PLEOMORPHISM: our RELATIONSHIPS WITH ORGANISMS

Join us now with an intriguing and fun conversation on pleomorphism, control over health, relationships within the body with organisms and how to balance the micro environment with attitude. 

Dr. Kirk Slagel earned a Bachelor of Science, Master of Education and a Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine. Dr. Kirk Slagel is author of  The Six-Sided Circle.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:12

Welcome, Dr. Splagel. And may I call you Kirk today?

SPEAKER_00 0:16

Oh yes, welcome. Thank you and I appreciate it, Dr. Woolren. May I call you Caroline?

SPEAKER_02 0:21

Oh, you bet. I would love to help you.

SPEAKER_00 0:24

All right.

SPEAKER_02 0:25

But you've helped me so much in learning about pleomorphism. I think I took the course three times because even though it was involved, it really changed the way I looked at things and the way I've helped my patients and my clients. And over the years, I've used a lot of polymorphism philosophy and remedies. And it has actually turned the corner for so many people. Would you like to start and give us some insight as to why I'm so excited about this product and this whole concept and theory?

SPEAKER_00 0:55

Well, I think part of it is that we we tend to struggle with different things along the way in our health. And excuse me, some of the typical processes, medications, or procedures that we tend to do, they seem to get us a certain way, but not completely. And I think part of the problem is because we, whether we realize it or not, we're interacting with a microbial world that's much bigger than we've ever imagined. And there's a basic saying that we have about 10 trillion human cells, and we have 10 times that amount of microbes living on and in us. So before we get kind of grossed out about that, it's important to realize that these things are actually there to help us. And part of the challenges with our health is the fact that these organisms have the capacity to, like anybody else, sort of, defend their territory or adjust to their territory that they're living on or in. And that happens to be our bodies. So when we run into these different health challenges, we have to remember we're not just dealing with some chemical physiology or some kind of process that can be treated with a single substance, but we have other things living on and in us that affect our body physiology and we call our milieu or our internal environment.

SPEAKER_02 2:06

Tell us a little bit more. Are we talking just about bacteria? Are we talking about viruses? What are we exactly talking about?

SPEAKER_00 2:15

The premise of pleomorphism is also called polymorphism. It's not a new term that's been used. It's a term that's common in science, it's current, it's common in microbiology, but it's not commonly provided to most people. You don't really think about going to your doctor and having him or her say, you know, and by the way, you've got these pleomorphic organisms living in your body, because that's something that we don't tend to deal with. So the concept actually goes back way into uh the eight late 1800s, and there was um research, a lot of research being done in Europe because of the different microbiological pathogens that were at least were called pathogens at the time, that were affecting the different population. And what we have to remember is there's always this uh kind of assault on the microbe. You know, these guys, we need to get them, kill them, go after them, whatever. But we have to remember microbes only grow in certain environments. And the environment, excuse me, of our body is whether we keep it healthy or toxic, has an effect on what grows there. So when these remedies were being developed in the 1800s, or the research is particularly being done in the late 1800s and early 1900s, there was a lot of research being done on the microbes. At the same time, the hygiene of that area and era wasn't the best. So we have to, we really have to take into consideration that the garden in which the microbial research was being done in probably wasn't the best garden to be doing it in in the sense of being the purest, cleanest kind of a place. So it would be natural that you would have more, what we would consider more pathogenic microbes living someplace that was kind of a more toxic environment. Does that help a little bit?

SPEAKER_02 3:56

That does. So um I guess the question I have is when we talk about microorganisms and in our bodies, how many organisms there really are, they actually are more of them are helpful and we need them than are unhelpful. And you're saying that the the Malu or the environment of these pathogens or from the classic microbiological world.

SPEAKER_00 4:24

I mean, you would go on from there to a parasite of some sort, and you know, like it be could go it would become a larger kind of thing.

SPEAKER_02 4:30

But there's a hierarchy.

SPEAKER_00 4:32

There's a bit yeah, there's a bit of a hierarchy in this world, in this c I mean, the world I'm talking about is this world of understanding. Um I initially t talked about it from the late 1800s, late 1800s and early 1900s, but I can elaborate further if that would help kind of clarify some of it.

