S7E8 - Lessons, Laughter and Connections (From Panels to After Parties): Unveiling our Experience at The 5th Annual Afros & Audio Podcast Conference <Part-2>!!

Have you ever wondered what it's like to attend a podcast conference, especially as an African, Diaspora, or a person of color? Well Sambaza and I's incredible journey at a recent podcast conference will give you the inside scoop as you join us in reminiscing about the electrifying in person experience we had. From celebrating our first IG live with a yogurt shot to panel discussions and lessons learned from our fellow Podcasters of color.

Navigating through the conference, we realized just how rewarding it can be to channel creativity, even with limited resources. As we were confronted with the challenges of securing sponsorships and dealing with budget constraints, we discovered the value of networking and expanding our knowledge - all contributing to unique podcasting experiences. Attending the Afros conference, the importance of making connections and exploring creative advertising on a budget were invaluable lessons on the journey.

Sambaza shares valuable insights from his 1on1 with Amy, our experience with  responsible and ratchet promotion, and the importance of consistency to one's brand. 

We also highlight innovative ways to engage listeners, such as using SpeakPipe to collect voice notes and merchandise for giveaways. 

Finally, what would a conference be without the afterparty? The vibrant energy, the chance to unwind, socialize, and build relationships made it an unforgettable experience. We had a blast creating content for social media, celebrating our journeys within the podcasting world, and gathering knowledge from different communities. By the end of it all, I was emboldened by self-belief, encouraged by the tremendous support from others, and ready to make my mark in the podcasting world and stages.

This episode is a celebration of all those experiences and more, so come, join Sambaza and i on this recap! Also this was our IG-Live which we did on Saturday Oct 28th, The live video is on our IG-Page!

Sambaza is originally from Kenya but has lived in the USA  for over 20 years and is the Host of Sambaza Podcast.

Sambaza podcast strives in its uniqueness as it strives to uplift Africans in Diaspora and the rest of the world bringing out stories that are relevant to our existence.

Transcript

Speaker 1 0:01

Hey shit talkers, welcome back to part two. If you haven't checked that part one, please do so before continuing with part two. Otherwise, enjoy. Thank you to send me my pictures and we'll see you left. Come back and I'll add them. And I was like where are you? And then by the time you responded to me I was like fuck, I ain't walking all the way back.

Speaker 2 0:27

Like I said, paula, from the time I met you to look, you're my sister in crime and everything I look, I'm glued to you. I ain't living you or anything like that. You're stuck to my hip.

Speaker 1 0:43

But that's how it was and I was lucky because some of us are telling me I'm leaving tomorrow, I won't be here. I was like, oh my God, who am I going to hang out with tomorrow? Because literally I was hanging out with some other two other day. It was so much fun because we would just go and he would introduce me to people and I start talking shit to those people and it would just turn into a whole amazing ball and that's. Let's bring it back a bit. Before I left, there was a time I met this guy, the man behind this. Oh yeah, I met him.

Speaker 1 1:26

He was like, wow, if you go up against an Nigerian and that you end up living a Nigerian man who can talk so much shit speechless, you know you're winning in life, because I won, I love being speechless To the extent of, like, bring your shit talking to my podcast now.

Speaker 2 1:49

You know, I told him, you know what. You met your match today. You met your match today because you had him to the point where he was like, oh, they only could say it's you.

Speaker 1 2:04

And then Corey came and Corey was like y'all should be behind the mic on this and we literally took it on the mic. I can't wait to see that.

Speaker 2 2:13

Yeah.

Speaker 1 2:13

I'm waiting to see them.

Speaker 2 2:14

There are a lot of things that happen behind the scenes and this is also one of the things that I always encourage and I'll always encourage people to do If you're going to do the podcast festival right Like after the audio, show up on the first day and meet the people on the first day, because you take off, that, you bring in the familiarity.

Speaker 1 2:46

Right, so now right.

Speaker 2 2:49

So when you get to the conference the next day, it's more like a chilled. You saw each other. You said, like the British, the British people, I met them in the morning when we were at Miss Shirley's for breakfast. So when we're going into Miss Shirley for breakfast I was like, oh, we're having breakfast. They were saying, oh, the British are coming, blah, blah, blah. So we talked and we're like, oh, I didn't have breakfast over there, I had breakfast somewhere else. But the point is we already had a connection morning breakfast. They even say, oh, we should have had the morning session over here. You know, that was the joke. So our interaction started that morning. But had we started the day before, we probably would have been at ease and then would have done more stuff together or talked about each other. And which is what kind of happens at the end of the podcast festival. That's when you start getting close to people who, like we should have done this. You know, like Friday, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 3:47

You say this because when I met Mark last year at Fort Fest, I met him on the last day and Mark was like I should have met you sooner. That's basically for Friday. Then we had the after party because that's Saturday after party. Yeah, we finished all the panels on Saturday. And how was the after party? I didn't stay until the end because you guys were sitting at the far back, where we also came a little bit late.

Speaker 2 4:13

But so what happened was we met up at the end, you know when we went outside, when the whole well, like black people, we got chased out. We came, we had to be told to leave, so we left Actually. I think, there was a panel. There's supposed to be another panel, so the panel was missing. So they had to close down the evening part. So we were outside trying to figure out where we're going to eat, and that's the time we met Rukia and why you keep saying Rukia, rukia. Rukia.

Speaker 1 4:52

You and Rafa sent me out and I was like no, that's not a name, Rukia.

Speaker 2 4:57

Okay, rukia, and then you met Shamika when you Shamika, and so we met them at that time. And then Gerald, gerald too. Then we had lunch. We went to eat lunch at this Mediterranean place called Twist, very nice place. Hey, if we, if you go back, then we probably might explore again the areas over there. It's, it's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 5:26

I feel like next time maybe I'll go one day before so that I can actually cause the hotel was in a nice area by the end of it and get to enjoy the Aba or any shit, cause I was just yeah, If they're going back there again, I have to make some some few changes to how I.

Speaker 2 5:44

You know what I liked about the part I could use the scooter, the link scooter. That was my first experience actually. I don't know why I didn't. Yeah, I know I should have, but it was both I was scared, but Don't make Dallas look so bad right now.

Speaker 1 5:58

No, I live in the suburbs.

Speaker 2 6:00

I live in the suburbs so I don't get a chance to do this thing. So when I got there I did the scooter thing. Now I have an app for the scooter thing and I wish I could do it. You know, rolling down the street, you know, like, yeah, I couldn't do that.

