The Shot That Changed Everything with Kris Jenkins

One shot can freeze time and then speed your whole life up. Kris Jenkins, the Villanova guard who buried the legendary 4.7-second buzzer beater to win the 2016 national championship, joins us for a real, behind-the-scenes breakdown of what that moment felt like and why it wasn’t luck. We talk about the game’s momentum swings, the pressure of the last possession, and the instant he knew the ball was going in because the “work was already done.”

From there, we zoom out to the part people forget: what happens after the highlight goes viral. Kris shares how quickly the fame hit, what it’s like waking up to major media attention, and how he kept his friendships and mindset steady when the world suddenly wanted photos and autographs. We also get into a wild layer of the story, facing his brother on the opposite side of the championship game, and how that changes the emotional weight of winning and losing.

Kris also brings his perspective into today’s college sports reality, including NIL (Name, Image, Likeness). We unpack why athletes deserve to be paid, why the system can still go too far without guardrails, and why financial literacy and long-term thinking matter when money shows up early. He shares how he now uses these lessons in public speaking for athletes and organizations, focusing on leadership, dominant teams, finding your role, and meeting your moment. If you’ve ever wondered what clutch really looks like, hit play, then subscribe, share this with a friend, and leave a review with your biggest takeaway.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:29

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Oh, they are so embarrassed.

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SPEAKER_01 1:12

All right. This is gonna be a little different. Hugo, are you ready? Yeah. This is different. You know, this is one of those we just I I got in touch with Hugo yesterday, and I said, We just got a call from a guy that's been on the show before. His name is Scott Teller, and he said, I have this guy flying in from out of town. You you have to know who he is. His name's Chris Jenkins, right? And I go, No, I said, Scott, you know, you do remember I'm not so good at sports, right? Or knowing anything about sports. And he goes, Yeah, that's right, I did. And he's like, I can't believe it. He was in Phillanova, he had the last shot, it was 4.7 seconds. He went through this whole thing. And I was like, I'm still not, it's not coming up in my mind. It's not happening. So I look him up, and it turns out this guy that we have in the studio today is unbelievable. He had a shot that was that just was at 4.7 seconds in the game, and it was Ty, and he hit this shot and it went through the hoop, and they won the game. Now, this is back in 2016, actually April 4th, 2016. We have him here in the studio, thanks to Scott Teller, and his name is Chris Jenkins, and he's probably one of the tallest people we've had in the studio. What's up, man? How are you doing?

SPEAKER_05 2:24

I'm doing pretty good, man. Thanks for having me out here with my guy Scott.

Reliving The 4.7-Second Shot

SPEAKER_01 2:27

Yeah, it it's it's incredible. Like, I'm watching the videos of this after I found out about it. And everybody else I talked to was like, yeah, you didn't know who Chris Jenkins is, you know who Chris Jenkins is. So I felt like kind of an idiot. So so this is good, I think, for somebody like me to talk to you because this way I I have no idea what happened, but now I do. And you know what was amazing? I looked up your name and I saw at least 20 different ways that you could see the shot, that people were commenting on it, people crying when you hit it, like coaches that were hugging, and you know, all the different things that I saw. And it all happened in that 4.7 second period. Tell me about that. I mean, tell me what that moment was like.

SPEAKER_05 3:12

Yeah, man. It was um, well, first and foremost, just happy that we won. Yeah. That's really what you play for.

SPEAKER_01 3:19

Did you think you were gonna win?

SPEAKER_05 3:21

I mean, of course. Of course. We did we didn't think that we would win at the buzzer. Right, right. You know, we felt good about our game plan, we felt good about our team compared to their team and just our team on that run. So I just felt like we was in a good spot. So did you know that? Did you ever think that this was gonna be a defining moment in your life? You know the national championship in college is a defining moment in your life. Absolutely, but you just never know that it's gonna come down to you know the last play.

SPEAKER_04 3:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 3:49

So it would have been nice for us to win by 10, 15 plus, but you know, we'll take a game winner, walk off, too.

SPEAKER_01 3:54

I I think the way basketball history is the greatest shot in college basketball history. It is like everything that I saw about it online was like, this is like it. Yeah, this was it. I mean, there wasn't it that this shot like was is his historical, period. And it it just happened to be coming from your hands.

