Jonny is joined by his friend Pam Dykstra (who happens to be a Master Trainer with VitalSmarts) and they talk about what Crucial Conversations are, why we avoid them, and how to have them well in order to get unstuck. Pastor, you NEED to listen to this conversation because there are places where you are stuck and conversations that you have been putting off (or that you have been going about the wrong way!) This episode is JAM PACKED with content and you will not be sorry you tuned in!