I spoke to Lynn Carnes on Jan 19, 2023. We had a great chat about varies things from trauma to addictions to intuition and increasing our empowerment and awareness.
She shared some of her experiences and resources as well
Bio
Lynn Carnes is Founder and CEO of Creative Spirits Unleashed. She is a TEDx
Speaker, Author, Entrepreneur, Executive Coach and Artist. She works with
business owners, C-Suite executives and high performing teams and athletes to
lead deep and meaningful change while staying true to their core. She is past
president of the Conserving Carolina and Lake Lure Community Education. She is
also an avid water skier, potter, watercolor artist and hiker. Lynn writes about
inspiring new ways to look at learning, growth, and reinvention, in leadership,
athletics, art and life. You can follow her on her website at www.lynncarnes.com or
on her Creative Spirits Unleashed Instagram page.
I spoke to Lynn Carnes on Jan 19, 2023. We had a great chat about varies things from trauma to addictions to intuition and increasing our empowerment and awareness.
She shared some of her experiences and resources as well
Bio
Lynn Carnes is Founder and CEO of Creative Spirits Unleashed. She is a TEDx
Speaker, Author, Entrepreneur, Executive Coach and Artist. She works with
business owners, C-Suite executives and high performing teams and athletes to
lead deep and meaningful change while staying true to their core. She is past
president of the Conserving Carolina and Lake Lure Community Education. She is
also an avid water skier, potter, watercolor artist and hiker. Lynn writes about
inspiring new ways to look at learning, growth, and reinvention, in leadership,
athletics, art and life. You can follow her on her website at www.lynncarnes.com or
on her Creative Spirits Unleashed Instagram page.
Welcome to Sears Beers, knowers and Doers, a podcast about intuition. Do you know what that is? Intuition to me is that inner sense for knowing that something is true. And yet I have no proof. But there's so many definitions and there's so many ways it can come. I'm looking to bring together and share with you some amazing guests. You have some amazing life stories, and also some insights into how intuition can come, and I'm looking to gather those crows in the trees. I hope you're one of them. I hope that this podcast inspires you to be more connected to your intuition, and I hope that by doing that, we make the world a better place. Thanks for coming on this journey with me.
Speaker 2:Before we get started today, I would love to share some tools with you to help with stress and feeling overwhelmed, especially for the energetically sensitive person. Feel free to go to my store on my website@www.healingvitality.ca. Thanks so much for coming on this journey with me.
Speaker 3:So I'm super excited today because I met her through finding a podcast of hers on social media, and I'm like, oh, would you be a guest on my podcast? So thank you Lynn Carns for joining me on my podcast today.
Speaker 4:I am so happy to be here. Heather, thank you for calling me and reaching out to me.
Speaker 3:Well, it's not often what we get asked and and it's different being on that side of the conversation. I know. So<laugh>
Speaker 4:It is. I I, I'm really glad I followed my intuition when I got your message to say, this is actually a real person and not some troll on the internet trying to take my money.
Speaker 3:<laugh>. Yeah. I'm glad you followed your intuition too. So I would love if you could share with us and tell the world a little bit more about yourself.
