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Dead Talks Podcast Host - David Ferrugio
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David Ferrugio, host of Dead Talks podcast, shares his journey through grief after losing his father in the World Trade Center on 9/11 and how it inspired him to create a show exploring mortality through meaningful conversations.
• Personal experience losing his father at age 12 during the 9/11 attacks
• How processing grief through "exposure therapy" helped him cope with trauma
• Fascinating patterns in near-death experiences and what they might tell us about the afterlife
• Why differences in NDEs might be personalized transitions to make the experience less jarring
• Deathbed visions reported by hospice workers and their consistency across different patients
• The concept that "conversations about death are essentially conversations about life"
• How talking about mortality has increased his compassion and perspective on daily challenges
• The comparison between facing rejection in real estate and building a podcast about difficult topics
• Reflection on different approaches to death: quick versus prolonged, and how each presents unique challenges
• Unconventional burial practices from around the world, including Tibetan sky burials
Check out Dead Talks podcast on all major platforms and follow @deadtalkspodcast on Instagram. Check out his amazing interview with Gary Sinise on Spotify
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Welcome to The Brad Weisman Show, where we dive into the world of real estate, real life, and everything in between with your host, Brad Weisman! 🎙️ Join us for candid conversations, laughter, and a fresh take on the real world. Get ready to explore the ups and downs of life with a side of humor. From property to personality, we've got it all covered. Tune in, laugh along, and let's get real! 🏡🌟 #TheBradWeismanShow #RealEstateRealLife
Credits - The music for my podcast was written and performed by Jeff Miller.
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Speaker 1:All right, all right, this is going to be a little different show Hugo, that's right. A little different, little different. You know we're going to talk about an interesting topic here. What is it? The topic today is going to be about death.
Speaker 2:Death, yes, I know.
Speaker 1:All right, all right, yeah. Yeah, it's an interesting topic. We don't normally talk about death on the show too much. It tends to kill the show.
Speaker 1:That's a terrible joke man that is a terrible joke, terrible joke, but no, this is a really interesting person that I've met or I've seen online. I was on social media and this show came up and it was actually Gary Sinise, and I'm looking at Gary Sinise talking to this host. His name is David, who's going to be on a couple of minutes here. It's called dead talks and they talk about death and they really kind of they talk about it more in like a discovery, kind of a uh, yeah, more of an investigate, like I heart. It's hard to explain, but it's not like, it's not like totally sad, it's not like really, really, oh, I'm going to sit there and cry the whole time, but it was really interesting because they really kind of talks about life. So dead talks is the name of this podcast. You definitely want to check it out and we are lucky enough to have the host, david Ferruccio, here with us right now. So here he is, david.
Speaker 1:How you doing, man, I'm doing great. How you doing, I'm doing great, I'm doing really well, yeah, so I just I love your show. I love your show. Yeah, it's so different. I mean, I listened to a gazillion podcasts and you think sometimes, am I going to hear something new. Am I going to hear something different, something creative, something original? And you did it, you. You really came up with a show that's interesting. Uh, it's creative, it's. It's something we all experience we either we're going to all experience ourselves. But we're also experienced the other side of it, when we lose somebody, and that's death. How in the world, or why did you come up with this topic or this place to go on on podcasts?
Speaker 2:Uh, it starts personally, but also a little bit about what you tapped into. It's the most universal thing I believe that we experienced and I just don't see a lot of people talking about it. I'm not the only one doing it, but for me personally that I my my big one, if you will losing my dad on September 11th. He died in the World Trade Center when I was 12. Podcasts weren't a thing yet, so it wasn't on the forefront of my mind. But growing up, I had this weird hunch about thinking about what I'm going to do and I always felt like I was going to be speaking in some capacity. Why, I have no idea, but I knew it was going to come back to my dad and ultimately, due to my own experience with grief and whatnot, I decided to make it a little more public and share other people's stories.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's awesome and I and I think it's just like anything when we talk to people that are in the mental health field, you know that come into the studio. It's a stigma, you know. We, we know we talked about this before, hugo when people talk about wills and trusts and stuff, nobody wants to talk about those things because they're just not fun. You don't go to a bar and go, let's have a drink and talk about death, or let's have a drink and talk about wills and trusts and things like that. But it's inevitable.