Speaker 1 6:12

So did you create content? You should have created content why you want the scooter.

Speaker 2 6:17

I wish I could, but I no. I did a commentary when I got there.

Speaker 1 6:22

As your future social media manager. I'm so disappointed. Everything is content. Everything is content. You writing a scooter Somebody should have recorded you and first time riding a scooter. What I learned from this experience. There you go, and then go check out my next episode, where I will be talking about this experience.

Speaker 2 6:45

Good thing. However, remember, remember what I said show up on Friday, have that connection so that you and you meet people on Saturday morning. You have that, that that thingy where you have some familiarity. So had I done it, had I met people on Friday, maybe I could have told Craig to admit at the restaurant. Hey, craig, craig Digger, the artist right and the podcast, and he's a man of many, many many talents.

Speaker 2 7:16

Right, I probably could have asked him hey, can you video me doing this while you know, coming in and stuff like that, and he probably would have done a small show. Yep, that's the guy. I got it too, see. So you know, so that's, that's something that I could have done, and you're right. So we went on a rabbit hole. We keep doing this, but the whole thing is the after party.

Speaker 2 7:45

The after party was really really cool. Paula the DJ oh, Mr Al P. He said don't call him DJ Al P, Call him Al P. So yeah, he actually did a good job. The music was nice. Hey, Paula, how come you never asked for Afro beats? They played the regular Afro beats. We had a discussion with him about that, and actually this is Paula. Let me tell you another thing that I could not do and I forgot. I always try to get a hot mic, have the mic with me and have it hot. So when I'm, when you meet me and you're walking close to me, just know that the mic is hot. Why? Because I'm going to record pieces of whatever's happening and then cut it off, Because you never know what you might talk that might be of substance.

Speaker 1 8:32

But won't you, won't you doing that? You had your recording.

Speaker 2 8:36

Yes, but then it died too. And then after that I did not, I forgot the batteries. That's another story, but anyway, I like to do that.

Speaker 1 8:42

You know bringing your tools at that place. You need to have your tools.

Speaker 2 8:47

But first time. So next year we're going to do things different, right?

Speaker 1 8:51

And then I probably put a sign Hot mic.

Speaker 2 8:54

I'll probably put a sign Hot mic so people know. Okay, we were having this conversation, we have a hot mic with me and stuff like that. However, the thing is with that, there was Afro beats going on and a little bit of Afro beats and we were having fun, but we were at the corner after the dinner. After the dinner, we came back and we were hanging out and it was. It was nice. They played some nice music. I love the fact that now the podcast is where became became themselves. This was more like wow, oh, they can dance.

Speaker 1 9:30

They won the job of people who already met teachers. I mean, god, it has been a long day. People are just ready to like you know.

Speaker 2 9:40

There were some people, you know they, when they were on stage, they were like you know.

Speaker 1 9:50

They had to prepare for that moment. So for the day they just think about the stage and showing up on the stage and then networking and being their best version. Then, now that that is done, now they're cause. Also those people on the stage, you don't know how many people they actually know in real life on the audience or not. So it's still like everybody. Oh, we might also know each other from social media, but we really don't know. So it's like you're still very thick people, but by the end of the day most people like now we are bad. It's like the energy vibe. So by the time you go to the after party you're completely loose. And it's been a long day for everybody who had already presented that day. They nailed the issue. They're like well, shit is done, I'm good, I can turn up, I can enjoy For real.

Speaker 2 10:38

For real.

Speaker 1 10:38

I came from from. When I entered the door, I went straight to the dance floor. I was on the dance floor with Dominique and the girls and Daniela, and then I was on the front. I literally didn't see you guys, Cause, again, you guys were the fuck on and it was a little bit dark until when they put on the lights and we were leaving. That's when I saw you all and I came and again, me and Rafa out round two, which I nailed it again, I won. I don't know how many rounds I need.

Speaker 2 11:09

We were we were tired. It was a long day, I was tired, but we ended up. We ended up at at IHOP, not Waffle House, but IHOP, not Waffle House, IHOP.

Speaker 1 11:26

I'm just saying that's what we have Just rented a whole Waffle House for Ciara to serve it, you know. But yeah, we planned up. Even my best friend enjoyed he was in a room full of black people for white guy, you know. But but shout out to Walter and Chris for some reason they blended with him, they love each other and they hang out. So then we went out. Of course we went to PBR. Now if we in Atlanta we also have PBR, people were riding bulls and I swear I went and told Anna the next day I was like that was fun. Anybody was out with us at a bull racing. I know there's some guys the bull riding the bull riding a bull. I know there was some guys who took videos. It was fun, it was fucking soft fun. The guy who was controlling the bull, I swear there was this guy.

Speaker 2 12:28

Hands. You didn't see me there.

Speaker 1 12:31

This striped top right and it was like there were handshade, big bulls and a bull over here and boy, she was riding and the top kept on going down and she kept on doing this. And that's when the guy would go and have handshade. And then her bulls were all so big so they kept on. Like you cannot not see. It was literally right in front of you and you're like we were just looking at each other like.

Speaker 2 12:59

That's, that's that's.

Speaker 1 13:00

But the guy you guys, you guys were with, who was with Rokaiya, she went on the, she rode the bull, Nia rode, yeah, she rode, and Nia also rode. Ah, ok, that's why the next day, because right in the morning, you say Nia, it's Naya.

Podcasting Event Recap and Networking

Speaker 1 13:18

Nia, I saw you, yeah. Well, when I got off the stage and she was like I was so nervous, I was like he killed that shit. I was like it was all the bull riding you rode yesterday. It gets you all the confidence. I don't even remember what time we got back to our hotel.

Speaker 2 13:37

No, I was, I was done, I think, at about 12. Well, we said, we said we went and you know what, when we left the party at 10 o'clock, there was a group of like almost 10 podcasts is leaving that place, going out again to have an after after party. And I was like no, no, no, no, I'm I hop. So I went to I hop, we sat down, kind of hung out over there. Ralph came later and he hung out with us again, so we chilled and then after that, yeah, we decided, look, it's time, it's time to time to go home. And that was it I had, I think I had a good time, but the party was nice and Mr Al Pete, yeah, he killed it, and there was no doubt, no doubt we had the best one, the best music.

