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In this episode of the LSCRE Podcast, Craig McGrouther sits down with Patrick Grimes to unpack why he moved away from speculative investing after losing everything in 2009 and how that experience reshaped his entire approach to risk.

Instead of “big flips and big gambles,” his focus is on being hyper-diversified and cross-collateralized, investing at just 10–30% of collateral value rather than the 60–80% commonly seen in real estate. The goal is simple: underwrite with a high degree of confidence and build downside protection into every deal.

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