From Vulnerable to Robust: Building Cellular Energy in a High-EMF World | Daniel DeBaun #153

In this eye-opening conversation, Dylan sits with telecommunications engineer Daniel DeBaun to explore how modern electromagnetic fields (EMFs) interact with human biology and what we can do to maintain strong cellular energy in an increasingly wireless world.

Our bodies are fundamentally electrical. Every nerve impulse, heartbeat, and cellular signal depends on delicate electrical gradients. Yet today we are constantly surrounded by artificial electromagnetic signals from mobile phones, WiFi routers, laptops, Bluetooth devices, and expanding wireless infrastructure.

Drawing on more than 30 years of experience inside the telecommunications industry, Daniel explains what electromagnetic fields actually are, the difference between ionising and non-ionising radiation, and how radiofrequency signals interact with biological systems. The discussion explores emerging research around voltage-gated calcium channels (VGCCs), oxidative stress, and mitochondrial function, offering insight into how environmental electromagnetic exposure may influence cellular signalling and energy metabolism.

Rather than approaching the topic from a place of fear, this episode focuses on awareness and resilience. Dylan and Daniel share practical strategies to reduce EMF exposure in everyday life, helping listeners navigate modern technology while supporting long-term health.

IN THIS EPISODE WE DISCUSS:

📡 What electromagnetic fields (EMFs) actually are
 📡 Ionising vs non-ionising radiation explained
 📡 Radiofrequency radiation from phones, WiFi and wireless devices
 📡 The electrical nature of human physiology
 📡 Voltage-gated calcium channels (VGCCs) and cellular signalling
 📡 Oxidative stress and mitochondrial energy production
 📡 Mobile phones, wireless technology and the 5G conversation
 📡 Why some individuals experience EMF sensitivity
 📡 Simple ways to reduce daily EMF exposure
 📡 Practical strategies for building resilience in a high-EMF world

ABOUT OUR GUEST: Daniel DeBaun

Daniel T. DeBaun is a telecommunications engineer with more than 30 years of experience designing and testing wireless technologies. During his career he worked inside the infrastructure that powers modern telecommunications, including overseeing electromagnetic interference testing laboratories and helping establish technical standards for wireless systems.

Over time his focus shifted toward understanding the biological effects of electromagnetic radiation from everyday devices such as mobile phones, laptops and tablets.

Daniel went on to found DefenderShield, a company dedicated to developing technologies that help reduce personal EMF exposure. He is also co-author of Radiation Nation: The Fallout of Modern Technology, a book focused on EMF awareness and practical protection strategies.

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Transcript

EMF Awareness Without Panic

SPEAKER_00 0:00

This time on the Vital Vega podcast.

SPEAKER_03 0:04

If you're using a cell phone heavy user a couple hours a day, you're three times more likely in 10 years to get cancer. If you used a laptop on lap three to four hours, it was not only just the heat, but it was the RF signal that disrupted the mobility of Welcome to the Vital Veda podcast.

Inside Telecom Standards And Blind Spots

SPEAKER_00 0:24

I'm your host, Dylan Smith. I'm an Auretic Health Practitioner. I'm also a holistic health educator. And I am an electrical being, just like you. Yeah, I'm speaking to you because with me and you, every nerve impulse, every heartbeat, every organ, every cellular signal in our bodies depends on electrical gradients. So when we are in a world saturated with artificial, non-native electromagnetic signals, we must ask ourselves an important question. How do they interact with our cellular energy? How do they interact with our health and biology? And essentially, because these things are inevitable and I like to use them and they're not going anywhere. I don't want to go live in the bush completely full-time. So, how do we build robustness so they don't impact our physiology and our health negatively? Can you feel EMF? Can you feel them? Because I can certainly feel them. I mean, put a laptop on your lap with a Wi-Fi RAT on. I think you just need to be a bit present with your body and a bit self-intuitive and sensitive to yourself that you can feel your genitals being fried by a laptop on your lap. Now, the point of this podcast is not to panic. The point of this podcast is to learn to adapt. It's all about adaptability and essentially becoming in a state of awareness where you make your lifestyle, you easily create your lifestyle around EMF in a way that you don't have to worry about it or think about it. You become resilient. Of course, more and more people are becoming hypersensitive to EMF because the power densities are becoming thicker, they're stronger, and there's more and more transmission signals popping up all over the place, which means there's more devices, more towers popping up. So we really got to increase this adaptability. And I'm grateful for our guests to join us on the show. His name is Daniel DeBon. He's a telecommunications engineer with over 30 years of experience. He's now a leading expert in the mechanics of EMF, including its impact on biology. His background is interesting because he used to work in standards. He used to set standards for large telecommunications industry. He's worked inside the infrastructure that powers modern wireless technology, including overseeing how electromagnetic fields interfere with each other inside testing labs. But over time, his concern shifted towards bringing in a factor into the field of telecommunications and wireless devices that was not there. And that is the interaction between these devices and human biology, the biological effects of long-term exposure to EMF or electromagnetic radiation. This is from everyday devices, laptops, tablets, mobile phones, Wi-Fi routers, microwave oven in your house. He then went on to found Defender Shield, which is probably what I've come across as the best shielding products available, which are designed to reduce EMF exposure from personal electronics. He's also a co-author of the book Radiation Nation: The Fallout of Modern Technology, which talks about EMF awareness and protective strategies. Today he speaks a lot about EMF. He's you can find him on so many podcasts. He's an author, he's an engineer who speaks about it from an engineer point of view, understands how these systems are built and tested. So we get a little geeky in going to but geeky but simplifying, really getting to understand what actually are the different frequencies, what are the watts and the gigahertz, and what does this all mean in a very fundamental, like childhood level, and then the mechanics of how it actually interacts with human biology, followed by how we can simply simply rectify it and essentially go beyond it, become greater than that, develop a frequency as well as common sense distance from these devices, but still utilizing these devices in our everyday life to enjoy them, but not get affected by them. So I'm so excited for you to join this podcast. If you enjoy what you're hearing, share with others. This is really important to share with others, especially those who are putting AirPods or AirPods in their ear or Bluetooth wearables or sitting with a laptop on their lap without protection or putting a mobile phone next to their brain without protection. And we'll get into the how to protect and do these sources. So enjoy the episode. Much love. So this is super important. It's really a factor in healing any disease, any health. I want to just introduce you or allow you to introduce yourself. What I find fascinating about you is you were in the telecommunications industry as a regulator, and and you kind of saw the you never learnt about the correlation between telecommunications and health. And that brought you, one of the reasons it brought you to the field of shielding from EMF. But when you were in the telecommunications industry, what were you regulating?