Speaker 1 14:26

So fucking good. I'm just gonna say, oh yeah, oh yeah, shout out to my homie. He picked the outfit for the night.

Speaker 2 14:35

That's how hard it was. That's how you should do. Yep, that's how you look. You look good, you look good. I'll say that, my sister, my sister, you Okay, sunday.

Speaker 1 14:54

Shout out to Chris, naya and Adele. I love Adele, I love Chris, I love Naya and the fact that she's also in Atlanta. We are going to get in touch and do some it. But there are peers of podcasting, which was presentation, partnership and platforms, incredible information. And I wasn't paying as much attention as I should have because, first, I was late because I didn't want to get out of my bed and, second, I was standing next to Anna and we kept on cracking jokes. And then also my godly, I just walked in who? I met her just less than a month because we were invited on international podcasting day to be in an apologetic summit and we had just connected on that and found that we were speaking at Alpha Zenayut.

Speaker 2 15:44

So when we met each other, I was kind of sort of almost late. Well, I was late like just a bit because we went to some restaurant.

Speaker 1 15:57

I was even shocked to see you, because I thought you were leaving.

Speaker 2 16:00

I thought so and I was like you know what? The morning session was available. So I said you know what? I'll just go for the morning session and be out. And this is where everything just turned and I finished the whole day. However, I was on the top stage and I was having my breakfast while I was listening to the piece of podcasting, and it was really cool. It was cool.

Speaker 1 16:19

All right, what do you learn?

Speaker 2 16:21

from it.

Speaker 1 16:22

As I say, it wasn't paying much attention on that one.

Speaker 2 16:27

Well, for me, like I said, all this is knowledge and, just like you, need to be fed and be reminded of what is really out there. Sometimes the knowledge is the same, but it could be packaged differently, and this is what happens when you go out and meet other industry experts, like, remember when you talked about before that you have to go to these different communities. The information is still the same, but how it's packaged and how they may package it is or marketed to you is going to be different. Therefore, it's imperative that you go back and listen to the same thing. It may be marketing, right, but marketing might be spun differently from the way you're going to talk about marketing and the way I talk about how I market myself.

Speaker 1 17:16

You see, and that's so true because everybody is talking from their experience and stuff, and that's why I only wanted to be there. Yeah, baby, baby, baby, baby. Did you get a button on your sticker?

Speaker 2 17:27

Yes, I did, Paula. You know you need to get me a badge. You gave me this and a coaster.

Speaker 1 17:35

Isn't that a sticker?

Speaker 2 17:36

No, this is the magnet.

Speaker 1 17:40

Oh, the fridge magnet, you see most people didn't get magnets, only few got buttons.

Speaker 2 17:46

Well, I'm not the special one, I guess.

Speaker 1 17:49

No, I actually had a button for you, but the night we went out Saturday night because I had them on the top of next to the TV so that I can remember them and the hassle took. It was like I'm going to support you and you wore the button at night throughout the night and then the next day I forgot to take it.

Speaker 2 18:10

You know what, paula, I don't mind, because I know I'm going to meet you next year. So when I meet you next year I'll have a hat for you and I'll also have a sticker. The sticker, not the sticker, but the badge. Oh yeah, part-face, and what way, right, so we're good. So the piece, so with the piece of podcasting, like I said, all that was great. And then what else did we do? Your friend came from there.

Speaker 1 18:42

I was going in between two so profitable pitch by layer. She teaches you how to pitch like a boss and I love that cause. After listening to Daniel and sponsorships, now I want to learn how to pitch myself so that I can present, and she killed it.

Speaker 2 19:00

But then at the same time, liz, you know you can't forget, you know I can never forget Liz last name pitch like a boss because her last name is Fony. That's the city I'm from and I wanted to tell her. I was like, why are we seeing Fony over here? Is there something wrong? And see, that would have been.

Speaker 1 19:19

You came to that. You were right and I should have.

Podcasting Conference Networking Experience

Speaker 2 19:23

You see, that's the thing. I should have gone up, I think I was going somewhere. I met Zenith. Zenith was an upcoming podcaster from Zambia. Shout outs to her and I'm really hoping for her podcast to show up. Well, and hey, if you're going to listen to this, we're really rooting for you, as an African podcaster, to make it in this world. It is. It was an honor to actually have met you. However, that's the reason why we were leaving. I wanted to go up to her and say Fony, you know, that's your last name. For me is where the city that I live in? You don't see? That would have been my way of introducing myself and getting to know each other, but hopefully I'll get a chance to talk to her some other time.

Speaker 1 20:03

Oh my God, that's the guy who I just done a summit with her and I'm supposed to be a guest on our podcast in a few weeks. But I was rushing from that one while also trying to support my boys who actually is very amazing to my boy and I also really wanted to learn about marketing because you know, I'm big on brands and I want to know how to constantly market my brand. So they had the panel content creation, blueprint, marketing and promotions for independent podcasters and that was Chris and Walter. They did an amazing job and I am definitely going to work out planning on meeting up and talking and just figuring out and I also be reaching out to Chris, who has been an amazing person to get to know. And since they were the first people I was talking to, from that Friday night when I met them at the lobby and the funny thing is Walter, a month ago he was doing pod tours, so they've been going around. They had gone to Houston the last Houston, austin and they did Orlando, they did Vegas, they came to Atlanta. So when we went to Atlanta, walter was also that meeting. I saw him but we didn't talk.

Speaker 1 21:31

And then the next day, when we went on the recap call with Port Pell's. Then talking about it, I saw what I was like. So when we were with Walter on that, I reached out to him because he's also on a different group with Mark and Lloyd and Simone. I was like it's such a small circle. I was like you're also speaking at Afros, I'm also speaking at Afros, I'll see you there. So it's like, oh my God. I was like we are meant to work or collaborate together because we keep meeting each other in a span of a week. So nice to see you guys.

Speaker 2 22:07

Yes, nice to see you.

Speaker 1 22:09

So I was in between them, which also made me miss much, but again, because they are not and was like a pitch, like a boss, we're going to constantly talk that's a connection I made, but also I'm going to reach out to them and just because these are all, I hated that. They were all two things I really wanted to pay attention to, but they were all happening at the same time.

Speaker 2 22:31

Yeah, because I remember you left and then you had to leave and you had to go, and then I was like, okay, then you came back and finished with her kind of have had a conversation, and I think I was with Zenith, so we had to go back upstairs because, also, I think we also what was that last one before yours? There was a presentation.

