's not like these guys are that evil. They're just trying to get paid and do their thing. And, you know, they justified

Chuck Shute: 27:48

in a boardroom to try to, you know, decrease profit, and make people healthier, or you can increase profit and make people sicker. Like, if you're if you're in the business of making money, and you're not in the business of ethics, then I guess that's a good sell for the boardroom.

Unknown: 28:05

It's exactly what's what's what has to happen, what has to happen, they are legally responsible to make profits for the shareholders, right? These big come, they cannot just make decisions based on that, that's actually against the law of commerce and right of like, their, their entire company would would fall apart and they would get fired. So I actually realized this, how processed foods work, it's actually the opposite incentive. So processed foods are, the more they process them and put in things like seed oils, added sugar, refined grains, all these cheap ingredients, the less nutrition they have, and the more people will overeat them. Also, flavorings, so no, but there's so it's actually the exact opposite incentive. So they have no incentive to keep people healthy. They they actually get paid more, they sell more boxes of cereal, or whatever it is packages of snacks, if they put less nutrition in them, because this is how the human body works. It seeks nutrition, like we have sensors in our body that detect things like a protein of savory flavor, right? So if you put chips and you put like a fake savory flavor on it, and you put no nutrition in it, right, you put no protein, there's no minerals and vitamins, then your body will eat them. And they will think that it's getting some protein maybe because that savory flavor, fall of history mantle, you're getting protein and nutrients, but we don't. So your body keeps eating. Right. So your body keeps eating these empty foods and they have the taglines, once you pop, you can't stop or bet you can't eat just one. And this is true, because they found out the less nutrients they put in the less protein and the less nutrients they have in a food, the more people will eat it. So it's actually exactly a pose to your health. Yeah,

Chuck Shute: 29:57

I saw that you posted a clip about that with I think it was to read Was there something I was like, Oh, that is so fascinating. So smart, but so evil at the same time. It's super evil.

Unknown: 30:08

Yeah, but they just they're but I mean, they have no duty to make a health food. It's not like they're a weight loss clinic. And that drill, right like weight loss clinic is incentivized to have you lose weight. Right, right. That's the whole day. The fast food like the chips, Doritos has zero incentive to do anything other than get you to eat more chips.

Chuck Shute: 30:28

Yeah. Well, so talk about sugar because I can't remember what is the documentary that was it food Incorporated, or one of them like really focuses on sugar and how they've, how they process that how cheap it is how they put it in every frickin food, like, check your food labels like it's in like peanut butter and like random things. And bread and stuff are like, Why is there sugar and bread and peanut butter? And I think the biggest thing is soda. And I mean, I'm guilty of this too, because I love a Coke Zero vanilla cherry Cokes. Oh, it's so good. But it's so terrible for especially the diet sodas or even worse than the sugary sodas, right?

Unknown: 31:04

Well, yeah, I mean, a lot of people have different opinions on that. But I mean, this sugar, or at least it doesn't have sugar in it. But you could get in trouble with all these fake chemicals and your body is still tricked kind of into thinking that it's sweet. So there could be some bad effects. People say there's bad effects to the gut microbiome from the fake sweeteners. So there's a lot going on there. But but to the sugar topic. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's the excess of all this, right? Like sugar in itself, like, Okay, sweet. Like if you ate fruit back in the day, or honey, that wasn't it's not just poison. It's not like all you just get cancer and you die because you ate some sugar from fruit. Right? But if what they found out is it's way cheaper to add it in to everything. And yes, you're right, everything you look at your ketchup, it's filled with corn syrup. It's like, you know, could be like 20 grams of sugar you didn't even know you're getting, because it doesn't even taste sweet. Really, ketchup doesn't really taste that sweet. Unless you really think about you're like, oh, wait, this does taste a little sweet. Then you look at the bottle. And so it's like, people are getting so much sugar. It's added everywhere. And it's displacing good nutrition. So these are the kinds of nuances that people don't really think about that often is that it's not that, oh, like sugar is toxic, because you can jump ahead and cause like, Okay, people have cancer, and they're like, Oh, there's the sugar set, the cells are running on sugar. And so you it's causing cancer and this and that, like, kind of does this make sense? Like yet if you if you're eating, if your metabolism is messed up, you're eating sugar all day, every day, then this is causing metabolic problems, and it's definitely causing these dizzy, chronic diseases. But the main point is that it's not like sugar is just inherently toxic. Right? Because a lot of people I look at both sides of these arguments, people were like, Oh, well, I eat, you know, I there's like fruitarians that eat of just pure fruit. And they eat a lot of, quote, sugar, but they're very skinny. And they're okay, well, they're, they're malnourished, but they're, they don't look great. And they have other problems. But still, it shows that it's the quantities, right? It's the quantities that matter. And so I'm not afraid of eating fruit I was. So I did go more low carb for a long time. You know, I've tried the different diets. I've done keto I've done low carb, I've done this stuff. But now I'm eating more fruit and eating sweet potatoes, like you said, you know, eating foods in their whole form. And that's completely different than eating just straight sugar. Yeah,

Chuck Shute: 33:43

well, because if you eat an apple, it's sweet. And it's got sugar in it, but it's also got fiber. So talk about fiber, because I think that was a little bit of a theory with the food pyramid. And that's what I learned in nutrition classes that fiber is really good for you. You need most Americans not getting enough fiber fiber prevents colon cancer, fiber can help fight heart disease. And so when you're eating a meat heavy diet, how do you get enough fiber? Or do you need fiber? Is that a myth?

