Integrating Career and Faith: Finding God in the Rhythms of Work w/ Chelsea Patterson Sobolik

Have you ever paused to consider how your career and faith intertwine? In our latest episode, we sit down with Chelsea Patterson Sobolik, a distinguished author and policy expert, who shares her inspiring journey from international ambitions to significant policy work in the heart of Washington DC, all through the lens of a biblical worldview. Chelsea's candid discussion about her adoption story and her advocacy for refugees and immigration broadens our perspective on the unique challenges and victories women face in balancing their profession and personal lives.

This conversation takes a deeper look at the sacred act of labor, transforming our understanding of work into an expression of divine worship. Reflecting on Martin Luther's teachings, we realize that even the most mundane tasks carry a profound purpose - serving others and acting as vessels for God's love. The reassurance from Scripture that our labor, whether praised or unsung, is seen and valued by God, offers comfort and compels us to seek His presence in our daily grind. It's a heartfelt reminder that our work can be a beautiful expression of our faith.

To wrap things up, we contemplate the forgotten art of Sabbath rest and the essential nature of finding balance. The episode draws attention to the modern obsession with being perpetually busy and how resting is not only rejuvenating but also a humbling acknowledgment of our human limits and God’s overarching control. I also share some of my treasured Bible study practices, hoping to encourage you to weave spiritual growth into the fabric of your day-to-day life. For those seeking a deeper exploration of these themes, Chelsea Patterson's book, "Called to Cultivate," comes highly recommended as a guide to discovering the joy and fulfillment found in the intersection of work and faith.

Book: Called to Cultivate
Website: chelseapattersonsobolik.com
Go-To Bible: ESV Study Bible
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Transcript

Mentor Mama: 0:07

Welcome back to the Coffee and Bible Time podcast. For those that may be listening for the first time, our podcast is an offshoot from our main platform, Youtube. Our channel is called Coffee and Bible Time, where our goal is to help people delight in God's Word and thrive in Christian living. We also have a website and storefront with Bible studies, prayer journals, courses, and more. I'm Mentor M ama, and today we are going to be discussing the significance of women and work. You know most of our waking hours are filled with working in some capacity, and we ought to devote serious thought and consideration to what the Bible has to say about it. You know the challenges of balancing work and life are a common struggle so many of us face. We question our career choices, we are wondering how to glorify God through our work and figure out how to navigate the complexities of being a Christian in the workplace, in the home or with the kids, because even if you don't receive a paycheck for your work, you are still working. Work, in any form in fact, is an act of cultivation, an opportunity to make something or someone better. So if we don't address the challenges surrounding our work-life balance, we risk missing out on the beauty, truth and hope that we can bring to the world. In today's episode, Chelsea Patterson Sobolik, symbolic author of the book, " called to Cultivate a Gospel Vision for Women and Work, dives deep into these questions, providing a solid theological foundation and practical rhythms that can help us flourish in our work.

Mentor Mama: 2:09

Chelsea is the author of Longing for Motherhood Holding on to Hope in the midst of Childlessness, and works in Washington DC as the director of government relations for a nonprofit organization. Previously, she's worked for the leading evangelical child welfare organization in the country, the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission and on Capitol Hill. Chelsea has been published at the Wall Street Journal, usa Today, the Gospel Coalition, christianity Today and other outlets. Chelsea was adopted as a newborn from Bucharest, Romania. She grew up in North Carolina and holds a BA in international relations from Liberty University. She and her husband, Michael, are also building their family through international adoption and have recently welcomed their son home from India. Please welcome Chelsea.

Chelsea Patterson Sobolik: 3:12

Thank you so much for having me. It's great to be here.

Mentor Mama: 3:14

Oh, Chelsea, what a joy. Congratulations on your adoption. How is motherhood going?

