I spoke with Robert Goodland on May 15, 2023. It was a great to learn more about the path to Robert's current role as a coach and supporter of mental health for many who are dealing with trauma and how intuition played and plays a role in that.
Bio
Early in life, it was clear to Robert that he was created to serve. As a correctional officer, he assisted inmates nearing release to find employment in the community. He organized inmate work crews to help with volunteer organization projects such as neighborhood cleanups. He went on to become a volunteer firefighter and paramedic in two communities before making firefighting his full-time career.
After so many years, all the pieces suddenly fell into place. All his personal trauma and the trauma he was exposed to in his career prepared him for this new purpose. One small step at a time, God had prepared him to support others as they claim their right to healing and wholeness.
He needed to be taught that in life, you have choices. He was unaware that choices existed. He was blindly traveling down a path, believing that he had no control over the outcome.
Little by little, Robert began to understand that these horrible things were not done to him but for him. He found hope and started to look at his life differently. The right people appeared at the right time. He realized he could use life's lessons to help others consumed by their fires. He could carry buckets of water to them.
Robert is Coach and Founder of The Heart of A Horse,
https://www.theheartofahorse.com/
I spoke with Robert Goodland on May 15, 2023. It was a great to learn more about the path to Robert's current role as a coach and supporter of mental health for many who are dealing with trauma and how intuition played and plays a role in that.
Bio
Early in life, it was clear to Robert that he was created to serve. As a correctional officer, he assisted inmates nearing release to find employment in the community. He organized inmate work crews to help with volunteer organization projects such as neighborhood cleanups. He went on to become a volunteer firefighter and paramedic in two communities before making firefighting his full-time career.
After so many years, all the pieces suddenly fell into place. All his personal trauma and the trauma he was exposed to in his career prepared him for this new purpose. One small step at a time, God had prepared him to support others as they claim their right to healing and wholeness.
He needed to be taught that in life, you have choices. He was unaware that choices existed. He was blindly traveling down a path, believing that he had no control over the outcome.
Little by little, Robert began to understand that these horrible things were not done to him but for him. He found hope and started to look at his life differently. The right people appeared at the right time. He realized he could use life's lessons to help others consumed by their fires. He could carry buckets of water to them.
Robert is Coach and Founder of The Heart of A Horse,
https://www.theheartofahorse.com/
Welcome to Sears Beers, knowers and Doers, a podcast about intuition. Do you know what that is? Intuition to me is that inner sense for knowing that something is true. And yet I have no proof. But there's so many definitions and there's so many ways it can come. I'm looking to bring together and share with you some amazing guests. You have some amazing life stories, and also some insights into how intuition can come, and I'm looking to gather those crows in the trees. I hope you're one of them. I hope that this podcast inspires you to be more connected to your intuition, and I hope that by doing that, we make the world a better place. Thanks for coming on this journey with me.
Speaker 2:Before we get started today, I would love to share some tools with you to help with stress and feeling overwhelmed, especially for the energetically sensitive person. Feel free to go to my store on my website@www.healingvitality.ca. Thanks so much for coming on this journey with me.
Speaker 3:So I'm super excited today because I am connecting with somebody who I found through Facebook and a Postie did that struck two chords with me. One was mental health and the other one was horses . And so thank you so much Robert Goodland for joining me today. I'm excited to share you with the world
Speaker 4:<laugh> . Thank you, Heather . I'm excited to share as well.
Speaker 3:So would you mind telling us more about yourself? Yeah.