SPEAKER_02 4:48

Let's do that because it's important to know what's in our body. Most people don't think of it. We always are trying to kill everything and go after it. And that's not necessarily what what we're be to be doing. So you explain that a little further?

SPEAKER_00 5:05

Sure. I like to start off. I mean, part of this and the understanding is I often have shared in my class is the idea of a stream. So if you have a clean stream, you have what you would consider beneficial microbes living there. There's always microbes living there, and they're always going to be beneficial. So, because they help actually regulate and support that environment. If something happens that we would call like that would pollute that stream, let's say a deer for whatever reason died and ended up next to the water in the water, all of a sudden that there would be an ingrowth of different organisms that were actually designed by nature to break down that deer. And the goal was to be able to decompose that deer in order to return it back to the environment. Well, in the meantime, you would start to consider if you check the microbes living in that stream, they may might be considered pathogenic. There are whole different strains that are designed to clean up debris or break down debris. So we have the microbes that we talk about, typically the bacteria and the fungi. And the fungi are actually should be some of our best friends in the world because if we really understand their purpose, is they're they're there to help us break down all these different organic matters that are affecting or irritating the system. You don't typically see fungi growing in the woods as far as the bigger fungus that we would see walking along the trail. You don't see them growing on a healthy plant. You see them growing in a place where there's debris. And they grow off of something that has debris or has some kind of non-beneficial level of growth. And the reason being is they live off of that decaying material or that dying material, but the living off of is actually breaking it down into the environment so it becomes simple organic matter. So let's say the deer is decomposing, and once it's decomposed, you go in and test that water, all of a sudden the water supply would return back to similar water quantity, quality, and microbial quantity that was there before the deer died. So those, what we would call pathogens, those bacteria and fungi that came on board of that dying deer, that dead deer, were there for a purpose. Their goal was to help break down that organism, return the organic matter back to the earth, and then once done, there you kind of move along or dissipate back into the environment. So the same thing kind of happens in our bodies. And what was done in the early 1900s, late 1800s, there was a lot of research being done on these microbes and how they manifest in the body. And the microbes are bacteria, the fungi, and in that philosophy, there's actually developmental stages. So the real term of pleomorphism comes through in that these microbes don't just become a bacteria one day or a fungi the next day, but they're actually developmental stages that progress towards becoming a bacteria and progress toward becoming a fungi that are typically non-classified by normal microbiology and normal medical systems of microbiological understanding. So the problem is we've been trained to believe in monomorphism. A bacteria is a bacteria, you know, a staph is a staph, a strep is a strep, and that's just kind of what they are. Or a fungus that you might have, there's you know, candida is very common, so candida living in your body, oh, that's a bad yeast, it's a bad fungus, it lives there. But we're not incorporating along with that same philosophy. These things live there because there's a reason for them to be there. And they actually help. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 8:39

So they're actually cleaning up the debris in our system. And then my and shall I go forward and say then if they're showing symptoms, we show symptoms of having too much fungus, is because we have too much free?

SPEAKER_00 8:55

It's both. What starts to happen is it creates its own cascade. So if you kind of think about a concert, you know, like big outdoor concert, I mean we could go back to Woodstock. I wasn't I wasn't quite there yet in age, but you know, we go to a big concert, we have a big green field, we bring in all this equipment and everything, we have all these people, and then when the people leave, what's been found is debris everywhere. In the meantime, that environment, we have all this debris that's in place. So what happens is we send a big cleaning crew in, and the cleaning crew comes in and cleans up an environment. But while all those people are there, that environment is kind of filled with a lot of debris or toxicity. So the same thing kind of happens in our bodies as we start to develop this imbalance, produce a little bit of debris. The organisms that are normally there say, oh, we've got more available to us, and they tend to proliferate or grow, expand. So then if we don't get rid of that debris, then we get more organisms. And pretty soon the organisms get to such a quantity that the debris that they leave behind actually starts to cause problems.

SPEAKER_02 10:03

I see. So okay.

SPEAKER_00 10:06

Yeah, much like the the much like the concert goers, you know, there's all kinds of stuff left on the ground. Well, you know, we have to remember that these microbes are living beings and they are producing metabolites, they're being threatened by other organisms that are in their territory, so they produce toxins, and they have their own byproducts that they produce that they leave in our milieu, in our system. And if our system is already congested from whatever we've been doing, then it makes it difficult for us to clean that up. So it challenges our liver, our digestive system, our eliminations, our kidneys, lungs, all of those areas that are designed for elimination become challenged. And we with enough congestion, enough challenge, oh, all of a sudden we have an illness or we have a, you know, the existence of eczema, psoriasis, or lung issues, or constipation, or whatever, because these systems start getting challenged and overloaded.

