Ep 32: Hypnosis... Real or Stage Show?

Is hypnosis about making you think you are a chicken or is it a legitimate method of healing your mind?

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No Humble Opinions

Ryan Elson and Aaron Ellis

Episode 32 Hypnosis

0 (3s):

Hey there. Ryno here from the Podcast No Humble. Opinions where we talk to Interesting people about interesting things. Today I'm going to have a chat to my friend, Aaron in regards to Hypnosis and we're going to be sponsored by some new people, Dude, and Duke out in Deception Bay which I'll tell you more about it in a second. 

0 Hey, Aaron how are you buddy? 

1 I'm doing well. Ryan 

0 Good, man. What brings you here? Tell me what you do and what's on your t-shirt there.

1 (27s):

I’m a hypnotherapist, I specialize in people with anxiety and stress and help them overcome it relatively quickly without medication or talk therapy.

0 (35s):

Cool, man. Okay. Hypnosis……  the biggest thing I've ever seen with Hypnosis he's on, I was on a carnival ship, you know what they call the cruise ship sort of a thing and this dude was that at the front there and got about six or seven people up there just to do wacky shit that we all laughed at and thought it was funny now, is that what you do? 

1 (60s):

Not exactly. There's various forms of Hypnosis. Yeah.

0 (1m 3s):

So how does it work? What's the go?

1 (1m 5s):

Well I'd like to start with a little bit of a history of Hypnosis. That'd be awesome. So we could go all the way back to a gentleman called Franz Mesmer and he had this idea which is called animal mesmerism, and he would get people to lie down and put magnets and run magnets, all of them. And that will sort of get into, into a trance sort of state. And he was able to help certain people, but it became sort of blown out over the years, but the names still stock called mesmerism…. to be mesmerized. Then after that, there was a gentleman called James Braid and he sort of, he, he knew there was something to this mesmerism, but he didn't believe the way that it was being presented. So he started looking into it and realize that Hypnosis was more of a focused state, which you're in a state of non sleep, but you're not quite awake.

1 (1m 51s):

It's a very similar to when you wake up in the morning and you're a little bit dazed.

0 I’m like that until about 10 30 or so. 

James Braid was actually one of the first hypnotist to start doing operations, using Hypnosis to flat out, you know, the, I think, close to 5,000 different operations in India, where there was no anesthetic. So they literally amputated limbs and things using just the power of Hypnosis.

0 (2m 15s):

That's crazy, man. No, thanks. I'll stick to the, the new way of doing things. I just will with chatting to just let her know we're doing things a bit differently. This time we run into things, different, run a cafe. I've never done this before, but I said to Aaron, “Hey brother, can you go out and limb for me”? And he said, “Hell Ryno,. Let's do it”. So just, you know, and a half at the moment. So sorry about the background noise, but it sort of adds a certain ambiance. We feel anyway, if it sucks, you tell me, so that's fine. So, okay. So this guy is doing operations just simply using hypnotism. So tell me more about give you some more history. You got any more of that? 

1 (2m 48s):

So from there, the Hypnosis started to become a relatively known. And then when people started looking at it, like you had Sigmund Freud started looking at Hypnosis initially he thought there was to it, but then he threw it out the window. And so the scientific community sort of left Hypnosis for a while there. And then about a mid 1950s, I think there was a gentleman called Milton Erickson and he is, what's known as the, the father of modern hypnotherapy. So Milton was actually suffered from polio himself and was a psychotherapist to start with. And he started using Hypnosis in such a way that he wasn't using the, the techniques of mesmerism way, where I was swinging watches things to try and get people's focused attention.

1 (3m 33s):

And he started realizing that you could use certain language patterns to bring back memories of people's experiences.

0 (3m 41s):

Okay. No yeah. I mean, I, okay. And in an effort to understand what we're talking about, I went and had a hypnosis session with you, which I'd never done in my life, and it was something very new and I'm a bit of a skeptic with it, to be honest, but it's a lot, it was anyway a particularly, but I found that personally one of the most relaxing States I ever felt, I guess. And just, I think I'm going to can say that I changed anything particularly, or for a one-off maybe, or it may be, you might have to do more than one, but man, I felt really deep inside myself inside of my own head sort of thing and in a peaceful nice way. And as opposed to, you know, getting wound up as you can do inside your own head somehow.

0 (4m 23s):

So I mean, how, cause what do you use repetition of your words a lot? So that was what it stuck out to me.

