Especially with AI, I think it's been really helpful for me to learn more quickly about industries. Like if I have a quick question versus wanting to look through many blog posts or articles about like, okay, teach me this about this specific industry. Cause then I have another client and they're in the tech space and they do identity verification and that space is very complicated, especially with AI and like.
Learning about deep fakes and stuff. It just goes on another level and it's fun.
Welcome back to Starved of Doubts. I'm here with my good friend, Stephanie Trinh. Stephanie, welcome to the podcast. Which happens to be my phone in a loud area.
Thank you for having me back.
So Stephanie, there's some people that are not familiar with your work. Shame on them. Let's catch them up.
What do you have to say?
So I own a social media marketing agency, Organic Social Media Marketing, and I work with medium sized companies and I help them basically run their social media channels, do engagement and do the scheduling and the posting.
Yes. And it's not your first rodeo. You've been doing this for a while. And it's, uh, something that has turned into something that you do full time.
Yeah. Started out as a side hustle, right? Is
that correct? Or? Yeah, I started, so I worked for advertising agencies for about five years and then I went off, became a freelancer. Then it just kept growing. And then I just started hiring people to help like contractors. And then yeah, now. I have help and it's
just a word of mouth, right?
I mean,
everything. I'll be wrong. Got a good reputation. All of my clients have come to referrals. Actually.
Well, that's awesome. Yeah. Okay, cool. So now you're, you're on the easy street. Is that what I'm hearing? On the what? Easy street. Yeah. Yes, exactly. Well, no, you're, you're consistently working and, and your business is growing actually.
Yes. And then on top of that, five years ago, I randomly decided to start a jewelry brand. Yes. Let's talk about that. Yeah. So. I think at that time I was freelancing and the clients were not yet like magically flowing in as I thought it would. And I was like, Oh, I still got to build relationships and do all this networking and stuff.
And so while I was working on that, I applied for a full time job at a watch company. And I felt like I was qualified, but I didn't have the quote unquote years of experience. And I built really good rapport with the guy who was hiring me and he was like, I really like you, you like have the confidence and all this stuff.
He's like, you just don't have the years of experience. And I was like, okay, I mean, I still think I have what it takes. I was like, but just because I don't have the years of experience, like, yeah, that's fine. But then I thought to myself when I didn't get the position. I don't even feel like I'm, like, meant to be a W2 employee.
I was like, I don't know why I'm, like, sitting here, like, trying to give up on my dreams. I think I just got desperate. And so then I told myself, like, oh, but I really wanted to work for that company because I thought promoting Watches or like a, that type of product, like jewelry watches was like really cool.
And then I was like, I'll just create my own brand. And I was like, and then I'll just show them how good I am so they can hire me was initially my thought. Right. And then, so yeah, I spent all this money on a credit card to like buy all the inventory of like, I figured it on my own. And I had friends that I would ask advice on like, How would I order bulk jewelry or like do all this stuff?
Like I want to design it, but I don't know how to create it. I don't want to know to be high quality. So then someone recommended I go on Etsy and I tried, but then the person on Etsy was like, Oh, this is my full sale pricing. And I was like, this is not wholesale pricing. This is like way too expensive for me.
Yeah. So then I actually went on Alibaba and like found a manufacturer, built a relationship with them. Excellent. Yeah. And I think my first year, then I spoke on a panel at San Diego startup week, I met some lady and she was really interested and she bought like a thousand dollars worth of jewelry and that was like my first big sale to give me the confidence to be like, wow, maybe this could work.
Yeah. And then COVID happened, and then my social media business just skyrocketed. So I put the jewelry business aside. Yeah, put it on pause. Yeah. Makes sense. And then I just had this hit one day to create like a lunar new year collection because of my culture. And yeah, then my friend posted it in a Facebook group called Subtle Asian Treats.
And it just completely blew up. And since then, like, I've just had nonstop orders.
Yay! Yeah. I remember the first time when you showed me your jewelry business, I was like, is this some MLM? Not judging you, but kind of. It's okay. It's okay. I was like, what is this, Stephanie? Is this a desperate, desperate plea for help?
Oh I actually, I attempted to support because there were some things in there I thought my daughter and my wife would like, and now I'm a repeat customer. You are. You totally me are. I am and I applaud what you're doing. I think it's a great value and yeah, you, you have really cool stuff.