Chelsea Patterson Sobolik: 3:21

Oh, my goodness, it's a huge transition, but I mean the best transition in the world. Yeah, our son's two and a half. So we went from zero children to a toddler who doesn't speak English but he's learning very quickly. So a huge transition. But I mean we are just delighted and think we have the best little boy in the entire world. I'm sure every parent says that though.

Mentor Mama: 3:45

Yeah, how adorable. Well, It's such a joy to be able to talk to you today. You're just your work background and your heart for serving others is just so evident. I want to start out by having you tell us just a little bit about your background, and I found it fascinating how God kind of diverted your plans. You had all these plans for yourself and they ended up from going from West Africa to Washington DC. Tell us a little bit about that.

Chelsea Patterson Sobolik: 4:24

Absolutely. S o, as you mentioned in my bio, was born overseas and I've always had a deep passion and love for the nations. My parents before I'm one of six children all adopted internationally, but before children they they lived in West Africa and my dad's an architect and they physically helped build churches there, and so I grew up hearing their stories of living abroad. Having been born abroad myself, and I had this big desire to move overseas and do some type of work on with people who are vulnerable, and so I studied international relations, planning to move overseas.

Chelsea Patterson Sobolik: 5:06

And, to make a long story short, God majorly redirected my steps to the Washington DC area, and I always say God has a sense of humor because so many people, their entire career, desires and ambitions, are to live and work here, and that was not mine and I feel like I kind of stumbled into the work that I do now. But of course God has, you know, directed my steps here and I've been here almost 11 years now and really really developed a passion and a love for public policy. And the cool thing that I love about what I do and where I do it is the nations are here. I mean so many people from around the globe, live and work or immigrate to the Washington DC area. So God, in a very roundabout way, really answered my desire to live and work among people from different nations. But I also have gotten to work on public policies that touch international relations. Right now I do refugee and immigration public policy and I love it. I think I have one of the best jobs in the world.

Mentor Mama: 6:16

Oh, I really could sense your passion for what you do, as you put it forth in your book as well, and your book called to cultivate your. You're discussing the concept of women, specifically right work, and through this biblical lens, why don't you share with us just what, what your research showed you when you looked at what scripture says about the value and the worth of work for women?

Chelsea Patterson Sobolik: 6:51

This was such a fun book to write because I got to just read so many books on the topic of work. But one of the things that I love about what scripture says about work is that work predates the fall. On the very first page of Genesis we see a card at work, creating the world with his words. Of course we know he created Adam and Eve, and one of the things that I think is really crucial to note here about work and women and work is that when God blessed Adam and Eve, he gave both of them the creation mandate. So the calling to be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth, and the call to subdue and cultivate the earth, he gave it to both men and women, and so both genders are commanded and called to subdue and exercise dominion over the earth. And one of the ways through which humans image God to the world is through working. And women, from the very first woman from Eve, have played a vital role in the flourishing of their families, church, their communities and the Kingdom of God through their work.

Chelsea Patterson Sobolik: 8:02

I think it's really important to note to you. I mean we've seen work change in pretty drastic ways throughout history. Certainly throughout the past hundred hundred years, work has changed immensely. But for us today, living and working in, you know, 2024, most, the majority of women work in some capacity, whether that's inside the home, raising children, maybe caring for aging parents, working outside the home, maybe working inside the home and trying to balance a side job. You know, all of us are spending our days working.

Chelsea Patterson Sobolik: 8:38

We might just not always receive a paycheck for it, and so I really do think we should give serious thought and consideration to not only what scripture says about work because it actually has quite a lot to say about work but how we, as women, steward, steward the work that God has called us to do.

Chelsea Patterson Sobolik: 8:58

And the reality is work does look different for women than it does men, and so that does have some unique challenges and opportunities. But I think obviously we see work in the first pages of Genesis, and we know the fall has marred everything. I will be the first to raise my hand and say I feel the impacts of the fall of my work every single day, but I think the good news of scripture, of the gospel, is that sin doesn't have the final say with our work. The gospel is telling us and inviting Christians into the redeeming and restoration narrative of history and God's redeeming all things, including work, to himself. And so not only does sin have an impact on our work, the gospel also has an impact and has ought to restructure how we work, why we work, how we think about work, everything about our lives. So that was a long answer to a shorter question, but the Bible is not silent on the topic of work, and the Bible is not silent on women and at work.

