I spoke with Dustin Leinenbach on June 27, 2023. We talked about his work and the connection of horses and people in relationships and how applying the same mindset to both can be really supportive. We also spoke about how experience can play a part in our intuition.
Bio
Dustin is a curious-minded individual with a background that touches on many interests and experiences. He carries with him a corporate resume, with an education in business and technology. He finds himself geeking out over passions like teaching, music, houseplants, handyman projects, and tabletop games. Despite all of these personally fulfilling interests, Dustin’s primary passion lands him on one title: Horseman.
https://nexushorsemanship.com/
https://www.facebook.com/nexushorsemanship
I spoke with Dustin Leinenbach on June 27, 2023. We talked about his work and the connection of horses and people in relationships and how applying the same mindset to both can be really supportive. We also spoke about how experience can play a part in our intuition.
Bio
Dustin is a curious-minded individual with a background that touches on many interests and experiences. He carries with him a corporate resume, with an education in business and technology. He finds himself geeking out over passions like teaching, music, houseplants, handyman projects, and tabletop games. Despite all of these personally fulfilling interests, Dustin’s primary passion lands him on one title: Horseman.
https://nexushorsemanship.com/
https://www.facebook.com/nexushorsemanship
Welcome to Sears Beers, knowers and Doers, a podcast about intuition. Do you know what that is? Intuition to me is that inner sense for knowing that something is true. And yet I have no proof. But there's so many definitions and there's so many ways it can come. I'm looking to bring together and share with you some amazing guests who have some amazing life stories and also some insights into how intuition can come, and I'm looking to gather those crows in the trees. I hope you're one of them. I hope that this podcast inspires you to be more connected to your intuition, and I hope that by doing that, we make the world a better place. Thanks for coming on this journey with me.
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Speaker 3:So I'm super excited to have Dustin Lennon Bach back and see where we go today cause we've had the opportunity to connect. And interestingly, this is same day recording cuz we've been, I think I've talked to you more than anybody else in the last 48 hours, <laugh> , but , uh, it seemed to go just like it was supposed to. So thanks for joining me again, Dustin. I appreciate your time today.
Speaker 4:Good . I'm glad you , uh, invited me on. And again, I'm grateful and , and humbled to be highlighted on, on a show like this. I think you have a very interesting approach with the whole in intentionality thing and the whole intuition thing. That's how we live our lives, whether we know it or not. Whether we are have a refined skillset in terms of our intuition, or we're just feeling it and, and unknowingly following it or fighting it. There's a lot to be said about , uh, how we move forward in our lives. And so I think you have a really great medium here to share about that and get a lot of different perspectives. So I'm glad to be on and I'm excited for us to dive in. We just scratched the surface, I think, in our first little episode, and so I'm ready to dive in a little deeper because I think you and I are of similar mindsets with our Libra mentalities. And yeah , I wanna learn more about you and I think I wanna share whatever's going on in my rattling around in my brain. So I'm excited.
Speaker 3:Before the podcast, I, I literally just wrote down something that you spoke about and it kind of segues from our previous chat in the podcast where you mentioned how when you are dealing with a horse, you wanna set appropriate like expectations with your clients and you wanna take into, this isn't how exactly you said it, but you take into account the mental health of a horse. And I wrote that down . Yeah . And I circled it because mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I'm not sure that there's an awareness that there is a such thing as a mental health of a horse. And I'm aware and, and I think people, people think behaviors with horses , probably my audience will say, oh yes, mental health of a horse, Heather , we're intuitive. Like of course we recognize that that's mental health of a horse, but it , it may get into hands of people that don't think about mental health of a horse. And to me, I think that, I always like to segue it back to people and kids and relationships. And with horses, they don't have verbal skills like we do. And so you're having to pick up on nuance subtleties, sometimes very obvious behaviors. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But I wanted you to just talk a little bit more about your perspective on that. Cuz the other thing I wrote down was how your substitute teaching, which we didn't get into <laugh> in the previous podcast, and how right courses has helped you in the classroom. However you wanna address those two topics. I really would like to get to know more about that from your perspective.