Speaker 4:I I, isn't that such a big question? Especially when it's like I get to filter what I tell you about me at this stage of my life. I call myself a leadership coach, but I'm doing as much to practice my own leadership as I am coaching others on leadership. I do a lot of things to see how is my leadership doing, if you will. But I'm a former banker and I'm a recovering digit head. I have this really uncanny ability to like, remember numbers. So as a kid, all I wanted was like papers and things that I could, I loved math tests. I loved it when they gave us the pop quiz. You know, I wanted to like get the teacher's record book that would keep track of like the grades. I don't know if in your school they had'em, but it was like a, it was just a book with a bunch of blocks and then they just put the grade. Um, and I really liked it when all the grades line on mine were all a's
Speaker 3:Yes,
Speaker 4:<laugh>. So I, I kind of started my, and I was really good with typing and numbers like, um, the adding machine. And so just those like desires and skills sent me off into a career in accounting. And sometimes I think back on it and think if I had stayed in accounting, who would I be? Or would I even still be alive? Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, you know, because I, it was not a life-affirming type of career, although I really liked being good at it. And through a series of events that I can like kind of now go back and look at and say, oh, I had a ch, those were like little forks in the road and I took the fork that led me here. Those little moments, you know, I think are what make up a great life. But it has fundamentally changed my life. So now I don't have nearly the kind of schedule I would've had as an accountant. I don't work with numbers as much, although I do take care of the books on our businesses and stuff. But my main thing is as I went through those moments and had those little forks in the road and saw a glimpse inside of myself, of somebody that wasn't the person that everybody told me to be, but the one I was born to be. Yes. When I found those moments, I started realizing all of us had those moments and different people in my life, sometimes coaches, sometimes colleagues, sometimes just different moments, somebody would like show me. It's almost like I could see them see me. And that's how I decided I wanted to first work with leadership and then really be, become a coach. Not so that I could teach people how to do things, but teach people how to find themselves. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> in there under all that mess that the con, you know, I really do feel like society has the conditioned mind. I think, you know, society has created, it's a warped version of who we're meant to be. It's not natural.
Speaker 3:No. And I like literally before Christmas is have been binging on Dr. Gibo Matt's myth of normal book here. Oh.
Speaker 4:Oh, I
Speaker 3:Love him. I know<laugh>. And it's all about this toxic culture and what it all has done to us in terms of removing, removing our sense of self, our sense of authenticity. Cuz we'll choose attachment over authenticity as a kid because we need to survive. Yeah. So what you're saying meshes my brain's just going, oh, it's like a zipper. I see everything that you're talking about and it's beautiful<laugh>,
Speaker 4:You know, his, there was a moment, I heard him say this in one of his interviews and he used the language self-expression instead of authenticity in this state. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, but I had already titled my book Dancing the Tightrope. And what I had discovered is we're all like dancing lots. It's a tightrope, but it's lots of different variables on either end of the way of the spectrum. If you think about the bar Yes. When somebody's on a tightrope and we're out of balance. And the big one is attachment versus authenticity. Like he says, we're gonna choose attachment every time because that's where our survival is. Yeah. And yet authenticity or self-expression, that unique spark, that's us, that's our nature.
Speaker 3:And the world needs us to be that person.
Speaker 4:The world and the planet needs us to be. Yeah. Because we have to start understanding how nature is and nature's not simple and nature doesn't roll over and make life easy. We were not born to have an easy life. That's, and that's one of the core points of my book, but it's is we were actually born to thrive under pressure and we lost that because it's too easy to do everything. And honestly, I'm sitting here saying this and I'm like, oh gosh, I hope I don't get what I'm wishing for. Cuz I really like electricity in the easy fire in my fireplace and going to the grocery store<laugh>.
Speaker 3:Well, and you know what, I have this sense that, and I've said it on this podcast before, that we're heading back into like how film can actually predict the future television can the future. I, I've been saying avatar for, uh, since I got on this podcast, I think. But I, I truly believe that we're not in the place where we're going to be going backwards. We're just gonna be going forwards with all of, with like, with more consciousness on how we use those things. And the consumerism side is going to drop off and the connection side is going to get bigger. But that's just me. Maybe that's my dream. Maybe that's my hope.<laugh> cuz like you, I do enjoy indoor plumbing and all the rest of it, but I've gotten away from consumerism when I quit my job because I had to financially and the shopaholic became groceries. And it just is interesting when you become happier and you will, you will talk about this, I'm sure when you become happier you need less stuff.
Speaker 4:It's so true. It's so true. And I'm, I mean I literally the other day was at the intersection in the, I don't live in a town where there's much to shopping. So I was in Asheville where we shop and all the places that I go to buy things was right there. It's so convenient. It's a 45 minute drive home. So I just kind of have a habit of checking in and go, do I need anything? And I had this just moment, it's like, even if I need anything, I don't wanna go get anything so I'm gonna not need it now. And just went on home. Cause I was like, I don't wanna keep having to buy things I sometimes would buy and we're really bad because we have two locations about buying double everything cuz we don't wanna have to go find things. So two sets of tools, one for home, one for there and so forth. And it, it is right and convenient to do that. But where I keep coming back to is when did we make money the the pinnacle? Mm. Right. Like everything gets run through a filter of well if it makes enough money then you should do it.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm.<affirmative>.