SPEAKER_05 4:14

Yeah, no, I mean, like I said, we have blue, like if you kind of get a chance to go back and watch the game, and the game was kind of up and down. They went on a run to start the game, then we closed it going into halftime, then we were able to take a lead, have a comfortable lead, then we blew the lead, and that's kind of how they got back in the game, and then we were able to close it at the end. But yeah, it was just the last play. I like I said, I felt like we would have been cool winning by much more, it would have been better on our nerves. But for me personally, yeah, it's definitely helped me out a lot.

SPEAKER_01 4:42

Yeah, your name is definitely in the sports hall of fame somewhere uh somewhere. I mean, it it definitely is. It was just cool to see, and and I'm so glad that Scott mentioned your name and mentioned about you coming here. And I'm glad that you know, Hugo, and we all kind of made made it happen to get you in here before the championship game, which is coming up on April 6th, which is coming up quick. And it's kind of just it was appropriate. It was the right time to do this. And I I thank you, Scott, for thinking of me uh of getting us getting him in here.

SPEAKER_03 5:11

But it's we had a lot of fun last time I was here.

SPEAKER_01 5:14

Yeah, we had a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_03 5:15

I had a have a good reason to come back. That's cool. That's cool.

SPEAKER_01 5:18

Well, hopefully you'll come back more with friends. We like when you come back with friends. So let's dig in this mouth. So here's the other thing you think about it at a time at a moment like that. It what if the ball didn't go in? You know what I'm saying? Like, you ever think of that? Like, what would be the where would where would your life go? What would be the difference, you know, if it didn't go in?

SPEAKER_05 5:36

Yeah, I mean, you kind of never think about that because you know, we would have had overtime had I not made it. So hopefully, in our minds, we would have won in overtime and still won the game.

SPEAKER_01 5:43

Either way, right?

SPEAKER_05 5:44

I probably would have, you know, knowing Philadelphia immediately, I probably would have took a little bit of heat for missing.

SPEAKER_01 5:48

Yeah, right, right. But if we were cars overturned and stuff, things burning in the streets.

SPEAKER_05 5:53

But if we would have won the game in overtime, I felt like it wouldn't have been as bad as obviously if we would have lost.

SPEAKER_01 6:00

So the thing was wild too. I know that they right away there was a little question on did it make it in or did you did that did the ball leave your hands in time? Because once it leaves your hands, it doesn't matter how long it takes to get there, right? Right. So, like seven days later, if it goes in, it's fine, right?

SPEAKER_05 6:17

Right. As long as it goes off before that red buzzer, and it kind of just felt like a storybook ending. I made it, got it off in time, and then the confetti, all everything kind of dropped.

SPEAKER_01 6:27

Well, the confetti guy, there was something I saw too. The confetti guy should have gotten an award, they said, because it was like it was like on, man. It was like right on cue. He was sitting there with a button. He's just sitting there raiding.

SPEAKER_05 6:39

He hasn't had a better push since then. I feel you guys.

Fame After The Confetti Falls

SPEAKER_01 6:42

It's just so true. He's like the most famous confetti guy in the world. Oh my God, I love it. That's funny. So, yeah, so so what happens after that? Like, you know, that's a big, that's a big high, you know, huge high. And and what what what happened after that? You know, d what did you go on to do? Where did you go from there?

SPEAKER_03 7:00

It's gotta be the biggest party of all time, right?

SPEAKER_05 7:03

Oh man, no question. I mean, we had the parade and all that stuff, obviously. But then I come back for my senior year. Yeah. And we have a great year that year as well. Unbelievable. 32 and 5, I think we finished the season. Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_01 7:14

So, yeah, it's another great, great, great year.

SPEAKER_05 7:16

Another great year. And then, you know, I did some NBA G League stuff, played overseas, played a couple of years. I saw that professionally. Yeah. So, you know, I had a great time, man. I had a great run. I would have never thought my basketball career journey would have been what it was. Yeah. And I would have made the the grounds that I did, but I mean, that's what hard work and size.

SPEAKER_01 7:33

Was your dream NBA? I mean, it was that what you I mean, I feel like that's everyone's dream. Yeah, right. I mean, I didn't think I'm just gonna say, wouldn't it be was never mine, just so you know. Scott, I think you were gonna go to the MBA, weren't you? I I was until I stood up.

SPEAKER_04 7:46

Yeah, that's funny.

SPEAKER_01 7:47

They're like, stand up. He's like, I am. I am standing. They're like, are you sure you're not on your knees? No, I'm standing. You know, my my lack of height and my my shooting talent.