So Yeah. I mean, I guess it people check it out.
Yeah. I guess it helps that I know the marketing side of things because I really care about the experience of how. You received the pieces, how it's like delivered to you, how it's designed, like just, I wanted everything to be a good experience. That was like my number one. Oh, I
would say you've exceeded that expectation.
And you sometimes include a little surprise or, you know, I open up the box or my daughter opens up the box and then there's this, you know, a little bonus thing or something. It's like, yeah, you didn't have to do that, but you did. So, so where can people check out the crown stuff?
Cause that's pretty cool.
So you can go to crowned by stephanie. com crowned by
stephanie. com. Yeah. And they should. Yeah. Okay. So we're here at Podcast Movement Evolutions, an event that you've attended and supported in the past, more and more supported, but now you're here attending. So let's hear that story. Okay. Cause
you're not a podcast.
I'm not, which is so funny. Yeah. So yesterday I got called out because someone was like, Oh, you have the podcaster pass, which I upgraded to get. And she was like, Oh, so what's your podcast? I don't have one. She's like, Oh, are you aspiring to be one? And I was like, No. And she's like, so why'd you upgrade to the podcaster sessions?
And I was like, I don't know. I was like, it just seemed like there was better tracks to be in if I got to podcasters. I was like, I'm supporting my friend. That's why. Which I appreciate. When she mentioned it, I was like, you know, logically, I didn't think that went through. I just was like, oh, I'm going to do the next level up.
Even though
you're not a podcaster, you've enjoyed coming to these events and helping these events. You've met a lot of friends and you've made good connections. I mean,
even if I'm not a podcaster, these tracks are still relatable just for marketing and social media stuff. I went to an AI track yesterday.
That stuff is relatable to just social media and marketing and just whatever other things I do. Are you playing with AI?
Yes. Talk to me about that. What are some things that you do? What are some things that you like?
So I've been using jasper. ai way before chat GPT came and thing. So it
used to be Jarvis.
It's been around for a while. Actually, it was, well, it used to be conversion. ai. Then it became Jarvis, right? Then I think I heard Marvel or Disney came at them and were like, do not use Jarvis. Oh, and then they changed it to Jasper. Jarvis
because of Iron Man. Yeah, that's right. I didn't
think about that.
Yeah. Or I think it was mentioned in our Facebook group. They're like, so they came at us and tried to sue us or do one of those, like, yeah. Cause then all of a sudden, Hey, it's
Jasper. No, it's Germans.
Like people, whatever. Right. So I used that for so long. And then ChatGPT came out and I was so loyal to Jasper that I didn't want to get into ChatGPT.
But then I started using that and I realized like, Oh, okay. Like I use both now. I don't use. So I think it's just, they both, I would say they both have different personalities in a sense. So I use it a lot for creative ideas and then helping me just rewrite sentences to make it sound better. Like if I need, and then I'll still tweak it.
And I don't know, I mean, I think it just helps with like more so admin tasks, like treating it more like an assistant to help me like figure stuff out. Or like, Okay, I have this one client who writes crazy long emails. He just likes to talk, so I can understand that when he also writes his emails. So when I'm really busy, I'll just drop his emails into like chat GPT and be like, please summarize this and give me the action takeaways that I need.
Isn't that brilliant?
Yes. They can do that. Yes. Yeah. And it really does save you a lot of time. Yes. I just released the podcast episode. I took the transcript, put it in chat GPT. He said, Hey, just give me a summary of this. It gave me a great summary and I use that as the show notes. Yes. Yes. Yes. So it was brilliant.
It took a 30 minute episode and just totally took that transcription. Versus in
the past. Turned it into notes. Yeah. In the past, what did we have to do? Oh, I'd have
to, I'd have to think through what we talked about. You know, I would go back and listen to it. And then you're like, oh questions. Yeah. But in this case, it was just a casual conversation like we're having.
So I didn't actually have questions. I was just having a chat. And so I had to go back and remember. You know, but in this case, I didn't take that audio transcription and uploaded the chat GPT. And We make a summary of this and made a perfect summary actually, but that's just one case. Are you using any kind of image
generation?
No, I've tried. I am not yet an expert at that. It's, I just feel like it's still too challenging for me. Yeah. I mean,
there's new tools that are coming out there making it less brutal, but yeah, you're right. It's still a whole lot less.