Speaker 4:Well, I think I'd start with the former focus there, which is mental health of the horse. Um, certainly when we're working with the horse, I mean, maybe there are some people out there who can get into the mind and really communicate mentally with a horse. Um, some sort of telepathy. I certainly don't have that , uh, that skillset or that mutant power. But the way that I go about reading a horse in my, in my short time, really heavily working with them, I guess last year or two, I'm reading a lot of non-verbals. And that comes with their positioning. Whether they are very heavily stepping into you with their shoulder or if they aren't willing to come in to you, I'm looking at the tension in their body when a horse's head is propped up and their lips are, I call it glued shut, they're not licking and chewing, they're staring off into space. They haven't blown out, they haven't licked and chewed the , the spacing of their feet where their feet land, whether their front feet have landed right next to each other in a relaxed manner versus one foot much farther back. Whether they wanna put you in the eye that you're working on, if you're working on the left side. And they try to continually put themselves, put you in their right eye position themselves so that you're, you know, forced to switch sides. So those are all data points to help a person conclude that maybe they're trying to avoid some kind of discomfort, whether that's physical discomfort or maybe mental, emotional discomfort. They're trying to avoid letting you into that space. They have their guard up. And in my humble opinion and my opinion, my opinion alone, I'll say that , uh, if they're avoiding letting you into that space, then from a mental standpoint, they aren't ready. They aren't ready for you to be in that space, and they need some patience and some consistency to allow you into that space. I think if you force yourself into that space, which is perfectly , uh, feasible for, you know, many, many generations, we've been able to manage a horse in a way that we get them to do what we need them to do. And sometimes I think for, you know, in certain eras and , uh, like historically, we need that horse for our survival, whether it's war or it's farming or it , uh, just getting to town , uh, with a covered wagon to, you know, get supplies. I'm sure if, you know, even if they had some kind of formalized version of liberty, they're still leaning toward the approach that is gonna get that horse to follow through the fastest , um, so that they can survive as a family or as a community , um, or the nation. And so I , I mentioned the Libra mindset. I have to, I have to at least look at these situations from different perspectives. And the perspective that I have the opportunity to focus on is now putting the horse first in a lot of these spaces where I'm doing workshops and lessons and, and clinics and, and spending time with a lot of different horses. If I'm in there with them and I have the time, I want to give them I patience so that they can follow through , uh, on, in , on their timeframe. We're working within our, our structure that we've built, our mutual understanding. And so when it comes to the health of the horse, coming back to that, you can create a space where that horse has the opportunity to step to you and open up and let their guard down and let you into that space. Or you can rush the process or immerse them very significantly. It immerse them, essentially pull them into that space and for like , keep them there until they overcome it. And they, they dull down to the point where they, it's no longer , uh, a, a concern for them. I think from what I've seen, that may create a horse that is well behaved and is capable of doing the job. You know, we've seen some trail horses out there for these like nose to butt trail rides, which is not a bad thing if you look at it from a perspective of maybe some of these horses in that space may have had a much worse life had they not been taken in by a facility like that and utilized mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And at least they get to be around some of their, their horse friends and get to be, interact with a lot of different people. But sometimes, I'm not saying all, but I can't say that none of those horses are kind of dead in the eyes mm-hmm . <affirmative> and they're just kind of locked in and that's what they do. They, they , you don't see quite as much spirit mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And so from a mental standpoint, we see a little more spirit in some of the horses that have had an opportunity to make that choice and to come along as a team and to be accounted for and listened to throughout the process. Maybe taking a little longer on the front end to build that foundation of trust before you can build on top of it so you see a little more spirit. You don't have to lunge this horse for 20 minutes before you can go and ride them. You have their mind and you have their trust so you can climb on and have all that spirit in the direction that you can both go together. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> , I'm sure you've met those people in your life that are a little bit, maybe they day in and day out, they're doing what they need to do for their family. They're going to work, they're coming home, they're taking their boots off, they're going to bed, they're waking up, they're having breakfast, they're going to work, they're coming home, they're taking their boots off and going to bed. There's some deadness in some of the , some of those people . Mm . They're doing the thing that they have to do to support their family . Certainly. Yeah . But from a mental health standpoint, if you really dug down and and interviewed that person, maybe even from a therapeutic standpoint, how happy are they? How fulfilled are they spiritually by that job or by that, that routine? I see . Maybe they're fulfilled by supporting their family. Certainly, yes. But day in and day out, are they personally fulfilled? So you have, you look at it from both perspectives. And I'd say I, I personally, maybe I'm biased because that's kind of my vocation or my profession, but I lean toward giving that horse the time to make that, that mental choice. Mm . To allow me in . We keep coming back to it. I keep challenging them certainly. And I, let me , how do I put this? We're we're working together to , to make the right choice a lot more appealing. Um, not overdoing it on the making the wrong choice hard, but allowing them in when, when they make the right choice, we take any, any pressure that we've had on them, whether it's just controlling the direction and allow , allowing them to move at whatever pace they'd like. When they finally make that choice to step in and show some attention, we take all that pressure away. And that's conditioning them in the beginning, it's, we're conditioning them to understand that there's peace with that person. There's a release with that person. So we may manufacture that choice in the beginning. And once they're in, that's when we give them the space to really settle in and relax and let their head down and relax their eyes and lick and chew and show a release of tension and yawn. And then once they've settled in and they've let go, they've let their guard down, then we have a responsibility to not take advantage of that vulnerable space. And we can build on top of that very gently, very thoughtfully in a, in a , in a process manner, in a connected communicative manner. Uh , I hope that answered your question. I was rambling a little bit, but Yeah . Um , I kind of out about that side of it.
Speaker 3:Yeah. And imagine if we could do that for toddlers <laugh>.
Speaker 4:Oh man.
Speaker 3:I know. Yeah, I know. Anyways, I just leave that as a question out there for people.
Speaker 4:Yeah , that would be, that would be awesome. And I think , um, there are some ways to do that, to do that gently, when they do a good thing, they get a positive response. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And we don't have to , um, certainly as a toddler , um, the , the different, the adolescent and younger ages, there's not a lot of reasoning. See , you can't sit down and explain the whole full on long-term reason of why we do this. Right. It's, you made , if you make a good, if you make good choices, good things will come to you. If you make bad choices, life's gonna be a little bit harder. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And so get into a habit of making good choices. And I mean, guess leading into the whole, the students. So the , the students that misbehave, when you get back into the classroom perspective, you take that horseman mindset, that liberty mindset, and allow them to operate in a space of, as long as they're within those guidelines of respect, then I, I want them to be able to get to the end goal of whatever assignment it is, choosing the path that's most appealing to them, as long as they're getting the assignment done and they're respectful to the people around them and to the space around them. Um, absolutely find your own path. Be creative. As long as you're getting to the same end goal of what the assignment was set up for, then, then do it . But if you're starting to step out and distract others and be loud and get up from your desk and, you know, be disrespectful when questions are asked, then we have to work our way back into those guidelines and reign it in a little bit. Just like with the horses. They, you know , kicking, biting, striking, rearing, or running you over. Uh, but as long as in the direction I ask you to go, we can work with that. So with the students, I want to make a point that like when they're doing the right thing, I wanna highlight the good, the good decisions that they're making. I wanna make sure they know that they made a good decision. I don't want 'em to just feel pressure all day long. I want 'em be able to come into, if they see me as a substitute or they see me as a paraprofessional, like an aide in the classroom, I want them to be excited. Cuz they know what the boundaries are. They know what to expect and they know they're gonna have some freedom as long as it's within the guidelines. So, cool. There's, there's ways I think to, to work that in. Um, it just wouldn't be exactly the same as if you were working with a horse. Certainly,
Speaker 3:Yeah. For sure. Uh , it's , I just find it , uh, interesting where there's a lot of structures in society today and school is where we learned to be structured to me. Um , yeah . As well as home mm-hmm . <affirmative> in some cases. It just intrigued me when you, when you said, oh , I , you're here, you are a liberty coach with horses and you applied in the classroom, I'm like, elaborate for me please. Cuz that just creates lots of possibilities in my head. Um, and maybe that's where Oh yeah . That will land somewhere out in the world with the worldwide web and podcast land that it could inspire many, many things hopefully. So,