SPEAKER_02 11:00

Well, what is the difference then? Could you explain for everyone, the difference between using medical interventions such as antibiotics versus using a pleomorphic product? What is the difference in actions?

SPEAKER_00 11:17

Well, part of it for me is I have I always try to include, because I think it's such an important part that's often overlooked, is the aspect of our the other part of ourselves besides our physical being. We have intention, we have thoughts, we have emotions, and all of that plays a part in our health. We all know if we get angry, we took a blood test, the hormones in our system would be different than if we were being really happy and you know joyful, and we took another blood test. We'd have different hormonal levels. And so our intention and our thoughts and our feelings have an effect on our biological milieu. Well, the idea is in treating a person, treating a patient is partly helping that person clear out their psychoemotional, spiritual, mental, you know, energetic, all these kind of components, try to help that overall presence start to help clear out the milieu by becoming more grateful, more harmonious, more beneficial, even the tiniest little bit will start to shift hormonal balances. So that also has an effect on our physiology. If we go in and start treating someone, whether it's natural or or synthetic kind of medications or treatments, but all these other systems are still out of balance, you're basically just, you know, not helping anything at all.

SPEAKER_02 12:31

I remember a study many years ago that uh they showed that when you are have positive emotions or feelings, that's your white blood cell count goes up. And of course you need your white blood cell count because that helps fight the blue, the energy, you know, the the debris in the bloodstream. Whereas if you have negative feelings, it goes down. And uh that just answers just explains what you're saying on a very technical level. I mean it it we react, our bodies react to our emotions. And health is more than just eating right, it has a lot to do with how we approach life.

SPEAKER_00 13:12

Correct. Yep. So the treatment processes that we engage in, a lot of people, you know, we get so caught up in our day, I don't want to think about it being so negative and nobody has any interest in getting well, but we get so caught up in what we're doing and in life, and all of a sudden we feel bad, we just want to feel better so we can get back to it and start doing our stuff. And some of that means not, you know, part of the reason we get sick is sometimes to slow down and stop and you know take a break. And if we can kind of recalibrate at that point, help to set the different parts of our being into a better focus, then we're usually in a better place where we can feel better and then improve our health just along the way as well. So this treatment process is, you know, we look at this, and what I'm you know, focusing on what we're talking about today, the symbiopathic remedies or these other products made from pleomorphic microorganisms, it's a whole different kind of concept. Again, I go back to my nature-based uh origin as if we were, you know, a tribe running around in the woods or the desert or whatever, and we would naturally be ingesting microbes on a regular basis. We would clean things as well as we could, but you know in that kind of situation, is it is only so much that you can do. But the point is you really don't need to do that because once you start living in harmony with what's in your environment, your environment lives in harmony with you. So once we became exposed to these various microbes in the dirt or on trees or whatever it was we were consuming or inhaling or rubbing on our skin, we would find them to be friends and not foes. And we'd be harmonically living with them. And so the idea is part of this, we all know about prebiotics and probiotics here, we've got lactobacillus in your yogurt and different things like that, but that's only a small portion of ingesting beneficial microbes. So the idea of these treatment processes is that we're using organisms that a lot are normally found in nature, some are naturally found on our bodies, and we're using them in harmony to help regulate what's going on in our system, either by modulating or stimulating our immune system, or by helping to regulate by creating an awareness in the body, in a sense, of different levels of these um these organisms that have gotten out of balance.

SPEAKER_02 15:29

So that is what the remedies are used for is to help regulate that.