Unknown: 34:08

Oh, fiber is the longest story. It's such a nuanced thing. It's kind of soy fiber. There's nothing inherently healthy about fiber. This is association. So I'm not saying fiber is bad. Stay with me. So okay. That all that means is people are eating whole foods. Okay, so this is a lot of nutrition stuff. You kind of get lost in in some of the details where you don't actually need fiber. It's just that people who eat more fiber are eating less junk. Does this make sense? Like it's your it's like

Chuck Shute: 34:47

you were saying before with the sugar how the sugar is displacing the nutrition that you should be getting? Yes,

Unknown: 34:54

so fine. So you get some fiber in a sense is good, but I don't I don't say that the fiber is magical. It's just that you it's not like that diet. People are lacking fiber. It's they are filled up on processed foods. And if you're eating more fiber, that means you're eating real foods. So, so part of the way to prove this as you look at carnivores, right, there's a lot of carnivore diet people out there. You're not me. I enjoy me. I eat a lot of meat. I'm friends with all these carnivore people. People have been doing it for 20 years. You know, there's, there's some of these people that are doing it. Like Shaun Baker famously has been doing it for like nine years, 10 years. There's other people doing it. For 20 years. There's actually a rancher lady that I'm going to interview that's been doing it for like 50 years. She's, she's in her 70s and looks incredible while Maggie, like she, like people don't believe her, I posted about her. My friend, Dr. Anthony Chafee visited her and saw her driver's license in person and verified her age. I think she might be at now. And she looks like she's 40. It's incredible. And so she's not eating fiber. I'm telling like anyone, there's huge populations of people that don't eat fiber for most of the year. Right. And super healthy. You go in the Arctic, I've interviewed some of these people. They just eat reindeer meat and fish. And just whatever it right they don't have fiber. Throughout history. There was we were in an ice age for 10s of 1000s of years. We were not eating plants. For that time. We were up hunting, woolly mammoth and giant bison and stuff. Yeah, so it's not necessarily it's good, but it's not I'm saying it's bad. Like can be bad for some people. Actually, some people get in trouble with fiber, where they get like IBS and Crohn's and these different inflammatory diseases, because they have an autoimmune reaction. And it partly could be too much fiber, too much roughage and it's irritating their gut and they get rid of it. And all of their symptoms clear. They even did a study where they had there was a study on constipation, and that there's different groups and they gave different amounts of fiber and one group got zero fiber, and a group with zero fiber 100% cured the constipation.

Chuck Shute: 37:01

Wow. Well, so in talking about that, like eating, is there different diets for your genetics or whatever? Because I know like Jordan Peterson and his daughter, Mikayla Peterson, they do the carnivore, or they do, she does this thing called the lion diet, which is even like the next level carnivore diet. Like it's only land animals. It's super strict. But she got rid of all her autoimmune issues and stuff. So there was a guy at my gym, and he was talking about how, Oh, he's got a, I think the rheumatoid arthritis or some sort of, and he's a young guy. And I was like, oh, have you tried, like the carnivore diet? And he goes, Oh, well, that only works for people of Nordic descent, because they're the Peterson people, or they're from Nordic descent. He's like, most people, that diet doesn't work. You understand that?

Unknown: 37:46

I mean, I understand where he's coming from. And it is a theory. And I'm not gonna say it's completely wrong, but I don't think it's correct. I think that we're all humans, we're all homeless sapiens. And, you know, we all came from meat eaters, and there was times in history, most of history, where we had to rely on just animal foods for maybe most nine months of the year. And so, we are all kind of different. And yet, there's a lot of stuff going on. And people have a lot more problems these days. And that because there's our toxic environment has, you know, all these things attacking us. So yes, things can work differently for different people, and there's different predispositions and stuff like that. But I think that any human can eat just animal foods for a period of time, and reverse a lot of problems and be fine. But I'm not saying I don't recommend carnivore diets to people, you know, I, I think it's a modality, right? It's a intervention that you can use. So maybe there someone's could say, well, it's not, it's not good long term, or this didn't work for me, because I didn't feel right. For the for, you know, it's like, well, you need to be adapted to it. Like, going keto, it doesn't feel right. You know, after you stop eating all these carbs, your body craves them, and you have a transition to fat burning, and you feel low energy, and it's hard to work out, and then you get past it, and then it can work. You know, there's all these things that go on with these different diets. And, and I don't think people should do them long term either, because people are like, Oh, well, I did it for a year. And then I started having these problems on gab. We don't need to do carnivore forever.