Speaker 1 22:53

A desk topia.

Speaker 2 22:55

The guy from it? Is he from Atlanta?

Speaker 1 22:59

The stop was on Saturday.

Speaker 2 23:01

No, it was on Sunday. You was on Sunday. No, you was on Saturday. Do you miss that? So we missed that. Talking about Saturday yeah, that was also a good one Because I didn't go.

Speaker 1 23:14

I told you I left after I didn't go. That's what you missed.

Speaker 2 23:17

Yeah, and I was Amy too, because Amy was sitting right next to me with that and, yeah, it was a really nice another. Again another, what do you call it?

Speaker 1 23:32

network, but then I know them from podfests this year. I met them at podfests this year and then I met because one of his later half and not relationship-wise, business-wise is in Atlanta. I was also with him at the podfests pod tour meetup.

Speaker 2 23:50

Oh see, and this is the thing, once you get around to doing this, this podcasting with other podcasters, you actually create a nice network of people who tend to help you out in the future. So, on the last, so now, next was yours, right After doing that.

Speaker 1 24:04

No, before that, I actually missed that on how to build podcast leadership brand that attracts raising funds who are dying to support you. I wanted to get to that because it's so good to know how do people get this return listeners like how do I make people fun? But I missed that because after these two, I went to have lunch and I was actually nervous and I was sleeping. I was tired. I wanted to go take a nap. I also wanted to attend Anna and Adele's, which was when the two media companies collided the power of collaboration, which I enjoyed. I learned some now that people really underestimate the power of collaboration.

Speaker 2 24:54

I swear so I'm going to remember on the collaboration. Not everybody is good for you Exactly.

Speaker 1 25:02

Yeah, just like anything. That's why that entire statement you're not for everybody, everybody's not for you it includes in everything, even in your personal life, not just podcasting, not your business, even in your personal. That's why they tell you when you just feel somebody's right is not right, they don't belong in your circle, don't become friends. It's just going to be fucked up drama and you're going to be like oh my God, why the fuck do I?

Speaker 1 25:27

no, you've got it on your own. So after that I know I didn't go for the ICAM. You come, we come. The ICAM is only for people with MacBooks. So I was like I don't have a MacBook, I don't know, I don't need to know. And I've had them before. They've also been a part of podcast. I'm like I'm not going for that one.

Speaker 2 25:47

You really experienced this in this, like I think, and that's why I think I need to attend the podcast, because it seems like you, you have more knowledge with the people your your to be honest, our process is really small.

Speaker 1 26:03

You saw it. You like podcast is big. Like we won Guinness World Record for the most attended virtual conference for 2021 and 2020, like 2020 and 2021. That's how big it is and that was virtual. So when we opened up back, when I tell you we have an entire hall where it's normally, you know, where people hold their weddings. Imagine this, the biggest hall. That's where we put they, put all their sponsors. You just keep going around and then in the middle and you're also.

Speaker 2 26:39

You're also you're, I think, at that one you're also doing something. You were, you were recording your people right At the at the podcast, right, right, okay.

Speaker 1 26:50

Yeah, you get live interviews. You get all the sponsors like mass sports, you capture us and you this podcast. You all the sponsors are there. And the good thing I like about podcast I normally end up coming back with so much shit cause all the sponsors are giving out shit. Like you know t-shirts, you mass, you coupons, you pants, you ball. Like it's half of my suitcase is always freebies of what I came back, but it's normally big, it's not. That's why I can't compare it to that for the now. Just, I mean this people celebrate in the 10th year in the USA. They've been building this for longer. Alpha is still growing.

Speaker 2 27:30

This is their fifth year actually.

Speaker 1 27:32

Yeah, but they're still growing.

Speaker 2 27:33

But I also.

Speaker 1 27:34

I also like it, but because also it's black community, so you can't compare with competing with somebody who's for everybody compared to I mean I mean I'm not saying you're not, if you're not black, you can't come to Alpha as you can. But it's catered for black community, for our people and for each other to help and support and see each other. So we still work. But also I love that I got to feel how a smaller conference feels, cause I've just been used to portraits and be the conference, so it was.

Speaker 2 28:08

I can't imagine how it's going to be, because if I, if I was intimidated by the way the Africa part first was with that small thing, you're trying to fit myself into everything and learn everything, I guess I'll have that's my experience. I'll have to learn how to tailor myself to know, okay, I want to be doing this, this, this, this works for me and this doesn't work for me. And then, after that kind of you know, I learned and hey, smm, social media manager, is going to be with me. So hey, I don't have a problem, you, you're going to be there, you're going to help me out.

Speaker 1 28:37

So hey, you know you navigate cause. My first time I got overwhelmed cause too much, a lot and I'm an extrovert and I should kill my ass. But but I love Alpha and I just cause. It's also very intimate, like you are, so you're not a big crowd, you actually get time to nurture those relationships, learn from people and be around your own people without whining Like, oh my God, I say nigger, this person's going to take it, we are. Oh my God. They say fuck you. You know, as a way we speak, the way we, you don't have to feel like am I making somebody uncomfortable, they get it.

Speaker 2 29:15

So I love that and it's also by the way, let's also remember this it was very inclusive cause we had all people of different, different genres, of different, you know, religion. There was no discrimination Everybody was was there.

Speaker 1 29:35

We had Indians, we had Jews, we had Muslims, we had Christians, we had. Everybody was welcome. Even my white friend was there.

Speaker 2 29:45

Shout out to whatever.

Speaker 1 29:49

Shout out to Talib and the entire app is in the Black Podcasting Association Cube. Everybody was there. It's for for that.

Speaker 2 30:01

Do you know they have? Oh, do you know, podastic have a, have a TV thingy. They have a here. They have something that's coming up.

Speaker 1 30:11

It was giving out the flyers like now I'm an actor too, I act. That guy made me laugh. I'm very curious about like I really want to check into this and see how cause I need I need SEO help asap. So I'm excited about this one.

Speaker 2 30:29

Me too, me too. So now, next I'm going to talk about you.

Speaker 1 30:33

Wait, and wherever, wherever this, hey queen, I love.

Speaker 2 30:39

Oh yeah, yeah, I did, I did get this and comparison.

Speaker 1 30:42

By the way, this is the after the, now just one, and then, oh my God, I had this one. I love this one. Where is it? Do you get this? Yeah, the cube.