EMF Basics Frequencies And Safety Limits

SPEAKER_03 5:53

So thank you for inviting me, Dylan. I'm excited to chat with you today because I'm passionate about the subject as you are. And years ago, I was in the telecommunications business, as you said, and I literally defined the standards. My organization defined the standards that the entire U.S. network was built upon. And then I would look at all the technologies that meet those standards to make sure that they could be installed into these networks that we have in the U.S. So I was very involved in what it is that needs to be provided in service and how you get there with technology. So I had a lot of experience in this space. And as you were pointing out, by the way, I was worried about what the electronics would do to other electronics, not what is electronics doing to a person. And that was not unusual. My counterparts, my peers, were the same way. It wasn't like we were trying to avoid anything. We just concentrated on the engineering of the problem and came up with the answers to the problem. So ironically, I never had once a conversation about health with anyone, not at all. And all the times I was in that industry. And there were, and lies actually sort of somewhat where the problem lies. The silos of understanding, the medical community and the technical telecommunications community, they were not talking to each other. And so there was a lot of stuff going on that was important to know about the impact to humans. Yet those who were sort of developing the standards for that didn't have a clue because we didn't communicate. Right, yeah. But I'm a skeptic still because it's uh you have a lobbying industry that's huge and um and changes in standards uh move slowly. And I I definitely want to talk about it because if you understand what the standard is and and where be may where the gaps may be, you you you can better define how you would like to deal with it in your own personal life. So I I I uh have a uh appreciation for understanding it like that.

SPEAKER_00 8:37

So before we get into it, I want to like just unpack for the audience what exactly is EMF and to kind of pre-precurse or to before we go into that, I personally think non-native electromagnetic fields is the new cigarettes. And people think, oh, that's crazy. But when cigarettes were a few decades ago, people didn't think they were bad. We will in 10 years, I I have without a doubt that in 10 years, we will be saying, What? You used to put a phone next to your ear, like right next to it.

SPEAKER_03 9:06

Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 9:07

The accumulative effect is is incredible. So people think, come on, like that sounds radical, but let's just unpack what actually is EMF. We know of we know what a microwave oven is. That's kind of one factor that people kind of get. We know x-rays was now we know x-rays, you can't just do them so frequently because they are not not good for you. So that's like I want to go into radio frequencies, ionizing versus non-ionizing radiation. Just give a picture of about the EMFs that we are exposed to regularly, mobile phones, laptops, even microwave albans in the house, Wi-Fi routers. Just a brief, if we can give it concise overview.

SPEAKER_03 9:45

Yeah, hard to be brief about the context of the scope of what you're suggesting, but uh let's start. Uh so um emissions, electromagnetic radiation emissions have been around for a very long time. Um AM radio, FM radio that evolved, all of these things are emissions that are being transmitted into the air and they're going a distance and they're being listened to, or they're they're you're doing something with the information you're getting from the far end. Uh so it's been around a long time. And then if you think about cell phones, even maybe even 20 years ago, when you picked up your cell phone and you called your friend, your friend couldn't afford a cell phone. So we really weren't using it very much. And um, and so we wouldn't put it on our head for two hours. We'd put it on our head for two minutes. It's just the nature of the use. And when the standards were created um in the US for the micro the signal of a cell phone, which also comes similarly with a Wi-Fi router and with a uh laptop, uh the tablet, all these things emit a transmission that goes somewhere else. What's different now than 20 years ago? We put it against our head. We put it into our pocket, we put it into our back pocket. And all of a sudden, we have all these technologies that are really touching our bodies. Uh so um is it a problem? Well, in the case of the U.S., for example, the standards were over 30 years ago we developed it, and I think in Australia as well. Uh and the standards for us, which I think is also true for Australia, was based on six-foot males, people who have thick skulls, mature skulls, um, and a lot of stuff before it goes to the brain. Our standard allowed a signal to go one to two inches and heat up that area by two degrees, two degrees. Why is it two degrees? Well, it's a microwave oven signal. A microwave is 2.3 um gigahertz, and a cell phone is around one gigahertz, generally speaking, today. Not true with 5G, but uh and so you have a microwave that you put on your head. And um and if you're a six-foot male, maybe it heats up two degrees. If you're a child, six years old, it goes completely through their head. So the whole use of the standard was six-foot males over 30 years ago. Dylan, it represents about 3% of the population using cell phones today. Only about 3%. So what happens to the other 98%? Does it enter into a degree? Are we worried about the thermal impact of a signal? Or are we worried about the biological impact?

SPEAKER_00 13:16

And I think it's kind of like putting in a microwave oven like a nice watery soup or like a really dense, I don't know, sweet potato compared to the the adult is the sweet potato and the baby's.

SPEAKER_03 13:30

Yeah, exactly, exactly. And and by the way, it was um the the the water that that's between the cells heat up when you put your microwave on. It heats up and oscillates the cells, and that vola is cooked. Um but interestingly enough, it seems through all the scientific evidence that I've seen over the last five, 10 years, it's all biological impacts. And the biological impacts are far more vast and more debilitating potentially, even than the cancer could be that you may have heard associated with it. And so people need to understand that there may be things they want to do to sort of mitigate those high levels of exposure, because in some cases we know a lot about those exposures over time and what the impact of the human body can be.

How RF Creates Cellular Stress

SPEAKER_00 14:30

Let's go into that the mechanics of how they interact with the biology, because as you said, that you just mentioned studies, and some people might say, oh, there's no evidence to show. Yeah. Let's go into that.

SPEAKER_03 14:41

Actually, you you you asked me a question before about what does the spectrum look like? Uh ionized radiation. What is ionized radiation? It is radiation that's powerful enough to take an electron, knock it out of its off orbit, and charge that. Therefore, they call it ionized. And that is well known for impacting the human cell and can be easily cancerous. And that's X-rays, that's gamma rays, that's stuff that's really at the higher end of the spectrum. And so you I think you're right. Some people think, well, if it's not ionized radiation, then it's not going to bother you. Well, actually, the mechanics are different. Electrons are not knocked out of the uh your uh orbit, but rather um the cell itself fatigues. And there's some things that happen as a result of that fatigue. And um if you think about calcium, calcium can penetrate the cell, and this then there's chemical composition changes that happen within the cell. And that's how you can mutate or um uh DNA damage that that cell. So it's a different mechanic that actually works at works. It's slower, the power levels are less, but nevertheless, over time, it does potentially accumulate for the human body.

SPEAKER_00 16:23

Right. So the excess of calcium is entering the cell because the cell is becoming vulnerable and uh permeable, is that right? And we get the increase.