SPEAKER_03 7:57

But that's what got you Polly. I could act like it got you Polly. I could act like a basketball player. That's right.

SPEAKER_05 8:02

That's what I'm saying, though. You get the little acting skills. You could have been a Pat Bev Jr. out there.

SPEAKER_03 8:06

You write the script.

SPEAKER_01 8:07

I'll act. Oh my gosh, I love it. But no, yeah, so so I mean, obviously that didn't happen, but you did do some professional ball.

SPEAKER_05 8:15

I mean, you definitely were out there. You did a lot. No, yeah. I played in Europe, I was in Germany, you know, I was able to do uh the DR Venezuela. I was I I've played basketball kind of all over in a way. That's cool. There's no complaints. Obviously, the NBA is the goal, but you know, you're not a failure if you don't get that. There's other avenues.

Brother Versus Brother For A Title

SPEAKER_01 8:32

I was just gonna say there's somebody has a different, different life for you. You know what I'm saying? And I think whatever you're doing now, which we'll get into then too, was is what you're supposed to be doing. I always feel where you are is where you're supposed to be. You can't look back and go, oh, if I would have, or I could have, or I should have, or maybe I wouldn't have done that. You know, it's the same kind of thing, you know. I I think you just it's it's cool. It's actually great. You wouldn't be on the show if you would have if you would have done you know something different. You know, come on. That's it has to be worth the thing. Scott, we would have made it happen. I think so too. I think so too. So let's talk about two. Something that Scott didn't even know, which I think is kind of funny, that I knew something about sports after researching for five minutes that you didn't know was that your brother was in that same game and obviously didn't win.

SPEAKER_05 9:22

I mean, how did that go over? Yeah, so when I was about 10 or 11, I moved from South Carolina to Maryland. Yeah. My guardian family was the Britt family, and you know, Nate and I have been living together since, like I said, 10 or 11. Wow. So he goes on to we go through high school, middle school, high school, we do all that stuff, and then he goes on to UNC Chapel Hill, and then I go to Villanova, and then our junior year, we ended up meeting each other in the national championship. Unbelievable. Obviously, I'm here. What are the odds? Yeah, we won, though. You know what I mean? I gotta put that in there. Obviously, I'm definitely happy that we won.

SPEAKER_01 9:55

That's amazing. But then they came back and won it the next year. Yes, I saw that too. Yeah, I saw that too. It was interesting, too. There was one of the videos, I tell you, I watched a lot of videos. One of the videos had, and this I shouldn't laugh, because it's your brother's expression on his face after you hit the ball in. It like zeroes in on his face, like, oh, that didn't look good.

SPEAKER_05 10:23

Yeah, no, I mean, because he kind of one of the few people that just know, like, you know, get the ball in a certain area, certain spot. It's like, man, he probably gonna make that. So he probably knew before anybody kind of.

SPEAKER_01 10:34

Yeah, it's wild. So who did you meet after that? What what was the most what doors did that open, or who did you meet, or what was like, holy crap, this is amazing? Or or also with that, when did it hit you that you were all over the news and that everybody now knew who Chris Jenkins was?

SPEAKER_05 10:52

I think I I it probably hit me pretty fast. Yeah. Um, I think the next morning, you know, because obviously we have a good time, we party, you know, enjoy ourselves afterwards. Absolutely. So I think off of no sleep, I think the first interview I ever did as a national champion was Good Morning America. Wow, that's too that's huge. That's a good one. That's the biggest. It's one of that's yeah, that's pretty much one of the biggest. So when I when I had that interview when when it wasn't Coach Wright and it was me, that's when I kind of knew, like, all right, this could be a little different.

SPEAKER_01 11:21

Wow, wow, wow. Incredible. And and uh did it change your friends? Did it change the people you knew? Did they treat you differently? Did any of that happen at those moments?

SPEAKER_05 11:32

I mean, obviously you get people that come up and take pictures and want autographs and stuff, but you mean like Susan?

SPEAKER_01 11:40

Just kidding, Susan, just kidding. We love Susan. Nah, we do love Susan.

SPEAKER_05 11:44

She held it down. Always do. Yeah. But I think just for the most part, nah, man. I I keep the same. I got the same group of friends I had since high school. Fab, you know, everything's pretty much the same. I think it just showed me more of who I was, as opposed to like kind of just changing me or changing a lot of stuff around me. Yeah. Because I never really did anything crazy to begin with. So just basketball, even though it's a big thing. Yeah, you seem like a pretty chill guy.