Speaker 4:Thank you. And again, it is an absolute pleasure to be here. I love the opportunity to kind of spread the word of what , uh, I'm doing here at the heart of a horse . I am a retired lieutenant paramedic from a career fire depart on a volunteer fire department in EMT or six years prior to becoming career. So all total about 30 years, 31 years as a first responder , uh, in Wisconsin, which is where I'm currently at based out of , of West Central Wisconsin. I retired from that career in 2016 and uh , started, opened my company, my coaching practice at the heart of a horse in 2018 for me that I didn't know what was coming as certain things in my life were unfolding. As we all know, it's easier in retrospect to see the path that was led, the dots that got connected. Absolutely. And that is what my life is, is a series of, at the time appeared to be , uh, unrelated events that ultimately culminated in exactly what I'm doing now, which is what I love doing. Uh , I grew up in a small town, south central Wisconsin. Parents were divorced when I was two. I was the youngest of four by a lot. My, my oldest sister's 20 years older. My next brother closest to me is 10 years older than I am . So if you follow birth order stuff, I'm essentially, I'm a last born and an only child at the same time. So what that meant was that I was alone a lot. Mom had to work. And by the time I was eight, my closest sibling that I lived with was off to college. So by eight I was essentially in my own. I didn't know at the time, mom was very loving, but very distracted. And I now know that mom was suffering from some mental illness issues. I also didn't know that she was involved in a relationship that didn't become apparent to me until I was 15, 16 years old. So in that timeframe, when I was kind of on my own and looking for guidance and not really doing well , uh, I, I met a , a lifeguard at a beach that befriended me and was gonna help me learn to swim, which ultimately became , um, a sexual assault. So at the age of 11, I was sexually assaulted by my male lifeguard at the, at the local beach. I talked to that incident away. I kind of make the analogy and putting it into a box, and I put it so far away that for years I never even looked at it. I knew it was there, but I never even took it down and explored it. I was very detached from any motion that went with it . So we've , that's at age 11, age 15, mom and I moved from that small town to essentially where I'm the town that I'm living in now. And then shortly after a man moved in, I was using drugs and alcohol. I started my, my alcohol abuse began when I was 12, shockingly right, with the sexual assault being at 11 . And I say that I kind of joke about it cuz I didn't really put that together until years later that maybe those two things go together. Mm-hmm . Yeah . And so by 15, 16 years old, I'm at the height of my , uh, addiction. Suicide was kind of an ever prevalent shadow that , that loomed really didn't want to be here anymore. Never took action on that, but really, truly didn't want to be here. So this guy moves in to , to my house, to my mom's house. And we instantly butted heads massively as he's laying down the lawn. I can remember screaming in his face, you are not my father. And so I ran away from home and that was the last time that I lived at home. So 15, I ran away from home, got brought back by the police, lived with my brother. Uh , he graciously took me in and gave me the guidance that I was needing . But he knew that I couldn't be in that environment with, with that guy. So at 17 I went through drug and alcohol treatment. I've been sober ever since the summer, it'll be 41 years with sobriety and started with the Department of Corrections when I was 19. And my first daughter was born, my high school girlfriend got pregnant , uh, the summer outta high school. And my, my oldest daughter, Nicole, was born. And it was at that time that my father drove up to O Claire and said, Hey, just need you to know I'm not your dad. News to me. And so he was claiming that the guy that moved in with my mom was actually my father. And so I raised that question. It was denied. Actually. What they said was, that's ridiculous. And I said, so it's not true. And mom said , no , it's ridiculous. So it took another nine years before me to actually get the answer, which was, yes, he is . In fact, my father and I had five more siblings. I knew their names simply because of being in that family. And I had worked with one of them at the prison for years not knowing he was my brother. Wow. Lived three doors down from him, not knowing he was my brother. Wow. Yeah. So 92, I started on the Oakland Fire Department in 93 I find out that Bill is actually my father. And this whole time, you know, as being a first responder, there's been all of these traumas just from being a first responder, all of the things that first responders see that we cannot unsee. You're right. Absolutely. So those traumas are piling up. Yeah. On top of the sexual assault, on top of the familiar dysfunction that was so present in my world. And then in 2007 , uh, I had a , an accident at work. I was a search and recovery diver. We were doing a training dive December of 2007 under the ice when I was 80 feet away from my entrance hole . I had an equipment malfunction and I lost my communication in air . And when I was brought up, I was unconscious in not breathing. That incident is what began, everything that has led to today . That incident messed me up so badly. The whole suicide thing came back into play. I had found peace in my drowning. I'd gone from this indescribable panic to the exact opposite, indescribable peace . Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, and then was brought back. Right. I was angry that I had been brought back. Life had not been easy up until that point. You know , I had gotten married, had another child, my youngest daughter Danielle. And that relationship ended epically. And you know, looking back, I now know that all of these traumas played into the role, how I show up in relationships. Yes . So I've learned a lot. So the year following the accident was extremely difficult. Everything began to fall apart and I was forced to look at things. 2000 , I should go back to 2000 , you know, seven years before the accident, my abuser from my sexual assault was arrested. Wow. And somebody had called and said that he'd been arrested In 2000, I began to have it needing to unpack the sexual assault. 2007 I had the dive accident, which again forces that cuz now we're trying to clear the trauma. Right. Of the diving accident. And my mental health. People are like, something's not right here, but you've got something else that's stuck. And I'm like, oh , it's probably that back here. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> from a kid. And they're like, yeah, absolutely is . So it was about that time that I was heavily getting into horses. I became a professional, a horsemanship instructor and horse trainers through an organization. And that put me in contact with the people that ultimately, like seven, eight years later, would come to me and say, I'm in this coaching program, learning to be a coach to help people with trauma. And I, this very dear friend of mine said, I know your background and I know how you teach horsemanship. I , you could use it personally and I think you'd be a really good coach and I thank you very much. And poo put it , and awfully went two years later, she came back and said, no, really you, she was graduating then . But you have to look at this. You know, this is , this is the universe. Now when I say universe, you can insert God's spirit universe, you know, great spirit. All of it. I mean, that's , that was the universe pinging me on the head. Like , dude , you've got to listen to this. Yeah . And then, so I was a little bit more interested the second time she brought it up. And then I , I met another gentleman that was interested in using my horses for coaching. We had a great talk. What's next? And he said, well actually I think you should become a coach. I'm like, wow, I've heard this before <laugh>. And I said , what would you suggest? And he threw out the name of Melissa Pierce and the program touched by a horse. And I'm like, that sounds familiar. And I'm at lunch and I literally texted my friend Stacy , under the table. I'm like, is Melissa Pierce the one you were telling me about? She said, yes. Why? Wow, now you've got three instances , two different people pointing me to Melissa Pierce's program touched by a horse out in Colorado. And I'm like, alright . And so in 28, 20 18, I enrolled in her program, which is a two year , uh, very intensive two year certification program to learn to be a coach in that process, you have to do your own work. Melissa will not graduate you from the program if you have not done your personal work. Right. That's to ensure that we can be with clients in their Yeah . Turmoil without getting in the river with 'em . Right.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Holding space.
Speaker 4:Holding space. Exactly. It was in that program that I began to put words around. What we now talk about is intuition. And I began to, I knew that when I interacted with my horses and truly the name heart of a horse came from, I had my two horses in 2005, 2007 to the diving accident in 2008 . Uh , I, I had nowhere to be, I didn't feel safe anywhere. I felt judged by everyone. I had some people that were in my corner. This is awful. I had some people against my corner saying, you're faking it. You're making this up cuz you, you don't want to go back to words . Mm-hmm . <affirmative> , um, the significant relationship that I'd been in for almost 10 years at that point was, had been failing. And now it was failing massively because I, I had no way of, I didn't know how to deal with what was going on inside me. And the only place that I felt safe was in the pasture. Yeah. I could just go out and be with my horses and I could groom and I could cry and I could scream and I could down . And they were always present. Yeah . I mean , not just physically, but they were emotionally, spiritually present. Yeah. And that's where I felt safe. And so when I once started school to become a , a coach, I knew what horses brought to the table. Cause I had personally experienced it.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:And it's, it's a bit indescribable. I can't, it's really hard to say, well here's what they do, here's how they show up. It's more of an energetic thing. It's more of a intuition thing. Yeah.
Speaker 3:They just do. So
Speaker 4:Yeah. They just , so when I was in <laugh> Yeah, yeah. They're , they're, they're sentient being
Speaker 3:Oh , very for sure. Mm-hmm . <affirmative>. Yeah .