Chuck Shute: 39:31

But as in part of the theory, too, with carnivore is that if you just eat meat, so now you're not eating the processed stuff, which is terrible for you. But also it may be too, that even the fruits and vegetables can be bad for people not necessarily because fruits and vegetables are bad, but because of all the stuff these chemicals that were spraying. What do you call the Glice glyphosate and say, yeah, these terrible things that are being sprayed on our chemicals or our soil like, I don't know all the science panned out, but I just know that You know, whatever we don't know, I mean, I don't know all that you probably know more than I do about what is being sprayed in our foods are fruits and vegetables, and definitely like anything sort of bread or whatever I know like in Europe, people who are gluten intolerant go to Europe and they eat the bread and they're fine. So there's some things that chemicals that are being put in our foods that are really bad for people. So if they just eat a meat diet, and they're just getting literal meat, the meat acts as like a, it's filtering a lot of the stuff that we're eating and kind of acts as the middleman.

Unknown: 40:29

Yeah, so all that, I kind of agree with that. So I'm not saying that people need to avoid all the fruits and vegetables, but they could probably have great benefits, because they're not getting all of those different chemicals and things and there's a lot of anti nutrients, just it like I don't eat kale or spinach anymore. There's a lot of oxalates in that. And I had problems site, drink kale and spinach shakes every day, for years back in the day. And that's just not natural. That's not how humans ate. And so I have problems with oxalates. So that and there's also these leaves are covered. And yeah, in the pesticides and stuff. So if you get rid of those, then you probably will see a lot of improvements. But again, you can also just add back in some organic fruits and certain vegetables, fermented vegetables, and you won't have these problems and you can like eat a more normal diet that's sustainable for you. Right? Like, I don't think people need to go so extreme with the carnivores.

Chuck Shute: 41:30

So what are your thoughts explain red meat, because that's one that's gone. It's been demonized. And even my dad, he got cancer. And after he got the cancer, his doctor told him to avoid red meat so that you know, the cancer wouldn't flare back up or whatever. And explain also the difference between grass fed and corn fed because that is that make a huge difference. Like is corn fed beef? Pretty is that bad for you? I mean, I know grass fed is better. But is corn fed awful? Or is it that big of a difference?

Unknown: 41:59

Ah, it depends on who you ask. So I have I have a whole grass fed and refinished finish regenerative meat company, so people will think I would say that you can only eat the grass fed and finished meat. But I actually don't say that because I've I just don't believe in that. Extreme. I feel like there's so many people that can't afford that. And they're, they're gonna, they're gonna do a lot better if they eat normal grocery store meat than any other food out there. And I've seen it I know tons of doctors and people personally that have completely changed their health reversed conduct is chronic conditions, and lost even hundreds of pounds eating grocery store meat, regular grass. Just whatever feedlot right corn fed, or it's a it's a bunch of it's not just corn, right? It's just, it's just all kinds of things completely changed their entire life just by eating meat from the grocery store. So there's no problem with it. There might be well, now there is definitely benefits to eating the grass fed and finished up right there is a whole host of secondary compounds that are in them. It's a better fat profile. Right? It has more omega threes compared to omega sixes, which is there's there's a lot going on, but it's just not required. Right. So meat. Yeah. Thinking that meat causes cancer is the biggest lie. Right? My my series is called Food lies and my Instagram is food lies. The biggest lie is that meat is bad for us. It makes no sense. It's, I think it's a big propaganda tool that keeps the status quo that keeps the food industries in business, right, that keeps this whole system the way it is, is they have to have an enemy. Right so that the enemy has been animal fat, saturated fat, and red meat. Since Ancel. Keys really, that's a brown that was 1950s when that all started before that, for all of history and even around the world to people who who don't bind to the guidelines still know this, that meat and animal fat were the healthiest foods we can eat the most nutrient dense and bioavailable nutrition we can get. And the lowest price foods that we've always eaten. And then they need to blame an enemy so they it was a good one because if meat and fat are bad, then you have to eat then all the other you know low fat products are good, right? And they can just sell cheap corn wheat and soy bread pasta, the whole food pyramid. It's just it's just all a big racket really. And you have to realize that like it's actually incomprehensible that eating meat would be bad for us. Right any food. Any species on Earth any animal eats a diet that from their environment, right? It's just a koala bear eats the leaves you know that. The lion eats zebra the zebra eats the grass like this is just how animals live. And it's this is why they're healthy. It's that it The diet that they evolved on is what they're made for. And so it makes no sense that red meat would be the problem, you have to realize what came into the diet. What changed, right? Like what changed with the disease came in. And it was, of course, all the processed foods and unnatural oils and added sugars and just Yeah, refined foods. Well, then what

Chuck Shute: 45:22

about the eggs? Because they've gone back and forth with this. I mean, they've said, don't eat eggs. No, eggs are good. No, just the egg whites don't eat the yolks. Now they're saying the yolks have choline. And I mean, even the people at my gym are recommended. They tell me to eat only egg whites. And then like, well, you can throw like one egg in like with like six egg whites. So talk about the eggs and eggs, egg whites versus full eggs and pasture raised versus cage free and all that stuff.