Speaker 1:But I think if you can kind of I don't even want to call it normalize it or whatever you want to call it make it, that it's okay, then it is okay. You know to talk about it. So I think now, when you went to go to do this show, did you talk to somebody and go I'm starting this podcast. It's going to be awesome, cause most of the podcasts are like these uplifting topics and you know we're going to, we're going to do one that's called. You know, yay, yippee, ik, I'm happy as could be, whatever it would be and you're coming out and you say to somebody we're going to, I'm going to start this new one.
Speaker 2:It's going to be called dead talks. Yeah, you know, I will clearly never had a drink with me at the bar, because it definitely comes up more, you know what that would be awesome.
Speaker 2:So maybe we uh, if we uh clink the glasses at one point, you'll see what I'm talking about. But uh, yeah, no, I still have no idea what I'm doing. So, especially starting, you know, I just it's just felt authentic in regards to what I feel passionate about, what I thought was important. Of course, I have the audience in mind, but I've always had that question mark I was really anyone going to listen to a podcast about death? And deep down I thought so. I just didn't know how it was going to go down or how I was going to do it.
Speaker 2:And the show and the conversations have evolved significantly since when I first started. But again, yeah, I didn't, I just put it out there. It was like let's just throw enough shit at the wall, see if it sticks, and if not, that's great. I still, even to this day, five years later, I was like, regardless, if this, you know, fully turns into a career for me, I'm still going to want to do it. And I think that goes back to the premise of the passion behind it, regardless, and I've been blessed to have people listen, and I've been more blessed to speak to incredible people that carry the show more than I do. You know what I mean. So it's been a fun journey, and now I specifically even feel more confirmed that this is a topic that people want to listen to, and I'm just trying to do the best I can, honestly. So we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, you're, you're. You're doing really well and I think we talked about that a little before we started recording You're doing really well. I think it's actually what I've noticed when I'm watching your show is you're, it's about authenticity. You know, that's any show, I don't care what the topic is. There's passion, that's definitely there, but you're authentic about it. You know, you, really.
Speaker 1:You know and I always talk about people say, well, how do you know how to ask questions? How do you know you know what to do? It's it's, it's curiosity. I mean, every situation of somebody dying is unique. There's no two ways that are. You know. Obviously, the different ways you can die are the same, but the actual story of that person's life, or the story of how they got to that point or what happened to them, or why were they, where, was it cancer, was it this? Was it that was an al als, you don't know. They're all your unique stories. And then some of the stuff that I want to talk about, that too, is near-death experiences, people that got to that edge, right to that edge of where we never know really what's going on there, and came back and actually tell these stories. So let's go into a little bit about your dad if you don't mind telling a little bit of that story, if you can just say what your experience was with 9-11. I mean, you said you were, I think you were 12.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was 12. Uh, you tell me how deep you want me to go with it. I can give you a the quick version, or that day, what do you want to hear?
Speaker 1:Um, give me that day abbreviated.
Speaker 2:Sure, okay, today was September 11th, uh. So yeah, I mean long story long. Trying to make it short, I was 12 at the time. Seventh grade, I went into first period and my buddy, jeff, knew my dad worked in the trade center. He said, hey, doesn't your dad work in the world trade center? And I said, yeah, why? He's like.
Speaker 2:A plane flew into the building and let alone being at 12. That just made no sense. I'm like what does he mean? A plane flew into my dad's building. I tried making a call at the office, couldn't get, couldn't. They didn't allow me to make a call.
Speaker 2:Big commuter town. So I think the whole school was kind of chaotic, a little on the world. And uh, by the time I started walking home I would, you know, I was going through the whole day not knowing what was going on. My mom made the decision to keep me in school, which I back a thousand percent. You know, looking back I'm like into the chaos. She had no idea what was going on. She let me go through school, came home and I remember, and I'll never forget, walking around the bend to get to my cul-de-sac I see cars outside my house and that was the first time I realized that something went on, something serious is about to happen and essentially changed my life forever.
Speaker 2:And when I got into the house me and my best friend at the time who walked home with me we got separated. I remember making my way to the living room because I wanted to see the TV. Someone or people were trying to keep me away from it, but I there was no. No one was going to stop me to see what was happening and I saw the footage for the first time and that's I remember just breaking down, just just sobbing, and then everything went black. It was as if my body just went into overload. I was like you can't handle this, so we're going to shut it down for a quick second.