Mentor Mama: 10:18

Yeah, it, absolutely. You're correct. You know right, we were created to work and like you said it, but that can look very different for each one of us. I found it interesting that you kind of have the math in the book here. It says that we spend 90,000 hours of our lives working. It's a lot of hours. I mean you can't even really wrap your mind around what that is. But tell us what it means to, as we are created in God's image. Like how does that relate to the biblical call to work?

Chelsea Patterson Sobolik: 10:59

Absolutely, and I want to be careful in saying work is how we image God, because there are people who can't work, who might have a physical disability or a mental disability that prevents them from working. So I want to be very careful and not make the blanket statement that work is how we image God. It is one of the ways through which humans can image God. But when we work which, you know, a lot of us spend the majority of our time working when we work, we are not only participating in one of the ways through which God created humanity to image himself, we're also showing the world what God is like and what he cares about. And that's why I think we should be very thoughtful in our work, because everything we do and say whether or not it's in a corner office on the C-suite level, stalking shelves at Walmart, caring about everything we do does, if we publicly identify ourselves as Christians, tells the world something about who God is and what he is like.

Chelsea Patterson Sobolik: 12:16

And in our work, I think the two big undergirding factors in our work and this can play out a million different directions is loving God through our work and loving our neighbor through our work, and glorifying God through our work, and again, this looks different. I mean, it's looked. I've had five jobs in DC. It's looked different for me. I just stepped into motherhood. It looks different for us in different seasons of life. But what never changes is that we can seek to love God and love others through our work, and I think I've found the temptation that we can step into the doors of our workplace and almost forget that we are called to be Christian there, or to get caught up in the busyness and not give our work the thought that I think Christians should approach our work with.

Mentor Mama: 13:13

Sure, yeah. Well, you talk about this idea of redemptive work. Tell us what you mean by that and how that really transforms our approach to work.

Chelsea Patterson Sobolik: 14:24

Absolutely. So I really really dug into basically how to be a Christian in a workplace after I write about this in the book. But I was working on Capitol Hill and my to make a long story short my boss resigned and I lost my job and the job I took after that I really did not enjoy at all, and so I was kind of on the opposite end of the on Capitol Hill. It was my dream job. I was doing what I loved, working on issues I cared about. And then the opposite end of the spectrum I went to a job that I literally just felt like I was doing to pay the bills, and so I was really thinking through does God care about my professional life? Where is God when I'm doing work that I don't enjoy? How do I glorify God in a job I'm not thrilled about? I mean, could God still use me in a difficult job? Like all of those questions I was really really wrestling with, and I would imagine I'm not the only one who's who's felt those things. I think you know. The question I was really wrestling with is how does God redeem my work was very easy to see or to feel like my work mattered when I was in a job I loved, but when I was in a job I did not enjoy at all, I really wrestled with where how can I still use this season well to glorify God? And I think one of the things as a Christian you know we're not only telling the world what God is like.

Chelsea Patterson Sobolik: 16:00

There's, there's a couple things that we can grasp on to in redemptive work. The first is work as worship. So the Hebrew word I'm not going to even to pronounce it because I think I've mispronounced it before, but the Hebrew term that is used in scripture simultaneously actually means work, worship and service. The first time this term is used is in Genesis, to telling us about God's original design for work and how work and worship seamlessly go together. And so I think we can view our work and I should caveat by saying there are certain types of work that are simple, but I mean, for the vast majority of us were sending emails, are doing, you know, expense reports or this work that is neutral, it's not simple work, but we can view our work as one of the ways through which we worship God, and I think that's really that really reoriented my perspective, because I stepped into that workplace I was the only Christian that I knew of. I really tried to adopt the mindset that everything I do tells my co-workers something about who God is and what he's like. But also the act of me going to this job that I don't enjoy is one of the ways I can worship God, because and this is the second color I think we can kind of hold on to Like I said earlier, work is one of the ways through which we love our neighbor, and Martin Luther has this quote that I love.