SPEAKER_00 15:36

Right. Part of what happens is that let's say candida is a real common issue, and we know we're we grow up with candida, we have it in our bodies in different places, it's a normal organism. But we start having problems when candida is out of balance. And when candida is out of balance, then candida also produces over 70 different candidoxins. So these toxins get released. Yeah, it's really kind of an interesting SOI. And there's different strains of candida also. So, you know, we have different organisms that live in different parts of our body based on the milieu or the environment that they like. I mean, if you took a you know, you took a piece of corn, I mean, uh like a corn kernel, right? A seed corn kernel, and put it in your pocket and walked around for three months with that kernel in your pocket, nothing would happen. Well, hopefully, probably. But you take that same kernel of corn and you planted in some nice rich fertile soil from Illinois, let's say, and water it and put a little sunshine on it. Next thing you know, you have a corn ear or a corn stalk growing out of the ground. Because that environment for that kernel of corn was in the soil. It wasn't in your pocket. And so the same thing happens with these organisms, they live in different territories on our bodies, in a sense, based on the pH, the temperature, and all the different chemicals and biochemicals that are associated in those areas. So we get some differentiation, you know, certain organisms live in certain places, certain organs live in other places. The reason why that's important is if an organism that's living in one place at a very small level gets out of balance and all of a sudden becomes predominant, all it can show what it'd be like an illness type condition. Oh no, I have strep throat. Well, we always have strep living in us, but we don't have it in abundance in that area of our throat or a reaction to it the same way, and therefore now all of a sudden it's out of balance and it's awful.

SPEAKER_02 17:32

You know, that's a really important point. People think that when they take a medic uh medicine that it's supposed to get rid of the strep, that it's there is no strep left in the body, and that is not true that we it's about balance within the system because even though they could be disease causing, they could also be beneficial at one point. Is that correct?

SPEAKER_00 17:54

Exactly. Yeah, that's so true.

SPEAKER_02 17:58

Well, I I love I guess that's why I love classical homeopathy, is because when you talk about when we are speaking of the mental, emotional, and physical, it's when one gets out of balance the other gets out of balance. It's a harmonial balance that we need to consider and of course the remedies help bring all of that back into balance depending on what is out of balance and that's what we learn to do. But even with a disease that it's expressed differently with each person. I know that strep has its symptoms, but there are other subtle differences uh as to when somebody has strep and how they react to it. So you know, I keep saying you can't go to McDonald's every day. Um even though it might be good for you, I'm not saying it's not, but you know, you just can't go and have food that is generically made for the the whole world at one point and not um put your own love and care into making your own food. There's a huge difference in even the approach to the food. So that's off the subject a little bit, but I want to just emphasize how important it is that how we approach things and how we react to things makes a huge difference in how well we cope with disease.

SPEAKER_00 19:15

Exactly. I mean that's the case with anything. You know, excuse me, sorry. Yeah, uh if we went out and said, you know, like we're gonna move this this pile of lumber from one point to another point, and you're like, oh my gosh, are we really uh here comes the attitude, I don't want to do that kind of stuff, it makes the whole process miserable. Which actually literally, when you think about it, makes the whole process miserable. You feel miserable from doing it. But if you looked at it and said, hey, there's three of us here, we're gonna knock this out, take a few minutes, bang, it's done. Then the whole process doesn't make you feel miserable and you actually have some fun doing it.

SPEAKER_02 19:48

And you remember how much fun you had doing it.

SPEAKER_00 19:51

Exactly. Oh my gosh, that was so hard. We were out there working all day or ten minutes or whatever. But it was a good time, you know, we had fun there, you know. You dropped that board on your toe. Remember that? Yeah, you know, okay.

SPEAKER_02 20:01

So it has a lot to do with your health. I mean, and the bottom line is that we want to make sure that our bulu, our body, and our environment is not the petri dish for organisms to grow.

SPEAKER_00 20:17

That's so true. And this reminds me of a study that I did some research years ago. I was looking up some different studies about the behavior of organisms, and they had a some scientists had taken a strain of E. coli. And now we have E. coli that lives in our body. So we have a strain of E. coli, and it was we considered what they were, you know, calling it non-pathogenic because it lives harmonious with us, harmoniously with us. So they took this E. coli, they grew it in a petri dish, and it was just growing along doing its thing. And they were testing it, it was basically a non-pathogenic organism. Well, then they started threatening it. They they, I'm not sure they did any intentional threats, but they started adding chemicals and antibiotics to this to kind of alter the E. coli and kill it off. And the E. coli actually morphed into a more pathological form of E. coli and started producing all kinds of toxins. So, you know, when things get under threat, I mean, we don't we get upset. I mean, so I you take it back to the broader picture. If we have 10 trillion cells and a hundred trillion, you know, rounded numbers, of course, a hundred trillion microbes, I kind of think there's a little bit of consciousness involved somewhere with these things.