Unknown: 45:49

Yeah, well, hey, sorry, good example of why you know, everything's bogus as well. All these people trying to say that eggs are bad, it's the perfect food. It's actually one of the most perfect foods that humans can eat. It's a whole chicken, right? It has all of the vitamins and minerals and protein that can create an entire living chicken. And we can eat that and get all of that nutrition. So that yolk is where all the good nutrients are. And it's also where the cholesterol is. So that's the kind of propaganda because we thought that you could just you would just eat cholesterol, and then you'd get high cholesterol. And then you just get heart disease. That was a narrative. And really, there's studies that keep coming out every year that show that's not true. I just posted about one recently, there was a big study that just showed people who ate this amount of eggs had no risk for heart disease, no increased cholesterol, there's nothing wrong with it. So it's kind of this old myth that won't die. And in the in the bodybuilding community and the workout world, I kind of get where they're coming from, it's wrong. But I get that the thought process is to build muscle and lose fat, right to get ripped, you want to eat a lot of protein, and you want to cut down on carbs, and fat, or you know, either both of them really, some people go low carb, some people go low fat, some people go both, if you're a bodybuilder and you're trying to get good on stage for competition, you're gonna go very, very high protein, probably very low fat, and like lowest carb to write you, he's still you know, you still need some energy, right to like, get through the day and do your workouts. But this is like a bodybuilding, getting ripped diet is tons and tons of protein and lower on the fats and carbs. So that's just a short term hack to lose fat and maintain your muscle. Right. But that doesn't mean that it's the most nutritious and it's both long term health promoting thing you can do. Right? So I get it because the yolk has more fat in it. And the egg white is just pure protein mainly. So if you're trying to lean out temporarily, you could probably get more lead by eating tons of egg whites and maybe only one yolk. And you know, eating lots of eggs and meat, or you know, meat and fish and other things and cutting down on fat and cutting down some carbs too. That doesn't mean it's long term health, like really long term health is about full complete protein, complete vitamins and mineral profile. And that would be where you'd eat the whole egg.

Chuck Shute: 48:25

Okay, that's good to know. Yeah. So that makes sense. Because I think my gym even they told me that we're like, we just want to make you look good. Even if you do they, they do exercises that that you know, try to grow the muscles that make you look barf and all that stuff. So yeah, that makes sense. That's what people want. Yeah, it's

Unknown: 48:42

a short term result. It's hard to think long term, right? Because it's not like I'm like, counting like, I just have these immediate benefits of eating the egg yolks, when there are benefits that are in the couple years. I don't get sick anymore. I don't you know, like all these things that you can tell that your immune system is working? Well, you know, there's there's way more things that happen from eating the full nutrient profile that you're not going to see just by trying to get shredded in six months.

Chuck Shute: 49:11

Right. What about talking about organic foods versus GMO? non organic and then now I think there's a new thing bioengineered, which scares the hell out of me. And I know that they I think it was in like, I don't know what year it was. It was during Obama's administration, which kind of shocked me, they approve this dark act thing. So they don't have to tell us what is GMO and what is not. So you. I mean, you just assume if it doesn't say non GMO, or then you assume that it is GMO, right? Yeah.

Unknown: 49:44

Yeah, this is just another one of those things that food industry at this keep doing to make more money. And the government kind of supports too because, like I said, what's good for the top isn't necessarily good for the bottom and it's like, they kind of make this visions are on a world level or on a nationwide level. They're like, well, people need to get fed. Right? So they're like, well, there's this new technology that will genetically modify things and make the wheat grow bigger and faster. And they're like, Okay, this sounds great. We can help feed more people. But they don't realize the repercussions of that. You know, and it's like, so yes, we do have GMO wheat, and it is way bigger, and taller and grows faster. And that's the theory of why when you go to Europe, you don't people who normally can't eat bread can eat bread in Europe, or pasta, because they don't have this GMO gigantic hybridized. Wheat, also covered in glyphosate, right? They have the more ancient varieties, right? It's like the heirloom variety, or, you know, and it's not as profitable, right? It's just, it's a little bit less profitable. And it doesn't have there's bigger yields. But they do it traditionally. And it works and that, you know, they grind it fresh and into flour, and they make it and, you know, theoretically, that's why they can eat it, and they're not as sick as us. So yeah, I don't think that you can ever cheat nature. So GMO, all this stuff, pesticides, all of these things that we're doing, they have higher yields, and they make more money, but you cannot cheat nature and that it's not it's going to have a repercussion, right, it's not going to be as good for you, it's going to have these slow problems to human health. Like really, if you want to think about anything that almost can't be debunked, is you have to align with nature. You can't cheat it. You have to just go if someone says, okay, is this food good? And then you say, Okay, well, when did we invent this food? And if it's if it's something old that your grandparents ate, or even better that our ancestors ate is probably good. And if it's some new, genetically modified version, it's probably not as good and it's just simple.