Speaker 4:Yeah. I mean, for those people who are getting started in the horse world, it's depending on what area you're in, like geographically, the horse world slows down in the winter and during the monsoon seasons, and just when there's, when there's significant weather for many, many weeks or months at a time, you just, it slows down. There's so many open air arenas and uncovered round pins and cold barns, and they may not need you as a trainer or as a physical therapist or like a massage therapist. A lot of times those tough seasons in the horse world align pretty well with the school season, which is the fall all the way through the spring. And so I'm lucky to have, you know, fell into that as well. Just outta curiosity, I was looking up some other jobs just coming outta the winter this year. I was feeling pretty rough financially. And so I , I was able to get in there and work with some, some horses and do some ranch labor and, and pay the bills somewhat. But I, I needed to do more if I was going to continue to invest in this , the larger goal of this whole nexus horsemanship thing. And I looked at, you know, what jobs might be available out there and substitute came up and there weren't a ton of creden credentials that you needed. It was at least a , a high school degree and a , a clean record and a willingness to work with the kids. And substitutes right now are heavily needed with everything going on in the school system and mm-hmm . <affirmative> and many of the teachers, you generally, I mean, just by default, you have more, a lot more women in the school system than men. Women are just more nurturing and, and interested in, in helping bring out the child , um, whether it's from an educational standpoint or from like a , a motherly nurturing standpoint. And so women, as they progress through their lives, they want to grow their own families. And so they need to step away for like maternity leave. And so when you have a , a teacher on maternity leave or, or like a large population of, of people of women out there who need to step away, no one needs to fill that role until they can come back. So men substitutes are absolutely a necessity. Um, and if you can find ones that are willing to not only just keep the kids alive for a day and maybe invest in them a little bit and show them an example of someone who can show them respect and patience and, you know, but within, you know, within guidelines, whether or not they know it, they've had a little experience that seed has been planted of, you know, what their life can look like as an adult.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 4:Um, and so yeah , I , I wanna take those kids and give 'em a clean slate every day and give them , just like the horses, I want to be able to start fresh with them every day , not hold any grudges and not have any preconceived notions. Let 'em make the choice and then adjust accordingly. And then let 'em make the choice and adjust accordingly. Rather than, you know, holding 'em down and, and making them go a direction. I want them to learn how to decide what direction to go and be creative and go and do their research and learn. It's about, like you said, the structure of how to learn and behave in life, rather than maybe the specific topic that they're working toward in the classroom. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> less about the end goal and more about their, their skillset in finding the answers themselves. If you can get that set up and if you can be one more person in their life to help nudge them that direction, you know, in cooperation with the teachers who are already helping, you know, in a supportive role like that. And I think there are plenty of horse people out there who understand what that's like. The patience, the understanding, the communication, just helping a another being through something difficult. If we implemented more horse people into the, into the education system, I think it could be a very positive thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Well, and just even the mindset into relationships. Cause <laugh> , you're bringing up some basic skills that not everybody has been exposed to in their lives. And so through the school systems , awesome. But through this format, I'm just a human being, whether they're in school or not, <laugh> , that , that's kind of one of those things that through this podcast, I regularly do that because 30% are horse people. And that's because I've just wanted to have conversations with horse people. It's my podcast. So it's like, okay , let's do this. But through my own understanding, working with the horses, I just see the personal growth. And you cannot pull the wool over the eyes of a horse. Now, whether they're willing to give you that feedback always in a way that's obvious is , uh, not always the case, but if you pay attention, it becomes more obvious if there's patterns or what have you. So yeah. It's interesting. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Cause there's people like that too.