1 (4m 31s):

The weather is a lot to say that, that I work with Stage hypnotism. You often have people there that are actually wanting to have some fun and they want to let loose. So there are actually in a situation where they're allowing themselves to, to be too 'cause all of hypnosis is self-hypnosis. So the, the fallacy of people can be trolled by Hypnosis is generally not true.

0 (4m 49s):

Of course, what they've got to basically let themselves be, you know,

1 (4m 52s):

And it gives you want to allow yourself to, to follow that person's instructions. So if you have a good rapport with the hypnotists and you are willing to, to, to let go. So often those Stage shows is what's called a rapid induction. So it's a really that you create a really high focus state of that person then using a startle reflex of a shock or a click or a flick. And then instantly the mind becomes a little bit of blank during this, this pattern interrupt. And that's where the mind becomes open to putting a little suggestions such as sleep relax. And because of the mind is a little bit whacked out because it wasn't sure what was going on. It just starts to listen. So you can instantly start to relax.

1 (5m 32s):

Now, the difference between Stage Hypnosis and the Hypnosis I do is people often come to me and they're suffering from stress. So for me to go, okay, close your eyes, relax, relax. And it, it's not going to work for them. So I take the approach of Milton Erickson, which we believe that everybody has been calm and relaxed in your life at some time. Am I using certain language patterns of just first of is getting you to close your eyes, which is shuts out the external environment and allows you to start going into your mind. So it's like you're in a, in a meditative state. And when we're in this meditative state using certain language of, you know, you can allow yourself to relax.

1 (6m 13s):

I don't know if you don't have to relax, but you could relax. So we're using these patterns where we're not forcing anything upon anyone. It seems to be really a lot easier to take hold of now, what actually happens after a while is when the person gets into a, a really relaxed state that conscious critical mind. That's the always thinking starts to calm down. So that's the mind where we're always, we're thinking about something can, you know, even in ourselves we might be feeling unhappy and we, we talk to ourselves, but it's lucky to be knocking on a door and nobody's listening. But when we're in that hypnotic state that conscious mind, it's like the barriers come down, the walls come down and we're allowed to talk directly to the subconscious mind.

1 (6m 55s):

And so you've probably noticed that when you've woken up in the morning and that half asleep, half awake state, you'll hear that first song. And we'll be in your head most of the day.

0 (7m 5s):

Yes. They have a one on a warrant for some reason. I don't know what it is.

1 (7m 8s):

So that's because it was impressed straight on to the subconscious avoiding the conscious mind. Okay. Yeah. So allowing people to get into this nice relaxed state, lowering their conscious defenses, we can start to reteach them how to become again, how to do calm again, you know?

0 (7m 21s):

Okay. So yeah, I mean, well, it's interesting because if you take away the, the front of mind or guests, that's the part that makes you anxious and makes you, we end up because you're overthinking, it tends to be the case. So, so that's your, your primary treatment that you do use for, for anxiety? Or is it yes.

1 (7m 36s):

So I run a whole program from helping people relax, helping them initially get a, feel a lot better in themselves because often people with anxiety or are quite pent up with tension and emotions. So the first thing is to try and get them to relax. And then over time we started to increase new, a new thought patterns within the Hypnosis to allow them to be able to cope in situations, to be able to know that there is no true danger, they're not being attacked. And two, they can raise re-look at the situation is in and look at reality as it is rather than how the mind is pretending it to be.

0 (8m 9s):

Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Okay. Alright. So you see a lot of ads around for stopping smoking. That seems to be a big one for people. And at times, do you want it or not is not your expert area of expertise is not pretending, but what is the geo there? How would that what's it meant to ask them and to work?

1 (8m 23s):

The thing is Hypnosis for cigarettes works. It does work, but it's, it's not a, it's not a quick fix. Yeah. So obviously with Hypnosis the person has to allow themselves to, to be hypnotized. They have to want these changes to truly happen. So if someone's gone to a hypnotist and they, they have doubts that it's regarding the work and they're probably just, they're just to see if it works, it probably won't work, but for a person who has true belief in a way, they generally in their heart wanting to give up smoking, they've done the, the pre therapy steps of understanding, their reasons for up and things like that. That'd be a higher success rate for actually doing the Hypnosis session and having success.

0 (9m 1s):

So you can't actually just be healed by someone born to do. And it's a, it's a CCU in, in getting off the smokes. Does it? That's the basis of it?