Chuck Shute: 51:57

Yeah, well, then what about alcohol? Because alcohol has been around a while I think even the Egyptians drank beer. And they used to say, oh, a glass of red wine is good for you. It's good for your heart. Now they're saying, I think the newest thing is no alcohol, or minimal alcohol. I mean, I don't know that. That's another one. It's almost as bad as the egg thing where they just keep going. Yeah, worth, whether it's good or bad.

Unknown: 52:17

It's back and forth. Okay. There's nothing good about alcohol other than if you have fun there. The only good thing is if you have I do like, um, fun. Okay, so this is the the truth is, alcohol is bad. It's basically a poison to your body. And it's not good to drink it every day at all. Even if it's just two glasses of wine per day. I that is not good. And you know, there's scientists like Dr. Humans just completed talking about this, but like, no alcohol is better than having alcohol, even if it's in moderation. But we have been drinking alcohol for so much of history. We've been brewing things fermenting things, I went to Tanzania, they're brewing banana beer, and they would ferment bananas, and they would put in, actually, this, what is it the bark of a tree that prevents parasites, I forget what it's called. But so they, they naturally knew this, that they, Wormwood, they would put Wormwood into the banana beer, and it would help cleanse them. They would only drink it once a week, they would have fun. It was a social occasion. And it can be fun, right? So there's a there's, there's negative sides to everything. Right? Like anything could be bad for you. So with the alcohol thing, it's better to have none. But if you're going to, like ancestrally I think if you look at human history, there always was this desire to be social, have fun laugh. And this happens not often, right? This was like a special occasion. And people and you can bounce back from anything. So I guess I'm trying to give the nuanced view of this and not like completely scare people away from it, it's better to not drink. But if you're gonna, like, have a little bit on occasion, I think it could could provide you some benefit of say, having a great time on a special occasion, but also some people just be like, Hey, I don't need to alcohol to have a good time and good for them.

Chuck Shute: 54:17

That's amazing. Well, what about here's another one that I hear goes back and forth a lot. Good. Bad for you coffee is coffee. Okay. And also, like I think talking about the different kinds of cars isn't like there's like chemicals sprayed on coffee. I heard there's like mold on coffee now.

Unknown: 54:32

Like, yeah, there's so much going on there at coffee. Yeah, there's like the mycotoxin thing. Like it's better to have like a clean tested coffee could get kind of expensive. I am doing experiments stopping coffee, except I have a little bit. Well, I just were trying to finish my bag actually. So I do. I don't think it's the end of the world. But I think there's kind of harms in being relying on anything or having too much of anything every day, right? If you're just like, Okay, well, I have three or four cups of coffee every day. And that's year round, that's gonna add up. Right and then also the caffeine you could be going up and down, you could be like hurting your sleep, you could be relying on, on something to get by, you can really increase in your cortisol in the mornings too much. So again, not not a nuance there, I started drinking like matcha tea, and less of it right, so it has way less caffeine. So I make the same with raw milk, and Masha and a little bit of maple syrup. It tastes delicious. It's kind of like melted ice cream, it looks if you go to a sushi restaurant and get the green tea ice cream. It tastes like that. I'm like, Well, this is great. And, and so again, there's always nuances, there's always risks with everything. And I am always kind of in the middle on these views of like telling people that you don't want to become a monk and sit there and never do anything. You know, and you get people get so scared of all foods. And then they're like I have to I can never go to a restaurant again, I can never have a sip of alcohol again, I can never have any coffee. And it kind of can turn it can turn into a downward spiral, it can become more stressful than than just drinking the coffee. So again, yeah, buy organic coffee absolute, especially when it's concentrated. So if you're eating something that's concentrated, like if you take a whole bunch of beans, and you grind them up, and they're covered in pesticides and grind them up, and then put hot water in them and get a concentrated brew. You don't want chemicals on that. You don't want pesticide residue all over that, though, yes, definitely get some organic coffee, but then and try to drink less of it and try to not be relying on it.