Speaker 4:Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, the horse will always tell you the truth. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> , um, about how they're feeling , uh, in that scenario. Maybe not right away. Maybe they're gonna try real hard to hold it down for you , but eventually if you keep going that direction, they're gonna tell you the truth. Yeah. And that's like another cool thing about the offline work is they the most authentic truth that they can tell you because they have all the choice in the world to go the other direction or step away from you. When they finally make that commitment to be with you, that's their choice. They're 1200 pound animals . If they wanted to, they could plow us right over. But we understand, you know, they're, they're a prey animal and we, we understand their mindset and how they operate in challenging situations. So we can adjust accordingly, and we can have tools to adjust for the way that they act out in a healthy way. And so if we can manage and account for, or guide them in those situations where they're feeling challenged and draw them in and guide them to a more peaceful place, or, or at least guide them into a space where they have a chance to settle in and trust us, open up and trust us, then we're more likely to have them as a teammate. So that's, it's just so cool. It's so special to this day. It's so special that they can , they're willing to come along with you and you have their, their trust and their, their draw.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I was excited when you adopted Declan. I was like, you can't have him go anywhere else, <laugh> .
Speaker 4:So especially after having worked with him, it was one thing I felt it, you know, but this is the first time I had , I had had an opportunity to work with a horse at that level consistently multiple times a week, and really being very engaged and getting in depth with the training. And it's the first time I had the opportunity to feel that I didn't have a frame of reference, the ability to help this horse grow and this horse is helping me grow. It's starting to feel pretty special. And then we started, I started to think about what happens when we go and advertise this horse for adoption and try to, you know, raise the funds for these , uh, these rescues that these horses came from. And I couldn't, I couldn't bring myself to it. And everyone online, they saw it as team D and d. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> team, Dustin , Declan . They , they could all see the connection too . Yes. And I think that was the, that was the boost that I needed. So many people online just saw it. So clearly people in the horse world who have been through this, they're like, this is definitely gonna be a long-term thing. And so I'm lucky to have him, and it's special for me to be in his space and hang out with him and have him work with me just because I know him , you know, but it's extra special to see him work with other people, go from a horse that was just totally afraid and dangerous to the point now where we're at , uh, mean even four or five months in, he was, I could have him work with, with my students, Wendy. And he, Wendy was my first student and Declan's first student, and she's been one of my longest term. I'm still working with her. She wanted to get into the , the training side to be prepared for when she eventually adopted a horse . Man , I , plenty of people over there , um, in , uh, Kansas, Johnna and her daughter Ryan and Rachel, they , uh, they took in Declan , uh, while I was still finding a place to bring him to here in Texas. Um , those guys over in Kansas , uh, I call it Rancho Day , Rachel. She, it was nice to have Declan in a place where I knew he was gonna be loved and cared for. And I got selfies from Ryan, the teenage daughter, and Declan on a regular basis. I assumed that when I got Declan back, he was gonna be so pampered that I would have to like, sing him songs and rub his feet before he would work with me, you know, <laugh> <laugh> . And it's really special and motivating knowing that I can have him in those spaces and, and not be there to help , uh, adjust or, or guide the situation. I trust that he is gonna be able to handle it because he's confident in enough now because of the work that we put in together. And so, man, it, I could just ramble on and on about the, the lessons learned throughout all of that. Maybe there should be a book down the , down the road about Declan , Declan, et all , you know, all the horses and students and jobs and things that I've put together along the way.
Speaker 3:Yeah , I was gonna say, I literally just witnessed the pieces that were thrown up on Facebook, and I was like, yep . And I encourage people to go look, because it was very well done in how there was a history of the horse, and then, you know, some updates of what's what. And then truly seeing the quote unquote finales that you guys put these horses and yourselves through , um, doing some, what I would say fairly advanced stuff in a short amount of time. It was like, oh my goodness, this , and, and to know that it was all at liberty was kind of like, okay, there's, there's a lot going on here that is the unseen, like that's where the book is, is it's talking about the unseen. Yeah . Which is the intuition side of things, which we haven't really gotten into <laugh> on this podcast yet.