SPEAKER_01 21:29

Oh, they have a memory. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 21:32

Right? I mean, they have this capacity. And we go in and try to kill these things and say, oh, we're gonna kill this, and we're gonna here's this drug, and we're gonna why wouldn't there be some kind of intentional consciousness that you're threatening them? And if so, wouldn't that make them more pathogenic?

SPEAKER_02 21:48

So I think those studies are out there. I think they that it would be nice to accumulate them because I've seen them from time to time here and there, and and I'm sure they're there because we know. Know that that people who are healthy also have an incredible ha attitude towards life. It doesn't you can't take away. So taunt let's how do you personally feel that fear interferes with your health since we're in the midst of it at the moment?

SPEAKER_00 22:18

Yeah, this is a great example. I mean, uh I I just ran out to unfortunately or fortunately, ran out to Costco this morning to pick up a couple things, and I I could have just stayed home and hit myself with a hammer, I think. It was so crazy there. I mean, people are panicking, they're not gonna get enough, there's people, you know, pushing in line, trying to get in front of one another, and it's just kind of crazy that this panic is setting in. Well, what does that do to our physiology? And you can become afraid, you know? And we start to think, you know, I'm being threatened, I gotta protect my territory, I need to grab this toilet paper before you get it. And then that person feels threatened, and they get all defense, and pretty soon we all get defensive and we're putting out energy that's so negative and non-beneficial to everybody. And the other thing is we wouldn't normally go out to the store. I mean, I saw people buying cases of cases of water, or the other day buying, you know, six and seven big bags of toilet paper. And I'm like, you would never normally do that. So when people do that, they actually create scarcity. The scarcity creates that lack of consciousness consciousness, which then progresses into fear, and then all this other stuff happens. And so there when there isn't enough to go around, everybody becomes concerned.

SPEAKER_02 23:27

Well, it certainly creates an environment for the virus to grow, I guess, if you want to do a reduction. You know, it's so fascinating to me how we have the ability to really instantly with our own our own desires, when we take hold of ourselves and quit taking information from someone else and really focus on what we intend to do, we can actually change our life. And there's so many books written about that. But it's absolutely true. And health is a state of mind. It starts with a state of mind.

SPEAKER_00 24:02

I know some people personally, and there's also some people that have gained some notoriety. I mean, Joe Dispenza is one of them. He's done a lot of work, particularly recently, about consciousness and what's going on and changing. But if you read his story of what happened to him and he was injured and bedridden and thinking that he was going to be permanently damaged, but through his own intention, changed his health. So that I mean, that's just one example. I know of many that are like that. And the other thing is you think about when we get into situations, if we haven't learned how to rely on ourself, then who can we rely on when we get into a situation when there is no one to rely on? So learning how to rely on yourself and become what I call self-directed is moving into a position where I can create harmony and balance and beneficial processes in my life, which to me takes us back to the concept of these medicines, is when I start working with something that's beneficial and harmonious. So, like these symbiopathic remedies, for example, that are made from these organisms that have the capacity to change their form or to pleomorph, then I'm not going in and saying, hey guys, I'm going to start killing you. I'm moving into a point where I'm intentionally recognizing, well, I probably haven't been taking care of my body the best. I've been eating too much of this or not enough of that, or not enough sleep, or too much stress, or whatever. So I need to reharmonize myself. I get a little peace and quiet, I get a little quiet consciousness, whatever it might be, and I can take these remedies because I've noticed an imbalance that's showing up as whatever. There's a you know problem with my cough, or there's some skin issue that I had, or there's something in my circulation that's that's shifted. I can go in and I start using these remedies therapeutically, and what I'm doing is communicating on that microbiological interactive level said, hey, no, we're out of balance, we need to get ourselves back in balance and get regulated here. And part of the idea of these remedies and the overall health concept is to bring things back into balance, not going in and trying to kill something. I think that's part of the benefit of these things.