1 (9m 9s):

Yes. And then there's also, there's a lot of people there's different suggestibility scales within people. So some people are quite suggestible and those people may even be someone that on the street, you could hypnotize for them to stop smoking. But the amount of people that are, that have that level of In, the population is very small. So most of us need to go through a longer period of relaxation of allowing these, these changes to take place.

0 (9m 33s):

Nah, I'm a curvy man. I think it's a look or anything that can help you to get off those two things or, or whatever other bad habits you got as well is probably worth having a crack at a rate in some way, shape or form. Okay. Tell me, when did you decide you wanted it to be a hypnotist?

1 (9m 48s):

Well, it's always been on my mind for the quite a few years. I, 20 years ago now, a while back I was, I was into, into kickboxing and I was always into the power of the mind and I knew how important the mind was for the, the athlete. So we used to get a lot of self Hypnosis tapes and listened to them. And eventually I didn't sort of stick to them, but I realized that just by visualization and really going into a calm, meditative state and using my mind to direct my thoughts, I was able to create States of a feeling like are to changed before it actually gone in, into the, into the event. Yep. So over the years, it was always on my mind. And as a hobby, I started to study and looked a little things like, you know, sticking people's hands to the table and just the, the, the trick Hypnosis stuff

0 (10m 36s):

That you do with it that day. Yeah. I

1 (10m 37s):

Do a little bit of that. And the good thing about that is that there are good, what we call convinces. So often you'll see someone else being hypnotized and that's the best convincing for, for you to be able to be hypnotized. Yeah.

0 (10m 49s):

And now I did it, it was just watching a Ted talk today, actually just briefly about a guy who said he was explaining the nicest, he was a hypnotist and, and yeah, he said, look, you said you can't hit the top of something that doesn't want you to get a massage. And he said, there's a lot of little subtleties in it that, you know, that may be more convincing of a person by using their, you know, emotional States and all of this stuff in it. And it was really, it was a really interesting sort of a chat or are you saying is no magic in it? It's just, it's just, if someone wants to be incised, they can be. And it, all of a system after that. Yeah, definitely. No, that's cool. So, okay. How do you become a hypnotist man?

1 (11m 24s):

Literally anyone can become a Hypnosis with the training. So there's many training facilities around Australia or in, in Brisbane or around the world. And the differences is the type of Hypnosis they teach. So you can often go and just learn Stage hypnotist. You can learn st. Hypnosis, which is basically doing Stage Hypnosis on the streets. But if you want to become a, a hypnotist to use it for therapy, you need to learn clinical hypnotherapy. Yeah. So the clinical hypnotherapy goes into the structure of the mind, things work the subconscious, and we learn how to actually use Hypnosis and create suggestions that, or have a purposeful result for the person. So I could hypnotize you and just say, okay, Ryan, you know, we're going to be happy you now we're going to feel good, but because they're not your words and it's not going to be as effective.

1 (12m 14s):

So with hypnotherapy, we often need to find out how someone's feeling so we can use those feeling words back at them and to change the state to how they want to feel in their own language. Yeah. Okay, cool. So you're helping him along. I get it. What sort of, I mean,

0 (12m 29s):

And how long is your training tight to do that sort of thing training initially, but it never ends, I guess

1 (12m 35s):

It can go on and going on. But initially you, you started home by learning some online materials about the history of Hypnosis and how it, how can be used. And when you need to go and do some practical elements, and then when you go to the practical element, that's where you learn all the good stuff where you actually get to hypnotize, people learn inductions. So the induction is actually the method of putting people under Hypnosis and there are literally hundreds of ways to put people under Hypnosis.

0 (13m 3s):

Do you know? I'm S I'm I'm concerned now. So I've got to ask you to, have you ever used it in a while? You should move young, man, have you ever, you know, what is it ladies out there that you want to get some convincing

1 (13m 14s):

It's not so much, but the good thing with Hypnosis and it teaches you I'm about language that you become a good communicator. Okay. So I found that using Hypnosis and other elements of something called NLP neuro-linguistic programming, you learn to ask the right questions so you can get the right answers. And it's real important to be asked the right questions so you can get those answers so you can help somebody,

0 (13m 38s):

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1 (14m 53s):

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0 (14m 54s):

Storytime. Tell me some cool stories. Give me some, some IDs and you don't mention names or anything like that's fine, but tell me some funky stuff is going

1 (15m 1s):

Some funky stuff that's going on. Well Hypnosis can be used in various ways as I've told you before. Yep. And as long as somebody is very open to the Hypnosis, you can do to just about anything. Yup. So you can actually use hypnosis to increase people's feelings of, of pleasure on bliss. So that can be used in certain, certain ways with, with, with friends to create internals of spine, places of happiness. So obviously you could go down the other route of ecstasy and that sort of things, but I'll just say to happiness at the moment. It's actually quite interesting. And how just by thinking and think remembering back to a time where we were happy, how those feelings will instantly come back and then starting to use vague language.