SPEAKER_01 12:07

I spent a lot of time relaxed, man. Yeah, like just walking in for the just meeting you upstairs. You're very chill, very laid back. It seems like you I could talk to you anywhere. Like I could like roll up somewhere at a bar or something like that and just start talking.

SPEAKER_03 12:21

That's why we get along.

SPEAKER_05 12:22

So same with you and I've got bonding over Eagles football, we would have known that you'd be able to do that. Is that what happened? Great friends that come from that.

SPEAKER_01 12:30

That's cool. Well, Scott's good at that. He's good at he's good with the sports, and also he's just he's easy to talk to, also. You know, he's like an open book as soon as you meet him, and it's that's really cool. Yeah, that's very cool.

SPEAKER_05 12:41

We have a lot of fun, man. We kick it, we talk, we have a lot of good times, man. Good, good, good.

SPEAKER_01 12:45

That's awesome. I'm glad you're talking about it.

SPEAKER_03 12:47

I told you, keep your circle small, oh, yeah, legendary.

SPEAKER_01 12:50

Yeah, absolutely. This is what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_03 12:51

So true. So true.

Warmups And Finding The Zone

SPEAKER_01 12:52

He's the guy. Yeah, I have part of that in the book I'm writing. Uh that that's that's gonna come out at the end of the year. Yeah, it's a part of that's in there. Yeah, so let's go into some other stuff here. Oh, I asked my son this morning if there was a question. I I just for some reason Carson's into basketball. And he I said, buddy, what would you ask Chris Jenkins? What would be your question you would ask him? He's 10 years old. And he said, I don't know. And he goes, I don't think anything. Then he's watching uh a show this morning and he goes, you know what? He goes, Dad, ask him what does he do to warm up for a game?

SPEAKER_05 13:21

That's a good question.

SPEAKER_01 13:22

It is a good question, right? And I think it's just coming from curiosity from him, like because he plays basketball and he loves basketball. He he just like what you what do you do to warm up?

SPEAKER_05 13:30

I mean, outside of like team stuff, you know, yeah. Watch film or scout talk about what you guys are gonna do. I think honestly, for the most part, man, I kind of just did whatever I wanted to do. Stretching, maybe if I wanted to lay on the floor, yeah, you know what I'm saying? If I wanted to put this sock on over to this one, like I kind of literally, whatever I was feeling in that moment, did whatever I wanted to do. That's cool. That pretty much just got me ready to play.

SPEAKER_03 13:54

There you go. Whatever you did right before you made that shot, do that every day.

SPEAKER_01 13:59

I was gonna say, that worked. That definitely, if you could write that down for my son, that would that really worked.

SPEAKER_03 14:04

Yeah, whatever you ate that day, everything.

unknown 14:07

Everything.

SPEAKER_01 14:09

Was it weaties?

SPEAKER_05 14:10

I mean, what was it? No, but I'm saying I think things like that were able to happen just because I had a clear mind. Like nothing was clouding me. I wasn't too extremely focused on anything. Uh the preparation was already put in. It was just go time to go perform. So I was relaxed and just ready to go, just in the moment. So yeah, nothing too extra, just ready to go.

SPEAKER_03 14:26

Because you rehearse, I mean, go ahead, go ahead. Yes, Chris. Actually, on the ride over here, I said, I said, bro, when that ball left your hand, did you know it was going in? Good question. Yeah, good point. He said, Of course I did.

SPEAKER_01 14:39

Absolutely. You did, you you knew it. I just got chills.

SPEAKER_05 14:41

That was weird. That's you, you felt that. Yeah, because you know when you when you wrap something out and you just you just know how your body feels. You know, you've been doing this since you were a kid. You know, I've been shooting basketball since I was shooting with my mom in the driveway. Wow. So it being on the national championship stage, that was the only thing that changed. Just just where we were doing it.

SPEAKER_01 15:01

Well, you know, and it's a good point. It's a good point you brought that up, Scott. And it's like anything in life. Once it left your hands, nothing's affecting it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Think about that. So the muscle memory that you have of knowing that when I put all of this together, this is how it feels. I know golfers do it all the time. They'll be like, I felt that. That that that that that that went well because of the way they hit it, the sound of the ball, yeah, all of that. So the muscle memory all was all going right when you did it, and you knew when it left your hands, man, that was a that all that all came together. Because nothing's changing in the air. Where it's going is going is where it's going.