Speaker 4:So we , we touched it a little bit obvious in the last episode, but , um, yeah, I , while we're on the subject of that whole internship and Declan , I wanna give all the credit in the world to , uh, Patrick and Avery for, for being there to help guide me through that process. Um, I certainly was, I guess when you go and learn new things, to learn new things and to get new experiences that maybe you aren't familiar with, you need to go in and open up and be willing to look like a fool. That's step number one. You have to go in knowing that you're not gonna be perfect right away. And it's gonna take time, and you're gonna need to have patience and, and, and be willing to learn and evolve your mindset. Everyone around was so supportive and willing to , uh, learn. Patrick was so good about, oh, understanding my learning process where rather than walking me through it step by step , he would show me and he would give me the, the guidelines and the tips, and he would let me go off and play with it and feel it out myself. That was , that was the best thing for me. And when I got to a roadblock or I plateaued on some idea, I could ask him, I could always ask him. And Abraham , they were so open and so receptive and so willing to share. And I didn't think that that environment existed like that in the horse world. So I think that, that in that open door there was really what helped me from that standpoint. And that's the kind of environment that I want to continue to provide for my future colleagues and clients and students and horses where it's an open book, a a playground where they can feel they're not gonna feel judged whenever they come in and maybe have questions to ask. I always want people to ask questions, and I'll answer the best that I that I can. So , mm .
Speaker 3:That sounds like they liberty hoed you,
Speaker 4:<laugh> they , uh, Patrick knows good and well that he, liberty hoed me, <laugh> , um, <laugh> , he , uh, he , he knew that , uh, since we had both had started late in life , uh, horse wise and me much later professional, I think Patrick's a couple years younger than me, and , uh, he had been already been doing it for about 10 years. I hadn't been doing it professionally ever. When I met Patrick, I had been on some pretty intense trail rides out in New Mexico and had been around a lot of horses, but certainly didn't have, like, my horsemanship was not evolved at all. I could climb on and go left, right, stop . But I didn't know how to do all of that with the horse coming along with me. And so I'm so glad that, that I had that experience to, to kind of kickstart a , a new pathway or a new chapter in my horsemanship.
Speaker 3:So Liberty's basically intuition.
Speaker 4:Yeah. Uh , so I was thinking about this <laugh> . I put it into some words last episode, but you have thinking and feelings, and I believe that intuition is a combination of thinking and feelings. It's a number of different data points and and perspective. So you have your, let's say like your ego side and your spiritual side. You have your masculine and you have your feminine, you have your higher self, and you have your present self. And I think , well, becoming more present drives you to , toward your higher self. But I guess higher self and ego, you have your, I call the , the coyote and the bear, and we can dive into that sometime , but to be intuitive in a space you're going in and you're observing that space with all of your senses. You taste your smell, you're , you're hearing provision , uh, but you also have your fixed sense. And at this point, I'm starting to, that's popping up in my head as my horse sense . I had always heard the term horse sense , but I , in my understanding, and me, for me personally, in my space, I'm starting to get into this space with these horses where nothing physically in some cases is prompting me to think or feel a certain thing. But I'm sensing that this horse needs something. I can look at a horse, especially when I'm watching someone else work the horse, and I'm helping walk through it. I have this sense of my, my intuition is telling me, wait just a little bit longer. Don't ask for another step here. I think this horse is going to take another step. Let's, let's see if they take another step. Let's see if they relax here and we can adjust if we need to. But there's intuition there, which is a combination of my feeling in the moment, but also my experience, like what I'm thinking from previous situations where I've seen that happen more over and over again early on before you have that experience, you have your gut feeling like this might be a , you know, this might happen, but the more times it happens over and over again, it's still your gut, but you have a lot of like measurable feedback to support your gut feeling. So like I said before, intuition is , uh, the combination of thinking and feeling or that willing preparation and , uh, willingness to approach a risk preparation and we'll say curiosity. So your preparation is your experiences and your proactivity in putting together that mindset, that skillset , that knowledge, that bullet point list, that checklist, and then your curiosity, your gut, your willingness, your adventurousness to dive into that unknown. You have, there are some times, and I think that there are many people out there who have done very courageous things with 10% preparation and 90% get up like our pioneers. Now at this day and age, we should be able to prepare so well for the, the situations we're going to approach in our lives based on the amount of knowledge and technology and information and history that's out there. But unfortunately, I think that there , and myself included , uh, we have , uh, all of this, these opportunities around us to learn. We don't seize them. And well , that could raise a larger question of where did the chain fall apart that we aren't interested in utilizing that technology to learn lots of great things and to enhance our knowledge. So we can significantly enhance our intuition by learning these things, but we have to go out and field them as well. Mm . So I could read about horses all day and have, you know, 80% knowledge, but until I get that, the rest of that 10 , 20% of getting in there, feeling the horse , um, and going through it and having some of that feedback, I'm still pretty far off in terms of connecting with that, really, truly connecting with that horse.