Chuck Shute: 56:49

Okay, yeah, we're at about an hour. Is it? Okay, if we got a little over that ago? Because I still got a few more questions. Yeah, let's

Unknown: 56:53

do a couple more. This is rapid fire just getting all the Yeah,

Chuck Shute: 56:57

I was just wanting to get because this is like mostly for my own benefit. So hopefully other people understand too. But the other thing I want to ask you about protein powders, because I think I can't remember if it was you or someone else had posted about that. You know, that used to be the big thing, especially at my gym, they're like, Oh, you're gonna have two protein shakes a day and but now I'm hearing protein powders are not natural. And there's like a lot of like, was it led or all these chemicals in the protein powders because of the machines? And what are your What are your thoughts on protein powders and protein shakes? Yeah,

Unknown: 57:26

good one, also one of these nuanced things that maybe people aren't going to like my answer. But protein powder I get, I totally understand the gym people. Because getting more protein in your diet is going to help you it's going to help you burn muscle or build muscle, it can help you burn fat, but it will help with your satiety. Right. So this is a concept I really liked that I brought up yet is that everyone wants to eat less yet it seems like they can't, right the people are overweight because they ate too much. And it's not they didn't eat too much protein, I'll tell you that is what they ate is too much refined carbs or refined fats, right? It's from the processed food this is that your your your fats and carbs. So eating? Well drinking protein shakes could be helpful to get more protein in your diet be more full and eat less carbs or fats I group carbs and fats as energy, right split things up into nutrients versus energy. So your nutrients are protein, vitamins and minerals, your energy's fat and carbs, right? So you kind of think of those in two different buckets. And how to how to gain muscle and lose fat is you eat more nutrients, and less energy, right? This is every body builder knows this. And this is exactly what they're telling you at your gym. But the nuance behind it is you want full you want more nutrients, not just the protein, right? That's why we're talking about eating the whole egg. And we want less energy and how to do that is you need to eat foods in their whole form. Because this is where the satiety aspect comes in. So if you're eating a whole apple, you're getting, I don't know, like 10 grams of sugar, we'll call it whatever size of apple that is. Okay, you're getting so you're eating the fiber and the fiber is fine. You know, there's nothing magical about it. It's just filling up your stomach. And it's you're just getting it in the whole food matrix. It doesn't hit your bloodstream as fast. If you drink apple juice, it goes straight into your bloodstream, right causes an insulin spike, big glucose spike, and you're not very full from that you're not no one's like, Oh man, I drank some apple juice eight hours ago I'm I'm stuffed. And it's like, but if you ate like, a bunch of meat and a bunch of apples, you will be stuffed for five hours, right? Whatever between meals like I don't snack, I'm eating a bunch of meat and I do eat apples for dessert. Right like I can eat two Apple like one apples enough. You know, you can eat two apples you are full. So it's you're getting only say we call it 10 grams of sugar in that apple, but I'm getting the fiber with it right and I'm full on it's in his whole form. And I'm full and I'm not going to over eat, if you drink, you can drink a cup of apple juice, that could be like six apples, you get 60 grams of sugar, per se, right? Like whatever size of cup that is. And

Chuck Shute: 1:00:10

it's as much sugar as soda, right or

Unknown: 1:00:13

like a full soda. Yeah, so you can drink a full sodas, or the average is in two seconds. And you're not you're not getting full from that. Right. So the opposite if you're trying to build muscle, right, you want to get on a body but not not ever wants to get on a bodybuilding stage. But you know, this is the message that your gym is you don't want to be drinking apple juice, that's the worst thing you could do, you're just getting a hole. But same thing, they're telling you to eat less fat. If you're just dumping butter on everything, that's not going to be great either. So these are like refined sources of energy, really, you just want to eat foods in their whole form it get enough protein and nutrients and try to cut down on the energy side of your equation, whether that's fats or carbs. And that's just like when you zoom out, I in the beginning, I talked about changing my views and not being biased or dogmatic about diets. And so it's like, the farther you zoom out, the more you realize there could be a lot of diets that are good, like the Mediterranean diet could be good, or the I call the sapien or sapien diet, which is what I do, generally, like a paleo diet, these are all good diets. And what they're doing is giving you enough nutrients, enough protein, vitamins, minerals, for less energy, right without all the excess refined carbs and fats. So it's it that's like the truth, right, that you can just zoom out. And any, that's why sapien it's not like there is one diet. It's just a framework that involves animal foods and real foods on the side. Yeah.

Chuck Shute: 1:01:36

And what are your thoughts on another kind of trendy thing that people talk about a lot is the intermittent fasting that either like, they'll fast for sit only eat during an eight hour window, and they fast every day for 16 hours. Or they'll do like a day of fasting one day a week or one day, a month or several days a month. And then there's different kinds of fasting, I guess, because there's just water only there's bone broth fast, there's a juice fast. What are your thoughts on fasting? Yeah,