Speaker 2:And that's kind of the theme of my experience in a sense, because I don't remember a lot. I think it was my body protecting me. But, like I said a million times on my show, it's a weird contradiction because your body's protecting you in that moment, because it's just system overload and it's protecting you, but it's going to mess you up later If you don't deal with exactly what that moment brought upon in a way that it's protecting you in the moment fight or flight type shit. But after that, something you got to work out and that's something that's been a long part of my journey is unraveling a lot as I became a man.
Speaker 2:Even to date, as 36 years old, is a lot that came on down the road that uncover what this, that and the other, and along the lines it became way more comfortable speaking about it, expressing myself because I was not that person, which is a big premise behind one of the many reasons I have the podcast and the show is because I was someone who didn't talk about it. And I'm not saying talking about it is always the answer, but it's a decent starting point. It's a it's a decent expression of what you've gone through, and sharing that through stories is something I'm passionate about. You can learn from other people's experiences like my own or the guests that I've had. It's not the same as getting punched in the face, but it can give you a little bit, a little bit more in your arsenal for when when stuff really goes down in your life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's a tribute to your dad. You know what you're doing, obviously. You know, I think. I think obviously he'd be very proud of what you're doing because you're keeping that legacy going and you're helping people that deal with grief and and not everybody gets to the point you are there's people that carry that their whole lives and never get to the point of being able to let that go or not let it go. I shouldn't say you never want to let it because it's there, it's, it's uh, but to be able to talk about it, to help share that story, you know, because you're gonna, you're gonna change other people's lives by doing that yeah, that's in regards to what you just said.
Speaker 2:It's fascinating because you know I get a lot of engagement on what I post and I see more often a lot people commenting. You know I've been grieving for 40 years, 30 years. It never goes away, it never gets better this, that and the other and you know i't respond to everything and some things I choose not to respond to because it's not my place and I don't want to come off wrong in a couple messages online. This is not the right place, but it's it's. It's sad when I see people that are still carrying it. And again what you said, you always carry it, you evolve with it, you don't just let go. But there are things you can let go of and to me, that's always comes back to perspective and the way you see things and it depends on the time and where you are with your experience. Cause if you're fresh in it, whatever that means, cause that timeline is different for everyone there's it's not going to resonate and doesn't have to resonate. It's got to allow it to suck, to be honest.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But at some point you people that I've had on it's like I completely disagree, that doesn't get better. And my cliche statement with that is whatever you, whatever you believe and whatever you say, even out loud or to yourself, and that's going to be it. And if you're not going to, if you're going to say it's not going to get better, it's never going to get better and it's not. That's just truly how I feel and I just, I implore people just to at least put a maybe in there. You don't have to be so a matter of fact, like it's going to get better, like I. I believe, even if you just throw a little bit of a maybe in there, give yourself a little wiggle room, no matter what, how low the percentage you might seem it is, it's just possible. I've seen it too many times.
Speaker 1:I say when I see people get stuck in that way yeah, so much, and do you, though, obviously, are talking about it. So you know, they're obviously getting to a certain place with that. But even with Gary, when he was on Gary Sinise, he said I guess he didn't start talking about it until he was involved in something else for the warriors, I guess for the military, and I guess then he started telling his story. So there must be. But what's weird is that, you know, here you have a guy that's you know, very much in the public's eye and I think it's a, it's a great that that he is telling the starters. I was really surprised to see him tell the story on your show, cause a lot of times, you know, those type of people don't tell it, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I asked him that and if I'm watching the episodes, I don't butcher it. But at the same time, it was something along the lines of when he got, I think he did an interview on people with people for the first time and you know, I think my episode is one of only few he's done so far. But he just realized the effect that it has on people by sharing stories and I think he related it to his work with the veterans in regards to them talking about it and putting it out there, and he felt a similar mission in regards to doing the same. And you know, just from that episode being out there and the response it had, it's it's proof of that and it's proof of the power that you can have by sharing stories because, again, as you mentioned earlier, it's there's the same death experience in many ways, like the way people can die can be the same, or the people you lose. You lose a father, brother, this, that and the other but every story is so unique. I could talk to a million people who lost their father and every story is going to be different because it's such a different experience for everyone. And with that is the beauty, because you could find similarities, you could find things you relate to, and you could also find things that you never thought of. You could find things that don't relate to you. But even in the non-relating aspects of a conversation, it gets you thinking. It gets you exploring a little deeper about your own experience, and I think that's a big part of it is is is facing it, is going through it, and facing it was one thing that I did growing up.