Speaker 4:And that's the wrong measure. It's a piece, it's a tool. You know, as a business person, I'm really clear that cash flow is the lifeblood of a business. And you are not gonna stay around profit or nonprofit if you do not have cash flow. Right. You can't. Right. That is literally the lifeblood of the business, but it's not the point of the, the business and it's not the point of our lives. Right. It's what enables our lives. And it, it's so easy in this capitalistic society and I'm, I'm a fan of capitalism, but I'm not a fan of greed and I'm not a fan of using capitalism as an, as a bludgeon to make yourself rich for the, for the sake of making other people poor.
Speaker 3:Right. No. And I, I think that is an awakening that's going on and yeah, I think the more people hear it in different ways, it, it's kind of like, oh, you know, it's kind of like the proverbial slap against the head gently<laugh> and then it gets a little firmer and a little firmer. And yeah, I think we've been put in that place. Um, in some ways, um, in the last three years we've been put in that place of reprioritizing what's important. You know, connection's important. People are important, time is important. Stress relieving activities are important, you know, those, I mean, and that's, that maybe hasn't hit all segments of society. And I'm talking about North American corporate society, potentially not all facets of it, but I think that there has been an exposure I've had to that kind of subtle awakening happening. So
Speaker 4:It does seem like that's happening. I hope in a broad way it's happening. But one of the big takeaways that I've had over the last few years is the fact that a lot of the manipulation that happens to us happens to us because we haven't calibrated ourselves on how to handle mistakes. Well, the system is designed to make us feel like we're not enough and they kind of almost have co-opted our internal guidance system to say, see, you should feel really crappy if you don't have a Mercedes. Or you should feel really crappy if you don't have the right pet set of shoes or whatever consumer thing they're trying to sell. And just come get it with us and we'll make you feel good. And you get that momentary hit, that dopamine rush, you know mm-hmm.<affirmative> and then two seconds later you're back looking for more because it wasn't enough. Yeah. And it, it's cuz that's never enough, but you are enough. And that's kind of the, you know, sort of core, core message of my book, dancing the tightrope is yes, you are enough, but you have to recalibrate your operating system so that other people can't have that kind of power over you.
Speaker 3:So necessary right now. So cool. So cool. And you've also done a TED Talk. You have a podcast, so you're, you're spreading the word quite well. Yeah,
Speaker 4:I'm trying to, you know, the, the, the TED talk definitely a juncture of, you know, of do I have, do I even have a message? Because I'd always been sort of a coach that didn't necessarily have a message, but somebody asked me, she said, well, if you were gonna do a TED talk, what would you do it on? And I said, oh, the thing that's changed my life more than anything. And she said, what's that? And I said, learning to assume positive intent. And she said, say more. And I told her a couple of stories and she said, well, that might be a TED talk, I don't know. And I was like, well, I think it's a TED talk and that's all it is. Like she laid in the got<laugh>. And so we did, we did shape it into the TED Talk. I did. And then I ended up writing a book about that too. It's called The Elegant Pivot and an inspired Move for Navigating Corporate Politics because I realized that when I was able to spend positive intent, that was life changing. And it's probably the first thing I teach my clients to do when they come to work with me. And it's a lot harder to do than it looks on the surface. So we may, we, it's not unusual for me to have a series of two or three or four conversations around one situation with, you know, a very high level client. These are, I work with senior executives about how to play out a situation by assuming positive intent.