Speaker 3:Yeah. And that's, that's a good point to end on in terms of our real purpose is to live our lives. <laugh> . Yes. Somebody said, I think it was Dane Hare of access consciousness. He said, what if the purpose of life was to have fun? Mm-hmm. <affirmative> . Yeah. Imagine mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And so whatever intuition was always taking us to the fun and what of all the distractions that have been put in place, like the social medias and the take us away from our purpose, which is to have fun because mm-hmm . <affirmative> , I can say nobody has fun on social media. Truly nobody . Mm-hmm . <affirmative> . It's a pacifier, it's a dopamine hit. It is false pleasure. And I'm coming at it from like, yeah , I'm a social media scroller. Yay. Good times . But it's, it's an addiction. Like, it's very strategic in what it's doing. It , it's literally stopping people from living their lives and having fun and yeah . Whatever the purpose of that is, is what we should mm-hmm . <affirmative> be intuiting and basically claiming our lives back in a, in a let's go live real life and let's go live intuitively and follow the fun. Cause intuition will take us to our fun , I would say. Right ? It's led you to horses. It's led me to horses. So what else can we say, Dustin <laugh> ?
Speaker 4:Well, I think it's leading things , leading us to things that are appropriate for us as individuals that fulfill and recharge, or I guess get us closer to our higher self , to peel back the things that are preventing us from achieving that higher self and really becoming really present with our own core , our own soul, our true essence, right? Mm-hmm . And so when y your friend mentioned driving us toward fun, that could be happiness and fulfillment and love and really tru like truly loving ourselves, truly understanding ourselves internally. And when we can do that, we can start to turn that outward and give it back to others, the higher self version of ourselves. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> , um, peeling away all those layers that have been placed on top of us throughout our lives so that we can operate in this society <laugh> , and we can survive and we can , um, overcome challenges. But just like with the horses, if we can peel back those layers that we've built up to have our guard up and we can get back to that vulnerable self, we can become our true higher self. That horse can then feel like they can come in and have fun and when they're working with us as opposed to feeling like work. It's just like the next thing, man, I think you're, you're onto something there.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm . Well, it wasn't me, it was through social media. I heard the quote, but <laugh>, that's the irony of it. But , uh mm-hmm . <affirmative> . Yeah. So we'll leave people with that, Dustin, but what if the purpose of life was to have fun and what if having fun me meant you had to follow your intuition? Yep .
Speaker 4:Cool . That intuition is just bringing it back to ourselves.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Perfect. All ,
Speaker 4:I'm gonna be reflecting a lot today.
Speaker 3:Well, thank you again for your time today, Dustin. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 4:We are certainly going to stay in touch and , uh, continue sharing ideas and and inspiring each other to, to have fun.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that works. Okay. Thanks again.
Speaker 4:Thank you so much.
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