Speaker 2:I was doing something called exposure therapy. I didn't even know what the hell that was until eight months ago. I was constantly watching the footage over and over again, like a lunatic. I thought something was wrong with me, like why am I keep watching? I keep watching it, oh, every angle. Try to find new footage, watch that day over and over again, whatever I could find. I just kept watching it and part of me was trying to get emotions out. I wanted to cry. I wanted to make myself cry.
Speaker 2:Maybe I wasn't crying enough and I put myself there and I think there could have been a thin line of doing it too much, but I feel like I accidentally put myself in a place which was exposure therapy, of putting myself where the trauma was, facing it, seeing it for what it was and giving my own meaning to it. And I think there's some power to jumping into the fire, if you're not already just in the fire, without asking, inherently with grief. But there's something about facing it and whatever way that means. It could be this way, it could be that way, but there is a power to facing it but not staying there. There could be a limit to that, but at the same time, facing it at some point opens doors for the rest of your life yeah, do you think there's all?
Speaker 1:maybe also there's a. You get a numbing effect in a way if you keep watching the same thing. Is that? Maybe is that part of it too, where you're just kind of you're so. You've seen it so many times that maybe it doesn't that way. When you're in a bar somewhere or you're out somewhere and you see the footage, it doesn't affect you the same way as it used to yeah, I, I mean I'm pretty sure that happens with doctors constantly when they constantly deal with patients that are dying.
Speaker 2:It's a numbing effect to it. So I don't know. That's something that whoever's listening has got to check in with themselves and determine what that is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm sure there's a desensitization to it. Whether that's healthy or not, I don't know, but in my case it was doing it to feelings out there and to try to understand it. I think, in particular my case it was just so absurd like nine, 11 for so many people in general, as it's so absurd in the way that it went down and what it is, even to date, I'm like, does it feels like a movie? It doesn't feel like something like that can even happen. But then when some that taught me a lesson early too is the fact that not only my dad died at 12, it's the way that he died I was like, oh, this happens. As crazy as this is, someone can even write this in hollywood this happens. And it just made me expect the unexpected and I never took it as a victim mentality. I never really asked at least I don't recollect asking why me, how could this happen? It's never that question. It's like, oh no, this happens. And then now what and now what. That's just really how I've seen it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was definitely. You know how many 3,200 people, or there's only 3,200 people that experienced, I think, that day. I think that's how many people passed that day. I'm not sure exactly the number, but I know it was in that realm. But that was the most unique way of death really was was nine, 11.
Speaker 2:Yeah, One of them. I mean, you know a lot has happened in history, but that was definitely a. It's definitely a staple, if you will.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Unbelievable. Hopefully never again. Yeah, we never again. That's that's what I know why they say that yeah. So the other thing too is is have you interviewed or talked to anybody else that had a loved one or family member in in the towers or in 9-11, in the 9-11 situation?
Speaker 2:not on the podcast. I've connected a bunch of people. I'm kind of in a little lagging right now but I was planning on getting a few episodes with people in my similar situation or knew someone personally with 9-11. So I haven't anyone on the episode, uh, just people that have been have been related to it. I've had brian clark on, who survived that day. I have an episode that's dropping in a couple weeks with michael hinkson, who survived that day too and he's blind.
Speaker 2:Uh, neil degrasse tyson was an interesting one so again it wasn't personal, but he was there downtown when it happened, so he got a different look at him for his experience being there. So a lot of these conversations again, it's kind of related to my experience of trying to find new footage and see it in a different way, where it was a new exploratory way of me getting different angles from that day and other vantage points and opened up different feelings in my in my way that I didn't think I would feel so far, so far down the road. So I yeah no, I haven't spoken to anyone on the show, but I've definitely spoken to people off the record about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, very, very interesting. I had some questions about just some of the people that come on, like the near death experience. I mean, you hear about this stuff uh very often. You know you'll hear different stories and I've always kind of heard kind of a commonality between those stories. Have you had people on like that and I think you have cause.