Speaker 4:Very . So in school, Melissa started talking about following your intuition and listening to your intuition and how to hone that and do I say it, develop it because we all have it. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:<affirmative>,
Speaker 4:It , it's, it really matters. And how tuned in we are to ourselves to know that it's intuition speaking to us. And when I say intuition speaking to me, I often, well, I'll be perfectly honest with you before I see every client, I have three, a list of three things. A mantra that I say. And, but the third one is, I am a conduit from source for the highest good and greatest joy in my client . Allow me to be a conduit for the greatest good and highest joy of my client . And that's where I believe intuition comes from. Yeah . For me . And so beautiful. If I've opened that door and trust what I'm receiving, and I now have done this long enough, I have , especially when I'm with a client, that I have a very strong tell in my body. I have a very, very visceral somatic response when I have landed on what I'm after , uh, so to speak. You know, we're , cuz with a client, we're peeling back layers. Trying to get down to the root of why we do what we do and where things come from that we're not broken. None of nobody that comes to, to the heart of a horse is broken or damaged. There's nothing wrong with them. No. Something has happened to them . And we need to find and get underneath that and be courageous and vulnerable and look at what's happened. And when we , when I find that piece , when I get there in the session, I have a very, this usually brings tears to my eyes. I'll get kind of a shutter through my core . I'll get to the shutter and then tears in my eyes . I'm like , okay , I know we just left . Mm-hmm . <affirmative> , that was my download . That was where to go .
Speaker 3:Yeah .
Speaker 4:And I, I've learned just through now hundreds of clients to just trust that . And that's the biggest part that I've learned about intuition is sometimes I'll get, you know, things and , and they're not right. Do not make a big deal out of it . That's what my mentor said. Just go. Yep . Okay. Move on. Don't make a big deal out of it. Right. And when you are Right. Make a big deal out of it. That's how you train yourself. You don't focus on on when it didn't work. You focus on when it did work. And the more you focus on when it does work, the more you'll receive, the more it will happen. So yeah . So then , uh, I graduated in 2020 and opened my practice. And as we all know that the world stopped. Yeah . So now the imposter syndrome creeped in . So now I've got this is I take very seriously what I do and what I do with clients. And, you know, oftentimes these are the deepest, darkest secrets and things that people just have been so afraid to bring up. And I can relate to them really, really well. Right. So I take it very seriously and the imposter syndrome creeps in of, oh , who do you think you are? And all of this . And so by not coaching in 2020 because of co because of Covid, man, that imposter got good and loud. And so 21, when the world started to free up a bit, I started to see clients here. And then I became very apparent that I needed a building. Cause I was doing my coaching sessions outside. And so I started construction in December of 21 of a large indoor facility on my property here to be able to see clients out of the element <laugh> create a home for the heart of a horse. Yes . And so, March 11th, 2022, I saw my very first client. I think she was like seven or eight years old, but she was the first client in the new building. I'm 22 . And so I just actually, I literally just had my open house for the heart of a horse Saturday and had a great turnout. It was really well received . And so since that time I've been building my practice. I work with first responders, work with veterans, I work with , uh, people new in recovery. I have some referral contracts with some local agencies. So I have a lot of people in recovery. And the traumas that kind of created the addiction and traumas that were created during the addictions that were unpacking and uncovering. And , and I just, I just have to keep saying more of this, please. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, and that's why I appreciate the opportunity to be able to speak with you today, is that I want the message out. Um, there is help. I have been following my gut throughout this whole thing, this whole journey, not knowing that the dots were connecting Yeah . Leading somewhere. And I trust that, trusting my intuition, trusting my gut that I am on the right path. I get affirmations all the time from spirit that tells me that I'm doing the right thing. There's times, there's been times that I've began really doubting, am I doing the right thing? Is this ever gonna grow? Is it ever going to amount to anything? And out of the blue, I will get a , a message from somebody, either a former client or somebody that saw some content on my Facebook page, and they just very, from a very heartfelt place, they tell me how it resonated. I'm like, man, that was, that was spirit saying, do not doubt. Let me show you something. Yeah. And I, over the years, I have learned to trust that .
