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Instability to Impact: Michelle Mills’ Work for Military Families
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Michelle Mills joins us to share how she finished her WGU degree while living in an RV during deployments—and how that experience fueled her mission to fix underemployment for military spouses and veterans. She talks about building a firm that uses location-agnostic, role-based compensation, tripling pay for military-connected talent, and how returning to school helped her rebuild confidence, identity, and direction.
Welcome And Guest Introduction
SPEAKER_00Hey everybody, welcome to the WGU Alumni Podcast. We're thrilled to have you tuning in for another episode. My name is Jeff Burton. I'm the senior manager of alumni engagement here at WGU. Now, today's guest, I am super excited to introduce, and it's Michelle Mills. Let me tell you a little bit about Michelle. So Michelle completed two degrees at WGU, one of them while living in an RV and homeschooling her children, which is just incredible. I have a lot of questions about that. Today she's running her own consulting firm that serves military connected talent. Good day, Michelle. Welcome to the show. It's nice to connect with you.
SPEAKER_01So great to meet you, Jack, and I'm happy to be here. Thank you for having me.
SPEAKER_00Okay, Michelle, let's jump in.
RV Schooling And Finishing A Degree
SPEAKER_00Paint the picture of this RV, homeschooling your kids. Take us through this journey. What did that look like?
SPEAKER_01Absolutely. So, you know, it was early 2007, and we were at our fourth duty station with the United States military. My husband was downrange, and uh we got the wonderful notice that they were shutting our base down. And with that notice, I was looking at job opportunities in the career field I was working in for our new duty station and quickly realized that unfortunately what I was doing in the state that we were presently in, I was not able to continue in without finishing my degree. Now I had tried and tried to finish my degree multiple times, but we kept moving. Schools weren't virtual. And so unfortunately, I had about 140 credits and no actual degree. Uh 2008 rolls around and we decide, okay, we were in our new place. It was finally time to settle down and do the programming again. Got everything lined up with WGU. It looked like life was gonna be a little calm. And my husband came home one day and said, guess what, honey? I'm going to deploy again, but don't worry, this time it's in the United States. So we spent enough time apart. Let's go ahead and get an RV. We're gonna load up our children who are in elementary school and middle school and our dog, and we're gonna drive across country. We'll spend four months on this adventure. It's gonna be awesome. So we did. We bought an RV off of eBay, of all things. So never seen it, never had owned an RV. Uh, picked that thing up, drove it across country, and 24 hours later, my husband deploys and he leaves for the entirety of four months. So I've got a middle schooler and a late elementary school in this dog. And we were in the RVs. So we were all doing our homework together around the little table, submitting assignments from all over the world.
SPEAKER_00Now I just have to follow up and ask, though, because uh, on one hand, that sounds like super fun and super exciting living in RV,
Connectivity And Testing Challenges On The Road
SPEAKER_00right? Traveling the world as you stated. But at the same time, there had to be major challenges for you as mom, uh, and also for your kids and and and your puppy as well. Were there moments that were maybe challenging? And how how did you stay motivated through it all?
SPEAKER_01You know what we found uh was interesting. So if we're thinking back to like 2007, internet was not something guaranteed. It wasn't something you hotspotted off your phone. It wasn't available every place you're at, especially as we were driving across country and at the mercy of RV parks as we're getting settled, it wasn't a consistency that I could guarantee on. So there was always the challenge of like, where can I actually do my homework? Um, where can I get my grades submitted, my assignments submitted? And then testing centers, you know, as you're traveling across the world, you know, testing centers were at that time we had to go to physical testing centers. I'm not sure where it's at now. Um, but I had to be in a physical building. So finding those locations, you know, using the little search finder and be able to go to those places so I could make sure my assignments were submitted on time was definitely a challenge. Um, I think the advantage though was my children were also going through school. So we were all having the same challenges. Uh, they were submitting, you know, they'd have to do their homework, we'd have to figure a way to upload it to get it back to their teachers because their teachers had actually given us curriculum, which was great. Uh, but it was a constantly a motion of like, okay, whose homework is it now? Who's on deck? Who's taking care of the dog? But we worked together as a team. My youngest actually loved it so much when we had moved back to the West Coast where we had been stationed at and when the deployment was racking up. He actually just asked, can we just live in the RV full time and get rid of the house? So I it was challenging, but I think it was such core memories for my kids that it was never an issue.
