Dianne Kosto is a mother and CEO of Symmetry Neuro-Pathway Training. Dianne had a son who was kicked out of military school and almost kicked out of a treatment program for teen boys. She fears what could've happened if she hadn't found Neurofeedback. Neurofeedback is a non-invasive alternative to medication. It is painless, drugless, free of harmful side effects, and produces noticeable improvements that can enhance the effect of other traditional therapies.
If you are interested in looking more into Neurofeedback, then reach out to Dianne at Symmetryneuropt.com
Takeaway: look into various options for your kid's health because there is never a silver bullet.
Dianne Kosto is a mother and CEO of Symmetry Neuro-Pathway Training. Dianne had a son who was kicked out of military school and almost kicked out of a treatment program for teen boys. She fears what could've happened if she hadn't found Neurofeedback. Neurofeedback is a non-invasive alternative to medication. It is painless, drugless, free of harmful side effects, and produces noticeable improvements that can enhance the effect of other traditional therapies.
If you are interested in looking more into Neurofeedback, then reach out to Dianne at Symmetryneuropt.com
Takeaway: look into various options for your kid's health because there is never a silver bullet.
Welcome to the not by chance Podcast. I'm Talmage Thayne, the Podcast Producer. I'm jumping on real quick just to give you a little insight on the topic that they're discussing. Diane costo is the CEO and founder of symmetry neuro pathway training. They talked about her journey as a mother having a son that struggled as well as her discovery of this treatment. Neurofeedback, also known as E. G. Biofeedback is a non invasive alternative to medication. It is painless, drugless, and free of any harmful side effects and can produce noticeable improvements on the effect of other traditional therapies. It's super cool. So essentially what they do is you have a cap on your head that measures the brainwaves, and they can see which brainwaves are out of order. Oftentimes people that are struggling with depression, OCD, ADHD, anxiety, their brainwaves are out of order. So basically, this whole treatment is to help train your brain into organizing the waves in the correct and healthy patterns. So with that, let's dive into her story and see how it affected her personally.
Dr. Tim Thayne:There are as many ways to parent as there are parents in this world. But there is one way to parent that wins every time. And that's doing it intentionally. This show is about helping things go right before they can go wrong. Each episode is chosen to help parents like you who may be overwhelmed or uninspired, find the ideas and motivation to give their best efforts to the people and place that matters the most. I'm Dr. Tim, Thayne, author of the book and host of the podcast, not by chance, I believe that a family's success and happiness is not by chance. So welcome to the podcast built especially for intentional families. Let's jump in. Hi, everyone, it's great to be back with you again, today. I'm excited for this podcast, you know, every every one of us parents out there looking for different ways to help our kids. And we're in a complex world and, and sometimes it can be difficult for them as they grow up and, and the interventions that we find or the things that we find that can be helpful. I think they range in from the biological, the psychological, the social, the spiritual. And I remember being at BYU and for the first time kind of hearing about this multi systemic approach to helping people. And I really latched on to that, because to me, I felt like if you could find a something that's biologically driven, that you can help out there, that's going to ripple all the way through the other parts of the system. Same with spiritual same was social or emotional. And so today, I'm really excited to have a guest here, Diane Costa, who is a mother, she's also someone who has gone above and beyond to try and find ways to help other children as well. And organizations do that even better. And so I'm excited for her to be on the show. And basically, I think it's going to focus a bit on your story, Diane, personally, as well as what it is you're doing out there to, to affect change and, and help parents who are trying to find answers to some of the struggles their their child has. So would you mind just introducing yourself to the audience and tell us a bit about you about your family and kind of what got you started down this path? Absolutely.