Chelsea Patterson Sobolik: 17:36

He said God doesn't need your good works, but our neighbor does.

Chelsea Patterson Sobolik: 17:40

And so really stepping back and saying, okay, how does my work help humans flourish, how does my work help me to love my neighbor?

Chelsea Patterson Sobolik: 17:53

And for some roles it's easy to kind of see the direct tie and for others you might need to take a couple steps back. I read about this example in the book, but I wrote several chapters on my laptop and a coffee shop and for that moment to happen, so many other people had to do their job well, I mean people so much harder than me created my computer and the coffee and the milk and my latte, and the person who built the chair and all of these different things helped me to flourish in that moment because I was able to sit down and type out words on the computer. So I think holding these two pillars into restructuring how we think about work that work is a way we worship and it's a way that we love our neighbor will really help us view our work redemptively and not just transactually as a way to get a paycheck or as a way to get to the end of the day so we can relax. I really think it helps us restructure our vision for what work even is.

Mentor Mama: 18:56

Absolutely. When you talk about this experience that you had doing a job that was not your favorite, I can remember a time as well in my life where I had a job in a work environment that just wasn't ideal, and I just remember how God blessed me one day when I walked over to another worker's cubicle and I was kind of like looking at her pictures on there and I don't remember specifically what the picture was, but I knew she was a Christian and it was at that moment. I just felt such joy. I'm like, okay, I was so excited to know and it turned out we even went to the same church. It's just like we went to a different service than I did, and so God has a way to blessing us in different ways. Tell us, what would you say to someone right now who is in that position of having a job that's very difficult, like? Does scripture give us an indication of a better way to work or how can we practically work well?

Chelsea Patterson Sobolik: 20:25

Yes, I love this question. I think one of the things that I have clung to you in honestly really great jobs that I find a lot of fulfillment and harder jobs is one of the promises in scripture, the promise that God says he'll never leave her for sake of us. And yes, those promises have deeply rooted me in moments of deep suffering, deep hardship. But it's also helpful for me to remember in those moments where I feel really unseen in my labors, where it feels like no one is appreciating what I'm doing, or I've had a boss who is very harsh to me in their language and I can feel an inch high in those moments. Or changing another diaper that no one's gonna click like on Instagram, or all of those types of things. Or that hidden work or that frustrating work where it feels like I'm the only one who feels this way or I'm the only one who is really trying to do a good job here. Whatever that feeling is for us, I have found it very helpful to remember that God promises never to leave her for sake of me, and that means in those moments when I feel so unseen, so undervalued, or where I do feel very valued and have a temptation to boast or be proud. It's almost a leveling agent for me, because remembering God never leaves her for sakes me, in my worst moments and in my best moments.

Chelsea Patterson Sobolik: 22:13

And so for me and for, I think, others to remember in those moments where we feel like we cannot go to work one more day or we feel so unseen in our labors at home, god knows and God sees us. And that might sound simple to say, but when I allow that truth to see deep, deep, deep into my heart, it re-orient everything, because I know that there's no wasted time or wasted moments in God's kingdom and that in those moments of frustration, I can allow those moments to invite God into his spirit and prayer. I can. Maybe it's a season where I'm learning patience more, or all of these things. It's a really trusting that God means it when he says he'll never leave her for sake of, so that means he's with me in those those hard moments. And then also, I think remembering God's, god's care for us In those moments too, has really helped me See outside of myself and see. See God's goodness and Presence in those difficult moments.