SPEAKER_00That's so awesome. And something that your family will always be able to remember and look back, right? They'll be able to tell their kids, your grandchildren,
Family Teamwork And Lasting Memories
SPEAKER_00you know, way down in the future. But what a cool experience.
SPEAKER_01So, not so a distant future. Actually, I am a grandma. So um mine had got two little grandbabies, and my youngest is in Vermont. Well, this is in first grade. And his dad does tell him stories, tells him stories about what it was like growing up in the military lifestyle, tells him stories about different places he went to school and some of the experiences. So it is a fun story and adventure to continue on with the generations.
SPEAKER_00Now, Michelle, I want to ask you a little bit more about your consulting firm. You founded the EWV, which serves military-connected talent. Can you tell us a little bit more about that?
SPEAKER_01Absolutely. So I've spent the bulk of the last 14 years of my professional life
Launching A Firm For Military Talent
SPEAKER_01heavily invested in the talent acquisition world. And for the last 10 years, it's been hyper focused on the military-connected community. So there is a lot of need, and it's an underserved population. Uh, when we look at it, their unemployment rates are much higher for our milk spouses. We're looking at 20, 22% unemployment rate for our junior enlisted who transition and get out, their unemployment rates are about double. And so unfortunately, this is just a population that gives everything and doesn't get the support they need on the backside. And so by being in this arena for this long, I just saw that there was a larger need to get out there and help organizations stand up and uh create military-inclusive programming. You know, talent acquisition is just one part of it, but there's so many other parts of how you support the military connected community. You know, as I've shared, we've moved around quite a few times. Our upcoming move this summer will be our 14th assignment in 26 years. And so portability and job uh progression is a core problem that exists in the military space community. And when you think about supporting this organization or, you know, an organization in this community specifically, you know, I think it's really important to look at how once you've hired them, you also retain that. Right now we have less than 1% of our US population serving in any sort of military service, including reserve, guard, and active duty. And so it's our responsibility that they're standing up and they're all volunteer that on the backside, we're supporting the veterans and that we're supporting the mill spouses while they're supporting their active duty people.
SPEAKER_00Thank you. That's that's fascinating. I'm curious if there's been a sense of pride or or what the what the key uh moment that you've had just as you've uh been involved with this uh company that you've created.
SPEAKER_01We had launched the new recruiting initiative in a location where the uh average compensation that was offered for military spouses was around minimum wage. Like you were supposed to feel really good about getting a dollar more than minimum wage. And when we look at military spouses
Fair Pay And A Life-Changing Hiring Win
SPEAKER_01specifically, uh, the demographic, they are the most highly educated subsect of any other demographic in the US, which means they have the most post-high school uh education they have between it, certifications, degrees. So when you get a military spouse and you've got somebody with a bachelor's or a master's, which I had to go through, even through my challenges, um, but you're offering them just minimum wage, you're really not valuing the experience and the value that they bring to the organization. So we had launched this new initiative in a location that it was pretty sad to see what the those spouses were supposed to be proud to get compensation-wise. And this company that had signed up to work with us as our firm had decided they were going to beat the statistics. And so what they did is they looked at their positions and we did a compensation analysis of what they were paying these people across the United States. And they were going to offer fair compensation for the role, not for the location. The they wanted the experts and they were willing to pay for it. Uh, the wonderful thing was on the backside, we were offering triple the um what was the normal average pay military spouses were getting in that area. And so we were able to hire on two military spouses for this org in this location. And the compensation ended up being where they were able to make more money than even their spouses. And there's a huge concern, especially in our enlisted side, for food insecurity, access to affordable childcare and all of this. And so for these two people, and again, it doesn't have to be a hundred, two people in a community is a lot, these two families, it forever changed their lives.
SPEAKER_00What a great success story. Thank you for sharing that. That's so great
Leading Military Hiring At Amazon
SPEAKER_00to hear. Uh now, I understand you also used to work at Amazon. What did you do there?
SPEAKER_01I did. So actually, I ran the North American talent acquisition team for military. So we had a team of up to 24 at our peak, but our whole purpose and goal were to hire veterans and military spouses to different positions across the Amazon. We were able to help people transition at all different phases from the military from junior enlisted all the way to our senior individuals. And on top of that, we stood up some groundbreaking programs for spouses, which oftentimes are not included in military programming. It was a hard decision. I was on the team for five years, uh, really was proud of the work we had done and what we were able to accomplish. But I had built a scalable and sustainable model that could then be continued on. And me sitting in that spot was holding that for the next person to progress a career. So I actually had resigned from my role in September when I stood up my firm. Um, it was just the right thing to do. It provided for multitudes of reasons uh the space that was needed for both sides.