Speaker 2 30:55

What was? What was this thing about the cube? I think I need, I need to have them come, and then we we kind of have a conversation about this.

Speaker 1 31:01

It's a platform, it's a network as well, it's a media company.

Speaker 2 31:05

I know, but I never got to experience it. See what I'm telling you about.

Speaker 1 31:09

I met them for the first time last year at Fort.

Speaker 2 31:12

Fest and then they also did a roadshow about, about the stuff.

Speaker 1 31:16

Yeah, they went on tour, oh I gotta say hi, I like this one, yeah, it's more sauce, it's more sauce, and then it says it kickbacks for podcast.

Speaker 2 31:26

Oh yeah, yeah, I have that in another, in my other bag, because I had so many bags here.

Speaker 1 31:32

And you remember when I couldn't figure out what this thing was until we went to the lunch and we were like oh, this is simple, cars, yes.

Speaker 2 31:43

I mean.

Speaker 1 31:44

I mean it's right over there.

Speaker 2 31:47

That's what. After the lunch, that's when we were like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what. That's what it meant.

Speaker 1 31:51

And then, of course, I like the bio pic.

Speaker 2 31:56

That'll be on the. Yeah, I have it on the others on my other bag, because I picked up a whole lot of stuff and I was like wait two bags. So I think now let's talk about your, your presentation.

Speaker 1 32:10

Now let's talk about you all know what this car is for.

Speaker 2 32:14

So I gotta, we, we gotta start off. Let me start off by introducing Paula and shout out to you for having that panel. You are so scared about doing this panel and I think everybody should be scared. You should not be like very confident going to it because I think you probably be making, making mistakes. But when you're scared you kind of have that idea of I gotta follow this script. But I like the way when you got into it you say, oh, throw away those cars and then went. I can't say you, I can't say you went wrong. You went comfortable and you did quite an amazing job. Shout out to you and the panel was great. You had good people.

Speaker 2 33:05

Rokea, and who's the other guy? The other guy who? Reginald yeah, Reginald yeah, Reginald yeah, Reginald yeah, Reginald yeah, Reginald yeah, Reginald yeah, he did great. And I liked the part where he started off and he said about the disclaimer that got him into trouble or something like that. But on Twitter, right? So there are a lot of things that I heard and remember I was supposed to leave and I said I'm not going until I listen to Paula and I actually cancelled the clip that has been going on on my Instagram where I posted shout out to some guys, this is the one that took that clip for me.

Speaker 1 33:48

I was like, okay, if you're going to stay for just the beginning, can you capture my beginning of my talk by coming back and saying to the rest of it I appreciate you.

Speaker 2 33:57

Hey, anything for my sister.

Speaker 1 34:00

And here's the thing. So that panel I've been on a panel. I was on a panel this year at Fort Fest and again I was nervous as hell. I should have five minutes to be late. But at least this one I was prepared. That one I had not.

Speaker 1 34:18

I didn't know I was going to start to worship after I got to my shift, just came out. But this one it was because, like yo, I'm leading, I have to start. I don't have to just sit there and wait for people to answer, for me to answer. Like, I have to control this conversation. I have to control the audience. I have to make sure that audience are fighting with us. That's the first pressure, right? Especially when people are putting time to come and listen to you, you better entertain them at some point, right? So the entire weekend I didn't even think about it, to be honest. But the amazing part is anybody who met me and these were people, some of them knew me from online and some people were just spent a few hours with me Everybody was telling I was nervous.

Speaker 1 35:03

I was like you're going to be fine, look at you. You got this Like nobody was ever doubting that I was going to lose my shift. So that was pressure added because everybody was believing in me and I'm like you don't even know me. How are you putting so much believe on me, like Dave? But then, even when so the night before, actually before the party, the reason we were late? Because Matthew was on the call, so while he was on the phone I was standing there on bed going through my cards because we had already talked about it, right and wait. So what was?

Speaker 1 35:40

the next thing Shut up. Let me tell you. So I put every question we had. We didn't know which questions we were going to ask. They were leaving that to me. They were like Paula go.

Speaker 2 35:53

I bet he high sugars.

Speaker 1 35:54

Go raw, like we don't need. I know the questions are numbered, but you can ask number five is number one, whatever you feel. So I wrote all the questions and then at the mark, I wrote my points of those questions in case I forget something. So I had the cards and I was like I'll go through them, you know and you know. So when he was on the call, I looked at the cards and I was like, let me go through them. So I was reading and as I was reading I finally clicked. I finally knew how I wanted to start the conversation and next thing, matthew is on a business call. He just says fuck, he's like I rushed to the bathroom and then I put on the tap water to flow so that he can't hear the noise and I go through the panel presentation, welcome. Like I do the whole skit and I finish and I'm like fuck, I know this.

Speaker 1 36:56

So when I walked into the party I had so much confidence. Like as soon as I walked in, the first person I met was Janicea, was my, my, my partner met and I hadn't seen her yet because, rokai, I had already met her and she goes hi, paula, I'm like Janicea, I know this. And she's like what do you mean they must be? Before I could even talk much, because she was shouting in the bathroom Like I feel like she finally figured this shit out. I'm like, paula, we, we had trust in you, we believe in you, we knew you got this. I'm like I know you're new, but I didn't know.

Speaker 1 37:28

And then I partied and everything. And then tomorrow came, sunday, that they actually have to be on the stage. You saw me. First I was sleeping tired and second I was like what the shit Now is? The time kept on getting closer. My stomach started. So Matthew was like let me come and pick you up, let's get you to eat something. I went too high up. I'm looking at the menu. I'm like what if I have to go shit in the middle of my panel because I decided to eat this? Or what if?

Speaker 2 37:57

I actually puke.

Speaker 1 37:58

I was like I ain't eating shit, I'm drinking tea. I literally drank tea, not even coffee Tea, and I even left Matthew in the middle of his lunch. I was like I gotta go. I'm going to walk and clear my head. Matthew was looking at me like should I even come to this shit? Did we waste our money? Because I don't know the way you're acting. I'm even worried about you right now.

Speaker 2 38:23

No, but you did.

Speaker 1 38:24

You did great the best part for him, because he never listens to my podcast. He has never seen me around this, but he will help me pitch my come up with my elevator page. He'll help me get my shit together. He'll listen to me talk about my panel ideas, my presentation ideas, any idea. So for him to actually see me this weekend, like I remember, I never understood it, even though I supported it, but seeing you this weekend around, your fellow podcaster, seeing you on that stage, seeing you do your shit, I have all different respect for you and actually was like, oh my god, now can I sponsor my shit so I can get, like you know, a studio and all that shit.