SPEAKER_03 16:34

It actually literally goes through the the membrane of the cell. And when it gets through that calcium as a result of the weakening of the cell, it it becomes stronger. Now, now, Dylan, that that's uh that's one line of science that we we know well, and it's very well established, that that is a mech mechanism of breakdown. But it's also true that uh I think you actually pointed out, there's stress. There's actually a stress, and some people think about it as oxidative stress. And oxidative stress is just an imbalance of uh free radicals and antioxidants, right? And so net result is a uh uh um a um uh oxygen imbalance that occurs. It's far more complicated than that if you look at some more of the recent science that talks about the stressors, and the stressors, as you pointed out at the starting point, was associated with a lot of other toxins that can be dangerous to the human body. So when you talk about electromagnetic radiation, um at the same time, you can talk about multiple chemical sensitivity and the impacts of chemicals in the air that that impact the human body. You can talk about a hammer hitting your arm as an external stressor. Your body is reacting. When you hit your arm with a hammer, you know it. But when you hit your arm with electromagnetic radiation, you don't feel it. And so um that's sort of a big difference. But when you get hit with a stressor, whether it be chemical or electromagnetic, um, the body reacts. It's like if you and I were in the woods and we saw a bear, what would we do? We'd instantly run to protect ourselves. We don't even think about it. Um, that's an automatic response of the human body. Well, that happens to the cell when you talk about um uh RF signal hitting your human body, it automatically says, you know what, to the cell next to it, I'm not gonna talk to you anymore. I'm hurting. Um and you go into a phase of um um hurt that won't recover until you take it away. So when you have heavy users of cell phones, that's what happens, right? They don't get better over time. If you if you're using a cell phone heavy user a couple of hours a day, you're three times more likely in 10 years to get cancer of the frontal lobe. That's because the stressors are going hitting you, hitting you, hitting, and it's so good. But but if you use it for a couple of minutes a day, you likely will never need to be concerned about the impact of that stressor because the energy simply doesn't have enough time to get more um aggressive with the human body. Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 19:56

So just to summarize, basically the they're kind of knocking at the door of the cell, opening up through these voltage-gated calcium channels, which allows excess calcium, which is important, but not in excess, which creates the reactive oxygen species and creates the oxidative stress, which damages the cells, damages the DNA, reduces the energy. You spoke about this like dead kind of or low energy cell, like fatigued cell, which really correlates, I guess, with the brain fog that people are experiencing, or just the lack of lust for life, the lack of zest for life, that low energy that people have. And this I think is, and we see I've heard these what I've researched, these vaulted gating calcium channels are particularly concentrated in three parts of the body the brain, the heart, and the genitals.

SPEAKER_03 20:44

And and you know why, right? Soft tissue. Exactly right.

SPEAKER_00 20:48

More water, more water. Yeah, so this is why when people are first of all putting a phone next to their ear or putting some the woman there tucking the phone in the breast, like the the bra when they exercising, or even just a phone in the front pocket. I'm just like, oh my god, this is a recipe for disaster.

Electrohypersensitivity Signs You Might Miss

SPEAKER_03 21:09

So that's a great summary, and I I appreciate that because now we're gonna change the subject. Am I worried about oxidative stress or cancer, which is typically the result of GACAM channel, right? It turns out that electromagnetic radiation hypersensitivity is something that's fairly modern. Why? Because we didn't have electronics around us. And when 10, 15 years ago, roughly speaking, 20% of the population was electrohypersensitive, of which 80% were women. And what does that mean? Well, there's neurological impacts, your eyes can hurt, your ears can ring, you're getting headaches. You have fatigue, you have nausea, you have anxiety, allergy-like symptoms. There's a whole host of impacts that occur. And when you go to a doctor and you have a headache, they'll say take two aspirin. Your headache, however, could be because you're too close to a router. It's because of an RF signal that's constantly loading your body. Currently, I've actually seen studies recently that show that it's gone from 20 to 50 percent. So, and I don't know if that's I I I'm reluctant to characterize it as a 50% problem, but I've seen now evidence that suggests it can be 50%. So to me, it seems like the density of the signals that are around us could be actually increasing body response than not even realizing it.

SPEAKER_00 23:01

It's interesting for me to hear those figures. I mean, me as a practitioner who sees patients, I I wouldn't even say 20%. Maybe I haven't gone into it depth in depth enough, but I haven't seen that many hypersensitive patients. But I guess it's a spectrum, right? I did have one patient who could not go on an aeroplane because of the EMF. She could not go into certain environments. If she went on the airplane, she would have headaches and anxiety and just her whole body would tense up. She couldn't do it. It was too much for her. But uh, it's definitely a thing. I think for me, if I put a phone next to my ear, like I will do it so occasionally. I don't have my earphones, my my air tubes, which I'm wearing now, or I don't, I can't use the loudspeaker because maybe I'm out in an environment and I had to make take this phone call. I can feel it even straight away. And if I put a laptop on my lap, not that I do, like, I mean, anyone listening right now, just put a laptop on your lap and just maybe just close your eyes. How can you, you've got to feel it. I I think majority, as you said, beyond 50%, can just feel that.

SPEAKER_03 24:06

Yeah, no question. And it's it's very real. You refer to a clinician. Uh I had there was a clinician that deals with liquor hypersensitivity. He's an expert in the U.S. on it. And he actually had a patient come into his clinic that was in a wheelchair. It turned out he was working as an electrician in a heavily dense power um uh location. And that electro hypersensitivity that he had was so debilitating it put him in a wheelchair. And so, as you pointed out, there are extremes. Maybe you get a headache, maybe you maybe you get tingling a little bit in your fingers when you're typing on a keyboard, but it's also true it can be more extreme and and it can more have more serious damage that's happening. And in those cases, it takes a very long time to help that patient recover because you, as you, as you know, you gotta have you have to balance the those things that are out of balance. Obviously, you're not recovering from exposures. That's nutrition, that's the there's a lot of other things. Do you have microbiome that is where it should be, for example? We've found that in some of the clinics we work with, they've found higher levels of DevC um microbiome. And that actually can be pretty toxic to the human body. Um, but there were elevations that were out of the normal range, uh, and they were also electrohypersensitive. So we consider that a coincidence, not a coincidence, but a correlation.

SPEAKER_00 25:53

You mentioned frontal lobe cancer of the brain caused by EMF. What what are the what are the figures that or the minutes a day that people need to be wary of or or kind of keep as a boundary limit?

SPEAKER_03 26:07

Right. Well uh again, uh when you don't use it a lot, less than an hour or so a day close to the body, you're you're probably gonna be pretty okay. But I'm gonna answer your question from a scientific point of view. Um the cell phone transmit levels in the US are 1.6 watts per kilogram. Uh that's in that area, you can produce a signal 1.6 watts. A microwave is a thousand watts to give you a contrasting view. But the standard allows 1.6 watts. And a RF signal debilitates the uh the um bird brain barrier. We have a lot of science that shows that it reduces the efficacy of um the protection to the frontal lobe. And so we have that action occurring. So it's maybe not taking quite as much as you may think to get to the frontal lobe. In this case, you can have dot 1 watts, which is about 15 times less the power level, that can mutate a cell in the frontal lobe. So when I hear people putting things in their ears, I get a concern because it's a constant load. And in some cases, that there's transmissions directly through the body and uh through the head. And you know, um, I'm I I don't necessarily think it's a great idea to find that convenient and also take the risk of uh the uh potential damage. And what we know from research that there's been a 2% frontal lobe growth of um uh cancer in uh over the last 10 years, compounded 2% per year. So we know it's hard to say that's because of your cell phone, but um it's also true you can't ignore it because it's associated with the growth of the use of the technology around us.

SPEAKER_00 28:23

And it's one of the toxins that is affecting the code.

SPEAKER_03 28:25

Right, it's one of the toxins. There could be many more.

SPEAKER_00 28:27

And if it's weakening your blood brain barrier, then it it could be that in combination with the glyphosate that you're breathing in, or the if you're working on a building site, the right.

