Business energetics & knowing when to use your intuition vs your discernment

We have a special guest on the Podcast today - Adriana Andelkovic, a Psychic Business & Mindset Coach

We talk about integrating stressful or traumatic experiences from childhood into our whole being as adults, the difference between discernment and intuition & cultivating self-discipline for those days we don’t want to show up, and building our visibility muscle. 

We also talk about the magic that happens when you blend intuition and logic together, holding the void and how to tap deeper into your spiritual gifts. 

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the more we dissolve those pebbles, rocks, sticky, icky bits, the more we're free. The more space we have, the more we can hear, the more we allow, the more we trust. It's that little, that little entitlement girly coming out, right? And I say this in a loving way. I know some people are kind of like very hard on and it's like, no, you're going to do it this until you practice it and it becomes a habit. That's so rigid my nervous system. At what point do I need to do some inner work and at what point do I need to just take the action? And we're going between the two constantly Hello, everyone, and welcome to trusting the universe and shit another episode here with us. And we've got a very, very special guest with us, someone who I've known, gosh, for many years now, actually. And I'm pretty sure side note, we have a, we had you on the list. So the fact that this is just like happened so fast is just amazing. This is beautiful. Adriana, how are you, my love? That's the best. I love that. I'm fantastic and I'm so excited to be here. Amazing. And obviously we've got Stace here too. How are you? Hello. Hi. So excited to have you on today. Very excited to get into this episode with you and talk about what expertise you have in store for us. So I'll let Ané do a little intro about that for us. Well, we're just going to go straight into Adriana, really. I, I feel like I would love to know, we'd love to know what you do, how you got into the business energetics work with business and just sort of a little backstory of you and so that the audience know a little bit about you. I love this. So I always start by sharing something so funny that when I first started in service space work, I was just like psychic medium and was practicing energetic work and energetic sessions. And then I was like, I love this. This is really cool, really interesting. And, you know, business was kind of growing and all this fun stuff was happening. And then I noticed that whenever I worked with business owners, I would get like so excited and it would be so much fun and all these cool magic would happen. And I think there's something in this. So then I started doing a lot of just business coaching. So I closed down my like readings component of what I did and I just did business coaching. And then I thought, this is cool, but I miss the other work too. So then I had this brilliant idea of bringing both worlds together. And this is really how I ended up where I am today. So I bought both worlds together and I got the energetic work and I got the business coaching work and this is years ago. So it's probably less common and known back then. And I started practicing it with clients and running programs around it. And I was like, this is some powerful shit. Like, this is really cool. So that. led where we are now. And then I dabbled in pulling back on some of the more psychic work. And also, this is just a really cool story of like permission to shift and change. Which I love, because my story is so much that. And now, I've landed where I am now, I suppose, which is business coaching, but really through the lens of using the Psychic Channel, using Psychic Insights to deepen people's experience of their soul. Like, to actually look at what is, like, going on in our soul, what is blocking us, what's happening not just in our business, but in our whole being that's stopping us from being, like, the fullest expression that our soul is desiring to express in this lifetime. Beautiful. Thanks for expressing that. So when you say the fullest expression of someone's soul, can you give the. audience a little bit of an idea of what that might look like for somebody, because people might be thinking, okay, but like, what does that mean for me? How do I express my soul? What do I do exactly? What does that look like? Yeah. I love this. I think that everyone's is different. So really looking at it, that everyone has like a different ailment expression. So the way I like to feel into this is someone will come to me and they might be chronically ill with something. Someone else might come and they might be experiencing bouts of really serious depression or something else. Then someone else might come and just be like, something just feels off. And then someone else might come and they might be like, life is bloody good, but I know there's more. And all of Them are different ways the soul is currently expressing, like, dis ease, discomfort, or craving for more. And then, also being like, I want all this cool stuff over here as well. So then we kind of go on that journey of like, okay, well, what's getting in the way? Okay, where did something happen in childhood most likely, what are we making that mean now, what do our physical ailments actually mean, you know, like everything, holding, holding weight from rashes on the skin, from all the expressions that our body shows