Dianne:I'm happy to be here. Thank you for having me. And yeah, I'm Diane Costco, and I'm founder and CEO of symmetry neuro pathway training. And I say I'm a mom on a mission. And I still am. I got into the field of Neurofeedback after a very long journey, trying to find options to help my youngest son. And the story goes, you know, from when he was about five years old until 12 going on 13 He was so impulsive off the charts that every different school and programming environment that I put him in, basically kicked them out. You know, and this was like 13 years ago, 14 years ago. So we didn't have all of that as much focus on being trauma sensitive or anything like that. And so, you know, I was trying to be tough, I was a single mom and I was you know, being not giving in to him because a lot of times you get judged like you're all your you got two boys, you're single mom, you're going to be too easy on them, that kind of thing. And so I really lay down the law and kept the rules firm and everything that he had no impulse control. It didn't matter what I taught him or what environment we put him in. He literally would just get up and leave or punch a hole in the wall or who knows what you just never knew. So I get these phone calls, we really love them, but he's not following the program, you need to come and get them. And I did private school, home school, boarding school, home school, Military Academy. Wow. And when he went to the Military Academy at this point, he's too big for me to even help keep him safe in our home environment. There are holes in the walls. He's fighting with his older brother. They were like Cain and Abel, opposites. So there's the button pusher and the no impulse control. And it was a nightmare. And I'm trying to be tough about it. Right? Oh, yeah. So he it's very unsafe. And by the, you know, he's refusing school and addicted, the games, and all of the typical things that you disappoint. How
Dr. Tim Thayne:old is he?
Dianne:He is 12 at this point is still
Dr. Tim Thayne:12. Okay. I've heard this story before. Not exactly. But a little bit, you know, along the same lines, and I have a feeling when you'd get that phone call was the caller ID and it's the school. What was the emotional experience you'd have when that
Dianne:right now I think I still have that physical, it's still in their body keeps the score because my stomach just flipped. And that's what happens. You end up with PTSD yourself, you have these responses? Oh, my gosh, what am I going to do now? What's the next thing? And I was constantly diligently searching for an answer in a place that he would be successful? And I know, what do I do next? is scary sometimes
Dr. Tim Thayne:takes a mother in and I don't know if some of us dads would have the perseverance and the patience in the long suffering to keep looking keep looking, trying to find answers. Because the list of things you've done, you did up to this point is very long. And it sounds like diverse all kinds of different things that you've tried. So as you're describing this, I can I can imagine a lot of those listening to the podcast here. They probably can completely relate with you going down the list of things that they've tried the books, they've read the strategy they've tried inside the home, the things they've done outside the home, the people they've contacted, you know, the money they've spent.
Dianne:That's the big thing. Yeah. don't realize how expensive it gets. It's not like I had money to burn through as a single mom, I went into a lot of depth looking for answers for him. Wow.
Dr. Tim Thayne:How about the pharmacy route to the pharmaceutical route? Did you did you explore that? What was that? Like?
Dianne:We actually did when he was eight, like after kind of getting kicked out of the first two programs, maybe we really thought it was potentially that he had Tourette's. He was so volatile. And I took him to pediatric neurologist. And they went ahead and put them on a a patch of something. And it just took away his personality. And it was heartbreaking. Yeah. And I was like, Okay, I think I'll take the holes in my wall. Because this is worse. That it is really hard to know what to do when when you wonder if there's safety safeties, and issues that sometimes you have to go that route. And I, I know there are parents that do the medication route. But when I saw that, I knew that that was not going to be the answer for us. And I had to find another way.
Dr. Tim Thayne:Now, there's definitely those cases where that that seems to be the answer for the parent, where things calm down, and they've got a different kid. But those stories to me are far fewer and farther between where that really is the answer. Right. So you continued from there?
Dianne:I did. I continued. So we go to the the military academy summer camp, and I'm like, this is going to be right up your alley. He's physical, he likes to be outdoors, you know, he can shoot things he's going to be is going to have a blast. And I told him, You need to make this work for you. But you're not welcome home. Because it was so extreme in the home. And he you know, he's so defiant. And I laid that line down and off he goes and I'm like, Okay, this is gonna be great for him. He's gonna have a blast. And I hear some good things early on. And then he gets in trouble. And they call me and they said, You've got to come and get them. And I said, No. And this is a military academy in South Carolina. They're like, well, he's under eight. What do you like? I told him, he wasn't welcome back home if he didn't make this work for him. And so I had to do this whole. Now what? Because if I go there and pick them up and bring them home, I'm going against my worm but no, where do you put a 12 year old that's defiant and not following any programming getting kicked out? So that's when I learned about the you know, what I didn't want to get to I didn't want him to be that quote, unquote, troubled teen going off to one of those schools, you know, therapeutic programs, but, but here we were, and I had him transported. One of the hardest things I did in my life. Oh yes, let's have him transported from South Carolina. Military Academy to to can add Utah to a program for troubled teens. And fortunately, the owner was willing to take him even though he's a little bit under age for their normal 13 and above. Because I was out options he knew, you know,
Dr. Tim Thayne:huh. So you get him in a situation, I assume may be a wilderness program. Is that what it was? It wasn't
Dianne:wilderness. He was 12. At that point, I really didn't find something that would take him at that age other than that program.