SPEAKER_03 15:40

My other question is like, you ever get in a zone? Yeah. Like I'm sure you had to be in the zone, right? I want to know, did you see the crowd out there, or was it just you and the rim and the ball?

SPEAKER_05 15:50

No, that's a great question. I never I've never gotten that question before. I mean, I'll leave if you want me to. But you know, obviously you you see and you notice everything that's going on, yeah. You know, because I I take I took the ball out, so I kind of saw the whole play develop. Yeah, you know, from the start to the finish. Um, so I wouldn't necessarily say that you kind of just zone everybody out and it's just you the ball in the rim, but you're focused on your target and the task at hand, but you can kind of hear and still see everything going on as it's unfolding, but you've practiced and put the work in that is kind of just like second nature.

SPEAKER_01 16:25

Yeah, and that's what I think we forget, Scott. It's like when we're watching a game or anything, golf, whether it's game, golf, singing, you know, doing any kind of performance or entertainment, whatever you're doing, there all the work that's put in before that is where it comes from. And I mean, there's and then that's what we don't see. Like we're sitting here going, you made that shot how many times in your life? I mean, probably couldn't count that many times.

SPEAKER_05 16:49

Right, thousands, thousands and thousands of times.

SPEAKER_03 16:51

Didn't you dude make the same shot in bat high school too?

SPEAKER_05 16:54

Same thing. Did you really? Not from the same exact spot, but I did, I I do have a couple. I do have a couple game winners. Like it wasn't just my first one.

SPEAKER_03 17:03

So Chris invited me when he made uh his high school hall of fame. That's awesome, dude. That's really cool. So I went. Congratulations. And uh yeah, it's pretty cool. That's awesome. And I had no idea that he did this in high school, too.

SPEAKER_05 17:16

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 17:17

So you found out that they were telling you the stories, right?

SPEAKER_01 17:20

You're like, what are you holding out on me? You're not telling me the whole story?

SPEAKER_05 17:22

Yeah. That's cool. Yeah, that's really cool. My high school career. I I mean, I had a lot of a lot of good memories in high school. I grew up in the Maryland, D.C. area. So I went to Gonzaga College High School in Washington, D.C. Same high school as Kayla Williams, who didn't know. Wow, yes. I even I know that name actually.

From Pro Ball To Speaking

SPEAKER_01 17:38

It's amazing. It was pretty dope, man. It was pretty dope. That's that's neat. Yeah, it's it's it's the whole thing just blows my mind. And like I said, just to to to everything what's amazing is coming down to that this 4.7 seconds. And you our lives are so interesting that way. You know, and and and that's what's really cool about it. So let's go into where you are today. Yeah. You're you're for one, obviously you're watching the games. No question. Okay. Do you share? Are you still a Villanova fan? Yes, absolutely. I figured. I just had to ask. I mean, I know if something happened or they pissed you off, and now all of a sudden you're like, oh, screw them, I'm gonna root for somebody else.

SPEAKER_05 18:13

Nah, even if they did make me mad, it wouldn't be screw them. And even if it was, it wouldn't be for too long.

SPEAKER_01 18:18

Yeah, you're too he's too nice. You know, he's really nice. Yeah. See, I'd be like, screw them. No, I wouldn't do that. Yeah, so let's talk about you're you're doing some public speaking now. You're you're really kind of there's a whole new phase of your life. Yeah, you're living in Orlando. Okay, smart person, very smart person. Have you heard about our winter this year? I was keeping up. Yeah, it was it was not fun. Not fun at all. Believe me, Orlando was definitely the place to be. Although I heard you guys got cold though, too, down there. I did get a little cold. I was a little upset. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:45

Did you see the Iuanas fall off?

SPEAKER_01 18:48

Yeah, do they do they really?

SPEAKER_02 18:50

They do fall out, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:51

He's from Guatemala, so he probably knows. They actually will fall? Yeah, they will get cold and they cold. Oh my god, are they died? Are they dead?

SPEAKER_02 19:00

No, they just pass, they just pass out for a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 19:03

Wow. I actually think I did too. Oh, Scott, don't be up in the trees when it's cold, okay? That's what the moral of the story is. No, but let's talk about your public speaking. Like, what how did how did that come about? What are you doing? Tell us a little bit about that.