Speaker 2 39:17

And Paula, the way the conversation went and the topics that you had and the panel that you had all that as a moderator. You actually had them comfortable. There's one thing and you only met them the first time, but when you got on stage you made them comfortable to, whereby they were able to express themselves so well, which is a very hard thing to do, especially when your meetup is just one day or maybe 24 hours before you met them. And then you did something that you had practiced before and that's something that you should put into your resume.

Speaker 2 39:56

And actually because people don't get that chance. Some people are unable to get a conversation going from others like that, and that was a great panel that you did and you moderated and a great panel of people you had.

Speaker 1 40:08

Thank you. We actually met twice, but on Zoom, like just to go through. The first meetup was like, okay, we have been putting a panel. Who are you, what do you have, what do we want this panel to be about? And then, everybody, we just made a Google Docs. Everybody was just dropping information. Then we met again to just kill it. Like, these are the questions we picked. This is the floor, this is our title. All right, do we need another meeting? No, fuck, no See you all at the after. So it really was.

Speaker 1 40:38

And the thing is I knew in my head as long as I started it, because even the cards don't matter I had to make sure I was listening, because if I'm asking a question and then like how you see the conversation ended yes, I had a specific question about content trigger and warnings and it was supposed to be number five on my talk. But right after I asked the question a different question it led to content warning and triggers. So if I was paying attention to the cards, I would have skipped that and then brought it back, but sometimes it's all it takes is listening and just connecting with the floor. Yes, the cards, even when I have conversations on people on my show. I do have questions prepared, like the.

Speaker 2 41:29

Polar, that's preparation. That's what's called preparation and you are what they call a level two podcaster. If anyone goes to listen to the next podcast I'm going to do when I talk to Dana Seder, who's on SimaBox and he was talking about African podcasters, especially specifically African podcasters. There's a level one and level two. What you were talking about is the level two. You are that part of the level two podcasting where you prepare your notes. You have that. Maybe I'll put it at level three because you're not going with oh so number one, number two, number three. No, you have them in your mind.

Exploring Moderation and Public Speaking

Speaker 2 42:06

What you had to ask and you knew that you had that question about trigger warning, but somewhere along the line, if it came up on part two, you put it in organically and continue with it so that you take it off from three. Now it's come to two, then you're still throwing three there, but two is going to move to three. So it's still in the part of the whole process, but you're listening to the other person and then it flows. If you do that part where you are one, two, three, four and go work and that's what I liked about you and I think that was a part when you said, oh, we go this, I'm not using these cards.

Speaker 2 42:43

You put them on the side and you say you know what, we're gonna do this. And that was the part where I, when I was back and I think that's the time I came back and I was like, look, I gotta finish this, this thing, what I started. And when I got back, I saw you say that and I was like Paula, you got this, we gonna have a good show. And it was nice, you know.

Speaker 1 43:03

They were showing me the time and I was like, okay, there's specific, certain specific things I need To have. And then I, when I looked at the card, the next question it was gonna be longer and you saw my partner is, those motherfuckers also can talk. So it wasn't like people are gonna give you one, one line of an answer. So I was like, fuck it, let me go to the one that will really bring us home. And the most important part, even but, as I was saying about my poke, even even math was like the biggest Take away you should have is the fact that you guys ran over time and people were still sitting and engaging, that we were told like, yeah, your time is up, but we have friends in this break you can stay and use, or. And people stayed and people continue asking questions and we continue engaging to the exit.

Speaker 1 43:55

Well, I think so we gotta shut this out. We literally took 20 more extra minute, only 10 more minutes before the other shit started, while people supposed to have their 30 minutes. But for me that was like, yeah, this is such a blessing. It shows that we do have Shit for your guys to hear you're engaging with that, because we might have. Like, what if I wrap this up and ask any questions and there is no question? That was my most Feel. I would never do that, okay. Well then, thank y'all, bye.

Speaker 2 44:29

I don't think. I don't think you're gonna have that. Remember, paula, the Attitude you had, the vibe that you brought from the beginning to where everyone really wanted to see. Hey, dominic Even sent you stuff and was telling you, hey, you killing it On the as you, as you're doing the panel, is that great. I mean, when you have somebody actually in the, in the stage, writing to you and telling you, hey, you know what you're doing, a great job, keep going on. You know, look.

Speaker 1 45:05

Catch my next comedy, but I swear Running that panel made me feel like y'all I can make motherfuckers love. I need to try comedy. I might be sleeping on my skills.

Speaker 2 45:18

You are, you are, and I think I'm thinking that you should be moderating more and more and I hope that you become part of it. Like you become like one of the like, one of the main main social panel, being in the panel on and on. Like you, we also talked about like next year we should go on a panel and talk about our ass as the Aspera African podcasters link that and be be together. Hi Eve, hi Mimi.

Speaker 1 45:49

Nice to join us and the she is. So here's the thing I've done a panel of, moderated a panel, and next year I'm doing my own, kind of like a teddy, but it's not a teddy, it's called Pecha kucha. It's a five-minute present talk. So I'll be doing that at Fort West and then Might be doing a surprise panel at Fort West. It's still under wraps, but I'm enjoying this and I even told put for some like y'all. I told them I'm ready to volunteer and if they're looking for moderators to Drop in, hit me out, cause I feel like I want to explore the moderation world a little bit more and I don't want to do it in a club house section. I want to do it like in life. I want to be a moderator live on stages.

Speaker 2 46:38

But that's how you progress, breaking my virginity.

Speaker 1 46:41

I even I even had. I was like thank you for breaking my virginity today.

Speaker 2 46:49

It's and it's a nice experience. Remember, remember again, nice First, it's a first. Mine was a first time attending it, right, and I think with you, when you start doing the moderation and moving to moderation as part of your Skills and experience, you will become more and you could do public speaking, see. So it starts off here With the small and then you keep building up on it and even as a podcast, right now you we're moderating each other by our talks. Right, we know the cues and everything and look, it's an experience. You learn like that. You keep moving on and, hey, sky skies, not even the limit. You got, you got places to go, girl.