Dr. Tim Thayne:Gotcha. What did you see happen as you got him in that new location knew
Dianne:there was some silence and you know, they were working with him for a while. And then guess what? I got the call from the CEO. He said, love them. He's a genius, but he's not following the program. What are we going to do? And we knew that he wouldn't succeed in a wilderness program that we were aware of that he was aware of, because he was so extremely impulsive, he would haul off and leave or accidentally do something dramatic. So safety is really a dead end and safety. Yeah. Because you just had no idea what he was going to do. And he didn't care who's fearless. Yeah. And they'd come across as 110% boy with a bad attitude. But underneath he was wounded. He was hurting. And, you know, what do you do, but he came across and rubbed people the wrong way, because he was kind of that tough guy. Yeah. So we really were at a loss. And that was when I was introduced to the founder of a Neurofeedback company in Hilton Head Island, South Carolina, who was a chiropractor who was about a year into business. And he was trying to make it easier for people to incorporate this technology driven learning for the brain called neurofeedback. And he said, that's the kind of kid we can help. And I was like, Bring it on.
Dr. Tim Thayne:Not their glimmer of hope.
Dianne:Oh my gosh, if you believe in God, divine intervention, whatever it was, that was it. Because I went through that training for three days. And I drove from South Carolina to Utah, and set up Neurofeedback in that in that program. And
Dr. Tim Thayne:so you personally, were trained and to do it? And did you have to buy some equipment?
Dianne:He lent me the $22,000 equipment? Oh, yes. So he entrusted the system into my care. And I do believe you know, in part, he was just getting in business and everything. And he just bought into the mission that he could help people as well. And so I was eternally grateful for that. But yeah, I drove it across the country that the program was. So I'm so grateful that they had the space and the willingness to allow me to come in there knowing that my son was at options. And so we set this thing up, and I start running these sessions. And it gradually saw the changes in him just kind of calming down. And he started, like, the dark circles under his eyes started to lighten up, which we didn't really realize he might not have been resting well. Then he started to participate in some of the elements of the program. And gradually, I was like running sessions there on staff and students from 9am till 9pm, most of the days of the week and half day on the weekend. That's incredible. retable.
Dr. Tim Thayne:Really, though, that makes it I make commenting on how incredible it is your commitment to the process. And you know, you go get trained, you drive it across country, set it up, and you begin to do this this work with them. And how long did it take for you to start to see some of those first signs of of improvement.
Dianne:It was within a couple of weeks, you know, and I would get him in there for sessions at least three times a week more if I could. And that's when I just started to notice those little subtle changes in him. And of course, he's sitting there, he doesn't believe it. Nobody knows what it is. And I'm like, okay, whatever. But we're at options where it makes sense to me, from what I learned that you can teach the brain to better regulate things and technology when so I just kept them kept them going. And yeah, they just see the subtle changes with the hand looking more rested and starting to interact and starting to lighten up a little bit less reactivity, and then to start participating in some of the elements of the program because he wouldn't have just refused it sit in his room and read, just not go.
Dr. Tim Thayne:Let's let's talk a little bit about you know, at the beginning of this interview, I talked about multisystemic approach to things that it doesn't matter sometimes where you start, but if if it's a brain issue, if there's dysregulation going on in the brain, with your your knowledge at this point. That seems like the place to begin, am I right?
Dianne:Right. Well, that's what I know. Now, in hindsight, it didn't matter what environment we put him in. He had a physical reason in his brainwave patterns that he'd did not have that pause before reacting to his environment and that it was physical and the brainwave activity. So when we started to better regulate the brain and change those physical neural pathways in the brain, then he was able to incorporate all of the other, you know, social and leadership and all of the skills that he learned and all of those programs, but we had to solve that physical component for him to get there,
Dr. Tim Thayne:I assume it was, you know, just focusing in on the social, you know, ramifications of giving, getting his brain in a place where it's functioning better. What did you see start to happen inside the program.