NIL Pay And Needed Guardrails

SPEAKER_05 19:15

So it's crazy. I um I had always did speaking at camps and you know, try to help the youth as much as I can, especially in this new NIL era. Yeah. Um there's a lot going on with that. I mean, I think the main goal is just to keep the kids focused on look, you know, you'll always make money if you're good. Yeah. So just make sure that you're good and then make the good decisions from there. Yeah. Yeah. Because you're getting a lot of money early. You know, you can still make mistakes. Absolutely. So I think the the biggest thing is just me letting them know and giving them game just from my point of view. You know, I feel like if anybody's the poster child for NIL, Yeah, I I heard.

SPEAKER_01 19:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 19:50

I read that too. So it's just like just sharing and giving them as much information and game as I can, just better the next generation because I had a lot of people that help me along my journey. So uh it's only right to just speak knowledge and give back.

SPEAKER_01 20:03

So so you're one that thinks NIL is good. You think it's a good thing?

SPEAKER_05 20:07

Yeah, I mean, obviously, players should have always been getting compensated for their talents. I agree with that. Anything other than that is obviously exploitation and being taken advantage of. Totally agree with that. But just like everything in America goes too far. There's a system that kind of needs to be in place now. Who controls and who got regulates the system is kind of why they're in the situation they're in now.

SPEAKER_01 20:27

Yeah. I and I didn't really pay attention to it until it got into the news a little bit more, watching it getting into politics and stuff like that. And I'm one that I don't like to control, I don't like to control from anything. I just don't. I feel that we can always figure it out on our own. But there are times where if it is going to affect the the quality of the schools or the quality of the students, or it's gonna hurt the students in some way, then you know, yeah, then I guess there has to be some kind of regulation. But I'm a non-regulation guy, I don't like regulation. But but you know about it more than I do. So I guess but the thing is too, if the school's making money and the kids not, that's a problem. That's a big problem.

SPEAKER_05 21:05

It's a huge problem. The school is making all the money and the coach who isn't playing.

SPEAKER_01 21:08

Oh, and the coaches are making a ton of money.

SPEAKER_05 21:09

Yeah, but there's the guys who are out there putting in all the hard labor and sacrificing kind of the most are getting. And the thing, too, the way I look at it with that, and I don't know, I know I know nothing about this.

SPEAKER_01 21:18

I know shit about it. I don't know anything about this at all. Really, I don't. I'm just talking just from what I've seen so far. But my thing is this, too. If you get injured before you get to the point where you're making big bucks in the NBA or NFL or whatever it is, okay, you're screwed. So why not make the money when while you're in good shape and you're doing well? Or if you just I might get hate mail for this.

SPEAKER_05 21:41

But what if but what but not even that? We don't even have to go the injury route. What if your peak value as a player is right then? Is in college.

SPEAKER_03 21:49

Well, what what is that?

SPEAKER_05 21:50

Like you mean like your 4.7 second shot? Yeah. I mean, it would have been.

SPEAKER_03 21:54

That's before that was before NIL.

SPEAKER_05 21:56

Yeah, that's what it is. It was before NIL. But they're still using it and all that stuff now.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

Dude, you're you're number one when you pick up, when you look up YouTube for amazing basketball shots, you're pretty much there.

SPEAKER_03 22:07

Imagine if he made that shot in today's game.

SPEAKER_01 22:09

Oh, yeah, it'd be unbelievable.

SPEAKER_03 22:10

Yeah, I mean, just the m just the financial part of it.

SPEAKER_05 22:12

Oh, yeah, I know. It'd be it'd be incredible. I mean, it's still gonna be life changing. We're working on it, we're gonna make it happen. I mean, obviously, there's loopholes and and a whole bunch of things that you gotta go through. But I mean, we're working on it and we're gonna make it whatever the situation.

SPEAKER_03 22:27

Yeah, yeah, and Villanova is a great school. Oh, yeah, great university. Absolutely. I mean, that's that's legendary.

SPEAKER_01 22:33

Yes, absolutely. And and and and it's not, it's I just think as a whole, you know, to me, I never understood it, and that's because I don't know anything about this stuff. But I I never said, okay, how is it that the school's making a shit ton of money and and the athlete is not? And then they're saying, well, it's because they're not professional yet. Well, okay, but like you said, the coach is getting paid a lot. So, like, you know, I mean, it just the whole thing doesn't make sense. They try to say, well, the coach is professional.