SPEAKER_02 26:05

I think that's a truism across our world. I mean, that's balance is everything. I know that's how I work in my practice. It's about balance because you don't want to go the other way. I mean, oh, just for an example, let's say somebody decides to work on their fear and then goes to love everything without any discretion. There is a balance of discretion. There's balance for everything. So you can actually we have remedies in the repertory of homie pack and recommend for having too much joy.

SPEAKER_01 26:37

Yeah, that would make sense. Right. Too much joy.

SPEAKER_02 26:41

So we work on it we work on ourselves through these remedies, through and I do find that the remedies help bringing the person into balance and therefore, and I have this innate belief, and I've seen it in my practice, that the healthier you get, the more intuition you have for your own self, more insight. So there there you start a journey towards wellness instead of a journey towards illness. And and the remedies have helped many, many people. I'm a really big fan of it. But it's so gentle and the side effects are not there, and they're the only ones that have really helped people over the years that are continually getting, say, a bacterial infection to finally bring themselves to a state they start eating better, and you go, where did that come from? See, it's part of the it's part of the hologram, it's part of the picture. Right. I I'm so excited that you're um working with the company. Uh the the um and and helping other practitioners to know more about these products.

SPEAKER_00 27:48

I'm sorry, me too. I'm I'm glad they're back. And you know, we have these available in the United States. They're uh registered, they have their NDC codes and they're good to go. We um the the symbiopathic products, you can see them online at symbiopathic.com. But you can also, um we are developing the uh a list of practitioners. We have uh different people that can get to them from their health practitioners, either the doctor or different people that do other types of medical practice. They're available kind of, they're they're increasingly becoming available because they're not widespread as much as they could be. The patients can look at them and say, you know, this is it's not going to be as fast-acting as some medication would be, but the goal of these are not to shut down a biochemical process like a medication can, but they work in harmony and and uh they're symbiotic. The name right there is they're working in symbiosis with the body to try to create a balance. And so the goal of these is to um there's two aspects, there's two categories of the remedies. There's several bacterial remedies, they're made from different bacterial milieu. It's kind of like um if you were to make a soup and you were making a remedy from the broth. And so, if you're making a remedy from the from these organisms that lived in that broth, then you're basically taking the materials that's creating problems in the body and you're growing it, and then you're preparing that homeopathically. These are a low potency homeopathic remedy. And by low potency, there are four or five X around that range. And you're telling the body, hey, we need to re-regulate this imbalance. We need to bring a little stimulus to the immune system, we need to pay attention to the candida that's going on in here, or support the gut and with these organisms here. And it's it's a message that's being delivered differently than something like taking lacobacillus or something that would grow in your intestine that would be beneficial for sure, but you're not giving it the same kind of informational energy that you would in a homeopathic remedy.

SPEAKER_02 29:47

No, it reminds me of tissue salts or cell salts, which a lot of people do buy over the counter.

SPEAKER_01 29:52

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:53

They're they're actually your your minerals, just as an example, uh that are already in your body, but you're lacking them where you can't utilize them. And that's the big key, you're not utilizing, they're out of balance. And tissue salts will bring it into balance, but that homeopathic preparation of it in a low potency, I've always believed is the information system to remind the body how to work.

SPEAKER_00 30:16

That's so true. And that's something that's really curious that you bring that up, because that's a there's another correlation with the remedy that people ask about. When Sturchl did that study, you know, and he he basically burnt um the remains of animals down and found out what the 12 minerals were that their bodies consisted of, then it's like that was a commonality with those organisms. We all came down to those 12 minerals, if I remember everything correctly. And that was the commonality. It said, well, you know, you look at humans or you look at mammals, you look at whatever it is, we have certain commonalities. So I get that question a fair amount is how come you know everybody takes this remedy symbiote 40, for example, for gut issues? It's like, well, because that's one of the common organisms to humans that's beneficial for the digestive tract. Much like the shulcher salts, we have common microbes or common microbial forms that are beneficial for different parts of our body, no matter what your condition is, it's still going to be beneficial for you because you're a human and you have an imbalance in that area.

SPEAKER_02 31:16

It brings it back to balance with an information system. And it talks to it. That's the way we go back to what you talked about. You have a different kind of communication with organisms. Because now you see, well, hey, you're too little, we need you, or you're too much, we don't. And how about if we bring you back into balance and we really enjoy your company at the dinner table? You know? It's it's really nice. You know, it's all about our attitude towards every living thing. I talk to my plants, they grow better, so you know, everybody thinks that might be crazy, but it's the truth. I can tell you.

