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The Anglican Bishop for HM Prisons, the Right Revd Rachel Treweek, in conversation with Tom Wheatley and Mark Icke of the Prison Governors’ Association.

In this second podcast in the series of 'Holding the Key: Unlocking the door to doing prison differently', Bishop Rachel talks to Tom Wheatley, President of the Prison Governers' Association, and Mark Icke, Vice President of the Prison Governors' Association. Tom and Mark bring over 57 years combined experience working in Prison leadership roles, and they discuss their experience of the effectiveness of the justice system, as well as their hopes for what the future might hold.