Unknown: 1:02:05

another great tool. So this is again, where people get lost in this because it's complicated, right? And not that, not that I know everything about nutrition, but I've been studying it long enough to like kind of see through all the different things. And it's like fasting is amazing tool. And I used it for years. And if you are overweight, it is a great tool. Okay, but that doesn't mean you have to do it forever. And it doesn't mean you have to get obsessed with it. And you can do different versions of it. And it doesn't matter, you just have to find out which one works for you. But I still don't really eat for 16 hours a day, I've still am kind of just only eating an eight hour window, just because I'm not hungry. Like I haven't eaten yet today. Like I eat at noon, 1pm. That's when I get hungry. And then I'll eat dinner, I eat big meals, and then I don't eat, right, I don't snack, I'm only eating for eight hours a day. And it's amazing. And that helped me lose a lot of body fat, get more muscle, you know, heal my metabolism, everything about my life got better by eating the correct foods, and then eating less often. But that doesn't mean that that's the only way to do it. Right now, in the past couple of years after I fixed my metabolism, and I got to my ideal body composition, right I got to my goal, then some people out there, you can get to your goal weight, and then you don't have to do the insane, strict things anymore. Because you're in a good place. And then I can be adding more fruit and sweet potatoes into my diet is what I did. I could be eating breakfast now if I want to. And it's not, it's not gonna affect me negatively. You know what I mean? Like I can I can, I can still use these tactics and techniques, right? If I if I go off track or something or go on a trip, then yeah, maybe you can use these techniques like fasting, and it'll help you and there's also the autophagy. Right. So people talk about these benefits of doing the fasting to clear out your cells. And this is like, good and yeah, absolutely. But But then some people go too far. And then they're obsessed with it.

Chuck Shute: 1:04:09

Yeah, no, definitely. And so then, what about? So yeah, we'll do it. So do you ever do you said you only eat out like every three months or something? So do you still do like a cheat meal or something? Or is it like you make something at home? Like hanging up? You cook it yourself is kind of your cheat meal or like, I mean, yeah, he was amazing that I would love to get to that point where I'm only eating in a restaurant once every three months, but like, it seems like I would still occasionally want like a cinnamon roll or a slice of pizza or something like occasionally.

Unknown: 1:04:40

You know, you're right. So I I do have some people around us and some friends I don't really do like health coaching publicly. But this is the number one thing that people need to to learn and learn how to do because I had the same thing. Yes. So I was doing cheat meals for many years. Right? I had this whole journey. Like I said it was was like a 10 year process to get to this. And I think it's, it's perfectly okay to heat there. It's human nature to want to indulge once in a while. And so I was doing that years ago, and I would eat clean and then on Sundays I do a cheat meal. So the rock does he I think, I don't know that much about him, but I just know he eats insane cheat meals, right? And it's like, wild on Sundays. And then he's like, really strict. Otherwise. You know, I mean,

Chuck Shute: 1:05:28

there's no a Tom Brady. Even he talks about the 8020 rule that 80% of what he eats is really healthy and 20%, which is like that's like extreme. That seems like a lenient to me, I would think that he would 85% or something. Yeah,

Unknown: 1:05:42

I'm more like 85 to 10. I mean, not so. Okay. Oh, yeah, there's different ways to do it, too. It's not like, I am 100% Perfect. So even if I'm not going to restaurants, I go to a lot of food events. And there's like, at people's houses, right. And these are like, where people prepare foods. And I more like a cheat meal for me would be going to a potluck, or some kind of barbecue, and then having just foods that people made and not freaking out about it. So I'm not perfect. And and I think yeah, the Tom Brady thing that's that is a good rule is that you can do very well, just doing like kind of an 8020 rule of like, eating clean as much as you can, and then dipping into some other foods when necessary. But what I was gonna say about the health, just helping people with their diet is there is is human nature to want to indulge, and I still have that. But instead of going out to eat, and like a lot of people that they have problems with DoorDash or UberEATS, or whatever, and they're just like, I just want to order everything under the sun and just go nuts. instead. I teach people and I do this myself is fine, kind of cheat meals, quote, cheat meals that you make for yourself that are very indulgent, but that aren't bad for you. So I can have a stack I have, like this thing of grass fed burger patties from Costco, you can get a stack of these frozen burger patties. This is like my backup plan like thing in my freezer. If I want an indulgent meal, and I do once a week, I will I can cook up like a stack of patties. You know, a couple of patties with cheese, grill up onions, you can have some bacon, you have like jalapenos and like pickles on the side. Like it's this huge pile of food. It's like very indulgent, right? So delicious. And I just don't have the button or I don't have the french fries. You know, I mean, I just cook like a really indulgent meal. That's just real foods. And it tastes delicious. Is that make sense? Like yeah, fine.

Chuck Shute: 1:07:49

This is your cheat meal. It's kind of like a like a In and Out Burger. They call it like the Flying Dutchman you could just get flying.

Unknown: 1:07:55

Yeah, yeah. That's still that or even go to in and out and get a Flying Dutchman. Yeah, there's nothing that wrong. I mean, it didn't hurt us. It's pretty fresh and good ingredients, you could just get a snack you can get like, you

Chuck Shute: 1:08:06

can tell because when you get the Flying Dutchman is just meat and cheese. They don't hide it with the bun and the ketchup and you can take it and it's like, wow, this is really good. I actually like it better.