Speaker 1 47:29

That's why I because I do want to eventually take ten next stage like that so I knew I had public speaking issues like I get shy in public, and I know I have to be comfortable. So I started. Since I joined port first in 2020, I started with case study presentations where I can either record myself or put my slides in my voice. So I've done for a podcast for case study presentations a purpose when they do their mini For first. And then I was like, okay, let's go do picture. I was supposed to do picture Kuchila's table. Shit happen and I had to drop out last minute.

Speaker 2 48:10

African name or what is picture.

Speaker 1 48:12

Japanese oh. You should go go. I thought it was.

Speaker 2 48:21

I thought it was something that you added on from Tanzania to them and gave them that's a picture. I was like, okay, this Tanzanian thing, okay, come back to Japanese, all right.

Speaker 1 48:32

Yeah, it's kind of like a Teddits but a five-minute talk kind of shit. Okay. And then I Did a panel this year. I Was like, okay, I've presented enough a purpose. I'm comfortable with purpose because they know me. So like, let me try other places where people don't know me. That's why.

Speaker 1 48:52

I wanted to try out flows. I tried out, was I nailed that motherfucking shit. Now we're just gonna keep up. So it's, it's all about pushing yourself, and these little goals, these small goals, are leading to the big goal that I have, which is that Question was there a difference?

Speaker 2 49:10

Did you? Did you feel a difference? Okay, how did? What was your take on on this model, on this particular one of a frozen audience? And was there a difference between the last, the others that you've done right, considering that the communities are different and this one? What is your take on?

Speaker 1 49:27

Cuz, even if I might was like man. Can you, can you quit on the fucks that it was like a lot. I'm like it was because also the environment. I am, when you're right, your fellow black people like it's so easy to talk and cast. It comes naturally like you have to kind of, but then it after us because I know they are kids as well. They did not see them.

Speaker 1 49:46

One child that offers an audience, but at Port Fest we have kids from last. This Arab guy he is called I Yogi, with them Lamborghini as a Lamborghini lives in Dubai and is a content creator. He came with an entire interaged to put face like video cameras and all this and on, and One of his friends who was also speaking His wife just had a baby and the baby was three months old and the baby was there too. We have kids who are 11, 12 of traveled all the way from UK to come to put. So it's. It's a community where you never know who's on the stage, so I don't cast as much like. I'm very careful with the way I talk and present to make sure everybody's.

Speaker 2 50:36

Can't say you're not like. We see my ish.

Speaker 1 50:38

But I sense my ish, but I sense my ish. And then it out was there's no sense in quacking shit.

Speaker 2 50:45

No, but you know what? There are kids there on the second day. They were kids. I think it was Amy, not Amy, one of the panels in the morning. Uh, crystal, it was crystal nine. And who was the third? The third person? Adele's kids were there. I.

Speaker 1 51:03

Did not see them, but anyway, that's, that's that's besides, besides the story. Okay, so the takeaway was that right also just Looking in in my in the crowd and seeing so many of my people yes, it's you. You should get more active about this.

Speaker 2 51:23

Yeah, we, we pepper, we got to get our, we got to get our, our, our, our diaspora and diaspora podcasts to actually show up and do something, you know, and I think that's that creates.

Speaker 1 51:40

And I mean we shared a right to to this thing, which was a very fascinating right, and we talked about a lot of that. We have a lot of work to do. Well, you do.

Speaker 2 51:50

Oh man, look, I have there's. There's a lot we're going to do. There's a lot of stuff from this, from this meet up and this particular festival. There's there's a lot of work that we have to do. I have a lot of work to do also with SEMA box from Kenya. I'm part of their creation, a creator of SEMA box. So we have a. We have to have some meetings and kind of work with them, and then I still have to work with you guys as diaspora and podcasters and that collective pod pod pod break.

Speaker 2 52:23

So, paula, these are the things that we need to work on and that's what I was saying, from where we are now to where we'll get to next year, hopefully, when we go back to Afros and audio.

Speaker 2 52:33

We will be, you know, we will be great At what we're doing and be running stuff much better as African diaspora and podcasters, and then we will create our space and when we come up together with with all these, all these other elements and other podcasters, I think we're going to be. We're going to be more visible and, combined with all the knowledge that we're getting from other communities, bringing everything together, oh, we're going to make a great team. We're going to be a great team together, not as just diaspora and podcasters just being inclusive. Right, we probably will be standing out as as people who are part of this greater community. Remember, like we said in the beginning when we were talking about it, we have the advantages of the fact that we have lived in different ways and we have lived in different places like we've came. We came from Kenya, moving to the UK for you, me, the US, uk, all these countries that we've been to, we've learned how to live with different people.

Speaker 1 53:38

So when you bring it to podcasting, that is one of the special talent that I think we're not exploring that that well but true, also, on top of that, mind you, I think sometimes when we start things like that, we want it to be so big, but the number of people don't make it big. I rather have people who actually want to be part of a community, willing to learn, willing to help, support and all that. So if I, if 10 people show up who are willing to do that, compared of having 50 people and only two want to do that, I rather do that. So, as you're planning this, remember as well as much as we want to be inclusive, we also want serious people. So, not everybody is for you. You are not for everybody we. You have to make sure that. Yes, I'm inviting everybody, but I also want you to make sure that you're willing to put in the work to be here.

Speaker 2 54:36

Paula, did I say I was inviting anybody?

Speaker 1 54:38

She said all the experts.

Speaker 2 54:41

No, I said oh yeah, like that. But Paula, remember what I said. I said diaspora and podcasts. I didn't mention about whatever starting. You and I are the community right now.

Speaker 1 54:52

I'm saying diaspora itself. Not every diaspora needs to be a part of.

Speaker 2 54:59

Right, but look at our community. If I'm to say we started Organicl right now, it's you and I, paula. This is our community.

Speaker 1 55:05

Then we have Ralph, then we got Zenith, then we got Sabir, but who said I want Ralph in there? Maybe Ralph is not for me.

Speaker 2 55:17

I hope he doesn't hear this.

Speaker 1 55:19

But you get my point. You should have been here watching us.

Speaker 2 55:22

Right, I'm sure he'll come and get this. But you see, it's all this inclusivity of just the four of us. We're not caring about the bigger numbers. We made it to the festival. Then we'll grow slowly if we need to, but for me, 10, I'm good. I'm good. 10 max, I'm good. 5, I am good as long as there's information circling, like, for example, you and I. I have information from my side, you have information from your side. We meet together and we bond. That's the whole point of all this. We got to bond as podcasters together, starting from Afro as an audio, right.