Speaker 3:That's beautiful. Because it, I mean, it's proven in the horse world. It's proven in a vision boarding ishness is, you know, whatever people want to call that world. And so to be able to apply it practically to, to the corporate world, which is a dynamic that lots of people will understand.<laugh>. It's like
Speaker 4:<laugh> Well, anybody that's ever have a had a boss mm-hmm.<affirmative> or coworker Yeah. Especially coworkers that feel like they're trying to undermine you or look better than you or not pick up their share of the load. All of those kind of dynamics that happen, you know, and I, I work in usually big companies, I see the same things happening in small companies. Yeah.
Speaker 3:You know, kind of a universal thing based on not being enough usually. Well,
Speaker 4:It all comes to that. Yeah. We are experiencing the world, our inner world. We know our doubts, we know our inner critic, we know our question and lack of confidence. We know all of that stuff, but we don't see it from the people outside because they've gotten very good at projecting, you know, I call it, they, I've got this face right. They've got, they looks like they've got it together. And you can't compare those two things. It's two different worlds. And, you know, if I can remember it, and I don't always, I find myself, you know, sometimes looking at somebody going, dang, they got it all together and I don't, and then I have to remember, they're, they're no different than me on the inside.
Speaker 3:Yeah. We're gonna pivot a little bit. So how does intuition come to you?
Speaker 4:Oh, that's such a good question because I struggled with believing I even had intuition. Okay. Because things would come to me, I remember in eighth grade, and this was kind of tied to that whole corporate thing in a way. But I remember I, I was standing in the kitchen of a friend in eighth grade and she asked me a question and I knew it was coming from a not good place. And rather than explore kind of what she meant by it, because I could have just asked a couple of questions when I was in eighth grade and I wasn't that emotionally mature. Right. I probably could have understood what she was saying, but immediately this is, uh, this whole thing flashed in front of me, which was she's in the popular crowd and I wanna be in the popular crowd and I need to ignore this if I am going to hang out with these people other, because it was something to do with just seeing how, in a way kind of shallow she was. Right. Right. Okay. It's almost like at that point I shut my intuition off and it's like, I don't wanna see what's really happening here. Yeah. Wow. And it wasn't until many, many years later that I started realizing I was getting like these hits. Like I would know things, but I didn't know what to do with them. Not much more like I was a grown woman by this point, and it's still acting like the eighth grader that was like, I don't know what to do with this. And so eventually I started realizing that when those things, I could actually check them out and, and sort of, it's almost like following the scent of smoke, if you will. Like, where's that smoke coming from? How do I go find what this means? And then as I started talking those threads, I started realizing, wow, you know, you are knowing things that it's useful to follow those threads and, and you are knowing things that actually turn out to be true. So that's how it comes to me. It's almost like it's an instant knowing I don't hear voices, I don't see things about, no, it was about 12 or 15 years ago, I started teaching a self-awareness program and it was a very, very deep program. And we would bring people in. I was working with another company, they taught, you know, I apprentice to learn to do this. We would bring people in from different companies and it was a week long program and I taught the self-awareness segment of this program. Well, in that kind of teaching, you really are trying to read kind of what's going on with somebody so that they can find their own inner world. Because the problem with self-awareness is this conditioning that we have actually blocks us from our own inner knowing. Yeah. And it's, I think in a way designed it block us from knowing it. Yeah. So then we, then we can't have self-awareness because this armor that we've got on around us is, is so busy keeping it from knowing our own truth. And so part of my job was helping people sort of tap into the places where there were gaps and places they could go in and find. And I would work with that. Well, what I started finding is that my way of knowing often just came if I would just start talking and I would have a point to make. But what I found, and I taught this program many, many times, and yet I never taught it the same way twice. And as I would be speaking, I would discover things coming outta my mouth and like examples or something, and I'll give you a live one. But when they would come outta my mouth, I knew that this was coming from somebody in the room, not me. Right. I love it. I'd never said that before. Right. Yeah. And here was a live example. One day I was talking about this conditioning and how we get socialized and how the environment that they were operating in, it was influencing everything from how they dressed and where they lived to what their buying habits were. Uh, so much so that there's a science around this and there's a book that's out there. I haven't read it, but I'm aware of it. And it's called Biology and it's b u y o l o g y. Now there are only like seven people in this room. And that I had never used that example before. And I, but I could see a couple of people had that knowing look in their eyes. But one guy really did over to my rights and he says, oh yeah. And he reached in his briefcase and he pulled out that book. I love it. And I was like, oh man. Because I wasn't always validated that clearly that what was coming outta my mouth was coming from the people in the room. Right. But that's how, so sometimes it's just talking and tuning in and then it's like I have a knowing.