SPEAKER_05 22:56

So the coach is professional and he's coaching non-professional. Yeah. They're generating money that I mean, I don't know amateurs that generate billions of dollars. Like, I I just what kids do you know that generate that kind of money? Yeah, well, and that's the thing. They don't. And if they do, guess what? Yeah. They're getting paid. Yeah, absolutely. They work at Disney or something. So true.

SPEAKER_01 23:19

No, I think I think there's there's some there's gonna have to be some work on that. I mean, I really do.

SPEAKER_05 23:23

I think there's a house case that's settled, and I think that house case it includes my senior year of college, which would have been the biggest year for me. So we're like I said, we're gonna figure some things out.

SPEAKER_01 23:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:35

You know, and then kind of just move forward from there, take the punches as we as they go, yeah, and move in the right direction. But like I said, it's all about pushing forward and and helping the next generation because it's their time now, man. And it's a great time to be a uh uh athlete.

SPEAKER_01 23:49

Oh, that's cool. It's a great time to be an athlete. And why why do you say that? Because of the opportunities that are out there and because of uh things the way they're going.

SPEAKER_05 23:56

I mean Because I mean think about it, because you can not only can you still get a free education and a high quality education, you can get fully compensated for your talents on the court. And a lot of pressures are being left off of kids because they're like, look, now I don't have to make it to the NBA to live a decent life, not even just a decent life.

SPEAKER_04 24:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 24:16

I could do that now at 17 or 18, and I hadn't done it my whole life for some kids. And then there's some other kids that just like, well, I've been under my parents for so long, now I get to kind of make my own way.

SPEAKER_04 24:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 24:27

And how many times have we heard about athletes? They made it to this age and and now they're broke.

SPEAKER_04 24:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 24:32

Oh, many times. But now you can get these young men started early, get them to invest early, get them financial literacy early. Yeah. And then now that just further along benefits everybody. Yeah. Especially. So that's why I say it's a great time to be an athlete. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:46

No, I I agree. I agree with you. And it's it's interesting because it bringing it makes me think about there's a guy from uh Keller Williams who used to be on what on the HTTV or one of those shows, and his name's Jason Abs. And he was had a show that was basically about football players that just got signed, like their first year for the NFL. And he would basically be selling them houses. And he said one of the toughest parts was it was educating them on finances. They would go out and buy this multi-million dollar home. They'd blow everything they made, and then all of a sudden next year they get in there's an injury. Guess what? All their money's gone. So, you know, it there's a lot of it is has to do with that. It's educating them, okay. You might make a million dollars, but a million dollars is not gonna re that's gonna last you the rest of your life. No. Not in today's world.

SPEAKER_05 25:27

And a million dollars on paper isn't really a million dollars.

SPEAKER_01 25:29

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, when your agent gets a big thing. Well, there's this guy, there's this, and there's this guy called the IRS, this Uncle Sam that comes in and grabs a third.

SPEAKER_05 25:37

I was about to say, and in the percentage in the bracket that they're in now with the numbers that we've been seeing and hearing about, they're they're getting taxed in the top percent.

SPEAKER_01 25:45

Oh, yeah, it's probably 40 some percent. Yeah, yeah. So unclean.

SPEAKER_03 25:47

Same thing in the acting industry.

Keynote Lessons And Where To Connect

SPEAKER_01 25:50

Yeah, exactly. Amazing. So let's move on. Let's get back to the the positive public speaking kind of stuff. So you're doing like some motivational stuff, but public speaking. Is it just to athletes or is this to to just colleges as a whole?

SPEAKER_05 26:02

Or no, this is kind of just to everybody, uh business corporations, you know, CEOs, CFOs want me to come in and speak to their company about what it's like to be a part of a dominant team, finding your role, meeting your moment. Because that's what it's really all about. Life is about moments and just taking advantage of the ones that you're presenting.

SPEAKER_01 26:20

Love it, love it, love it. You'll have to, you'll have to get us more in more information on that. That would be good to know. Because I'll tell you, you know, we're always looking for keynote speakers and stuff like that for you know whether it's Keller Williams regional, Keller Williams, you know, local, or you know, on a higher level than that. But yeah, it's it's and I'll tell you, there's also a couple other places in Reading here that usually like to have sports people from sports teams come in and actually talk. Uh I think it was Opportunity House or was it Habitat?

SPEAKER_02 26:46

It was the GRCA.