Dianne:So inside the program, that was pretty cool, because within a couple of weeks of being there, I did share with the parents at parent conference, what I was doing, and we got a lot of buy in, because the parents felt the same way. And era, like, they were in positions, like I was spending a lot of money that they didn't really have didn't like the medications, their kiddos were on, they were out of options they wanted, you know, they were like, well, let's give it a shot. It can't hurt. It's non invasive. Yeah, there's no harmful side effects. So bad downside. Yeah, yeah. And so, and, you know, I was pulling kids out of different elements of the program that different times, because like, it didn't matter, if my son went to math class, he wasn't doing that. Like, I'm doing what, we got to do this. And once we started, you know, then he would start to participate and was able to continue through the program and participate in the elements to, to move through. So it was interesting for everybody involved. You know,
Dr. Tim Thayne:that's really interesting that your first cases were actually your own son. And the students and staff of this program. It's become a more popular thing inside programs, right? You're seeing that a lot more these days.
Dianne:Yeah. And that's been my mission. You know, I certainly when I first started with the company, I was like, Okay, we need this in the therapeutic programs, it's still not as prevalent as I was, it should be back. Because there's so many things that the the programs are trying to provide for the students, and they kind of get caught up, and they're putting out fires and everything. So moving forward with it. It to me is a lot slower. I think it should just be a household word and a common thing that we're all doing. We're using technology for everything else that maybe sometimes it's harmful, why wouldn't we be using it to better regulate our brains? Right?
Dr. Tim Thayne:You know, I've done some innovative things in my career. And what I've noticed is that, that the, the pioneers in anything, there's a reason why they say they're the ones with the arrows in their back, because they're going in there doing something brand new. A lot of times we just think, you know, when we find something that we know works, it's it's hard for us to understand why it isn't adopted quickly. And easily. Because it just seems like such a, you know, to use, I guess upon in this case, a no brainer. Right? Exactly. That that would happen. That happened to me, to me with with Homeward Bound when I started Homeward Bound, it was such a no brainer. I just thought, even some some of the therapists who got it right away, they would say, Tim, how are you going to handle all the families that are going to need your services? And I said, I don't know. But I guess we'll have to figure that out. And then we sat there and waited for the phone to ring. Right. And, and it and it didn't, it didn't catch on as quickly as I thought it should. And it's you know, it's interesting how things have to go through a kind of an educational curve. And then it starts to be more contagious. And people talk about it, and it gets out there and starts to slowly, you know, make its way into a system. And I I do understand programs are out there, they've got their, their schedules are full, you know, they've got all these plans and all these the structure of what they're trying to do. And it's usually a very packed agenda for a student in a treatment program. And so you're trying to bring something in that is really actually quite fundamental for everything else to work well. But that means probably pushing something out that's already in place. Right?
Dianne:Right. And when they haven't seen that, yet, they haven't seen the fact that if we do this, and the brains are better regulated, all of the other approaches and modalities and therapies that are you're using become more effective. That's right. Yeah. My son is now one of the most disciplined people I know. And he was one of those people that would be locked up or accidentally have killed himself by now. Yeah. And you know, but people don't realize that in the midst of what they're doing.
Dr. Tim Thayne:Can we can we go back to Sunday, then I'd love to kind of hear some more of the rest of the story. I mean, you know, we've heard so far the beginnings of the changes that were made. Tell us a little bit more about him and and what's happened.
Dianne:Yeah, it feels like that's really what happened once we were able to, he had 40 sessions of Neurofeedback at that program was able to continue through it. And that gave him a pause before reacting that he never had since birth. So he was not the perfect person, though. He was still a teenager. Sure, and we were all traumatized by this point. And we all had kind of like PTSD. I didn't even realize how bad until this last couple years, you know it because it wreaked havoc on our family and our household dynamic. So I still had those moments with him, that he did things that I didn't agree with once he came home from the program, and I kicked them out again, you know, it'd be on his own to that extreme. But I knew those decisions were his now. They weren't just a reaction to his environment. So I felt more confident, holding him accountable for it. And now he's really one of my best friends. I love being around him. And he's, as I said, one of the most disciplined people I know, he's actually a special forces, Army Green Beret. Oh,
Dr. Tim Thayne:wow. That's awesome. You were you were you sense that was him, you know, way back when and you put him in the military school and wanted him to be in the outdoors and doing some things like that. And so you had those instincts, but you needed to remove the blocks in his ability to sounds like to manage himself.