Mentor Mama: 23:37

This really ties in so beautifully to the sermon that our pastor did on Sunday, when you said that he just started the book of Daniel and God is telling the Israelites that they're going to be going into exile, but which you know could is a difficult situation, similar to how you could have a different cult. You know time in your life as well, but he's saying I will be with you, and not only will I be with you, but I will go before you, and so I do love what you said. I think that that we can take such encouragement from that and Tell me, chelsea. So in the area that you've been working at Helping people and they're facing many times very difficult circumstances has there ever been someone that's kind of Stood out to you that you saw sort of clinging to these truths to help them?

Chelsea Patterson Sobolik: 24:56

It's a great question. I've worked in both secular work environments and Christian work environments. It's actually really interesting to see the some of the differences. I mean on face value, of course there's massive differences, but I'm kind of like you were saying in that job where you Discovered, you know oh, you too, you're a Christian too. In some of the secular work environments I've had, other I've, you know, there've been groups that have been started for other Christians working on Capitol Hill, for example, and it's been really helpful to Come together and see other people who are striving not only to be excellent in their job and I think I actually do think Christians should strive for excellence and, you know, I think we should do everything with excellence but but are navigating some of those really difficult things that that job uniquely brings. And so I have. I've been encouraged to have like-minded colleagues walking through similar paths and seeking to rightly apply the word of God to to their work. So that's been encouraging.

Chelsea Patterson Sobolik: 26:15

When I first moved to DC, I had so many people say why would you move there? It's, you know, a godless place. And all of this. Number one God's presence is everywhere. But number two when I first moved here, I was blown away by the amount of Christians here seeking to Love justice, do mercy and and love their neighbor through their work. But there's so many faithful churches here too and I think it's really detrimental.

Chelsea Patterson Sobolik: 26:45

Or when we write off Types of workplaces, you know, working in the government you can't ever, you know, accomplish anything, or Even places you know God could never do anything there.

Chelsea Patterson Sobolik: 26:57

You know, nothing good comes from Nazareth. You know that type of mentality and Seeing people up close and personal and then wanting to share. You know there are people all over the world, all over DC, who are seeking to take scripture and rightly apply it to to their work, and I mean, of course we see people twisting scripture too, but there are really committed, faithful people and I mean the reality is like we will never know many of their, like they're never gonna be on the front page of the news, but they're. They're quiet, faithful work Will have impacts on history, both in Washington DC and rural care, wherever someone lives, knowing that, even if our names and faces are never on a newspaper or if we're not, you know a big name on Instagram or Twitter, whatever that, our work Will still touch the lives of others and have impacts, not only in this life, but through, through our detergents. I think is really a Really cool thing to to root ourselves to and knowing that we can do good work Wherever God has called us and whatever season he's called us into.

Mentor Mama: 28:11

So true. In your book you say that while work is deeply meaningful, it shouldn't be ultimate in our lives. We were created to work, but we were also created for rest, play and pleasure. So tell us how that sort of ties into the concept of Sabbath rest and the importance of how women sort of need to have this balance.