Early Life, Instability, And Education As Lifeline
SPEAKER_01Um, and in this new function and new field that I'm in, I can help a lot more organizations, not just one particular company.
SPEAKER_00Can you tell me about how you grew up and what your experiences were like in school?
SPEAKER_01So I'm an army brat. I was born at an army hospital and I grew up in an army town. Um, my biological father was one who served in the military. He transitioned not too many years after I was born. Um, but unfortunately, he struggled with his transition and struggled with finding jobs. And so did my mom, my biological mom. So they both um really had employment crises and problems and um just never really landed, which I think is also some of my passion in regards to helping, especially the junior enlisted. My biological father was junior enlisted, helping them transition and get actual jobs that can take care of them and their families. Um, but at childhood was uh challenging. So we were um went through bouts of homelessness and it was just part of what life was at the time. And, you know, to be very transparent, we also were CPS kids based on some of the issues that were going on in the house and just some of the challenges that were there. So school was actually my respite. It was where I loved to go. I was highly involved because it got me out of the house. It gave me stability. Um, I changed schools a lot. I went to four schools within 18 months, uh, leaving middle school going into high school. So it was something that was important to me because I knew it was an avenue out. Um, I knew it was an avenue to a better life than what I had grown up with. And it was something that I held very, very dear to me. Um, I did go to college right out of high school uh away. And I was actually the first person in my family to go away to school. Um, that is the year that I got pregnant with my oldest child. And so I was actually a single mom at 19 as a teenager. Um, came back and, you know, again, that also went into some of the challenges of finishing my degree and why it took me a little bit longer. Um, it's just, you know, I was a single mom until he was three. Um, and it was just part of it. But I always knew that education in school was where I needed to be and what I wanted to be was complete with a degree because I did feel like it was going to open up opportunities that were not afforded to me as a child, that were not within the scope of what I grew up around. So it was something that was very critical to me.
SPEAKER_00Michelle, thank you for sharing all of that. And it's it's inspiring to know where you've come from, what you've been through, and that that motivates you today to be able to help others uh to get through some of those challenging times. So uh thank you for sharing all of that. Now, what inspired you to go back to school and get your degree?
Why Returning To School Mattered
SPEAKER_01Our youngest child was on the spectrum uh at that same age and had made lots of leaps and downs. So the school district had reached out to me and asked me if I could help other kids be able to see the same success. And so I did and I loved it. Um I worked with a little boy primarily, he was my primary client that I worked with, getting him the classroom and you know, the growth from the beginning of the year where he could not sit in a classroom and do, you know, independent work around his peers and have that, you know, modeling going on on his own to the end of the year where he could and I could step away was so rewarding. And then we got the notice we're moving and the next phase, I couldn't do the same job. And so it was that conversation of like, this is the time. I have to, if I'm going to make a difference in people's lives, this is a consistent barrier I keep coming across. It's like I don't have a degree. I have the skills, I have the experience, I have all this greatness to give, but this is the one thing that on an application they will not get looked past. And so if I want to continue making a difference in people's lives, it has to have, I'm gonna have to have my degree.
SPEAKER_00Was there a moment when it clicked and and you and you knew that it wasn't too late for you?
Support, Confidence, And Identity Reclaimed
SPEAKER_01What I realized that this was it was the time in that it didn't matter that I was in my 30s, it didn't matter that I'd had children and you know, I I was actually working, going into it. Um, I think it was the support of my spouse who said, There's nothing holding you back at this time. Like there, you can do this. We will figure out all the craziness around it of children and pets and everything. He said, But this means something to you, and it's something that's important to you. So there's no reason to wait anymore.
SPEAKER_00What's something unexpected you gain from returning to school?
SPEAKER_01Ooh, um renewed self-confidence and a renewed sense of self. You know, up to that point, I had been uh mom, I had been wife, I had been PTO volunteer, I ran nonprofits, but they really were all about everybody else. And I think the big thing for me coming out of it was like, wow, I there's still a lot of me, Michelle, this professional, this driven individual who is excited about contributing to the world and being known to give back for who they are, not for everything that's part of their life. And so I think that was really big. And I think that's something that a lot of, I would say, women and moms struggle with is when life gets really busy and you're busy being that caretaker, maybe it's the caretaker's trait, but you're busy taking care of everybody else and you lose who you are. And you lose and you forget who that person was that you know you used to get excited to get up in the morning about and um things that gave you energy and
Founding The Business And Scaling Goals
SPEAKER_01really refilled your cup as you poured into everybody else. And I will say that completing my degrees and getting them gave me the confidence to re-explore who I was and have that professional growth.