Speaker 3:So I'm, I'm going to make an observation because intuition was probably involved in every single step.
Speaker 4:Absolutely.
Speaker 3:Not just, not just this work and this honing that Melissa has taught you. Um, because I, I've recently just even had a conversation with two firemen on the weekend about supporting mental health and how necessary it is. And, and they were super receptive. So I think the planet is ripe for supporting mental health for sure. I think we've, we've been brought to this place and it's not just mental health, it's energetic health, it's spiritual health. It's, it's absolutely physical health. It's all aspects of our health were being brought to this place. And so the fact that you got into the lines of work that you got into being somebody who was , who was traumatized and like coming out of addiction at such a young age. I mean, you could have gone and done an office job, but you chose two career paths that you un you're now servicing with all this awareness. And so you're able to service them because you have walked it probably more , more able to service it than, than some other providers because you've walked it potentially, potentially not. I mean, I'm just throwing that out there. Um , no , it's ,
Speaker 4:That's extremely accurate. So much as a healing process following trauma is mindset, right? Mm-hmm .
Speaker 3:<affirmative>
Speaker 4:And how do we get into a mindset? It's so easy for people and speaking for myself, it's very easy for me to spiral down and you get caught in this loop that's just lack of a better term, toxic mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And you have to be able to change your state. You know, if I'm in a state of sadness or a state of depression or a state of anxiety, how do I take control of myself? How do I take control of my own emotions and change my state? A lot of that is mindset. So what you're referencing is so accurate. I dealt with, I see people that are, that have our survivors of sexual assault who stay in a victim mode. Like I would've amounted to something had this not happened. Right. My life would've been so different if this never happened. I actually tried to meet my abuser several years ago. It , it didn't pan up , which is an interesting story. But the reason was, was because I needed him to see, the last time he saw me, I was 11. Right. The last time he saw me, he, he abused me.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 4:And I wanted him to see who I am today and what I've become. Bite of him. Yeah . And without that experience, I don't fit with somebody in my arena who is the survivor of sexual assault. Well,
Speaker 3:And it's ,
Speaker 4:And have any frame of reference. No. So I'm grateful for my ex for my experience. Yes.
Speaker 3:Yes .
Speaker 4:Because it allows me to sit, I'm grateful for my PTs d diagnosis in the, in the diving accident because it allows me to sit with a veteran or another first responder Yeah . Who's having nightmares, who's having anxiety attacks, who's relationships are falling apart. It allows me to be there. Cause I can say I can't completely relate to yours, but I got my own. That sounds real familiar.
Speaker 3:It sounds familiar. Yeah .
Speaker 4:I'm grateful for that dive diving accident because it allows me to be present with somebody who's suffering without it. I, I can't, I'm not there. So the mindset is this happened for me rather than to me .
Speaker 3:Yeah . That's nice .
Speaker 4:Didn't note at the time. Trust me. It happened to me. It wasn't until years later. And lots of healing and lots of work and personal work and everything to get to a point decision in the reality is this happened for
Speaker 3:Me. Well, one in three, one in three. And and so every person on the planet is affected because people know the one and three. And , um, they don't know that they know the one and three necessarily, but if it's not you, it's your best friend and you or your sibling or Yeah .
Speaker 4:Yep .
Speaker 3:You know, those , and
Speaker 4:For men,
Speaker 3:For men, it's huge.
Speaker 4:Men don't speak up , they don't
Speaker 3:Speak. And that's where horses, horses and, and other modalities that don't require speaking are, are so profound for the males on this planet. Because that safe zone is where they will start to speak is my, is my awareness. And then you add the component where energetically there's a knowing you understand or you get it, not necessarily understand, but you get it. So it's huge.
Speaker 4:And I, I tell my story and I , I began telling the story of my sexual assault not from any other place, other than I want anybody else who has been sitting silent. There is power in speaking
Speaker 3:So much power. I'm the other one in three. And there is so much power.