Chelsea Patterson Sobolik: 28:45

I love this question and you know I again going back to the very first pages of scripture, we see God create time but then also orient to man at the time. So he modeled for us. He worked six days and then ceased to work his a seventh, and demonstrated that rhythm of working six days, ceasing a seventh, a Sabbath if you will. So that's kind of a weekly rhythm, but built into our days are actually daily rhythms of humanity needing to stop working, which is sleep. I think God created evening and God created morning or day, and so I think one of the things that I love about how God structured time is we have daily and weekly rhythms. That he's instituted for us and, for me at least, it reminds us of my limitations, because I love my job, I love working I mean, again, I've been in season so that's not the case but I have a temptation to overwork and not stop working and so needing to go to bed I mean, I have a toddler, I get tired by 8 pm now but it's a reminder that we need to sleep and that God upholds the world, how we sleep and how we rest, and it's a reminder that we are humans and, honestly, a reminder of the bigness of God, that he holds the whole world in his hand, and so I think, as Christians, I mean our society's addicted to busyness, absolutely addicted, but I really think we should structure our lives in a way that, again, like you know, work is very important, but it's not ultimate, and it was never meant to bear the weight of our identities more, so much more than workers. You know, we are members of churches, members of communities, members of families, and all of those things are very important as well. So, you know, I I think people of good faith just can disagree on whether Sabbath is still a commandment that we ought to obey. However, I do think there's wisdom in honoring it, though the word Sabbath comes from the Hebrew term Shabbat, and the word Shabbat means he rested and the first. I love this so much because it ties back into restructuring identity. But the first mention of the word Sabbath is actually about in Genesis. It's in Exodus 16. So Shabbat's used in Genesis.

Chelsea Patterson Sobolik: 31:36

Sabbath is used in Exodus, when God is leading the Israelites out of slavery from Egypt as God's chosen people. He's teaching them a new way of living, and he promised us to stain them with his presence. And so I think, when we choose to step back one day a week it doesn't have to be Sunday, but when we choose to honor God with our time and step back and rest, I think it loosens our grip on our idols and leads us out of the slavery that we are tempted into again. It can look different, our idols look different. You know, mine is the temptation to overlook, and so when I like to do lists, most days is longer by the end, and I think I mean, if I wanted to, I could never stop working. But choosing to lay down my idol of overworking or my idol of you know whatever it is, and choosing to rest, I really do think that God honors that and I think that it's one of the ways that we can live on God's time and not the world's time.

Mentor Mama: 32:45

I completely agree and I struggle honestly with the very same thing, like just on plugging, because that to-do list is just goes on and on and on and it never stopped.

Mentor Mama: 32:58

In fact I was never stopped.

Mentor Mama: 33:00

You know, we have these electronic calendars now that you can put on repeat and it says when, when this is gonna end, and never, never, like oh my goodness.

Mentor Mama: 33:14

But I do think, at least for me to kind of get through, that is just prayer and asking God to prioritize and being intentional about taking that time for rest. And I know for me personally, like I have been trying to really take that one day of rest, but it's at night where I have a hard time, like stopping what I'm doing because I'm working from home and it can be challenging to do that. But what I found is is, if I stop and allow myself to have some type of a creative outlet, that I feel so much more refreshed and I think it does help me to, you know, make my life feel fuller and richer and doesn't get depleting. Well, as we start to wrap things up here, you have so many other great topics within this book that we could talk about, including networking and mentorship, and I'd like to just sort of wrap up with the, what words of encouragement would you have for the person who feels just unseen or like their work isn't making a difference or just doesn't even matter?

Chelsea Patterson Sobolik: 34:45

I think I'm going to steal this phrase from Eugene Peterson that I love, which he actually borrowed the phrase from someone else but committing to the long obedience in the same direction. And you know, as women our life is much more seasonal than men, in many different ways, but fixing our eyes on the thing that never changes, which is our calling to obediently follow Christ wherever he leads us. And so that long obedience in the same direction, remembering that we're not necessarily called to success and I think we should, like I said earlier, be excellent and we should strive for success, but that's not our calling as Christians. We're not called to necessarily be successful, we're called to live faithful and obedient lives. And so I think, whenever we are following Christ and seeking to obey his commandments, that we can trust that, no matter how insignificant or unseen, we feel that the things that God deems important are very different from the world. And so, remembering that our value and worth does not come from the size of our paycheck, from the titles behind our name or the lack thereof, that our ultimate calling, value, worth, dignity, comes from God. And so we can root all of ourselves, all of our time, all of our days, in that promise that not one tear that we shed will be forgotten by God, that he keeps our tears in the bottle, so when we are in deep moments of pain and struggle or when we're on the mountaintop, that everything has meaning, not only for today but for eternity. And so I think the thing I would almost close with and encourage other sisters with is commit, put our heads on our visions and fix our eyes on Christ.