SPEAKER_01 26:47

Oh, that's that what it was? Okay. GRCA. Yeah, the Greater Reading. Yeah, Greater Reading Chamber, right? Yeah, we could say Boys Club. And the Boys Club does it. That's it.

SPEAKER_05 26:54

Olivets does it. Yeah, I'm open to all of that. Like I said, it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 26:57

Olivets has had uh Eagles players here twice now. Yeah. Where they've come in and talked, and and and I'm sure you probably knew who it was or who when they were here.

SPEAKER_03 27:05

I I had I remember one year I had to kiss a kiss a pig. Oh yeah. Hey, only pig I'm kissing at is pork.

SPEAKER_05 27:12

Let me get some bacon. Other than that, no sir.

SPEAKER_03 27:16

They're actually not that bad to kiss. Yeah, no, it was a good time.

SPEAKER_01 27:20

Oh my goodness. That's cool. So, what else? Is there anything else you want to talk about before we wrap up? Scott, do you have anything you want to ask him or Hugo?

SPEAKER_02 27:27

Well, I just got I just want to comment on, you know, I I appreciate your talent, you know, shooting hoops, but your voice, man, you you got a unique voice, guys. I just hear from here, man. You can be Morgan Freeman now. Or coach Coach Carter or something.

SPEAKER_01 27:42

He's got a you have a very deep men's voice of hard knocks. Come on, man. We can set that up. I can see you doing like late night uh radio too, like, hey, you want to play this baby, you know?

SPEAKER_03 27:51

It's like yeah, putting on the the on the grind stuff, you know. What what was the guy? Uh was it Mike from Boys to Men?

SPEAKER_01 27:58

Oh, the the guy that had the real low voice injection fella. Yeah, yeah. Those guys had good voices. Barry White. The guy's trying to turn him into a late night radio. Well, next time we talked to him, we're like, so what happened to him? Oh, he's on this radio station doing really well. He's like late night loving, you know, whatever.

SPEAKER_05 28:16

Get me to work during the peak hours, y'all know y'all asleep, man. I get I'm gonna ask y'all, yo, y'all hear me? I'm gonna be like, look, brother, I was in bed. I was asleep, man. I'm in bed by nine.

SPEAKER_03 28:25

Forget that. Yeah, no way. Speaking of voices, you should hear this guy sing. I came out to see him singing.

SPEAKER_01 28:33

That's not my sister on the wall. That's not my sister.

SPEAKER_05 28:35

I got a kick out of this picture right here. He told me that was him back then.

SPEAKER_01 28:39

Now that I know he's into this music, though.

SPEAKER_05 28:41

Yeah, I'm gonna wait.

SPEAKER_01 28:43

It's opposite, yeah. That's funny. Well, if if there's nothing else we're gonna talk about here, I think we're gonna wrap it up. And we're gonna, I guess, all gonna watch the championship games on April 6th and see what goes on there. I was hoping Villanova would make it, but I know, man.

SPEAKER_05 28:57

Tough one, but no, first year back in the tournament after a three or four year stint. So good first year from from Coach Kevin Wheeler. So, you know, hopefully we're going in the right direction, man.

SPEAKER_01 29:06

Get the cats back where we need to go. That's cool, man. Well, thanks so much for coming in. I know you're here for a couple days and you took out some time to come in here today, and I appreciate it. Scott, for thanks for having him in here. This is wonderful. And uh, we'll see where things go. Hugo, you're good, right?

SPEAKER_02 29:20

Yep, good, good, good.

SPEAKER_01 29:21

Awesome.

SPEAKER_02 29:21

What does do you have any website still for your public speaking?

SPEAKER_05 29:24

Tell us any how we get in touch with you if somebody wants to do the public speaking. So my management is more than basketball of org.com. You can go on there and then you can find uh more than basketball.

SPEAKER_01 29:34

Say it again.

SPEAKER_05 29:34

More thanbasketball.com.com. Okay. Um you can find my link and then click it, and then you know, if you want to find me on Instagram, it's Chris Jenkins underscore two. Awesome. Uh yeah, man. I appreciate y'all. Thank you for having me. No problem, man.

SPEAKER_01 29:47

Thanks for being here. My guy Scott. All right, that was fun. Chris Jenkins from the Villanova fame, the 4.7 second shot. Unbelievable. That was a lot of fun. All right, that's about it. We'll see you Thursdays at 7 p.m. Please tune in. Thanks a lot.