Speaker 1 56:02

Well, we have actually spent two hours and it's almost going to two hours and a half, but we we went through the entire Afro-Zenaojas weekend. So overall for me, I am glad I went. The amount of networking, the amount of future collaborations, the amount of knowledge, the amount of just being part of a community and belonging was incredible. There is no regrets and I'm already looking forward to Afro-Zenaojas 2024.

Speaker 2 56:34

All right, pick one.

Speaker 1 56:41

What am I picking? Oh, you took the two cards.

Speaker 2 56:44

No, no, you can't say what it was, but you just got to pick one green or yellow.

Speaker 1 56:48

But you have two yellows right.

Speaker 2 56:50

Yes, I have two yellows. I just want to ask you. I'll pick one of the yellows, so pick green or yellow.

Speaker 1 56:58

I'll pick green because I have a feeling I have one of the yellows that you have.

Speaker 2 57:04

Okay, so this was Mary, mary, many lumens, and they are many lumenscom they came, they had something going on, remember they were really cool. I do not know who they were.

Speaker 1 57:16

I follow both Maria and, oh my God, I forgot the boy's name. The girl is such an art, Amazing people. And the Mary Lumens the podcast. They even followed back and they shouted out my podcast.

Speaker 2 57:31

I need to hook up with them because I look at their profile, they are really showing African stories, I believe on our podcast stories and journeys.

Speaker 1 57:38

It's incredible.

Speaker 2 57:40

And they're more on the creative side film producers or whatever. Now, this is what they did. They got quotes and they gave everyone a quote, so you got to pick it up and then at the back is where they had the information, and then the front there are quotes from an episode of someone's episode, they take one quote and then they write the name in the episode.

Speaker 1 58:05

That was incredible, impressive. I need to start doing that for my podcast. I go on and find one specific quote that reflects that episode and then print that.

Speaker 2 58:18

Right. So now I'm going to read it so that we end this. This is from Jason Reynolds. The full episode is called Jason Reynolds. He says I believe that I have 26 letters, 26 letters to put into a multitude of arrangement, to cast a spell. It's like a wildest form of alchemy. It still overwhelms me, the idea, the possibilities that I have with just these characters. Wow.

Speaker 1 58:50

Impressive. I love them. I have two yellow ones and I've already stuck them on my desk on top so that I can see them, Even though I have to pack up and we are moving next month. I don't know why I did that.

Speaker 2 59:05

That's okay.

Speaker 1 59:08

Thank you for jumping and doing this with me. By the way, this is our perspective, our opinions, from our knowledge, and that's why, even when we were talking about the sessions, even though we were in the same session together, we all had different takeaways. We all learned different things. So don't come for us. If you say something you don't like, I'm sorry. We were very positive, so I'm pretty sure you all like that. We should be saying or if you have a different perspective. By all means challenges, you know. Send us a spy.

Speaker 2 59:39

Remember what you said, the only thing that we wanted out of it was that maybe they can do the main stages. They break them out so that we don't have to fight for the main stage. We all come to the main stage and sit down and listen to the main stage, move out and then go to the breakout rooms and then come back. So if we have the main, everybody in the main stage gets an opportunity to be listened to rather than have the few people. So the breakout rooms become where we break into sessions right, but when we come to the main stage, everybody goes to the main stage and listens to what's going on there. So Sambhaza podcast is happy that you, in whatever extended that invitation to come and talk about Afros and audio.

Speaker 1 1:00:24

Before you tell people where they can find your podcast and everything, I have to hook your put your plug in. Come on now, you need to learn how to do this. But anyways, before I remember, right after my panel, I stayed for chorus closing, set a panel and then I left.

Speaker 1 1:00:50

I did not stay for the gratitude ceremony which, at Port Fest, I normally do because it's one of my favorite, but I was really just tired and it was taking forever and I really just wanted to go and smoke a blood, to be honest, which I ended up not doing because Sambhaza was in my car. But did you cut a part of the gratitude ceremony. Did you do a gratitude?

Speaker 2 1:01:18

No, no, I didn't do it. No, I caught a little bit of it and I couldn't go say anything because also, it was towards the end and I was leaving. I probably should have and, like I said, I think we next time, next year, we should say something as the time I normally do for Port Fest.

Speaker 1 1:01:37

But again, I was really just tired and we'll do it next year. And plus because the fact that I knew we had to write to DC and the game had just ended when I finished my panels, I was like it's perfect time, because now it won't be crazy, but it's funny because I say bye to you. And when you say bye because I was like let me make sure I say bye to him in case he still wants to go, but when you didn't say anything, I was like maybe change this mind. You're lucky I was still outside.

Speaker 2 1:02:15

It worked out Okay. So back to say back to Sambhaza. Well, at Sambhaza podcast, I want to thank the Talib just here for doing a great job. After an audio yeah, shout out to you and everybody who was there Black Podcast Association, cube Crate Talks. Okay, I gotta say this talk shit with people. You know I don't curse, so I'm trying as much as possible not to curse Everyone who was there. I really appreciate your coming up there giving us content and giving us gems for anything to do with podcasting and with Sambhaza podcast. You already know where you can find us at all socials at SambhazaPodcastcom, at SambhazaPodcast. Wherever you listen to podcasts, you'll definitely find me there. Or do a search on Google Google is your best friend You'll find me. And one last thing is we're always coming up with series and go out and watch the listen to the latest series. We don't do videos yet, but Paula, now you're getting me out on the video thingy so I might be looking at it, you know. Smm social media manager. Paula is actually my social media manager.

Speaker 1 1:03:27

She's teaching all this stuff. He hasn't given me money yet. I told him to pay me. Say I told him to pay me first.

Speaker 2 1:03:33

Friendship currency. Friendship currency.

Speaker 1 1:03:35

He's giving me titers without the money. Who wants the? Titers Friendship currency there's so much that friendship currency can do my friend At the end of the day.

Speaker 2 1:03:47

We hook each other up. We hook each other up from here. I tell you about this.

Speaker 1 1:03:51

At the end of the day, bills gotta be paid. A girl gotta make a living, alright, alright, thank you all for ending out with us. Thank you for talking some shit with me. You have a great next of your weekend. Bye y'all.

Speaker 2 1:04:05

Alright, bye.

Speaker 1 1:04:35

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