Dianne:Right, exactly. And so it's been, it's great. And I always get goosebumps when I even share that because it's still I mean, for him to have his first and only graduation because he never finished anything. And that just happened this last end of summer, I was 20 years old. So it's very,
Dr. Tim Thayne:I love hearing success stories. It gives it gives all of us hope, you know, and, and the reality is, like you said, I appreciate you highlighting also that, you know, good things can happen. But we're still going through an experience in this world that we're going to be tested, we're going to have challenges, we're going to fail, we're going to have those times we don't pause even though we've learned how. And and that's the reality. And yet, there's a lot of hope in this process. Can you give us a little bit more of maybe the science behind it? Sure, and see if that can be part of our education. Because ultimately I'd love to have those listening. Who many of them are probably don't have a teen in a treatment program, but they they have the same kinds of dynamics with their son or daughter and and we would love to know more about how they might access that where they're at.
Dianne:Sure, sure. And we do have mobile systems that can help people across the globe. Oh wow. At least can have Neurofeedback in their house now. We have coaches that zoom in and help you and support you all along the way. But Neurofeedback and the science behind it the basics of the version that I use, there are different styles of Neurofeedback out there. But what we've had success with, we start with some simple bio psychosocial assessments, like you mentioned, there's those different pieces we want to see. And then the key is we're going to actually measure the brainwave activity in the brain. So there's a snug cap that you put on the on your head and a little bit of gel when we take to shave your head like I've got my hand No, no, actually, it's better when you have some hair.
Dr. Tim Thayne:Oh, really interesting. Yeah, the
Dianne:skin gets thicker when you don't have hair protecting it. So anyways, the cap will kick up just very minut brainwave activity and record that and that gets analyzed those are
Dr. Tim Thayne:electrical impulses happening in the brain that that it measures is that right? And you can vaccinate duct it better because of thinner skin, you're saying if
Dianne:you can pick it up, pick it up with a little bit of saline solution gel, you can pick up that electrical activity. Five, yeah. And you're right, those brain waves, it's communication, it's chemical reactions between the neurons in your brain. And we're always producing a bunch of different brainwave activity, but we should be producing certain patterns, depending on what we're doing. And when this patterns are off, or they get stuck, that's when people have problems and symptoms.
Dr. Tim Thayne:Interesting. Yeah. And what does it look like? If they're off? Is it a? Is it a graph that you're showing them? Is that a? What is it?
Dianne:Yeah, we have a simplified report that is going to put what they're self reporting side by side with what we're seeing in those networks of the brain most responsible for the symptoms. So somebody might say I, I have trouble focusing and look at the network's most responsible for focus and let them know whether there's dysregulation in there or not. And so when we have that information, and it's a lot of things that we can see anger issues, mood regulation, anxiety, worry, focus, attention, memory processing, things like that. Once you have that information on what the brain is doing, then you know what the brain needs to learn to change so that it can better right you can zero
Dr. Tim Thayne:in on those areas.
Dianne:Yeah, and the whole goal of Neurofeedback for the brain as a whole to better regulate. So based on that information, we're going to start teaching the brain certain patterns using that technology. And that looks like you don't have to wear the whole cap might be a sensor or two on the scalp picking up that brainwave activity. So that's the neuro part that we're measuring. The feedback part is, there'll be kickback watching Netflix, YouTube, Hulu, anything, you can stream online, and the software puts an overlay over top of it so that when your brains meeting, the pattern that we want to encourage, the screen will play a little bit brighter or a comfortable level so you can hear it better. And when the brain is not producing your healthy pattern dims and goes a little quieter, so you can't hear it as well. And so the brain naturally like when you wake up in the morning, your eyes focus, you want to see stuff, you know, if you're listening to something you you tune in, if you if it goes quiet, or because you want to hear it. So the brain will produce the patterns needed in order to see it and hear it better. And then you just keep repeating that. And it's just like when you learn to ride a bike or write with a pencil, you practice, practice, practice, and then you're doing it without even paying attention to what you're doing your brain
Dr. Tim Thayne:is the process focusing in on what it it needs to do to get the right patterns, basically, right,
Dianne:this creates new pathways in the brain. And again, we just want the brain to regulate as a whole because then people function better and sleep better and can regulate their moods and control their impulses better.
Dr. Tim Thayne:That's, that's really fascinating. I've known about this for a while on a more superficial basis. Even just the short explanation you've given is very interesting to me. In your in your work that you're doing the neurofeedback, are there things that they can do other things biologically that would help the brain improve its ability to learn? Is there anything else you would suggest?