us. And what is that showing us that wants to be worked through and looked at? And it's like really looking at those deepest, most intricate corners of us. Yeah. Amazing. So it's like if somebody had, like, I have a rash that I don't know why I get it. It would be so interesting to actually see energetically where that might be coming from that I'm not yet aware of. Yeah. So the cool thing is, fun fact about rashes, I know this because I also have a beautiful new rash, is that it's our body trying to express to us, which I've battled with this for many years. So it's interesting you bring that one. To the forefront for yourself is the body trying to express that it doesn't feel fully self expressed. So our skin represents literally what we wear and what we show to the world. So there's like a barrier between our full acceptance of self and our full self expression. Super interesting. Beautiful. That's amazing. I just want to add that I actually got a rash in Bali last year when I went there. Like September sometime. And I'm, I'm still trying to figure out why I got that, but it's interesting that you mentioned that because that was a time when I was dabbling into like these two areas in life and business. And I was like, which one am I going? Like what? Like, and you know, we. Love astrology here. I'm in that Libra rising. I'm always like balancing the two. So that's really fascinating that you were like, yeah, this is when your body can express that moment of, just lean into that self expression. So that's so cool. Yeah, it's so cool. And that acceptance of ourselves and also asking that question, like you just said of like, What was going on for me when it started? And that usually reveals all these pieces that our body wants to look at and feel through, but even asking it, like looking at it and asking like, what are you here to show me? And it almost like whispers back to you, which is pretty cool. Amazing. I would love to know your Psychic abilities. And when you started really feeling into this area in life, was it when you experienced something when you were a kid, which is probably also most likely, or was it just something that you kind of grew as a muscle when you got older? Like, give us a little bit of a backstory on this, on psychic abilities such a journey. So I was, such a journey. I was four years old when my, I first had my first psychic insights. And it's so fascinating to me when I look back on it. So I'm this little four year old born into this family who, you know, isn't practicing this work, doesn't really understand it. And I would have like these reoccurring dreams, these nightmares of dying in a house fire. I would experience an intense, like really vivid and every night. So I'd wake my mom up every night. So she was pretty exhausted. And then I would experience having these insights of information about my family. And at four, when you were told things like your dad's gonna do something bad, you're like, what? A. Where am I hearing this information from? B. I don't know what to do with it. So I would express it in really strange ways and I would say things like, You're bad. You're not going to be part of our family. Because I was so little, right? So I was like, what is going on with this kid? And then apparently one day I went to my neighbor's house and I just looked at her and I said, Your mom's gonna die. Oh no! What?! Oh my god. She said, I don't remember this properly. This is being a story retold to me because I was so little. Her mum had actually passed away the night before. Oh wow. That still blows my mind. And she was like Yeah. It's so intense for a small child going through something like that and not understanding where it came from. Yeah, and not having that nurturing available, like my parents are awesome, but that available to be able to work through that. So as we do, and as life happens and conditioning happens, I started to switch it up. I started to tone it down, switch it down. It was bad. It wasn't helpful. You go to school, you know, all these things. And I was like, this is interesting. And then little things would happen. I was 18 when I dreamt my dad was going to pass away and he was unwell at the time, but we had been told long story short that he was going to have years and he'd only been sick for about two months at this point, had this dream that he took me to a fence. He walked me to the fence and he said Trust me. And then he dissolved into nothing. And I was like And I woke up and I called my sister, and we called my dad Tata, which is dad in Serbian. And I said, Tata's gonna, something bad's gonna happen, Tata's gonna die, I had this dream. She was like, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay. Anyway, later on she told me, she called her best friend and said, My sister had this dream, and she's, I know she's really accurate. Something's happening to my dad. She drove to my dad's house and he was Laying in bed, struggling to breathe, uh, almost unconscious. So just incredible circumstances like that again and again and again. But it wasn't actually until my mid 20s that I was like, there's something going on here. That I need to look at. So I paused my life. For three months, I paused my life. I closed down my old business. I meditated a lot. I worked the bare minimum I could, which at the time was about three days a week, two and a half days a week. And I just practiced and practiced and practiced. And that's really when my psychic gifts and mediumship properly turned back on. And that