Speaker 2:I kind of breezed through some of your videos and do you find it's that common type story that you hear? There's commonalities and a lot of differences, and people focus on the differences that tend to not believe it, from what I'm gathering. I'm not speaking in such a general term to assume what everyone feels, but yeah, there's definitely consistencies and I'll tap into why. I think the differences make sense to me at the same time. First and foremost, the main consistency to me, to say it in layman's terms, like it's all going to be good, like based on all these experiences, whether you believe them or not. I personally believe them, even though there's some swindlers in every aspect of life, of course, but just inherently, with near death experiences, I believe them and the commonality is that it's all good.
Speaker 2:And on the other side, if you will, is just incomprehensibly loving and euphoria and a feeling that I think, just in these bodies, we just won't be able to comprehend, at least to date.
Speaker 2:So, ultimately, everything is going to be good and they're all talking about some overwhelming feeling of love. It's like this, like the creator, god, whatever you want to call it. Source is this feeling that that these people have never gotten on earth and it's something that they seem to chase, and also there seems to be a little bit of a hangover at some point when you come back. My mom had an experience which kind of relates to that. She had her own near-death experience. But I think outside of that, a lot of consistency I've also heard is choosing this life, which is a whole nother rabbit hole, a conversation whether to take it however you please, choosing a life that we're experiencing now which makes people angry in some capacity because they don't understand why they would choose some of the horrible things that happens on this earth. But it makes sense to me, if I try to come up with a theory that I resonate with.
Speaker 1:Let's go back. I'd like to talk about this Choosing your life Is that? Is that what you said?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I've heard over and over again. Interesting.
Speaker 1:Very interesting. Yeah, let's go man, you opened it up.
Speaker 2:I don't want this to be a four hour podcast.
Speaker 1:How much time you got.
Speaker 2:I'm good, I'm on your time right now. But, yeah, no, essentially, as as I'm saying it, they're saying we, we chose this path. Uh, maybe not in certain details, as certain things go, cause it's a blend of free will and the decisions we make, but from my understanding, it's choosing this life, like choosing the people in our life, like our parents, uh, choosing where we're born and certain events that'll happen. I'm just not sure how specific. I think it's more the way I think about it. If I'd understood it, it's almost like you get this weird ass iPad, ipad, uh, and wherever we are, and you're kind of swiping through and saying, oh, david's going to experience deep grief, he's going to have to do this, you're gonna have to do that. That sounds interesting, cause in my past life I never experienced that but it out. And so that is what they're saying we chose.
Speaker 2:And if say that's true, you can go in two ways. In my opinion, it's like why the hell would I choose this? I'm miserable right now. This is ridiculous, you idiot, or it's okay, I chose this. There must be a reason behind it. Right, take and pick. There's other options in regards to that, but long story short, it's potentially a life that we and a lot of people get pissed off again at. But why is there murder and starvation and all this stuff? And that's something that I don't know. We want to go down that path because it's hard to understand, but there just seems to be a bigger reason. There just seems to be something so much bigger than what we can comprehend unless you've had these experiences. That's what I'm gathering from it.
Speaker 2:But, real quick, the differences is what I think confuses people, because there's so many different segues in regards to these stories, like the, the beginning of the near death experience or whatever happens first, that buffer zone, if you will. That seems to be really different. You see different things, you experience different things, which is why a lot of people say well, if it, if this is true, how come they're not experiencing the same thing? And for what I've heard from I forget which guests and also my own calculations is you see, what you have to see that makes the most sense to you on earth. So it's almost like a a smooth transition to get to that other side.
Speaker 2:Maybe, after a certain point, yeah, you start seeing and experiencing the same things. But that buffer zone, that transitionary period, almost has to be different because it might be too shocking just to go to the other side. So, to my head, it's like a trailer to a movie where you're going to see things that make you feel comfortable, that relate to you, whether it's sports, animals, this that colors, people that you love. It's just a transitionary period and, from my understanding, that might be why it's so different for everyone. Through that tunnel, if you will, in order to kind of give us a smooth transition to whatever's coming next. Well, it could be interpretation, for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think maybe it's a lot of that too. I have no idea.