Also, I can tell what generated AI looks like and I, or generative AI I think because I can see the small differences, I'm like, it just, I'd rather just use stock photography and figure out how to like make that work with my client stuff.
No
shame in that. Yeah. Okay. Well, that makes me happy.
All right. So, uh, tell us what, I mean, your business allowed you to be in a position that. You know, you weren't in a few years ago, so now you own a home. Now you're, you know, just in a different place in life, but talk, speak to that for a little
bit. Um, yeah, I actually, well, cause you've known me for a very long time since I've started this journey.
And it is really crazy because there are days where I'll get frustrated at things like maybe something's not happening so great in the business side of things, or there's a fire to put out frustrations. And then I remember to think to myself, wait, how wonderful is this? That when I first met you, I was living in this small one bedroom apartment.
I mean, I loved it. It was like my favorite place ever. And now I'm living in a three bedroom home. I know with a backyard that I get to sit back there and like sit in the suns and, you know, tan or whatever. And I'm like, I can't believe I've upgraded to this level. Yeah, San Diego,
Southern California. Oh yeah, that too.
We're not talking Oklahoma. Yeah. You bought a house in the Southern California market. Yeah. Good for you.
Yeah, but like, I mean, there are definitely some days where I'm like, Oh, my place is so small because it is a smaller home. It's like a 1400 square foot house, but I'm like, Yeah. But then I'm like, okay, but there's still three bedroom.
Yeah, but I'm like this two bath, I'm guessing three bathrooms. Three bath. Oh, three. So yeah, but this is the biggest house I've ever lived in actually in, in my life. Like you're in a one bedroom apartment. Yes. And then my parents' house, I think was like only 1100 square feet. So it was like lived. Yeah. I wanna come stay with you.
Actually, they come over very often. They come over very often because then. So you're close to them. I'm very close to them. So that was unintentional because the housing market was just really challenging. I bought during COVID and yeah, there was just very little choice. And this just happened to be all my requirements.
And it also just happened to be 10 minutes away from my parents house. Well,
that's perfect. No? I, I
think that's fantastic. Well, yes. I think I'll appreciate it one day. I think right now I'm just very like, Maybe it's too close? Is that what you're saying? A little too close. I wish, maybe it was 15 minutes away.
Yeah.
Oh, 15 minutes. Because then they'll, they'll rethink if they want to go or not.
Yeah, because right now it's like, oh, I'll just drop by really quick. No problem. And that's like every day. Like, why? Text first. Yeah. Yeah, but the problem is, I did tell him that, And they will text, but they won't wait for my confirmation.
They'll just be like, but I text you. And I'm like, but I didn't confirm if you could or should come over. They're like, oh, that needs to happen. I'm like, oh my goodness. So
culturally sometimes parents can be very strict and have certain ideals and. You may or may not have followed all of that. So what's that been like for you to kind of weather the storm over these years of pursuing entrepreneurship and trying to be responsible, trying to be considerate of your parents, but also realizing, Hey, some of these paths that they've projected for me may not be the way it goes.
And what's that been like
for you? Oh my God. It's been, it was extremely challenging, but it has been so much better now. But I think ultimately, because then, yeah, culturally it's expected for the kids to take care of their parents. Yup. So I
was,
so in my mind, I was just always thinking like, okay, I'm going to do whatever it takes because I already in my, myself, I believe I'm going to make it, I'm going to be successful, whatever.
And then when I hit that, I will be able to take care of my parents and financially or however they need and they won't be upset anymore then, but for now I do have to go through this struggle of like figuring out entrepreneurship and just like navigating how that all works and just. Yeah, bootstrapping everything and dealing with the tough times.
I mean, it was funny because my parents, I think they don't understand social media. So they were just always like, they didn't believe me when I started doing well. Cause they were like, I don't understand how that works or what that even is. I feel like you're lying. I was like, okay, whatever. But it was interesting.
Cause once the jewelry did really well, they were extremely supportive. Yeah. But I think it's because of the tangible, they could see, they understood how it worked and like, you sell this and you make money versus social media, they're like, what do you mean? Yeah. That's all. Yeah. I mean, they, I don't know if I can say they were super supportive when I first started the jewelry business.
I think they were like, what are you doing? Well,
on some level, they've always kind of been a little bit like, well, you should be doing this. Why don't you just go work full time? Not exactly what I feel led to do. Yeah. And I'm sure that was challenging to have those conversations. You know, it may not have always been very gracious and understanding.