Speaker 3:Yeah. And Lynn, nobody's shared this before, but I totally resonate with you. Like, that's how these podcasts are done. That's how my clients are done. Like, it's just really, really, nobody's put in words. You have this gift of putting stuff in words in such a really good way. That's another intuitive thing I think you must do because you find the words that resonate. Just like you said,<laugh>, it's beautiful. I've noticed that in this podcast even. Yeah.
Speaker 4:Well that's interest. I'm thinking about me putting things into words. There's two things that would come up a lot is sometimes people tell me to slow down because I do talk fast, but I think it may be because I'm grabbing what's coming mm-hmm.<affirmative> and I'm afraid I'm gonna lose it. But the other part is they'll say, well, can you say that again? And I say, no, I can't. Cause I dunno where it came from.<laugh> like, please take girl, get notes to record, because I honestly cannot tell you where it came from. Yeah. And you know, if you think about having a message, it's a struggle for me in that I don't always say the same thing about the same concept in the same way over and over and over again. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And I think it, this is the reason why, because I'm speaking it more from what I'm hearing in the people around me will resonate. And I'm just hearing the word hearing loosely,
Speaker 3:Right? Yeah.
Speaker 4:But one of the principles I learned when I fell off a horse and, and started getting training and a lot of this was unlocked and working with the horses, and especially with Bruce Anderson, who taught me to be the conduit. And he says, you let the horse tell you how much pressure to apply. You don't think, you know, you don't have a plan. Your job is to let the horse tell you what to do, when to do how to do. And that was so strange to me. And yet I think you just mailed it. I think I've been doing that with people all along.
Speaker 3:And that's what you were gonna do in that grade eight kitchen. But you were like, I can't do that here. I need to be popular. You know, like, I think that was about to fly out your mouth and why don't we to be friends and nevermind those other girls, you know,<laugh>.
Speaker 4:Right. Well, and I wish I'd had the emotional maturity back then to recognize that.
Speaker 3:Well, greatly, you know?
Speaker 4:Yeah. But, but for whatever reason, I had to have the path that I had. And actually one of the places where I really learned to develop my intuition is my daughter is incredibly intuitive. And to the point that she would fall in the GA way of having to choose addiction to deal with what was going on with her. And she, she had a pretty serious, we almost lost her. And she's now 15 years clean and an amazing coach. But, you know, because of her ability to have so much intuition and not know what to do with it. And for many, many years of her life, having an idiotic mom who was very literal and very numbers driven and very convinced that the scene world was the only world that mattered, you know, she turned to drugs because she couldn't turn to me. So I really believe that that journey was all for its own purpose. In other words, now the way she can serve the world is so much different than if she hadn't had her addiction. Mm. And I'm grateful that she managed to get out of it alive, because so many people don't
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Well, and yeah, there's so much in the addiction world and the mental health world that to me is also energy and intuition and just like overwhelm for sure with the circuits that are being presented, I guess. But I'm glad she came out the other side too. And sometimes those are the people who reach people that are unreachable because they can stare them in the eye and say, Hmm, I've been in the grips of hell. You know, or whatever the right terminology would be. Yeah. It's kind of cool that you've both come through this to the other side on the intuitive energy side. That's a beautiful story. I'm really glad it ended up that way.
