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I don't know"},{"speaker":"Thomas Mooney","startTime":3365.43,"endTime":3369.93,"body":"just in case he does. I don't"},{"speaker":"Thomas Mooney","startTime":3365.43,"endTime":3369.93,"body":"think he will. Because during"},{"speaker":"Thomas Mooney","startTime":3369.93,"endTime":3372.93,"body":"this interview that I had with"},{"speaker":"Thomas Mooney","startTime":3369.93,"endTime":3372.93,"body":"him. He said he listened to just"},{"speaker":"Thomas Mooney","startTime":3372.93,"endTime":3376.86,"body":"a Spanish music. That's crazy."},{"speaker":"Thomas Mooney","startTime":3372.93,"endTime":3376.86,"body":"Yeah, because he couldn't. He"},{"speaker":"Thomas Mooney","startTime":3376.86,"endTime":3378.66,"body":"didn't like anything on the"},{"speaker":"Thomas Mooney","startTime":3376.86,"endTime":3378.66,"body":"radio."},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3378.69,"endTime":3381.0,"body":"I totally believe"},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3378.69,"endTime":3381.0,"body":"that I opened for him a couple"},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3381.0,"endTime":3385.62,"body":"of times, when I was younger."},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3381.0,"endTime":3385.62,"body":"And a couple years, like maybe"},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3385.62,"endTime":3388.65,"body":"six or seven years ago in San"},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3385.62,"endTime":3388.65,"body":"Angelo, I opened for him. And"},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3388.65,"endTime":3391.74,"body":"after the gig, he was like, oh,"},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3388.65,"endTime":3391.74,"body":"man, you young guys are all good"},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3391.74,"endTime":3394.53,"body":"looking and talented. I should"},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3391.74,"endTime":3394.53,"body":"just shoot all y'all. And I was"},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3394.53,"endTime":3397.02,"body":"like, ah, shut up. Billy Joe,"},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3394.53,"endTime":3397.02,"body":"you're the legend. You know,"},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3397.53,"endTime":3400.38,"body":"five years later, he shoots"},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3397.53,"endTime":3400.38,"body":"again a face for telling him to"},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3400.38,"endTime":3402.87,"body":"shut up. I was like, Oh my God."},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3400.38,"endTime":3402.87,"body":"He said he's gonna shoot me. And"},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3402.87,"endTime":3405.66,"body":"then I told him to shut up. Like"},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3402.87,"endTime":3405.66,"body":"that could have been his closest"},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3405.66,"endTime":3409.2,"body":"I will ever be to sudden in"},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3405.66,"endTime":3409.2,"body":"permanent depth. Like they could"},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3409.2,"endTime":3410.79,"body":"have been, of course death is"},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3409.2,"endTime":3410.79,"body":"permanent. But"},{"speaker":"Thomas Mooney","startTime":3410.91,"endTime":3414.72,"body":"yeah, yeah."},{"speaker":"Thomas Mooney","startTime":3410.91,"endTime":3414.72,"body":"That's pretty fair. Yeah. I"},{"speaker":"Thomas Mooney","startTime":3414.72,"endTime":3417.93,"body":"don't know. I think that's good."},{"speaker":"Thomas Mooney","startTime":3414.72,"endTime":3417.93,"body":"To end on right there. That's"},{"speaker":"Thomas Mooney","startTime":3417.93,"endTime":3420.81,"body":"why I'm still here. We're coming"},{"speaker":"Thomas Mooney","startTime":3417.93,"endTime":3420.81,"body":"up on an hour. All right. I"},{"speaker":"Thomas Mooney","startTime":3420.81,"endTime":3422.13,"body":"don't know if you want to keep"},{"speaker":"Thomas Mooney","startTime":3420.81,"endTime":3422.13,"body":"on talking"},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3422.16,"endTime":3424.8,"body":"to you know me."},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3422.16,"endTime":3424.8,"body":"I'll talk to you for five hours."},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3424.8,"endTime":3427.95,"body":"And that's probably the last"},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3424.8,"endTime":3427.95,"body":"thing you want to do. Oh, I"},{"speaker":"Thomas Mooney","startTime":3427.95,"endTime":3428.43,"body":"don't care."},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3429.029,"endTime":3431.159,"body":"Yeah, we'll call"},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3429.029,"endTime":3431.159,"body":"it I really enjoyed doing this"},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3431.159,"endTime":3436.559,"body":"man. I like I like talking with"},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3431.159,"endTime":3436.559,"body":"you. And I don't know how many"},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3436.559,"endTime":3440.639,"body":"people recording a podcast and a"},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3436.559,"endTime":3440.639,"body":"Daiquiri bar that is not open to"},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3440.639,"endTime":3444.119,"body":"the public right now. But I can"},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3440.639,"endTime":3444.119,"body":"say for certain no daiquiris had"},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3444.119,"endTime":3449.429,"body":"been consumed and the recording"},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3444.119,"endTime":3449.429,"body":"of this podcast. Yeah. Pretty"},{"speaker":"Drew Kennedy","startTime":3449.429,"endTime":3450.089,"body":"good. All right."}]}