And no,
because of my sister, my sister followed their footsteps. Like she became an electrical engineer and she worked for like, you know, decent sized companies and she has this corporate full time job and she's exactly what they wanted in a child. Like job wise, I guess I could say. Yeah. I mean, my sister.
And I've met your sister. Yes. So the nice thing too, is like, she has me. And yeah, so she followed that. And she does really like what she does from a standpoint of like, she loves math, but at least she has me to be like, there's more out there when I'm ready to pursue more, because she does kind of want to start her own business now.
And I'm like, when you're ready, I was like, yeah, I was like, but thank goodness you did this because at least parents were off. My butt and, you know, we're just kind of like, Oh, Sylvia is so perfect. And I'm like, okay, good. I need you to distract them while I do
my own thing.
I'll be back. But when I'm ready, I'll be back.
I'm familiar with some of your clients. I don't know if you want to talk about that on here, but like one client you work with is a silver to set a podcast space. And then I have a lot of appreciation for longterm and. You know, what's that been like working in different types of niches and different types of industries and you're still kind of doing social media stuff.
Okay. I love it because I get to learn about so many different things. So yeah. So with the podcasting, I learned so much about podcasting. If I wanted to start a podcast, I know exactly what to do because of that client. I just feel like I've tried to start a podcast and I can't just, I'm not consistent enough to keep up with it.
So I don't know. It's okay then. Yeah.
But at least you know that. Yes. Some people just blindly, Hey, I'm going to start this podcast. And a few episodes in, they're like, eh, this is too much work. Yeah. But I
think there's different medias that people are more driven towards doing. And I feel like I'm such a writer that I'm like, maybe podcasting isn't my thing.
I just love writing blog posts. Maybe I can continue doing that.
Yeah. There's still people that are reading blog posts. Yeah. I read blog posts. I do too. Yeah. I read newsletters.
Yeah, exactly. So I love that. I mean, especially with AI, I think it's been really helpful for me to learn more quickly about industries.
Like if I have a quick question versus wanting to look through many blog posts or articles about like, okay, teach me this about this specific industry. Cause then I have another client and they're in the tech space and they do identity verification and that space is very complicated. I mean, yes. So especially with AI and like learning about deep fakes and stuff.
So, yeah, it just goes on another. level and it's fun.
Because AI is expanding, there's actually more opportunities now. Like you could take your written blog and you can have like 11 labs from just a reading of your text and create a podcast that way if you chose to. Okay, I actually
didn't know that. You could
do that. So you could use it. Well, it doesn't have to be 11 labs.
There's other options. But. You can upload the text and then a voice that sounds just like our conversation that we're having now is going to basically read that blog and then that can be uploaded as a podcast. So, you could potentially do a podcast that would not be a ton of work for you and just repurposing what you're doing anyway, right?
So, you know, there's, there's all these wonderful opportunities. AI is also going to create video based on text. So, you could upload your blog post and then have a video, you know, that you maybe use on YouTube or Rumble or wherever you post. Yeah. So, you know, the opportunities that are here and that are going to continue to arrive or just going to put you in a better position to expand on what you're already doing.
So, yeah, it's exciting.
Good times. It is good times. It can be overwhelming, but I think that there's just so many opportunity because there's just so much technology to help you get to where you want to get. You just got to get resourceful and figure it out.
I learned a little trick. Do you mind if I share it with you?
I'm not trying to mansplain. So, you know, there's chat GPT, but there's also Google as what's called Gemini. It used to be called Bard. Gemini is their version. So it's gemini. google. com. And if you go to gemini. google. com and you type in, please give me a detailed summary of this YouTube video and you paste the YouTube video link.
It will give you a detailed summary of that YouTube video. So let's say you're looking up a YouTube video about something about business or something about social media, something you're trying to learn a new skill, perhaps that's helping you with your work. Instead of you spending 10, 20 minutes watching that video, you could just.
Go to Gemini. google. com, say please give me a detailed summary of this video, paste the link and it gives you, it watches YouTube for you in a couple of seconds and that gives you the output of a, of a summary, a good summary. Okay. This
is like a life hack. It
really is a life hack. So now I've, instead of watching all these videos that might be 20, 30 minutes long about online business or whatever I'm interested in.