1 (15m 49s):

So what do I know what those thoughts were in your head about that time? You felt really good and you are quite calm and relaxed and happy, but you'll start to notice that the more you think about it, that you'll start to realize that you were happy and you were calm and your mind will start to create those thoughts that were the feelings that were associated with that time. Yeah. So that's the good thing with, with Hypnosis and just being able to, to tell a story, you can actually reveal advocate emotions. So often I could say it to start off with somewhere where what's a nice, calm place that you've been to Ryan yeah.

0 (16m 21s):

Probably sitting on the beach when I was a kid at what beach down in downtown.

1 (16m 25s):

And how did that make you feel? Relaxed, relaxed, just happy.

0 (16m 30s):

No worries. And the world, nothing flicking around in my head science that was going to go wrong. Just enjoying the moment. Yeah. And what are you doing in that moment? I was feeling the breeze, to be honest. And just looking out over the water, I don't feeling the breeze. It was nothing big because you remember it for some reason.

1 (16m 44s):

Yeah. And you are just there sitting there on that base, just feeling that comfortable brazen, you can almost start to feel how comfortable that breeze was just by remembering that time and being there is a pretty good memory. Yeah, it is. And the more that you start to think about that memory in these, what we call revivification of memories, this is the secret to, to getting people happy again. So often we forget to be happy. People do forget to be happy because we are getting what I call I'm the wrong train of thought. So you could imagine the thought pattern is like a attract through the Bush. You got an easy track, which is the one that we've been using often. It's not often the, the best track. 'cause, there's a bit of a danger at the end, but it's quick.

0 (17m 26s):

All right. You often think of it is a wheel ruts, went on a gate into just difficult place to behave with a bit of anxiety and a bit of jesus', you know, what's going, its sort of feels a little I'll think of it when I'm riding a motorcycle off, off road and you just get stuck in that we were, and you just keep down that route no matter what, and it's not a good one.

1 (17m 42s):

Definitely. And then when you pull out of that, that rut to make a new path, that part is rough because it is not well-worn. But once the point is, if you keep pulling yourself off that rough path under the new path, eventually a new path becomes well-worn and that becomes a new path that you take. The old path becomes overgrown. So we can look at the old thought patterns, the less we use these old thought patterns and we start to create new thought patterns. Those old thought patterns start to fade. And we started to create these new thought patterns, which are the easy ones to go by.

0 (18m 12s):

Is it just sort of retraining? You thought you might, I guess definitely No cause there's a lot of different ways of trying to do that. And I mean, I'm not suggesting, you know, any better cognitive therapy or let's say a behavioral therapy that's I've heard some cool stuff about that. Just doing list or do you know much about that or?

1 (18m 27s):

Yeah, it is. It's basically using your mind to reaffirm the situation. So if you're feeling anxious, you start thinking, well, first of all, is there anything that's actually endangering me? Yep. No you have so I can cut that off. Yep. Now what else is, is being the problem is so eventually you start using a mind to cut down these things that are either is that you're actually not in any danger. What's the worst thing that can possibly happen here. Yeah. And you are starting to re rethink the situation rather than letting these horror movies take place. And the bigger the horror movie gets, the more that the feelings increase and the more anxious we get. Yeah.

0 (19m 3s):

And, and so on is a weird thing. I can do one, I've had a fair crack with it in the past that been pretty good lately, but it's, I'm talking to some other people and you say, you know, it's not Real, you know, its in your head and for me it was just an always a good way of bringing myself out a little bit is to say, it's not Real buddy. It's not Real okay. There's nothing changed. And you know, nothing's going to go bad. It's all right. And but yeah, I mean its what your mind can do is off chops. Like it just, I just find it funny how so many of us guardian a difficult path and, and continues to go down to the bed. So you said, what are we going to a good way? I mean, he's got to be, some people are walking around that just don't that they're just happy flies all the time. Cause that I can get it right.