Speaker 4:But it is, it, it's incredibly true. And the thing, the thing about addiction, you know, and actually I told you, um, Christine Dixon was here this weekend, and I, we were talking about our different philosophies that I put on the board, something that we taught at stop at nothing called the life cycle of an addiction. And addiction is not just, you know, it's not just a substance. No. Like we get addicted to a lot of things and I put, we put a li list down of the things we do to cope and give ourselves comfort from the disease caused by this conditioning. Yeah. And the conditioning causes to have thoughts that are not productive. And when we start feeling uncomfortable in our bodies, we do all kinds of things to feel better, like work, shopping, gambling, sex approval, drama, exercise, food, getting offended, comparison, controlling all of those things. Yep. And then, oh, oh, by the way, some people turn to alcohol and drugs,
Speaker 3:Right? Yep.
Speaker 4:Yep. But we are all addicted to something.
Speaker 3:We all are trauma response
Speaker 4:Mechanism, you know, and it's just not necessary. And yet to come out of it is, is also quite difficult. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Um, and I'm far from, from being, from being out of it, but I am coming out of it thanks to the work that, um, I've been doing, you know, over the years and especially amplified in the work with the horses, frankly, and working, um, working particularly with Bruce's method, which is, has got some pieces to it that are a little bit different than I've seen anywhere else. And it's really about, um, the language I use. It's about raising your pressure threshold, not avoiding your pressure threshold. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, because I think a lot of our coping mechanisms are like, well, I've gotta keep myself from hitting that place where I know I can't do the thing anymore, whatever the thing is.
Speaker 3:Right?
Speaker 4:Yeah. Um, and you know, where the pressure's too much for me to perform, whether it's giving a speech or doing something athletic, um, you know, whatever that might be. And in his way of doing things has made my pressure threshold so much higher that I can do things I couldn't do before and do them comfortably and relaxed because I've rewired my brain for the way the adrenaline hits me. If that makes
Speaker 3:Sense. Yes, for sure.
Speaker 4:That's really the Pointful book. I mean, that's really what dancing in the Tightrope is about. I've got everything written down in there. So how to do that. It's all, it's all in the book. It's just not that easy to do.
Speaker 3:Well, and that's the thing you stirred off the podcast talking about how we're not born to have an easy life. And part of that phrase, I would say is that that also applies to our emotional self, our energetic self, our mental self, our spiritual self, and our physical self. We were born in our living in, you know, the school of life and, and it's not necessarily paradise. That's what we left to come here<laugh> to learn stuff, be stuff or, you know, experience stuff. So I, I love how this has kind of come full circle. This is great,
Speaker 4:You know, if you go spend time in nature, you recognize pretty quickly that you better be ready for it. Because whatever you're facing, nature isn't gonna go, oh gosh, Lynn, you know what? We can see that you can't handle this much cold weather, so we're just gonna warm things up for you. No, you better be ready. You gotta face what nature brings. You know, I, I jokingly, and it's, it's pretty serious actually. There's no such thing as bad weather, just wrong clothes.
Speaker 3:Yep.
Speaker 4:But the, the, the thing is nature is nature and it's our job to meet nature where she is, where, where the mother earth is. And that's how we get shaped.
Speaker 3:And that's an interesting visual because I don't remember what it's called, but it's a Japanese thing I'm gonna say. And that's how you
Speaker 4:Oh, is it icky? Is it<inaudible> where everything comes together?
Speaker 3:It's, there's icky kai. Yes. And then there's also like the broken dish that gets filled with gold.
Speaker 4:Oh, yes. Right.
Speaker 3:So I love that those two, those two things are kind of that allowing nature, allowing our inner nature to mold us into who we are supposed to be. And sometimes there's cracks and sometimes there's broken pieces that are missing. And, and sometimes there's supposed to be right so that we can let the light through and put the gold in and be the unique piece we're supposed to be, as opposed to the same old, same old manufactured bolt. You
Speaker 4:Know, Elizabeth Lesser wrote a book called Broken Open, and it was one I've rec recommended to so many people, it's been a long time since I've rec. But the subtitle is How Difficult times Can Help us grow. And one of my colleagues, Harry Toof, who wrote a book, the Focused Fight about her fight with, um, with her sons five times with cancer over the years calls it posttraumatic growth syndrome. Wow. And you know, the, the expectation set us up in some ways to, to believe that things should be one way versus another. And modern society really does ha it really has got this set up that life is supposed to be easy. And so when we have things go wrong, we think there means there's something wrong with us, as opposed to recognizing that things going wrong are the things that are going to unleash the true us. You know? So instead of thinking when something's going wrong, you did something wrong or that you are bad, it's like, no, this is the moment where the portal is open for you to show up and for you to like release the old patterns and reach for the inner part of you. I think I call it reaching for your tools to grow. This is how you knock the barnacles off. And you have to have those things go wrong in order to do that, because they didn't gonna happen when they were easy. So that was the biggest turning point in my journey of getting back on the horse. Yeah. Which recognized that when I started having that inner feeling that something is off, that it did not mean that there's something wrong with me. It meant that more of me was about to get to come to the surface.