Dianne:Well, yeah, I mean, your whole body is it's all connected, right? So we're always watching encouraging healthy sleep habits, drinking water movement, you know, and even though this is technology driven learning, you also don't want to be on technology, the other, you know, 12 hours of your waking day. Yeah. So it's all of those difficult taking care of yourself things that that sleep, I would say sleep is one of the biggest factors, you don't realize how even young kids and teens are not getting restorative sleep like they should?
Dr. Tim Thayne:Well, that's I believe that for sure. Especially with the technology out there. And it's it's stealing away a lot of sleep from Yeah, young people. All right.
Dianne:The other thing is our diet, obviously, our food and intake and nutrition, a lot of people have deficiencies, and they don't even know it until something happens way down the line. And that's a tricky one. I'm not a nutritionist, but we do, we can pick up things in the brain map that will give us some indications that there might be a physical, physiological metabolic challenge, and then we'll refer out and recommend nutritionist and everything. So certainly, those are a couple of the key things I can think of
Dr. Tim Thayne:has it played out in your experience for those people who have introduced or or I guess, been become more disciplined around a lot of other things that would biologically enhance the brain. And then you add the the biofeedback, the feedback that you give to the brain to train it, I would assume that's like the best case scenario for raw outcomes.
Dianne:It is, yeah, because we will have people that aren't, you know, their diets terrible, or, really, in some people inadvertently, they don't, it's not their fault, but they may be in a very stressful environment, like they're being bullied or something. And we'll see like, some progress in the brain. And then they have some that kind of trauma, or that extreme stress or that horrible diet, and they do backslide a little bit, and then we see progress and they backslide. And, you know, that's how we figure it out. There's something else in their environment happening. Because normally the brain is able to learn. That's just natural to do this, yeah. And that it's so it's very few people, you know, five to 7% of the people that don't respond to this in some positive way. Wow,
Dr. Tim Thayne:that's a really low assumption. Yeah.
Dianne:Yeah. And I came out of the gates from that therapeutic program with 100% of them responding in a positive way. In that controlled environment. Yeah. With the staff and the students. Everybody know
Dr. Tim Thayne:what you better better males trying to get them you know, structure in their life. Yeah. You've got a lot of things in your favor there where you've got that structured environment.
Dianne:All right, yeah. And the interesting thing was, though going in there is that I really wasn't a huge proponent or believer in like, ADHD and odd and all of the labels, you know. But when I went in there and I started measuring the brainwave patterns, they all had similar dysregulated patterns in their brain. And there, they were all kids that weren't really functioning in the typical environments and got sent to this program. And so I was like, whatever they want to call it, there's a physical reason contributing to the the challenges
Dr. Tim Thayne:in common. Yeah, right. Yeah. I guess one of the last questions I'd like to, to have you think about is, you know, a lot of parents when their child struggling the way your son did during those years, they, they lose a lot of confidence in themselves, yes, they might, you know, see, a lot of it is their child's problem, but, but they're being stretched to the extreme as a parent. And in many cases, they start to lose confidence in themselves and feel like I must be a bad parent. I assume that as you started to see these changes, there was probably a, you know, rebirth for you, as a parent, you know, more more energy, more confidence, more belief that what you're doing and follow through, like you did with maybe some of the boundaries. At that point, you could have confidence in all of that. Would you say that there, there was a growth in your own, I guess, confidence levels of parent as you saw changes in your son.
Dianne:That's really interesting. Because over all of those years, I really tuned out to how I felt about anything. So it's hard for me to even think back and I was so driven, like, I had to be taking action. And if I was taking action, I knew that I was doing the best that I possibly could whether it was right or wrong,
Dr. Tim Thayne:you could live with yourself, because you had Yeah.