SPEAKER_03 28:37

Oh, it's even worse, right? I I also want to talk about the the gut uh a tiny bit. Um I have a friend of mine who is an expert on my uh microbiome. And I I remember him telling me that um you have ten times more bugs in your stomach than you do cells of your body.

SPEAKER_01 29:01

Right.

SPEAKER_03 29:01

And that you muck around with that, it's um there's concern. Well, it turns out RF signals like a cell phone or microwave, the bugs like that, and they actually propagate um at accelerated rates under those exposures, which um, as you know, can disrupt a lot of stuff, including your immune uh and and um and other aspects of the control of the relationships between the microbiome and the brain are also complicated. So uh and contrast, by the way, uh uh because I'm often asked about 5G. I'm gonna uh a cell phone works about one gigahertz. That's one billion cycles per second.

SPEAKER_00 29:55

Um one billion cycles of what? Of a trans of the transmission?

SPEAKER_03 30:00

So let's let's talk about that. What is a uh what is a um Hertz? A Hertz is one cycle per second. And so if I put my finger here, and in one second, a wave goes by. That's one cycle in one second.

SPEAKER_00 30:22

And that's a wave of radiation? A wave of radiation. Okay, yes.

SPEAKER_03 30:28

Think think of it like um the water on an ocean, yeah. The waves going by a point, and there's and how many waves go by that one point over a second. Now, you have one billion cycles per second in a gigahertz. Um, and so that has a different impact to the human body than one hertz. One hertz, by the way, is typically the earth is up to 15 hertz DC. Um, so it's really low. The body's sort of used to it. Um at one gigahertz, it's sort of trying to get used to it, not quite there yet. But at 5G, there's been studies that I've seen at 20 gigahertz, 20 billion cycles per second. And guess what? Bugs like that even more. Uh so um This is the bad bugs.

SPEAKER_00 31:26

This is the non-benefit.

SPEAKER_03 31:28

The bad bugs, right, exactly. Right.

SPEAKER_00 31:31

Um, and so it reminds me of cancer, the relationship between cancer cells and chemotherapy. It's like a poison which can kind of knock at their door and irritate them and shake them up, and that's when they kind of fight back with more proliferation and metastasis.

SPEAKER_03 31:46

Right. Yeah, exactly. And that's exactly the case. And that's science. It's not our guest about this stuff, it's simple science.

SPEAKER_00 31:53

I mean, there's also science to show that how EMF does affect the the cancer cells because it's it's again um irritating the the water of the cell, the cytoplasm, the gel. Yeah, it's making that more dead, which causes, as you said, these these dead cells, when cells get dead or they get low energy or low, what we call prana in area, like life force. They have low life force, they're very dull. That's when they start to come together and form a tumor. So we want cells that are full of energy, full of life force, prana.

SPEAKER_03 32:24

And that's a wonderful observation. Here's another when you muck around with your gut, that's what microchondrial repair recovers. Uh and you become weakened in those spaces, which allows your body to build up its strength, particularly at night when you go to bed. You rebuild that. So if you're not keenly aware of that sort of potential impact of having the sanctuary in your bedroom, you uh disrupt the recovery into the following day as a result of that. Um, and that's very important, in my opinion, to be careful about.

What 5G Means In Practice

SPEAKER_00 33:05

Absolutely. Recovery. We we have to with all the toxins that we're being exposed to, and not they're not going to go away. So we need to maximize that. And we'll speak, we're gonna get into the action steps and see that sleep is key. Before you mentioned 5G. So about six to seven years ago, maybe I don't know, was it COVID or before COVID, 5G was this big thing which everyone was trying to protest about. And we saw, you know, even now on the Wi-Fi routers that we connect to, you've got your regular 2.4 gigahertz. So you mentioned one gigahertz being a cell phone. 2.4 gigahertz is the kind of standard 3G, 4G. And then we have like, I mean, at least in Australia, we also have the op like if I buy a Wi-Fi router, I will have the option to connect it to 2.4 gigahertz or 5G. Now, I'm I'm also heard that that 5G is not actually the 5 like G. Like I don't think it's a 20 gigahertz 5G. Right.

SPEAKER_03 33:56

Yeah, it's remember, it's like you have 2.4 gigahertz, meaning you have uh a wave going past something in one second, and it's 2.4 that go past billion cycles, right? Right. When you say 5G, it's actually not 5G technology being applied, but uh a frequency rate of five gigahertz. Five billion, yeah, right. Five billion cycles a second.

SPEAKER_00 34:28

And people get confused about that, right? That's like deceiving. I think they're trying to think, oh, you're getting 5G, the high new technology with your Wi-Fi roundup. Okay, that makes sense. So, like, is what I mean, we've seen 5G towels, but how active actually is it? Is it actually implemented? What's going on?

SPEAKER_03 34:46

Yeah, let's let's be there's a lot of people that can get concerned. Um there is concern, legitimate concern, because we really don't know in science what the implications are because we really haven't studied it. So it's not, it may be very safe, it may be very dangerous. We really don't have evidence, strong evidence yet about it. But given I said that, when you have a cell phone, I mentioned 1.6 watts per kilogram, right? Um, that's a power level, it's about this high. Well, when you have a cell tower, um it's maybe 20 watts. So when you're really close to a tower, the energy levels are much higher than what you have from a cell phone. Um when you start looking at 20 gigahertz, which is a 5G uh um speed, is sort of where you're starting to depart from where we know there's a lot of science. Uh 1.6, a lot of 5G stuff being deployed today is less than 10 gigahertz. So we know a lot about it, right? Um, but when you get up uh above uh 10 gigahertz, in the 20 space, for example, do you know it takes um 40 watts from that tower to go 750 feet? So the distance of these higher rates are much shorter, and so the power levels are higher to get there. And that's really where there may be real concern. We're introducing levels of power that didn't exist in our local environment. Um, and will that have any effect on humans, men, women, children? I think it may. And certainly if you look at the evidence of which we now know about up to 10 gigahertz, um it's probably likely there could be potential concerns.

SPEAKER_00 37:10

So it's like the 5G is doing this incredibly heavy lifting, it's got so much gigahertz to give, but it that's why it can't push too far. Right. The good news about that is you could just it's easier to distance from that. Right if if you can. Um don't get the service um until we know more about it. But if you wanted to, you know, distance yourself if there's 5G towers or something nearby and you can move away from it or stay away, at least you you only have to travel 750 feet rather than Right.

SPEAKER_03 37:42

You don't have to go far. That's right. And and that's sort of the the concern is not just the increased frequency rates, um, but it's also the power levels to take. Incredible.

SPEAKER_00 37:57

I mean, when we when I see when I see 5G towers, or what I think is 5G towers on top of apartment buildings, yeah. I'm just like, come on, like you just do a study on that top floor of the apartment, and definitely you will see disease. And I've heard recounts of people.

SPEAKER_03 38:14

And I I think that's a uh an important correlation. It turns out there's likely 20 watts being produced on those, even though they may not be it's likely true they're below 10 gigahertz. Um, but the power is high in its in their environment, and that's what hasn't been in their environment in the past.