Speaker 3:I
Speaker 4:Love it if I could just stay with the feeling and tune in to what was really going on. And I'm not telling you that I do that all the time because I still have moments. Right. But the more I do that, the more I raise my pressure threshold, the less likely I am to get knocked off
Speaker 3:Center pressure, threshold capacity. Those are words that run through. Yeah. And it's
Speaker 4:Capacity's a good word. Yeah.
Speaker 3:It's, it does grow like I wanna tell people it does grow and you don't have to do it every time. Like Lynn saying is to just start with that awareness. And there are things that you can do. And, and like by Lynn's book, she's written it all out<laugh>, there's lots of resources out there, you know, there's, it's all there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's, and well, there's many ways to, there's many ways to get down the path. Like, and this podcast is about following intuition, but that could be a place to start for people. Everybody's got to start connecting and people are, that light was my fires. Cuz you start seeing people are, and it's like, oh, okay. Wow. Very cool. Very cool. Keep going.
Speaker 4:Well, and you know, we have to start with the premise that there's so much unseen that is true. And there's a belief I think that gets propagated that says only the scene and only the things that can be proven are true. And yet I look at this device that we're talking on, you are in another country and I cannot see the cell phone signal that is passing things between us, right? Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And yet we are holding a machine that can do that, that can translate the unseen signal into something that we can see.
Speaker 3:Yep.
Speaker 4:And isn't that all intuition is Yep. Where the, where the con the constant aren't phones and, and, and when we work with horses aren't horses Yeah. The phone, if you will, they're in fact they're much better at it than we are. Yes. My orders of magnitude at reading our
Speaker 3:Energy. Yep. Yeah. Animals, any animal, like start with cats, start with a dog. If you cannot have access to a horse burrow, someone's pet, like even a fish, I'm telling you, I've gone the road of a fish before. And they will, they will react to your energy. They will totally react to your energy.
Speaker 4:So I you could not, I could not agree with you more. And as I began getting tuned into this and spending more time in nature, and I had the opportunity to work with a Cherokee elder who taught me to pay attention to what the animals were telling me, you know, who was crossing my path and in what ways and in what context. And you start recognizing they show themselves to you at different times for different reasons. And then you just have to, you just have to trust it. And I don't think I blindly trust anything though. I think it, it's sort of like the beginning of, okay, well I'm gonna follow this thread and see where it leads
Speaker 3:Me on that note. Lynn, I have a feeling we have more podcasts than us
Speaker 4:<laugh>. Oh, I hope so. And I'm, I'm counting on you to come on my podcast.
Speaker 3:Oh, that would be fantastic.
Speaker 4:More like a series, you know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. What's the name of your podcast for everybody? Oh,
Speaker 4:Yes. The name of my podcast is Created Spirits Unleashed. And we are talking about all things balance and pressure and recovery for mistakes, but it's really just conversations much like this. I love to follow rabbit trails. I love to have these kind of deep conversations.
Speaker 3:Wonderful. Okay. Well I'm gonna leave people wanting for more. Um, excellent. Thank you again for today and everything that you shared. All right. Well,
Speaker 4:Thank you for having me. I've really enjoyed this conversation, Heather.
Speaker 3:Until next time, this has been great.
Speaker 4:Until next time.
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