Dianne:And that's just how I coped. I was one of those people I didn't I didn't, I didn't have time to think about how I felt I'm kind of very task oriented. Yeah. So even as he started healing and everything, I was still numb for a very long time, you know. But I do have to say that as I started spreading this in other places, and helping multiple families and other offices and everything, then I started feeling some more the feelings on behalf of other families, knowing that I may have saved them a little the trauma that we went through, you know, and I get those goosebumps just tear up a little more on behalf of them. It's only recently that I'm starting to like process some of that my own stuff, you know, so Well, quite
Dr. Tim Thayne:the journey, everyone has their own individual journey, had the one of the big commonalities, I think, is that on that journey with a child that struggles like that, you end up having to do make decisions, some of the hardest decisions of your life, are associated with that journey. And in your case, one of them was the transport of the home to a treatment program. But it is that going through that journey and finding answers like this, in the end, you can be a beacon of hope to other people, and you have answers that they need. And so I love hearing the success, the end, parents are everywhere want to hear those because they need that hope they need some answers. And I'm grateful for for what you've done and how you've affected, I'm sure hundreds of families, if not 1000s of families at this point. For the better. That's really the goal of of not by chance to do things intentionally. You know, that you know, work true principles. And you've shared one today that I think is really exciting. How can parents find get access to this kind of service, this kind of training?
Dianne:Yeah, they can go to our website at symmetry neuro pt.com. That's neuro P. 's and pathway teams in training.com. Certainly call us have that conversation, we can share with you how the home training program works. Or if you have programs, facilities providers out there, we teach and train providers how to provide this, I definitely don't want to be the only one doing it. Like I said, it needs to be a household name and common thing that we're all doing. So we need more and more providers and more and more people having access to it. I think it's a little bit just downright wrong that we didn't hear about this for 12 years that we went off, you know, through what we did it. Yeah. So anybody interested in furthering that mission and getting the word out there? It's going to come from the bottom up from the families from the moms from the dads from the kids, because Big Pharma isn't really supporting it, I'm sure
Dr. Tim Thayne:That's not gonna make any money if this, this works out and gets out there in a big way, right? So,
Dianne:but we want to as to together as a group, you know, on a mission, like, get this out there to more and more people that you know needed. So I appreciate you having me on to be able to share
Dr. Tim Thayne:it. You know, that's that's actually what I ultimately did with the book, you know, when I started Homeward Bound, everybody's like, Huh, what, you know, you know, they just didn't get it unless they were a therapist really watching the outcomes after treatment. And, and so when I wrote the book, not by chance, we sent it out to a bunch of treatment programs, and thought this, the clinical director, or the therapist would read it, and then they would recommend the parents and they put it on the shelf and didn't do anything with it. And it took a parent in a program to finally get hold of it. And then she went back to the program, and said, this book should be given to every family that that starts a treatment program. And she convinced her her program to do that. And it was really the parents ultimately that that created all the really all the movement of not by chance, it was parents. It wasn't the programs.
Dianne:Yep, that's what's gonna have to happen. I've been hanging in for a long time trying to help the natsap programs. But yeah, you might
Dr. Tim Thayne:need to write about because what you might need to do. Yeah,
Dianne:the book, I'm revising it, I'm about halfway through Are you ahead? Yeah, I had a ghostwriter. Write it and it doesn't sound like my voice. Yeah. So I'm, I'm rewriting it. The goal is to get that done here in the next couple of weeks. Awesome. I don't know anything about publishing. But yeah, it may help people.
Dr. Tim Thayne:That is fantastic. Yeah, I I had a company actually out of Charleston, South Carolina, you know, it was a talk your book kind of process. They said, you can get on the phone with us record your your story, you know, your book, and we'll ask you questions, kind of pull it out of you. And they did that gave it back to us. And it was awful. And so we we kind of wrote it, you know, based on what they gave us and, and they we gave back to the editors or the the Yeah, the editors, they sent it back to us and said, Okay, it's done. It's ready to print. I read it. And it was so redundant in so many places that I ultimately, I just literally put it away for a year and a half. I didn't even want to I was so discouraged. And actually, Roxanne, my wife, she, she got inspired and said, you know, we're going to do this. And she started waking me up at 430 in the morning, every every day. And I would talk and she would type and then she would kind of fill it in and then she'd read it back. And I'd say no, that's not it. It's this and, and that's really how the book came to be. Okay, I was like you, you know, it's a couple. So I guess I wanted to give you a little hope your next cue next version is gonna be much, much better and it is let it let it get it out there.
Dianne:Yeah. Awesome. Thank you so much for your time. Appreciate it. Thank
Dr. Tim Thayne:you, Diane, appreciate it all the best parents, your time is valuable, and I'm grateful you spent some of it with us. What you're intentionally doing in your home life is inspiring and unmatched in its importance and long term effects. Ask yourself, What am I going to do because of what I've learned today?