Abyanga Protective Armor And Watts

SPEAKER_00 38:40

When I first started studying the science about non-native electromagnetic fields in depth, I ran to my Ayurvedic teacher in India with such enthusiasm and almost like revelation, like this is such an important toxin that is creating so much significance in disease. And kind of I had all this excitement and like I just discovered that the number one pernicious toxin in the world, which which I still truly believe is highly impactful. But his response was kind of he just brushed me off and he just said, Abyanga. Abyanga is self-oil massage. And that was his solution to EMF. It's about giving yourself an oil massage every day because when you do that, it nourishes the fat tissue, it stabilizes your nervous system, and it strengthens what Ayoveda calls kavach, which means your protective armor. It's it's it's a field of armor on your biology because we are electrical beans. So when you have healthy cell membranes and well-nourished tissues, especially the sebum, the fat tissue in the skin and below the skin, that regulates how signals move through your body. You can download our free Abyunga guide, free guide poster, which teaches you. It's in the show notes, the link. And you can also listen to a guide where you don't have to look at a poster, you just close your eyes, listen and practice this self-oil massage. And that's on Insight Timer under my profile on Insight Timer, Dylan Smith. We cover everything from medicated oils to simple kitchen oils you can use to begin your self-oil massage today. If you also want to go deeper into Abyanga, you can listen to a podcast episode that I did on that, on the Vital Vader podcast episode on ABANGA. So will you just explain what? So I we get the gigahertz, you've explained that. Then the watts is the power coming from that to generate this microwave signal. But what how do you measure the watts?

SPEAKER_03 40:28

Or how can we what can we so think think of it as a hose? You have a hose, and um and it it can go 10 feet, let's say, 10 yards, whatever it is. But you really wanted to go 50 yards, what do you have to do? You gotta put more power into it, more pressure into it to get it farther. That's the same problem with the mic, uh the the my uh the microwave signals, by the way. Um how do you get it farther? You have to put more power into it. You gotta build more energy into it so it gets farther out. And that's where the um the lies um the potentials for because your children can be in the front yard with a transmitter at 20 watts that's never been there, and it's only in the first 10 to 20 feet it's been uh from the tower, the small cell site they call it. And I'm concerned about those kinds of exposures long term for kids because we just don't know about it. And you would, as an engineer, predict there potentially can be problems, but we just haven't documented those problems.

SPEAKER_00 41:47

That watts is not a microwave signal, that's just a different type of actually.

SPEAKER_03 41:51

That's a good point. I'm glad you said microwave. I mentioned you get thousand-watt microwave ovens that allows you to cook it really fast. If it was like one watt or 1.6 watts, it'd take you all day to cook it. So they jacket up the power that's being transmitted into the meat, and that's how they cook it, because they put more power into it.

SPEAKER_00 42:19

But the the frequencies that are coming from the watt energy rather than the actual magnetic field that it's producing it's it's not RF, right?

SPEAKER_03 42:30

The microwave is 2.3 gigahertz. Right, right. And your Wi-Fi, as you know, is 2.4 gigahertz. They're the almost identical frequency rate. The difference is the power level that's being transmitted at.

SPEAKER_00 42:44

Right, right. So, what what is a natural power level for people to be exposed to? Do we have any reference point or any kind of power level in nature?

Blue Light Circadian Rhythm Eye Health

SPEAKER_03 42:53

No. No. We we have um I'm gonna answer that in a moment. I I I want to talk about. We've talked about RF signals, we've talked about microwave signals. We haven't talked about blue light. Light is on an EMF spectrum, electromagnetic uh radiation spectrum. It's in the between the microwave and the ionized radiation X-ray. Um, and it is electromagnetic radiation. What prompted me to think about this was the question you asked me. Um, what's in natural? Well, light is natural and it's electromagnetic radiation. What's the difference? Well, the energy level is different. The power is more interesting from our device. When you're looking at a screen, you're actually more energy that's in the blue spectrum, and there's the right and the red and the everything. else spectrum that's in part of that view. But the blue is at the high end of the spectrum, which has more power, and that influences the uh the um the macula the a bunch of other things and we'll talk about that if you'd like but um that's natural in the earth and sun but it's not at the power levels that are being used delivering from your screens right and that is a big deal and I know we're gonna talk about this but when you the blue light component is the part that influences the cryptochrome protein in the back of the eye and so when you when it's sunlight the cryptochrome says hey I can I see lights up so I don't have to turn them off and then the sun goes down and turns off then what happens? Well natural body stuff goes on where you start um generating melatonin in the human body and other functions that occur so you're you're impeding the natural process when you're looking at a monitor an hour before you go to bed.

SPEAKER_00 45:25

And so your your whole sarcadian rhythm is being disrupted as a result of you not maybe going to sleep quickly quickly enough it's all because of the blue light which is damaging to the uh macular macular of the eye yes it's you know you when you talk about the macular degeneration and and the optic nerve and these things in in Ayurveda we kind of simplify these frequencies into various things one of the things is that it kind of dries up the system it dries up the cell as I said it makes that cell fatigue it takes the the s the prana the life force out of the water component right the cytoplasm and of course the number one I mean macular degeneration is a big epidemic. I actually treat it a lot in my clinic and the one of the main reasons is dryness. There's so many factors that can dry it out. But literally a a a blue light and these EMF from coming from the screens can dry out your eyes.

SPEAKER_03 46:25

Yeah but you know what's also at play you don't blink as much. Right. You're not blinking so you have dry eye as a result of not blinking because you're looking at the monitor which is of course another complication of the eye.

SPEAKER_00 46:40

So comparing say the sun or the full moon to a computer screen they both have the same amount of Kelvin which is the light temperature which may be about say 6500 Kelvin or 7000 Kelvin as opposed to like a red light. But the power density you're saying from a device is more compared to the even the sun closer? It's closer, okay. Yeah. Even though the sun's of course an incredible powerhouse you're still not getting that amount of do you measure it in watts? Like is that what's coming from through the blue light in through the device or through the sun? Is that a watts measurement?

SPEAKER_03 47:14

No it's uh the intensity of wattage from the monitor screen it's okay measured in power. Um and that's levels that are typically higher produced to present the image than the power that you have from the sun.

SPEAKER_00 47:33

Interesting how you said blue light is in between microwave radiation and ionizing which to me if it's more towards ionizing that's even more powerful than microwave radiation would that be right?

SPEAKER_03 47:46

Yeah it could be there's no evidence that that's true. But uh because you just brought that up I'm going to bring something else up you're talking about terahertz trillion cycles per second when you talk about non-ionized radiation right an X-ray. Ionizing you mean ionizing when ionizing yeah yeah right and um when you get to 6G it's up to two terahertz wow so you're actually starting to go into the ionize space and so it's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 48:26

And just for those who don't I I'll tell a story I met a friend who works in growing medical cannabis and he does it all through government regulation in Australia. So he has to put the cat once they've grown the cannabis they put it into the like a a cage like a room and close the door and they blast it with ionizing radiation and they they can't be in that room. So they're like pulverizing this plant and losing all the prana. So and people know like sometimes the x-rays you have to go out of the room that the the sonographer has to leave that's the ionizing it's so powerful so when they're I tell the story you go went to a dentist and they put a piece of lead plate on top of you you don't know it's a lead plate and they run out of the room and then they push the button there's a real reason they don't stay in that room because of the exposures I have a question which is probably on many people's minds what do you think about these new RAPI scan airport scanners the ones where you kind of stand and lift your arms out to the side and your legs to the side well they were they were they were far more dangerous 10 years ago.