You're like, do I really have time? Is this clickbait? No, I want to see if, is this going to be the worst, worth me checking out. So I'll do the detailed summary on Gemini and then I'll read it and I'll say, okay, do I still want to watch it or did I get enough out of that to know what I need? And in most cases I do, but if I want to dive deeper, I can always watch video.
So I've used it over and over again. And so I've quickly picked up on some things I didn't know that have been very helpful
to me. Okay. That actually just made me wonder, could you do that? I'm thinking from like a client perspective, if they gave me a video and they didn't give me a summary, could I just upload the video, say, give me a summary with SEO keywords and figure it out?
Oh my gosh.
Absolutely. If you could just get a transcript of the video through a number of AI tools, you can take that transcript, give it to chat, you know, give it a summary. So, yeah, the key is either uploading it to YouTube so that Jim and I can watch it on YouTube or getting a tool that will transcribe it like the script or there's plenty of tools out there.
Yeah. And then take that transcript and feed it in chat, or, you know, even Jasper and it'll get you somewhere. You should do that. Yeah. That's why be smarter
not harder. Yes. Yeah. So I try to do a lot of time. Yeah. I try to do admin tasks like that on AI more often than not.
Just as you should because Yes, because you're savvy with that.
Well, it's just gonna make you more productive.
Yes. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. You
already are. Yes. Figure out's gonna create all kinds of ideas and opportunities for the, uh, jewelry stuff. Yeah. I don't think we scratched the surface. You and I could talk offline about possibilities for that.
Yeah. I mean, there's only so much energy I can give to each business.
That's why you got
to consolidate your skills
and figure all that out. So managing the time and then eventually hiring someone to help with that. But I still have to figure out this, the whole systems and the processes. But yeah, I do feel like with crowned, I'm barely touching the surface and
you're already seeing moderate success, even though you got it,
which shows me, okay, if you, yeah, if you really did, I don't even do email marketing.
I have an email list. So if I was to do more email marketing, actually consistently post social media posts because I take time to make content and I'm focused on my social media clients, it's like, or packing orders. It's like, okay. Well, that could
be where a block of time is dedicated each week where I'm going to say, I'm going to use AI and I'm going to come up with this number of posts and this number of things that I need to do regarding cloud.
And then you just take that block of time for that and then you have your output for the next week or whatever. So it's, it's pretty exciting. Like I said, we can talk about that offline. I know. Okay. Cool. But I believe in you. So I want to see you continue to succeed. You're already succeeding. And so it's exciting to think, okay, just even with some of these tools, the opportunities are going to explode even further.
So if really don't forget the little people.
Stop. Okay. But I do think I remember, I don't know if it was the last podcast that you had mentioned this, or maybe it was just a conversation we had that you had mentioned to me specifically that you believed in me. Yeah, when, when I think I was still like kind of struggling a little bit, like trying to find my way.
And I, I've never told you this, but I have thought about that more often than not that I'm like, that's crazy because Jared believes in me and some part of me doesn't even believe in me. I was like, so if you're not going to do this for you, at least do it for Jared because he supported you so much. Yeah.
I was like, you, he supported you so much. Don't let people who believe in you down. And I think that's helping it to where I am. So thank you. I'm proud of
you. No. And you should, uh, yeah. Consider all that because there's so much head trash. It's so much limit ourselves. And yeah, but I meet a lot of people as you know, Stephanie and I can tell within that process.
If someone's got it, you have it. You have to at least certain days you have to navigate certain names, but you have the ability to excel at what you're doing. We're already seeing. Glimpses of that, which had been very exciting, but I think even more is on the horizon should you continue down this path and, you know, be all in which you are.
Yeah. I'm happy for you. Thank you. I know it didn't come easy, but you had to work for it. Yeah,
I know. You've been, you've seen, you've
heard. You're not that conversation where you'd be like, ah, let me tell you about what happened here. Then we made a trash joke and laughed about it. You're like, that was.
Well, but
you've always had my side and you've always supported me. So I think that's what matters most is just feeling that.
No, sometimes I'll just text you like a random picture and it's like, you're like, oh, you get it. I'm like, okay, that was hilarious. I want to send her this and she'll know exactly what I'm talking about.
So yeah, I'm glad we have that rapport where we can bounce that off each other. That's
been fun for me. Yeah. We've come such a long way. Remember, I think on our last podcast, we talked about the waiter and
uh, we're not going to bring that up again. No, let's go back. But I'm
like, Yeah. Like, look at how far we've come!
