Bishop Rachel, the Bishop of Gloucester and Anglican Bishop for Prisons in England and Wales, is joined in conversation by Sarah Burrows, founder and CEO of the charity Children Heard and Seen. Together they explore the often-overlooked impact of parental imprisonment on children, particularly those living in the community who may have little or no relationship with the parent in prison. 

Sarah emphasises that support systems leave many children invisible, unsupported, and unable to process feelings of shame, stigma, grief, or confusion. The conversation highlights how children’s experiences vary widely — even within the same family. Both argue for policy reform, better training for schools, and a more curious, compassionate public response — one that recognises children as innocent parties experiencing what Sarah describes as an “invisible punishment”, and that listens carefully to what children themselves say they need.