Scanners Laptop Sperm Pregnancy Risks

SPEAKER_03 49:41

Right. They're actually using RF to do that at lower power levels um and they're not quite instantaneous but they're short intervals. They probably tend to be more relatively safer than what's been used in the past and not that dangerous. But I know like when I can avoid it I do. I don't want that accumulative impact.

SPEAKER_00 50:09

I've done a bit of research and it shows that that they're lower exposure than holding a mobile phone to your head and it it does always the stuff you know my wife she she always says pat me down I'm all right I just go I can't be bothered but but um they always whenever my wife's like they're like what like it's very very low because they they must get a lot it's a bit of a trend as well on kind of Instagram people are showing how they're getting pat down. I think it's a good thing it's good awareness.

SPEAKER_03 50:34

I do too I I agree with that.

SPEAKER_00 50:36

I don't think they're that bad.

SPEAKER_03 50:37

But they as you said they're they're not they used to be pretty serious. Not only that but when you talk about these kinds of things that are constantly in use you it should be calibrated every year. And there was no evidence of consistent calibration of that technology. So where you thought the power levels were one thing based on the standard they were maybe 10 times that because they weren't calibrated that was chronic problems in the past histories of technology.

SPEAKER_00 51:11

And what's interesting so when you were regulating the industry you had nothing to do with health it was just regulations of interacting with other devices.

SPEAKER_03 51:21

What happened was um I I was in the stands for so long and then my sons who were adult men at the time had their laptops on their lap and my wife says I want grandchildren get them off your lap she's in social work. She had nothing to do with technology and I said no the power levels are too low. Why would you worry about it? And so I looked and this is close to 20 years ago I looked and even back then we knew that if you used a laptop on lap three to four hours it was not only just the heat but it was the RF signal that disrupted the mobility of the uh of the sperm and and as you pointed out before it's like why didn't I know that science wasn't bridging to technology and I never knew that just like smoking had a lot of research 50 years ago that said there's a direct correlation link between cancer and smoking. But I smoked cigarettes because I thought I was a big man.

SPEAKER_00 52:33

Had no idea I was killing myself when I did exactly and as I said the voltagated calcium channels are concentrated in the genital area and there's a been a in there is an absolute epidemic of infertility in men and and sperm loss uh loss of motility and and count and without a doubt there's many factors but I I I don't think without a doubt the I would say the main reason what or at least one of the main reasons for that is having a phone in your pocket more so and of also laptop on lap but people have phone in their pockets more.

SPEAKER_03 53:08

Yeah interesting you brought that up Dylan um I I I I wrote a book on um this subject like uh uh Radiation Nation it was a book that at that time it was written was a little over five years ago talked about what it is um what science knows about it and what you can do about it I tried to give that description because it people didn't fully understand and we did know a lot it's just that people weren't learning a lot well I had a a a fellow um a Dr. Prasad uh look at what I wrote and he was he's a bio um biochemical expert free of the highest order a brilliant man and he said Dan you know I read your book and you said a woman you said that a 12 year old girl can put a cell phone in her back pocket and there can be DNA damaged or mutated cells as a result of that I had seen science that suggested those kinds of direct links and I wanted to make sure I I sort of mentioned it so if it would really be true, at least you'd be aware of it. He said Dan I don't really think that's true. And I said okay you know I you I I I appreciate your view. A couple of years later he calls me up and he said I had a woman come into my office and she had two forms of cancer in a stillborn child. If you had one of those cancers the probability was close to zero you would have it having two was a technical impossibility and he said Dan you may be right that we're actually starting to see um impacts from people having technology close to them. In fact in fact it's correlated to that is um there was a research in San Diego um I don't know about seven eight years ago a doctor gave everyone a meter that were pregnant and he monitored them in the first trimester and what he found was you were three times more likely to have a miscarriage in heavily exposed RF space. And so there was an implication where there was an external stressor having a real impact to the women in the environment they lived in.

Distance Airplane Mode And Shielding Tools

SPEAKER_00 55:54

Right. Yep so in in in our veteran in our clinic one of the biggest things we work with is preconception and fertility and definitely if you are going to have RF signals in your reproductive organs even though you may get pregnant and you may have the baby it can happen with complications and that's due to the the low cellular prana cell structure and perhaps mutations as you said as well. So but on the laptop on the lap you make um a a laptop case which we have and it's I love it it's like a it's like a kind of hard magazine laptop case which you can take out and use it on your lap. I mean I hate sometimes people will come to our house and like work with us and they've got the laptop and I give them the shield. So when you have the shield under the laptop so the lap the shields between your lap and the laptop okay you have it from going down but wouldn't it also be coming from from the screen and to the to the uh keyboard to you so so what you're referring to is what is an RF signal that's being generated by all of these technologies around us it's an omnidirectional signal right it goes everywhere it starts tiny tiny and it expands all the way around like a big ball keeps on going out and can go up to several miles.

SPEAKER_03 57:14

And so um how do you try to protect the human body uh from something like that? So what you do is you go after the most likely critical location of the human body you want to try to protect. And that's where there's direct contact. And we haven't talked about this but the distance as as you move away a little bit from the distance of a little bit makes a big deal difference to the exposure.

SPEAKER_00 57:49

And so we try to deal with that deal with the closest right uh exposure and then uh protect that and with the rest with some um where you can't modify the signal um deal with that um as a a danger but uh you can't fix it because if it fixed it you couldn't call your friends you couldn't use your Wi-Fi it wouldn't work so we go after the most important learning to feel your own pulse is one of the most powerful skills you can develop in a high signal world the radial pulse on your wrist reflects your inner state your nervous system your emotional tone your vitality it shifts with stress sleep lifestyle season environmental load and so many other stimuli pulse diagnosis in Ayurveda is the king of diagnostic methods it is the greatest examination method to gain a great deep insight into the human physiology but over the years I've felt clear observations and differences in the pulses of patients undergoing radiation therapy for example as well as in people who experience periods of heavy electromagnetic exposure. I remember touring Australia with my teacher from India and we were feeling the pulse of hundreds of hundreds of patients and sometimes he would ask the patient whether they lived near a hospital or a police station or because these had very heavy trans transmission energies from these these stations with the radios they use so the pulse would show this and and they would be like yeah um but the hospital is across the road from me. So self-pulse is not only about diagnosing it's actually primarily about getting to know yourself on a deeper level when awareness increases of yourself regulation follows this this awareness this self-balancing effect happens the body settles the stress is released through just feeling your pulse it creates a space for your internal terrain to become more stable and balanced even in a high signal world. So I I love to bring this self-pulse practice into this topic of non-native electromagnetic frequencies because it is such a simple free tool which you can use just to feel your pulse and we've created an Ayurved introductory self-pulse course with my teachers Dr. J.R. Raju as well as Vedya Hysha Raju who are regarded as many by the world's foremost masters of pulse diagnosis. And you'll find a link to those pulse videos which simply teaches you it's very very easy and that's in the show notes. And I hope you enjoy to feel your pulse and tap into a much more pure and high vibration electromagnetic field within yourself. Now when we get into the kind of action steps to take we know it's dangerous to protect yourself as Daniel just said distance is key like this is a fundamental law of physics that the greater the distance the lower power power density and biological harm and and that is so important. I think what I'm now starting to do like just as you literally yesterday now that I'm researching your work more we also have a a baby blanket AMF baby blanket which by the way I measured I had a um I have a device and I measured a bunch of shielding ways and that was by far the best from what I measured and I don't know how good my device is but that shielded the best better than you know I tried with the laptop the laptop case trying to block it or I had another shield which I tried to block it but the the blanket was very effective. So I'm gonna start um wearing like just having that on my lap and also for my wife having on their lap just while we're working um because it's it's very especially for the reproductive system.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:41