Speaker 1:No, but, but you bring up good, good, uh, possibilities, good, um, things that could, could be happening.
Speaker 1:And I think a lot of times interpretation it also has to do with you know, your brain is still at that point, your spirit is functioning in that height moment and it's all about what, how you see it.
Speaker 1:You know, and the one thing that I've heard a couple of times is recently I've heard a lot of this when people is that they see family members that are there to greet them, to kind of take them, you know, over and I've had being in real estate, I've dealt with a good amount of estates and trusts and things like that, and unfortunately, sometimes I'm meeting with the, the families, after somebody had just passed and we'll talk about those last moments and a lot of times they'll actually like the people are just about ready to to check out. They'll kind of sit up and they'll be like, oh my God, uncle Johnny's right behind you, you know, and Uncle Johnny's been gone forever and for a long time, and it's like they're there, like they're looking at them in their eyes, you know. So those are the things you hear too that are really, really interesting. So do you hear those stories about. You know persons above them, or there's bright lights or there's somebody in the room with them, those kinds of things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all the time. I mean again my, we can. Depending on the time of the show, I can tap into what my mom experienced, because that was the most personal experience that I've had. That I knew wasn't someone batshit crazy telling me something, it was the hospice nurses. So that's something that is just in the curriculum. That's something that constantly happens with hospice nurses.
Speaker 2:They vision happens with hospice nurses is they vision the client's vision and then they experience seeing deceased loved ones and, as from my understanding and what I've heard from very popular nurses that have had in the show, they're talking about how, when they have these deathbed visions, it's usually a sign that they're about to they might be dying soon. Whether it's weeks or days, I don't know, but it's something that happens. That they don't have a hard understanding and they completely rule out lack of oxygen, morphine they're not saying it's any of that. Sure, other situations I can cause that perhaps, I'm sure, but all these potential variables that could cause that seem to be ruled out and they constantly see this and they're ready to handle it because they're expected to see it. And so when you start seeing it in hospitals or hospice nurses that are there on the forefront and they're having these experiences that are most of the time very peaceful and giving them a smooth transition out.
Speaker 2:It's hard to argue and yeah, I mean I don't know when it happened so many times it's always deceased loved ones. It's not a hallucination of someone who's already alive. It's always deceased loved ones. So at some point, whether it's going to survive in the court of law or not, it's got to raise questions. Okay, what are we missing here? Or maybe you could just accept it as is. Like this happens and it's up to you to believe what's what, but this happens all the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which makes you feel comfortable, though, like you said, these stories like that make you feel comfortable, in that the fact that every death is just so unknown, there's nobody that can just say this is exactly what happens, this is exactly how it's going to go, and that's pretty wild. Also, if you're looking and you're talking to different nurses and hospice people anybody that does hospice, god bless them. Seriously, I don't understand how you can do that. I could never do it myself, but they're special people. But if they're all telling the same stories from all over the world, it's not like there's a convention where they get together and say, well, this is what we're going to say, we're going to say this, and then that way we're all on the same page. You know what I mean. So it's, it's happening. These things are. These are real. We don't know why, but they're real.
Speaker 2:And that's the same time it was everyone just getting together just making this shit up, and there's plenty of stories that have documented evidence of the experiences happening. So at some point, when you hear so many stories and a lot of people that dismiss it, I'm like I don't even know if you're really just looking into it a little bit just to explore the idea again. Say, maybe, and there's just too much, and I've had too many people on my show explaining things. I've read too much, watched too many videos and have personal experiences that just make me like I keep like a small percentage open.
Speaker 2:I'm very like 99 this, but I don't know yeah so at the same time, I've just heard too much that it's like.
Speaker 1:This seems very possible yeah, and you're talking to all people that have been around it. So what? So? What have you? What's the biggest thing that you've learned through this? Like, as a host of of dead talk talks, yeah, um, what have you learned? Like, is there, is there something you're like? Wow, this just blows my mind, cause I'd never really realized this, or I didn't realize this.