1 (19m 39s):

No, I think it is just this and this crazy journey of life, which is just encountering traumas everyday. Believe it or not. We were just getting countered by so much stress these days, financial health and all of these things start to, to impact people. And it slowly, their stress levels go up and up and I don't have a time to actually stop and reset. And then just one guy that nervous systems become on high alert and bang, you have anxiety. And I say, where did this come from? And it was, it wasn't there before, but it just got to a state where the nervous systems just become that. What I say that a little murky that you just become on high alert because he's encountered so many stressors that he just honestly thinks that is another stress.

0 (20m 17s):

He is just all wound up all the time. Yeah. Well Hypnosis that can be helping that. I mean, can you give the listeners a bit of a rundown, a basic rundown on what you do? What is it? What is the session entail?

1 (20m 28s):

So a session in Hypnosis, first of all, it requires speaking too, to me to find out what you, what issues you're having. So what you're actually feeling, what these, what your physiological triggers are, that it may be causing your anxiety or causing a stress. And then we do a basic pre-talk and I explain what Hypnosis is and explain that Hypnosis has to be something very natural that we're going to track seven or eight times a day.

0 (20m 55s):

When you talk to me once before I'll be on the car ride or die, when you drop it and get that gig. I love drawing. I drug big distances and then you get there and after an hour you are thinking shit, I can remember I've been there. And I can't remember anything that's happened in nets that you told me that it was a form of self hypnosis, wasn't it? Yeah.

1 (21m 10s):

Yeah. It's a, it's a form of trance. So anytime that you're deeply absorbed in something where it could be a book or it could be a movie or someone's calling your name and you hear them, but you tend not to react.

0 (21m 20s):

So, Oh, Emma you'd like that. Cause she says, thanks. Good chat. Sorry about sorry. What?

1 (21m 25s):

The only difference between 'em that trance state and a Hypnosis state is the Hypnosis translate is highly focused. So with Holly focusing it towards listening to get them to his words rather than focusing on the book are the external stimuli.

0 (21m 37s):

Cool. So, alright. So you never talk to you and figure it, you know, I had a feeling and what there and Amy's lots of stuff there. What happens? In

1 (21m 47s):

All I need to do is sit back, relax. If you can listen, if we can follow instructions, it can be hypnotized and you can relax. So the client literally just sits down, puts on some nice headphones relaxes and literally just listened to me when I say tell them the story. So I want to start to talk about how they can relax and how they've relaxed before and how they've had feelings of calm and is pleasant memories before. And maybe that could even go back and experience one of those pleasant memories. And then over probably 10 to 15 minutes, the client becomes a very relaxed and that the physical body started to relax. That anxiety is started to calm down.

1 (22m 29s):

And that's where we started to go into the point of where we call it the association of your consciousness to your subconscious. So we started to use very interesting language patterns that the conscious mind has trouble catching. So there's for example, there's two parts of you and there's one part they can take part in this. And the other part doesn't need to take part and all of the clients listening to this, this, their conscious brain goes, well, I'm just not going to worry about this and I'm going to let it go. So that's often the part during the session on the person says, did I saw, did I fall asleep? But the truth was, they were just in a very deep,

0 (23m 3s):

Okay. Yeah, no, that's it's I found it very interesting. Like I didn't, I certainly, it wasn't what I expected, but it was a lot better than I expected. I think with the fact that I felt so relaxed and you know, with a female session is something that was might sort of, you know, be more on that. But now I find it. I find it intriguing about that. So it looked mean now how people get hold of you,

1 (23m 25s):

That people can go to my website. I'm no stress now.com that can also find me on Facebook or Facebook or facebook.com forward slash no stress now. And just get a look me up and you'll see a lot of my videos and testimonials that I've been done. And one thing I will say with Hypnosis is that it is definitely the best way to relax. So even people that aren't suffering from extreme anxiety, just for the average person, to be able to turn off, switch off without needing to spend a thousand dollars on a holiday, I can do it easily

0 (23m 57s):

Right now. You'll have it in an hour. Right. Thanks to that. Anything else you want to mention before we wrap it up, buddy?

1 (24m 1s):

No, I'm just appreciate you having me on here. And it allowed me to share that Hypnosis

0 (24m 5s):

Some of the world now. Thanks brother. And look, we'll catch up again soon, but thanks to you guys, listeners. We did a bit of a shorter one today. I want to try out some, some shorter ones with the longer ones as well. We'll try on in a cafe. Cause Fila is always an option people as you know, big. Thanks Aaron. Thanks dude. A dude in Duke for your sponsorship and we'll catch up with you next week on No Humble Opinions.