Yeah as a side note we we actually have shielding that shields up to 2.2 gigahertz uh excuse me uh yeah 2.2 gigahertz and we couldn't find laboratories to test our stuff we had to go to the air force in the US that had testing equipment because it's so high but we try to to create the highest quality shielding you can possibly have to have it most protective um and that's part of what we we started right from the very beginning we're not gonna create stuff that sort of does what we want it to do. We're gonna try to be the best at it.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:21

So we've also got your your um phone case dependential phone case so that is is that blocking the fr the radiation from the front of the phone and the back of the phone as well no not the back just the front okay the screen where it's uh on the you close right right right right you close here you close it you open it up and work and you close it and you put it on this is where the shielding is right why because you can't pre go to a tower if you shielded the back right so you're protecting that and by the way because it's omnidirectional when you when you're really close to a transmission when you're really close there almost it's an imaginary wall that that occurs at that and it will ultimately go around but typically away from the body when it does. So if you're having the phone in the pocket with your case it's better to have the screen side touching your body right exactly exactly exactly that's okay um another like okay honestly I'm very much into I think the best a device I've ever experienced is air tubes.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:34

And um did you create were you the innovator of air tubes because now many yeah uh yeah many companies make it but you you innovated that I did uh because um you know that you can the best is nothing and right right of course and there was technology that reduced the levels and and that was good but I knew from experience even the lowest of levels can really be uh influential in the body that's using the device so we actually took me over a year to create that product uh because what we had to do is find the technologies that we could embed into the various parts like for example we actually shielded the wiring that goes up that it we actually shield it and we ground it so we're minimizing that exposure and then there's a conversion from a co from electrical to acoustical that's an aluminum which shields it and then we have it only an acoustical link between the transmit the speaker and the earpiece so you're safe completely safe.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:48

Just to explain to those listening and you can see on the video so the speaker is actually probably well it's like maybe 10 to 15 centimeters away from my ear and then between the speaker and my ear is literally just a plastic tube of air and it's traveling through that tube into my ear with great stereosonic sound. So it's not only I'm not having a wire in my brain like an antenna in my ear or brain but I I'm just hearing it from you know maybe 10-15 centimeters away from me. And I I didn't know how that's all shielded as well. That's that's incredible. It's all shielded and also like yeah I just want to like congratulate you because you also keep refining the product I I just spoke to your team recently and I mentioned how oh we there was this thing where it would snap off after like a year or two that the earpiece would there was this it's some plastic thing but and you've rectified that and you've and it yeah it is obviously we're not going to stop listening to phone calls and listening to podcasts. Um this is m the one of my most useful things um these air tubes and I'm so grateful. Well thank you.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:53

It's yeah and they their high fidelity right you it was like I don't want something That diminishes the tone. No. So the chambers were actually specifically designed chambers to create the acoustics that you were looking for to create the highest fidelity we could.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:13

Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:14

Of course, no one's looks at that, but what they can hear it when you talk.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:18

So it's great sound. So just again, we've spoken about it in the podcast, but distance is key. Instead of putting your laptop on your sorry phone in your pocket, just put on the table next to you, or even better, leave it further away. Same with the laptop. Like instead of having on your lap, put it away from you. And even better, get a like what I've got, a keyboard that's wide and a and a mouse that's wide. Like it's that I love. So I don't have to have my wrist and my pulse on the laptop. It's actually distance. That's huge. Like I can feel my the pulse, the fields going into my pulse if for when I do have my my hands on the laptop, which I do when I travel. I don't take my keyboard and mouse with me typically. Right. But um another thing which I would love to get your opinion on, my best friend is aeroplane mode. I mean, I'm probably I my phone is probably on airplane mode 90 to 95% of the time. I only turn it on when I need to use it, and and I prefer not to be contactable. I mean, what a liberation to not have to be on call. How effective is that? And just to add, just to add, while also on airplane mode, my Wi-Fi is off and my Bluetooth is off because those can still be on, but not connected to a source if you're on airplane mode.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:31

So that's exactly what I was gonna say. There were actually four transmitters coming out of a cell phone: Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, GPS, and the cellular connection. Right. You don't need any of them other than the phone to work. And so I don't keep any of those other components on. And when you turn off and are in Wi-Fi, uh in uh airplane, you're not turning off the transient signal of the GPS.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:07

Right.

Sleep Sanctuary Bluetooth Pulses Next Steps

SPEAKER_03 1:08:08

It's not a constant load, but it's transient. It it does transmit. Like how it's the same load as the uh 1.6 watts, but it's uh a shot information. I shoot it out and it doesn't transmit anymore. Then a little while later it shoots it out and then doesn't uh go anywhere. Uh so we'll jump to the um the sanctuary, the bedroom sanctuary. You you you can put it on um uh airplane mode. You still are being exposed to an RF signal when you have it close to your um your body. Um in fact, um I was at a podcast and I told the the podcaster, you don't want a cell phone on your nightstand. And she was being very nice and she said, Oh, thank you so much for letting me know that. And I said, the reason why you don't is because your waves in your brain can be influenced by an RF signal. And you definitely don't want to risk that uh uh just so you can answer the phone, um, because it can be disruptive. And in fact, electrohypersensitive severe people can be walking and their and the brainwaves are a sleeping brainwave pattern, and vice versa. And so you really don't want to trust. So I she called back a couple of weeks later and she said, Dan, my husband and I are sleeping through the night, and we haven't done it for years. We both took it out of our uh the nightstand. And for them, that was true. It may not be for others, but you don't want to risk that influence into that environment. So, and associated with that, I talk about um bees in the room. One bee uh won't kill you, a thousand will. The more devices you have in your space, the more it's likely you'll feel the impacts of those technologies. You don't want anything producing that influence in your sleeping pattern. Why? Because microchondrial recovery, there's a lot of reasons why you don't really want to do that. Um, and so um it is really important to become resilient by eating right, by sleeping right, by uh exercising right. All those things are resilient patterns that allow you to deal with the NARA exposure. And you really have to work at it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:49