Speaker 4:Yeah. Yeah . When you begin telling your story , um, you begin to take back the reins of your life and your emotions and you, you take back the control that your abuser took from you. Yes. When you begin naming it and saying, this is what happened, this is how I dealt with it , this is where I'm at now, and I choose to speak. Yeah . I choose to name it , call it out. Because you're actually giving. And what my prayer is, is that I'm giving male or female, but I'm giving somebody else the courage to say, I can speak up, I'll speak up. I've never told this to anybody.
Speaker 3:Yes. Honestly, I, I think the speaking part is about any trauma, not just sexual, but any trauma. As soon as you unlock those, that vocal box, it does shift the power and dynamic away from the trauma, having the power and mm-hmm . <affirmative> the person having the power. This is , this has been fantastic. I'm, I'm go . You've mentioned a few things. Yeah . And know , hindsight is so apparent in being able to connect those dots and know when your intuition fell in place. But how does intuition come to you? You talked about it a little bit when in your work mm-hmm . <affirmative> , the other thing, I guess I need to just circumvent my question here a little bit, is I think that there are elements where are , there are times and spaces when trauma makes us not listen to our intuition. And that could be in relationships, because relationships were shattered in your history. And so you learn not to trust. Cuz and from my experience too, you trusted the swimming coach. You, you trusted adults in your life to bring good people in your life and things like that. And so when that trust gets broken, we are trusting externally based on the story we're told. And there's probably an override button that happens because of trauma that we will trust exterior things more than ourselves in those circumstances. What do you think about
Speaker 4:That? What what resonates with me on that is especially, well, how do I say this? Science is proving without a doubt that as children who suffer significant traumas or what some people call the ACEs.
Speaker 3:ACEs, yeah .
Speaker 4:Adverse childhood, adverse childhood experiences. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, we rewire the brain. Yes. Because the brain always has this great neuroplasticity, it's ability to change and adapt mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And the brain is only here for one reason. It is only part of us because it's here to keep us alive.
Speaker 3:Safety. Yeah .
Speaker 4:Beginning and end. That's it. Keep us, keep us breathing, keep us upright. And so when things happen to us, such as traumas, the brain gets rewired and we have learning, we have, you know, one time learning, oh , this is bad. And so anything in the future that even remotely looks like that bad, bad thing, the brain goes, yep . No , what this is, don't do that. Don't go there, don't say this. Don't speak up. Hide, flee. Right . Fight. You know, it just goes into this preservation mode. And that's what we call a trauma response. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So when things happen and we start to doubt, I , for personally in my sexual assault, why, you know, the, in the early days of my recovery from that, why didn't I speak up? Why didn't I tell somebody it happened? Right. And so I begin judging, which is me looking at the thoughts, actions, and feelings of a child through the lens of an adult.
Speaker 3:Adult. Yes.
Speaker 4:So I'm looking back and judging my 11 year old self and saying, why didn't you speak up? Why didn't you say something? And that's, that's completely, I would never do that to the 11 year old child, the 11 year old boy standing before me . I would never look at this child and say, there's something wrong with you because you didn't tell.
Speaker 3:Right. Didn't have a safe person to tell either.
Speaker 4:Yeah. We would do it to ourselves. Right? Yes . So now push that forward into adulthood, we begin doubting our ability. And so when something happens, when intuition shows up, when our gut says, follow this, we've lost the trust in ourselves. And so we immediately doubt where that comes from and we doubt the validity of what that intuition is because we've told ourselves a story for so long that I'm either, I'm not enough, I'm not capable, I'm not lovable, I don't know how to do this. You know, all of these stories that we make up, but we tell ourselves repeatedly, which through neurolinguistic programming mm-hmm . <affirmative> , we now know that words do not describe your reality. They create your reality.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 4:So the more that I tell myself I'm not enough, the more I live into that notion of I'm not enough or I'm not capable.
Speaker 3:So true.