SPEAKER_00 31:47

Well, have you seen uh some of the studies that have come out? I mean, I've been watching some of these plant studies that have been coming out and showing how plants communicate and how they perceive you know the environment. And what's happened is finally gotten technology that can relate to these other organisms type of communication. And that's part of what changes is it's such it's kind of one of those things, it's amazing how much smarter we become when we develop technology to to assess other levels of intelligence. You know, like until that we're like, oh, they're just a plant. Then we find out that we can have a device that can perceive you know plant energy or plant communication, if you will, and all of a sudden those plants are pretty smart.

SPEAKER_02 32:23

I'd love to share something I did last year with with you. Um I had a f I I planted a fig tree because I love figs. And it was a baby fig tree. And he was um we call him my granddaughter called it Mr. Fig. So he's growing and he seems to be very happy with his leaves coming out. But they started developing, getting brown, and and I was really concerned about that, and there was little bugs around it. So of course I take it to the local nursery, plant nursery. And they told me that it's well, welcome to Arizona, it's where we are, and he says, you know, these bugs always come on it, and you're gonna you can't do anything. I mean, you could spray it with chemicals, but that's not what you want to do. You want to keep it organic. Just spray it off and wish for the best. So I took off the dark, the old leaves, and what I did is I took the leaf, a number of leaves, some were not doing so well, and I potenized them. And I didn't process not here, and then gave it back to the plant, and it grew twice as much and it's never had it busy since. So see, what we did is the same thing we're talking about. We're taking we're taking something that's out of balance, and I love the information system because I bring it, I think where bodies respond to that four, five, six, X level anyway. I think that's where we live. Because we eat, we drink, and we walk and success, and I think that we miss the boat that we're not talking on the body's level. And so with symbiosis, which is the basic of the your remedies, is that we're bringing things back again into balance and that too much or too little when you get in balance and you start becoming more intuitive, whether you're a little bit out of balance or not. And you have a lot more control of your environment.

SPEAKER_00 34:07

Yeah, that's wonderful that you did that. I I used to do things like that in my practice when I was practicing. I had, you know, particularly moms would come in that were breastfeeding and they had their, you know, the child had some problems, the baby had some problems, and I'd have mom bring in some breast milk at some point, and she'd bring a little vial, and we would do the same thing and potentize it, and then she and the baby would both take it, and you know, lo and behold, we'd start to put up some of these problems that the baby was having and that mom was dealing with. You can do that with your dog, cat, grass, whatever it is that people uh once you learn how to do those kind of things, you know, you can in a sense make your own remedies.

SPEAKER_02 34:41

Yeah, it's really not that difficult. You just have to follow a few rules. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:44

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, wonderful.

SPEAKER_02 34:46

You can take anything, yeah. Really enjoyed speaking with you. Unfortunately, we can um we have to go now, but I think we should carry on with this conversation as we find things new in our environment that we can talk about. But I think we hit today on one of my key points I'd like to tell people, and I truly believe in, is this whole process of how do we keep ourselves in balance and what part of that is our responsibility and when do we use items that are outside of ourselves to help us bring us into a natural state of balance. And I'm so glad you're back teaching. And I I mean, you just are a phenomenal teacher in my book. I learned so much from you.

SPEAKER_00 35:28

The you know, we go into situations as an instructor or teacher, and I've been teaching for, oh my gosh, 40 years, different kinds of concepts. You know, and you think, well, you walk into the teacher, but I'm one person and I have a group of people sitting in front of me, and I learn more from them than their presence and their situation and their questions make me think more about what I'm trying to accomplish than anything I've ever gotten. So I always feel like whenever I go into a teaching situation, I've got a whole bunch of teachers in front of me, and I'm the student, and I'm trying to see if I can get as much as I can because I got very little time to interact with these people. So Yeah, it's a yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:05

Well, thank you, and God bless. And may you go forth and prosper and flourish and teach as many people as you can. Because you've got the passion, you've got the vitality and passion, and you've got your help. Amen.

SPEAKER_00 36:18

Yeah, thank you, Dan Carolyn. I appreciate that. I look forward to talking to you further.

SPEAKER_02 36:22

Yes, me too.