Speaker 2:I mean it's opened my mind in regards to just contemplation with the afterlife and what happens. That was a big one in regards to just opening doors or things I didn't even know were even theories or experiences that happened. I didn't get into near death experience until I started talking about on the show. I didn't really know much about it, but this might sound general, but these conversations about death are essentially conversations about life. So people ask me a lot of time oh, this must be so healthy for you, for your own grief. I'm like, yeah, it's helped me for sure. But I'm also 20 plus years down the line, so I've gone through a lot. But at the same time I've realized these experiences about grief and what you go through with death and whatnot. It applies, it's so applicable, to everything we go through in life. So it's really helped me with just my compassion with other people, because I've heard so many stories about what they've gone through and on paper it always seems so much worse than what I've gone through and see these stories of healing and perseverance. So it just made me. It made me relax and all these stories just made me relax because you're not alone. The hardest thing you've ever gone through is the hardest thing you've ever gone through, because you're not alone. The hardest thing you've ever gone through is the hardest thing you've ever gone through. But at the same time, witnessing these stories of perseverance and healing and different perspectives just make me carry myself through life in a totally different way.
Speaker 2:I take things less seriously now, but not in a desensitized way. It's just thinking of the possibility that we continue on. I feel very confident about that. It just makes me take a breath, Like you know what it's, it's going to be okay. I don't care what the hell happens to me. It could be the worst thing on the world. In my head I'm like, well, it's going to end at some point. I'm going to die. So it's, I end at some point. It's not going to be perpetual no-transcript going through really and not to just not to take it down. It means nothing because I know I'm now thinking about what they've gone through, without knowing what they've gone through, and it's just trying to see my lens of light through the lens of others, and this made me more patient. It's made me more compassionate and a little slower to get frustrated with other people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's interesting, very cool. Very cool. What do you find, and we're going to wrap this up soon. Very cool, what do you find and we're going to wrap this up soon. But what do you find to be? Do you think that people have a harder time with quick death, unknown or slower death, die slower, dying over time?
Speaker 2:I don't know, you gotta ask the peanut gallery, but for my conversations it's. Uh, they both suck yeah, they both suck they both suck.
Speaker 2:But at the same time it's just so different because you know you you're watching someone die, which you're starting, you're seeing them. You're seeing them in a way that isn't representable of who they've been their entire life, because you're seeing them suffer. But also you have a chance to have conversations that maybe you wouldn't have had. When someone dies in a quick way, like my dad or plenty of other people to me, I think think the pull the bandaid off might be. If I had to pick between shit and a shit croissant, I'd probably take the quick one. But at the same time, you know, then you're not going to have an opportunity to maybe say things you wanted to say. But then to me my mentality is that's what, that notion that people can just disappear in a second. It's like, okay, I got to say what I got to say now, I got to do what I got to do now. Disappear in a second. It's like, okay, I gotta say what I gotta say now, I gotta do what I gotta do now, not in a rushed way, but taking an opportunity of what's in my life right now. So if someone does get taken away in a quick, abrupt manner, then you're not holding on to anything and then you're not going to have that that dangerous regret feeling.
Speaker 2:Even though I think it's, I try to, I don't really hang on to the word regret, because you can only make the best decisions you can in the moment. Yeah, you can be like, oh, I should have done this, should have done that, I should have spent more time. Well, that's part of the process, it's part of figuring this shit out. It's just you can't. It's like hindsight is 20-20 for a reason. It's much easier looking back then, but watching someone die is just a terrible thing. But I've also seen so many people that have made the most of those situations. Granted, they wish they did it earlier, but they're able to have a little bit more closure because now they know their time is limited, so it sucks either way.
Speaker 1:I think people that if you're the one not dying, you're the one observing. I think people that go to bed at night without any regrets can go to sleep at night and if something did happen, you would feel okay, I was whole with that, I was good with that.
Speaker 2:I think a lot of times, people that have regrets and somebody dies suddenly, it can really hurt them for a very, very long time yeah, and it's also again that perspective, that decision is that when you inevitably do something that you wish you did, okay, that's gone, that gone, that moment's gone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly Right.
Speaker 2:As cold as that is. That's just that's. I don't know what to tell you. That's what it is. So now it goes back to that. Okay, now what? What do I do with that? How can I, how can I do it differently next time? Now you know, yeah.
Speaker 1:So, again.