Speaker 4:The more I tell myself I'm not capable, the more I live into that, see , I'm not capable. And that can be work, it can be relationships, it can be anything. And so when intuition lands, we don't trust. Cuz we've, we've already convinced ourselves that we're not capable. So it's changing again, changing that mindset and changing that state to say , no, I do love myself. Yeah . As ridiculous as that sound . Yeah . Looking at yourself in the mirror, looking in your eyes in the mirror and saying, I love Mari myself , can change your state. So that doubting Yeah . I think that's what you're getting at. What I heard in your question was , yes , we doubt intuition because we have so much evidence that life goes wrong.
Speaker 3:Thank you for sharing that .
Speaker 4:The opposite is true too. Yes. There's so much right in life. What am I looking for? Because you'll find it.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 4:If you're looking for proof that the world stinks, you'll find it. You'll find it. If you are looking for proof that the world is beautiful, you'll find it. Yeah.
Speaker 3:So I will get back to my question. How does it come to you? Yes .
Speaker 4:So I will say a again, now I'm, I'm maybe further down the self-discovery, self-awareness path than , than I certainly was two years ago, five years ago, 10 years ago . The last two years , um, have been exponential growth in a lot. There are areas in my life that's due to , uh, some people that have entered my life that I just cherish. And I've, it's little baby steps, it's little things that occur that you kind of have what I will describe as unknowing . It's not, I wonder it's, I know. And so you just kind of follow that energetic vein and when it was correct, you celebrate it . And so for me, the way it comes to me in just my everyday life mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I , I have a morning ceremony and I have an evening ceremony. I believe that ceremony in our, in our lives is very important to grounding, to bookending. I, I call it bookending my day. I start grounded. I end grounded. And if things kind of go haywire in between, it can't get too far off the rails. And it's during those, my morning and evening ceremonies that quite often I will get a knowing because I've quieted myself, I've quieted my mind to the monkey mind as they say, as best I can . But I settle and I quiet and I maybe meditate for a little bit. And then not a ritual of meditating, but just literally quieting. And I'll get a download. I get a knowing it comes to me that way. Sometimes I believe that spirit interacts, just like when I said I was doubting myself as a coach. And then people would reach out and go, wow, we love what you do. That was spirit speaking through other people. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> saying, I need you to know this. And that's , I guess that's the whole thing, intuition, spirit through other people, through the horses, everything. It's the universe energetically saying, Hey, I need you to know this. And can I , over the years and especially over the last two years, can I begin to listen to them ? Can I quiet myself, be aware enough of myself that I begin to listen in little by little by little. My confidence in that knowing in those downloads grew. And so in life, I'll get it through other people. I'll get it through the horses. Um , I'll get it in my quiet meditating times when I'm with a client and we're exploring and we're looking to, I'm looking for that thing. What's the one thing that I can help this client with? That they'll walk away with some self-compassion. And when that lands, yeah, it literally comes like right now mm-hmm. <affirmative> , it comes as a annoying . That is , it's very moving. We've all seen the , a movie or read a book or whatever, and you just really get moved to tears. There's just that settling of that emotion, of moved to tears. That that's what happens when I've gotten a download that says , yes, this is where you need to be. You know, in this line of questioning and helping this client or in this conversation of this is where you need to be. It's just a very deep moving, emotionally moving thing brings tears to my eyes of , well , the fullness in my chest, the fullness in my heart. That's when I know the spirit is saying, you're on the right track .
Speaker 3:Thank you for sharing that. Thank you for today. This has been ,
Speaker 4:You're so welcome. Thank you. This
Speaker 3:Has been wonderful. I , well, maybe there's a book in there, Robert. Maybe there's a book. Uh ,
Speaker 4:I'm 58,000 words into it.
Speaker 3:Perfect.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Perfect. All right . Well until next time, thank you again.
Speaker 4:Thank you Heather so much. Thank you for the opportunity to share. I hope this resonates with somebody. There's hope. Just know , there's hope. What I tell my clients is , for every time that you've fallen down your track record for getting back up is 100%. You have gotten up every single time you've fallen down. And if I were a betting man, I would bet you will get back up again. Cuz your track record is perfect for getting back up. So just know that there is hope, even if you are hurting today. There's hope.
Speaker 3:Thank you for that. Robert,
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