SPEAKER_00Well, that's great to hear. And I'm glad that you found yourself. You've got your confidence and you're having tremendous impact uh for so many people, including your family and obviously the work that you're doing at your firm. Uh, great to hear. Can you share another experience when you realized it was never too late?
SPEAKER_01I think it was starting this firm. I mean, I was doing very well. I was progressing up the ladder in a, you know, civilian company that's the top two in the world for employment sizes. You know, it was my dream job. It was the dream, what I always wanted to do to have large impact in this community. And when I realized that it was limited based on working for a large company, you know, obviously I am there to help their organization grow. Um, and so with that, there's just conflicts of interest. Um, and knowing that I wanted to help more people, it was like, okay, this is it's not too late. It, this is the time. So it's time to get uncomfortable again.
SPEAKER_00That's awesome. Now, Michelle, I want to look forward a little bit. Uh, what's a professional goal you're focused on in the next couple of years?
SPEAKER_01So, my um, I do have a business partner who is also a military spouse. She's also a veteran. She's got a really cool background herself. Um, our goal is to have a robust 50 plus organization hiring all military spouses and veterans to help us continue to grow the organization. So we want to grow so big where we need to bring on other individuals, give them the uh, you know, fair compensation, employ them at the right level, give them portable, flexible opportunities, and be able to continue to grow this, not only to for other companies, but for our company to be big enough to be able to employ them ourselves.
SPEAKER_00Tell me
Time Boundaries And The Power Of No
SPEAKER_00a life hack or tell me something that you've learned along the way that has made you so successful.
SPEAKER_01For every yes you say, there you're saying no to something else. So being very protective of my time, being very protective of where I put my efforts, where I give my, you know, personal talents, whether it's uh, you know, volunteer work or anything else. And that by giving those moments to pause and really think about like when I'm presented with an opportunity to go, is this something that by saying yes to, I'm willing to say no to these other things that are really important to me, um, has been absolutely hugely beneficial and also just great for the whole like time management uh uh challenge that we often have. And it also helps me not feel guilty when I say no to something because I know that if I'm saying no to something, it's because there's something I know I'm more passionate about, that I feel my talents are better used, or that I just want to pour into that is more important to me. And that's okay.
SPEAKER_00And so from the nest, this is meant to be rapid fire. So I just have a few questions that I want to uh uh present to you and just share with me the first thing that comes
Rapid Fire And Final Advice
SPEAKER_00to mind. Are you an early bird or a night owl?
SPEAKER_01Early bird.
SPEAKER_00First thing that you do in the morning drink a cup of coffee. What's one word to describe the moment when you completed your WG degree or degrees?
SPEAKER_01Proud.
SPEAKER_00What's your favorite late night study snack?
SPEAKER_01Nachos.
SPEAKER_00How about a quote or a mantra that you live by?
SPEAKER_01My husband will say game on.
SPEAKER_00A dream job or a project still on your bucket list.
SPEAKER_01What I'm doing now.
SPEAKER_00What makes you proud to be a night owl and a WGU alum?
SPEAKER_01I'm proud to be a part of an organization that makes a difference and that can be life-changing for anybody.
SPEAKER_00What advice would you have for people wondering if it's too late for them to pursue their goals?
SPEAKER_01I would say it's not. Go after it, get it done. Um, today is the best day to start. There's no reason to pause. Life is always going to be there. Life is always going to be happening. But the great part of it is when you have a flexible program, you don't have to choose one or the other.
SPEAKER_00And Michelle, if people wanted to connect with you or find your company, uh, where can they go to do that?
SPEAKER_01I am very
Where To Connect And Closing
SPEAKER_01active on LinkedIn. So it's a great place to connect with me, see a lot of the initiatives we're doing. And my Michelle M. Mills is my moniker on LinkedIn. That's how you find me. Additionally, you can also connect with us on our company webpage, which is the ewv.com, which stands for Elite Women Veterans.
SPEAKER_00Awesome. Thanks, Michelle, for the time today. Continued success to you and your family and all that you're doing.
SPEAKER_01Thank you so much. It's been a pleasure to be here.
SPEAKER_00Thank you, everybody, for tuning in for being part of this WGU alumni community. You can learn more at wgu.edu slash alumni. We appreciate your time and uh continued success to all of you in our audience.