Um also it's important to not be fearful of this or to be anxious because as you said, resilience, like it's inevitable. And it and there's some very simple things like use the speakerphone or use air tubes or just you can do so many, you turn the Wi-Fi route off at night, you're asleep anyway. You don't need it. There's no put it on a timer, put it put it on a timer. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:17

Yeah, ten dollar timer, and it's away. In fact, the way I describe it is you don't need any of my products if you understand your environment. You can take actions to reduce those exposures, and you'll have no challenges of any impact related to an RF signal.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:37

Um, but you need to be aware. That's the empowering thing because if you are aware and you implement these simple distance protocols and it becomes your lifestyle, it's not hard. Then I'm happy to go through an airport scanner. Like I'm happy to use Wi-Fi occasionally. I used to have my house Ethernet, you know, but now I'm all right. Like I I have resilience and I also do other things for my health. So it's not hard, it's just very simple. And also um, one more thing, like avoid Bluetooth wearables, right? Like AirPods. Well, that's AirPods, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:10

I I I don't know if I finished the discussion about that. It's 15 uh 15 times more power less power level when you use the Bluetooth than your earbuds. Um and it's dot one watts uh can influence a DNA cell, uh the mutated cell. And so you don't want, in my opinion, to be using Bluetooth there or for any device you want to use to monitor your body, even for that matter. If there's a constant load or an ARF signal, 2.3 gigahertz from a Wi-Fi or a Bluetooth, if you can avoid that, it's just removing the potential stressor of the human body.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:02

Did you say Bluetooth is 15 times less power density?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:06

Okay. But the what I think, so then why is it everyone says it's so much worse than, for example, wired headphones? Is it I see it as the pulsing, like to have an intense and then the pulsating magnetic field.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:23

That's one of the sort of important parts about the digital technology today. It's not you had an analog signal 20 years ago, same amplitude, same frequency rate, and there were far less challenges to the human body as a result. Why? Because you'd put information in the digital world on and off, on and off, on and off. It's a pulsing signal, and that's that pulsing difference from an analog signal that is actually making the difference for potential body impacts. It's a pulsing signal. When it was an analog, it was always a constant load. Your body could handle that constant load. Um, and actually, I I I use an example. I can take a pole and put an elephant on top of that pole, and there can be concrete and it won't break. Because it's but I can take a digital pulse signal with the same thing, and the elephant jumping up and down, it quickly breaks. So um it's a different signal than we've seen in the past. Right, right. And that's really one of the real reasons we see the impotent potential dangers of it today.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:43

In in Ayurveda, in this traditional medicine which I work in, we call it vata, which is like the energy of movement or like radical movement, uh, irregular movements, so creating kind of shocking irregularities in the body and disrupting at a very subtle level, also. So the ability to really go into those subtle channels of the biology and cause disruption, it can penetrate those areas. Yeah. Thank you so much, Daniel. Um, very much appreciate you coming on the show and sharing your expertise. This I could have spoken to you for another hour at least.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:19

Yeah, we didn't even talk about 5G.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:21

Yeah, I mean, we also didn't talk about the new USA regulations.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:26

Oh, yeah. Now that's potentially in flux, potentially. So who knows?

SPEAKER_00 1:15:30

I mean, we can see, but you know, still it it all comes down to the people and what you're gonna. I I say politics is just a summary of the collective it's what the people feel. And yeah, I hope you can take these simple actions if you want to check out uh Defender Shields products, which I think are the best shielding products you can get. Um you can check out defendershield.com and we have a discount code VitalVader, which you can get a discount on. And one more thing, like another big important product is pregnancy uh belly bands. Um this is something we we give to all our patients, and that's just putting a literally like a like a sock for your pregnant belly, and that's absolutely crucial because of all the the rich water content and amniotic fluid in pregnancy that's gonna absorb. I've I'd I I've heard like 10 to 20 times more frequency than other parts of the body. Like or if you're not pregnant, like it's getting so much more radiation because of the concentration of the fluids.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:25

Yeah, I mean, I was really pretty concerned about it the more I learned um of the dangers, and I knew it was a simple fix right for us. We could we could really reduce those potential dangers by simply creating a lining in a piece of cloth.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:44

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:45

Um simple. But I'd like to uh end a little bit with a statement, and and it's like we're the architect of our own destiny. Um we really need to take control of what we think is important, and so learning about this and choosing a path with this is a good thing to do. Um, and you can decide what level of concern you should have or fear. I don't think it's fear at all. I just simply think it's understanding the environment we're in. And as you know, in in a hundred years, an RF signal will be differently dressed in the human body, it will get used to it. Right. Um and so, but right now it's not used to it.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:30

But maybe babies growing up with it are getting more accustomed to it, and it may not affect them as much. Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:37

Yeah, and that's historically true, right? The human body gets used to the environment as time goes on.

unknown 1:17:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:44

Thank you so much, Daniel. Appreciate the work you're doing so much. And maybe we'll chat again about other topics on EMF. Oh, yeah, well, I love chatting with you. Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:54

Um, yeah, and I thank you so much for inviting me. I really do appreciate it. Thank you. Um, because you seem as passionate as I am.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:08

Thank you so much for listening. I genuinely am grateful for you joining this episode and sticking till the end because this is such important information. If you enjoyed this episode, I want to share with you other episodes that are on similar topics that I'm sure you will love. First of all, is episode number 19 of the Vital Vader podcast. It's called EMF 5G and Building Biology. That's with Nicole Bilsma, who's one of the leading building biologists in the world, certainly in Australia. And that is more on the building. How can we optimize our building? Whether Daniel is more about shielding from devices, of course, building also, but Nicole Bilsmer is a building biologer and has universities and schools of building biology. The second is an interesting topic on EMF. It's called EMF Expanded, Geoelectric and Human Generated Radiation with Gerard Binny. So that's number 85 of the Vital Vader podcast, and that is about geoelectric and human-generated radiation. So more subtle, a bit more esoteric, but more on our internal electromagnetic fields, kind of like what the pulse taps into. If you're interested in what I was speaking about with Daniel about light, well, you've got to listen to number 21 of the Vital Vader Podcast, The Light Diet, Quantum Health, and Sarcadian Rhythms with Matt Baruka. And lastly, the mind and the consciousness supersedes all this biological and physical implications. So you've got to listen to episode number 151 with Dr. A. V. Raju on how fear shapes disease, because that is ultimately king of how your inner biology and fear influence disease. And ultimately, we've got to transcend this EMF. So thank you so much for listening. Remember to check out the show notes. Remember to join Defender Shield. I mean, it's such good products. You can get 10% discount with the code VITALVADE. Check out the show notes for the Ab Younger guide. Get yourself air tubes. I cannot recommend them enough. If you know anyone pregnant, the best gift you can give them is a belly band. Just start shielding more and let us know what you think of this episode. Please share it with a friend. People got to listen to this. People who are putting phone next to their head, using Bluetooth wearables, having the Wi Fi on at night when they don't need it anyway, they're asleep. So in this episode, share it on Instagram, tag Vital Vader, tag Defender Shield. And until next time, much love.