On this episode of Estimate Rocket Radio we are joined by Nick May of Walls By Design in Denver, Colorado. Nick is a successful painting contractor, business educator, and host of the Pro Painter Podcast. Over the years Nick has watched new businesses come and go, and he has learned a couple things about the type of business owners that ultimately succeed: 1) they learn from pain, and 2) they build systems. Nick talks with us about how business owners can break the stress-to-stress cycle in business ownership, and he discusses how necessary it is to be able to get away from your business from time to time to course correct and actually enjoy what you earn.