was the journey. Amazing. Wow. Chills. Yeah, full chills. My whole body when you told that story is like chills, chills. Thank you for sharing that, that story. And I think you're right. I think it's all the conditioning that we've been like having in our lives. And we've, we've spoken about it on the podcast too, about how, yeah, it's just that when you start, you know, it's, Disintegrating that conditioning, you really notice how much we actually know intuitively. So tell us a little bit how you'd love to start to incorporate and bring this into your business and into more people because I think it is something that we've kind of forgotten as, as human beings. And it's, it's sad because it's actually such a powerful tool, right? Yeah, yeah. Firstly, like exactly right. It's just so, so special. And that's why I love sharing those stories because It's so special. And I think there's so much like normalizing we get to bring to that. You know, so many of my clients like, but I feel kind of scared of it. Or like, I think I can do this thing. Can I? So I always say, if you think you can, you absolutely can starters. But how I guess I'm really wanting to bring it into this work is. Through me normalizing my own channel and the information I'm receiving from Spirit, from Mediumship, from whatever it is we're receiving information from, and relaying it to someone. Also, just taking, stripping away all the fear for them. And I find that often happens, and then people are like, oh I feel more psychic, and I feel more powerful, and I feel all these things, and I'm like, yes! But also bringing to them what they're, what wants to be worked through. That's really important to me. That it's not all, you know, love, light, and rainbows. It's actually, it can be really dark. There's actually parts of ourselves we meet and it's like, ugh, that part of me is icky or yucky or makes me feel scared or sad. I can't believe I have that thought. So what's really important to me and becoming increasingly important to me is bringing into my work us being able to look at those really deep parts of ourselves. It's like the yin and yang, isn't it? It's the shadow and the light coming into confluence together and not just looking at one side and, like you said, everything being happy rainbows all the time because it's not the way that life really is. So yeah, I love that you, you're working in that way, working and moving through the shadows. Yeah, exactly. And like, I think there's this connotation that like, when we do this work, we're going to feel really good or like, we're going to feel good all the time. And I'm like, Oh no, but it also means that we don't have to make everything mean so much because on the other hand, I think what happens to a lot of people is like, I'm depressed and this thing's happening, or can you just step back and float above it and be like, okay, this patch is challenging. This patch is hard. I feel kind of sad. I'd be okay with that. That's beautiful. I'm kind of curious, what kind of tools or what do you use in your practice to develop your skills or what are you using to strengthen your abilities currently? Yeah, so two part belief kind of thing in this. One is that the more self in an inner work we do, the more inevitable it is to be in tune with our psychic gifts. Because if we picture it, everything happening around us and in our body is kind of blocked and all from like memories and different things and different like pebbles and rocks in our body. So the more we dissolve those pebbles, rocks, sticky, icky bits, the more we're free. The more space we have, the more we can hear, the more we allow, the more we trust. So one part is always doing that, which obviously I'm really passionate about. And then the second part, which is really fun, is playing with it. Like, bringing this real childlike curiosity to being like, what could I hear? If I could see something, what would it be? If I could hear something, what would it be? So, for me, now, obviously, like, I'm really comfortable with the practice. I'm really comfortable with seeing spirit. I'm really comfortable with channeling. So, for me, it's just, like, deepening the trust. Hearing it, deepening, going. Hearing, deepening, going. But, when I teach it to someone else, I might even say, like, play a game. So, for example, you might be like, My favourite game is playing with a totem, so. What this would look like is, and I give this to a lot of clients of, okay, I'm picturing a red truck and asking universe, source, whatever, to bring you the red truck. So this is like keeping it really, really simple and then we wait and then we allow. And then we let that drop into our reality without being like, where's the red truck? Even now, even with the trust and belief I have now, sometimes I'll ask, for example, my dad, he passed away 12 years ago now, I'll say, I'm feeling like you're not around. Bring me something. Bring me a white feather is often what I ask for. Bring me, uh, a client. Bring me something. And then one day I was driving down a highway, which I didn't even need to be driving down, but I just got this nudge. My guides were like, go to the bank. And I was like, okay. That's so random, and where I live, the bank is really far away. And I was like, this is so annoying. So I drove to the bank, on this big highway, in the northern rivers in Byron Bay, Australia, and on the sign, on the highway, to get to the next big town, someone had graffitied the word T A T A, which is Tata, Dad, in Serbian. And