Oh my gosh!
You, you were in a different headspace then. I totally was! Not to say everything's perfect now, but you, uh, yeah. Bless your heart, as they say in Fort Worth, Texas. We don't say that
very much in California, but Tell us why you were
never moved to Fort Worth, Texas. I'm just curious. Oh my
goodness.
Besides the fact that it takes so long to get anywhere, it, well, okay, okay. My little cousin actually, he, say a family in Fort Worth, yeah, I have family in Fort Worth. I guess that information is necessary to understand the context. So I have a little cousin who lives out there and he was born and raised out there.
And he came to San Diego to visit the rest of the family out here, because it's only one uncle in his family that lives out there. And we were like, do you think you'll ever move to San Diego? Because his sisters were like, Oh, I would love to move to San Diego one day. And we're like, you should like all the families here.
We would love to have you here. And he was like, no, it's so crowded at San Diego. He's like, why are the houses so close together? I started laughing. I've never thought of that, but then this is normal. Yeah, I grew up that way. And then I had just come back and so we had that conversation. We were in Texas.
And then so, you know, all the houses are like far apart. There's huge yards everywhere, like massive. They're so spaced apart. I come back home and I'm looking at our homes and I'm like, you're right. Why are we on top of each other? Like this is
San Diego. Yeah, so nicest cities in the
country. But it's funny that to him, he's like, no, you guys are too close together.
But for me, I'm like, it's so convenient. It just takes us 10 minutes to go somewhere. For you, I have to wait for this train because you live in an area where this train passes by like every 20 minutes or whatever. Like, you have to leave anywhere like at least 30 minutes early. Who has time for that? But you live in Fort Worth?
I know, apparently.
I live in Fort Worth, actually, and I went to school out there. I really appreciated Fort Worth, but not living there and living in another place. Now, I, I see. Parts of Fort Worth that I miss, and then there's parts of where I live now, but man, thank God up here, you know, yeah, yeah, I mean, some
places aren't for everybody.
Yeah, I'm just not familiar with that slower paced lifestyle. I guess that's what I should say. That's a
win, and sometimes, you know, people aren't aren't into it. Yeah, yeah,
I mean, but people say that about San Diego. The
housing market is certainly more affordable in Fort Worth than it would be in San Diego, it's figured out, I
guess.
Yeah, no, when I told my uncle about the house, he was like, You could have just moved to Texas and got three houses for that price. And I was like, uncle, you're supposed to be happy for me. I'm not trying to pack my bags right now. Thanks for
supporting me and my dreams. Yeah.
I know we're going on this guilt trip, but come on, I was like, yeah, yeah, I wasn't expecting that.
I love it. All right, well, we'll wrap this up. I appreciate you sitting down with me and it's always good to spend time with you. I'm glad you're here in LA and we didn't hang out. Yes. And what would you, uh, say is on the horizon, anything coming up?
No, besides the rise of crowns. No,
more, more work, more business, which I love.
Okay. And then people that want to say, Hey, I need to check out, uh, Stephanie. I need to be friends with Stephanie. If they want to do that, should they do that? Where would they
add me on Instagram? Sierra, I-S-T-E-P-H-T-R-I-N-H.
Yes. And I am, uh, following Steph, so you should too. Any other channel that you wanna let people know about, skip it at that.
I
mean, you can find me on LinkedIn. Stephanie Trends. You're LinkedIn. Yeah, dude. You
really, are you really active on LinkedIn? I'm
a spectator. . I'll like your stuff. Yeah. I won't, I don't really post that often. I, I know I should more often than not, but Which is blog. I know you don't put your blog on LinkedIn.
Well, okay. I'm trying to write like a newsletter for my social media stuff and then I'm trying to create LinkedIn articles and then it fell off when I got really, really busy with clients and you can only do so much. Yeah, I'm doing my very best here. .
All good. Well, I'm proud of you and people should connect you and check out Crown by Stuff.
Proud by Stephanie.
Probably by Stephanie Yes. Dot com. Yes. Which we'll link to. And uh, yeah, thanks a lot. And any final
thoughts? No, thank you for having me on again. That's your final thought. Yeah. I know why I don't have my own podcast.
That would be the end of this episode. Dramatic exit of Stephanie Drenn. So fun. All right. Thanks, Steph.