Speaker 2:You got to get punched in the face before you. Someone swings at you next and you can just be more prepared.
Speaker 1:I agree with you a hundred percent. So is there anything else that you wanted to talk about before we wrap this up? Is there anything that you were like? Man, when I get on the show or when I talk about this stuff, I want to make sure I get this point across. Is there anything at all?
Speaker 2:Uh, I mean, that's not really death related, but it was funny. I was thinking about it in regards to how you do real estate, and that's my background as well. I was.
Speaker 2:I forgot what came up the other day. I was like, oh, you know what I've done in real estate for the last 10, 12 years or whatnot. Actually, I pull a lot of what I did growing this show. So this has nothing to do with any philosophical explanation of what you might have expected, but I told you about in relation to your real estate background. A lot of my groundwork was knocking on doors, picking up the phone and just a hard ground hustle and I feel like in regards to growing this show, which has been a better face, the same it's kind of the same aspect of getting guests and reaching out to people.
Speaker 2:I get turned down all the time, especially in the early years, but that was my entire thing with real estate. Was I constantly like? 99% of the time people told me no and I got rejected, and I think that was just such a lesson with anything in life in regards to what goes like our plans, that we have and things don't work out and people tell you no or things are this, that and the other. It's like just be ready for a no, be ready for things not going your way and when things don't go your way, other doors open up and it's like having that faith aspect. I know people say hope can be dangerous. Well, I don't. Just you can have a little bit of hope and some faith aspect of that things even though when they don't go the way you expect something else is going to open up.
Speaker 1:They say, rejection is God's protection.
Speaker 2:Who says that you like that. That's a good one.
Speaker 1:I don't know who told me that one at one point, but I think it's really good. And a light note. I have a question for you, david. Besides the conventional ways to dispose of one's body once one is dead, what would be the funniest or most interesting way to dispose of a body besides the two, uh, conventional ones? What would you?
Speaker 2:say, I mean I can, I can get weird and say funniest, but off the rip. The only, uh, the only one that stands out to me the most, that is, I think, is the wildest one that I'm fat, I'm going to be digging into more. Are y'all familiar with the tibetan sky ritual, the? What Are you?
Speaker 1:all familiar with the Tibetan sky ritual, the what? The Tibetan sky ritual, no, sky burial no. What is that?
Speaker 2:It's in Tibet and they apparently chop up the body, go to this mountain peak with monks and whatnot and they feed the body to the vultures.
Speaker 1:Wow, wow, and is that?
Speaker 2:considered to be like they're feeding the body back to the earth, I guess in some capacity, because they eat it, they excrete it, yada, yada, and it's just some wildness that I'm not knowledgeable to speak on beyond that. But yeah, they feed the body to these birds, I suppose.
Speaker 1:Man, I always thought about, you know, just putting my body in like in a cannon, like I shoot it like a Steve-O jackass and everything.
Speaker 2:I don't know what the Guatemalans do, but you know I mean this in the nicest way possible, but now I hope you die before me.
Speaker 1:So you can come check it out. Hey, I'll tell you what David. I'll let you know when it is. If he does and you can come out, we'll fly you out and you can check it out. Put me on the newsletter I'm going to parachute in my, in my feet put a parachute on my feet.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh. No, that's, that's amazing. Well, thanks so much for coming on the show. The best thing, I think, is for people to check you out It'd be Instagram, I think, right now, and also you have your own website too, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. If you just Google Dead Talks two words, it should pop up.
Speaker 1:Whatever platform you're most comfortable with. If you type in Dead Talks, it comes up right away. There's not many shows that are close to that, but that's awesome. And then also for instagram, it's dead talk podcast. So it's just instagramcom backslash dead talks podcast. So thanks for coming on, man. I appreciate it and, uh, keep doing what you're doing. Hopefully we'll have you back on again sometime. I know you're looking into some other things to have on your show, other guests, and we'd love to hear about that. So, yeah, that's about it. Thanks a lot, lot. Appreciate it, brother. All right, hugo. Yes, what do you think? I think it is just time for some reflection.
Speaker 1:Yeah, time for some reflection is right. So live your life. Live your life. Get out there and do what you want to do. Don't have any regrets. That's pretty much what I got out of that. And check out Dead Talks no-transcript.