Chelsea Patterson Sobolik: 37:06

And I don't mean this to be a cheesy church answer, I mean it. I say this because it has changed everything for me and I can't go one day without the help of the Holy Spirit, because life's too hard, if I'm honest, life's too hard to I can't do it all on my own. I've tried, believe me. I've tried. I fail miserably or I am not the type of person I want to be to my family and community. It is only with God's help that I can, and God's grace, infinite measures of grace that I can have open hands and seek to honor him with our lives. So, to sum it up, I would say God sees us, god knows us, god loves us, and for us to fix our eyes on him as we're walking the path.

Mentor Mama: 38:06

For life Amen. Well said, Chelsea. How can people find out more information about you and your book?

Chelsea Patterson Sobolik: 38:16

So my website is chelseapattersonsobolik. c om and, Called to Cultivate is available wherever books are sold.

Mentor Mama: 38:24

Excellent. We will make sure we have those links in the show notes. Before we go, though, I want to ask you some of our favorite Bible study tool questions. I think people wait for here, so what Bible is your go-to Bible and what translation is it?

Chelsea Patterson Sobolik: 38:40

I use an ESV Bible. I actually got a new one a couple years ago. My old one the cover had fallen off. I have a newer, fresher Bible that ESV and I kind of use two at the same time. I have a large ESV study Bible and then a smaller one that I keep on my desk with me at all times. But, yeah, I use both almost daily.

Mentor Mama: 39:07

That's awesome. Yeah, the ESV study Bible is really good. Okay, excellent, okay. Do you have any favorite journaling supplies or anything? That you like to use to enhance your Bible study experience.

Chelsea Patterson Sobolik: 39:23

I work through and I probably don't do this as much as I would like to at all but I work through, actually in the evenings, a series of questions, More like a end of the day closeout. But I feel like in the morning I'm fresh, I pray, but in the evenings I'll try to journal out where did I see God in my day? What am I grateful for that the Lord did in this day? What are moments of frustration that I'm bringing to prayer? I think the practice is called a daily agreement, but I'm working through kind of a and I just use a little mole skin notebook for that. I kind of go through the series of questions and the way I end it every evening or the evenings I do it.

Chelsea Patterson Sobolik: 40:15

I'm very imperfectly, but the evenings I do. It is what promise or scripture am I cleaning to this day? And that's really helpful for me to close my day that way. It really helps me go into the evening well, but also in trust what happened that day. The good and the bad back to.

Mentor Mama: 40:35

God, I love that. Lastly, what is your favorite app or website for Bible study tools?

Chelsea Patterson Sobolik: 40:45

I love the Dwell app. I love listening to the Bible. I've read through the Bible in a year before, but I'm reading through the Bible in two years right now, just because I changed jobs last year. I sent in the motherhood the book released. I knew life was going to be very full and I'm not surprisingly in behind. But I've been listening to the Bible as I'm getting ready in the morning and that's really, really helpful and encouraging to me. That you know, what matters is not that I stay on a plan. What matters is that the word of God is in my head and my heart and so, yeah, I love the dwell app.

Mentor Mama: 41:27

Oh my goodness, people who listen to this podcast are going to think that you know they're like we're telling everybody to say that. But though the dwell app is.

Mentor Mama: 41:41

It's not good it is great, and in fact, this morning I was on it and I noticed too they have a chronological Bible that they will read to you. So I've done that once, where I've read it in a book, but I think it would be really cool to have that read to you too. So, all right, dwell app. Great app, chelsea. Thank you so much for being here today Just to shine a light on how we can flourish in our work and glorify God, no matter where our workplace is or what we are doing.

Chelsea Patterson Sobolik: 42:14

Well, thanks so much for having me. It was a great conversation.

Mentor Mama: 42:18

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