Unknown: 1:08:15

It's great. Or you could get it the other way with like protein style with like the lettuce song, you know, wrapped and eat. I mean, yeah, absolutely. There's ways to do it. Yeah, yeah.

Chuck Shute: 1:08:24

That's amazing. Okay, all good stuff. I guess. One more thing. Last. I guess I'll make this the last question. What are your thoughts? This is kind of a weird little. I mean, it's been labeled a conspiracy, but I don't think it is, is the bugs in our food? Have you heard of this thing? They're starting to try to put bugs in our food. Oh, they're grounding up crickets and stuff and then calling it like, they have some scientific name. So they have to like read the label. This is a real thing, though. Right?

Unknown: 1:08:51

i Yes, I've read about it. And I saw post just yesterday that there was some sort of political thing. It's like Democrats, you know, hiding a bill that says that they could put in bugs in our food, you know, some sort of political thing? No, no, this is real. This there's like kind of an agenda that is getting people used to different sources of protein. So whether that be lab grown meat, or just plant based meat burgers, or insect protein, and it's kind of under the guise of environmental sustainability, and I am all for, you know, having a clean environment, but I think it's been co opted to push agendas and change the way people eat. And I think there's a lot of money involved and a lot of power involved. Right? They even do this with a co2 There's like oh, there's like carbon credits and there's this and that. I'm like, Yeah, we don't we should just be like burning I don't want like, I don't want to live next to a coal plant. Right. I don't want like burning coal in my air, but I also don't believe that the cows burping are causing climate change. You don't have an

Chuck Shute: 1:09:55

expert on my show. All about this and I watched your movie on your channel the call I'm at the movie, where you interview? I don't Did you produce? It wasn't

Unknown: 1:10:04

mine. I just reposted it because I got permission. Okay. YouTube took it down off the original filmmakers. Oh, ah, they censored it. And so you know, nearly Oh, yeah. So they were allowing other people to post it because they knew that was gonna happen. And so mine has the most views right now. You can't even search it. So they also shadow banned. So they haven't removed it from my account yet, but you cannot search it every comment I get. I checked my YouTube a lot. And they're just like, couldn't find this. It was blocked. So you have to I

Chuck Shute: 1:10:34

mean, I've watched the it's so professionally done and the people you interviewed or like Harvard and Stanford, I mean, there was all these, like, really well known. I didn't enter one, or sorry, sorry. Yeah. But the people that were interviewed. Yeah. I mean, the one guy was Obama's science advisor. Oh,

Unknown: 1:10:51

yeah. They have the X guy to start Greenpeace. Yeah. The co founder Greenpeace. Yep. No, no, it's a great thing. Yeah, you got to go to the My food lines YouTube channel. And you got to find that it's hard to find. But this yes, I'm all about the the narratives are so extreme, they really want to keep pushing these narratives. And it's really Money, power control all this stuff. And it makes sense as they push this agenda. And it's always has this kind of outcome of, well, it's for the greater good, but you have to eat bugs, or Oh, like big corporations can use the like these these climate credits. And then they're just buying and selling climate credits and cheating the system. And it always seems to benefit these different people on the top.

Chuck Shute: 1:11:39

Yeah, you can go down the rabbit hole, and you can, you know, World Economic Forum and Klaus Schwab and all these nutcases that, I mean, but they'll, they'll say these things out, straight up, you know, straight up, say, you know, you're gonna eat bugs, and you're gonna not drive a car, you're gonna be happy for this. And Oh, nothing. So yeah.

Unknown: 1:11:59

Oh, I'm into all this stuff. I try not to talk about it too much. Because I don't want to be censored, but it's, I think it's, it's completely true. And it goes along with my thing of like, what's good for them is bad for us. Right? The only thing and be happy, right? Yeah. I mean, I've been posting that for years, they took down that video, but it's, that's the you think it's all good. They make it sound good. Like, you won't even have to own a car. It'll just come pick you up in the future and this and that. And then you're like, Oh, this is okay. If

Chuck Shute: 1:12:28

they're gonna own stuff, then who owns jet, they're gonna evacuate. And it's, you know, the different rules for you. Yeah, it's kind of scary stuff. So, yeah, I love what you're doing your page is great. People should follow me on Instagram. It's food lies and the Docu series will hopefully be coming out soon. And right now they can so watch your game changers debunked. Film on YouTube, the climate, which is I guess it's not yours, but you haven't posted on your channel. And then nose to tail.org is all your products and your you sell the steaks and like the beef tallow and stuff like that, right?

Unknown: 1:13:02

We do detail body care. Yeah. So we have meat. We have a lot of good pasture raised pork. And yeah, just good products that you want to put real fat on your skin. You don't want to put chemical stuff, your body soaks up, whatever you put on it. Yeah, that's all we made this beef tallow bodycare stuff.

Chuck Shute: 1:13:20

Amazing, great stuff. I love the work you're doing. And thank you so much for coming on the show. It's very educational. All right, good times. Thanks. All right. Thanks, browsI later