I was like, What the hell? In that powerful asking, I got a powerful message of, Hey, I'm here. Stop doubting me. Isn't that so funny how sometimes you get these nudges and you just think, really? Go to the bank. Why? And we love talking about on this podcast about trusting in those nudges, because there is something often happening beyond us that we don't know yet. And we just have to trust in that and then follow the nudge. And then eventually it will be revealed to us. But sometimes it's, it's really a trust the process, isn't it? It's like, okay, I'm going to trust whatever this is. It doesn't, it doesn't sound like anything's going to happen, but I have to trust that something is going to happen from this. Nudge that I'm receiving. Yes, exactly, and I think for so many people, like, I'm both a logic brain and this really intuitive brain, so it can be really tricky for people, but they're actually not that different. We get to kind of bring both together, our logic and our intuition, so to speak, and like, blend the two worlds. I love that. It's so beautiful. And, you know, as you were speaking about all of these little stories and stuff, I'm just like remembering all of these wild, wild, I'm making quotation marks because they're not really, they're just beautiful moments. Right. And one thing I would love, what we'd love to know is, Has there ever been a time in your business, or maybe in your other business that you had, that you really, really had to just hold on to the faith, hold on to the trust of things unravelling as they should for the best, for the better, right, or, you know, it felt like it was falling apart, but maybe it was actually, all of these blessings came through. Like, could you tell us a time? For that, right now. In this literal moment. Love it. It doesn't get more honest than that. I think what's really important to remember is that we're always ebbing and flowing in that. My life has been this series of like, this is sweet. I bloody love this ride. And get me off the ride. I hate the ride. Even at this, you know, practicing it for this amount of time. It's just that I'm not making the ride mean so much right now. And don't get me wrong, I have my days where I message my spiritual mentor and I'm like, Babe, when does this end? She says, I don't know. Maybe it's ended and you don't know. Cause your mind's hanging on. Maybe it's gonna go for another year. We don't know. But when we allow that process of the death And we don't make it mean so much. And I called it, I call it holding that energy, holding the void, holding the space in between when nothing really makes sense. But you're like, all right, show me what's next. It's pretty bloody powerful. And I'm in this season where so much is unravelling and changing. The way I want to do business is shifting. The types of clients we're, like, desiring to attract is changing. Where we're living is changing. You know, being in, like, I call it my pre motherhood era, like, you know, pre baby. It's not happened yet, but it's hap it coming. All these things mean that life is like, well, babe, you want all of that? Here. Mini explosions everywhere. And just being okay. With that and just being in that and being like, I don't, I can't see it yet and that's okay. Amazing. I love that you just like right now, like the end to that story in conclusion. That's it. No, but like truthfully, like truly it's like a ongoing cycle forever and ever. So thank you for sharing that and saying that it's so beautiful. I think, you know, there's some people that. Tend to be okay with change, and then there's some that really, really don't. So for those that really suffer having change, is there anything like tools or just even a mindset shift or energetic shift that you can bring to the table or you know, chat about to help those that. I really don't enjoy change. Hmm. This response might feel strange. But in true me fashion, we're going to go with that. And it's that change is obviously inevitable, right? It's the one thing that's inevitable. So it's actually changing your relationship with the inevitable. So shifting your relationship, instead of working on my relationship with change, my relationship with acceptance and looking at it too much from like a trauma lens, which you can look to it as well. Actually being like, okay. It's almost really real with yourself. Change is actually inevitable. So how do I change my relationship with what I make it all mean? Okay, I can make it mean that it's crazy and hard and that I'm someone who struggles with change. Or I could say, we all struggle with control. We all struggle with wanting to control our lives. Ah, I'm controlling. Ah, I'm gripping. Ooh, I'm making it mean that I'm not good at holding change, but I'm actually just have a deep desire to be in control right now. Oh, actually change is fricking inevitable. So what I'm doing is actually pointless. Oh, everything's always kind of changing. And then one layer deeper might be to actually look at what the relationship. Actually is. So we say it's change, but like I just mentioned, is it actually control? Is it actually a lack of belief in ourselves? Is it actually the fact that we grew up in a really unstable home? So now we say we're scared of change. It's like a really easy get out of jail free card. Oh, I don't like change. No one really loves change. Like, no one's like Yay! We just found out all this stuff is happening, and I'm so pumped. Like, right now, we have so much we're navigating. Found out our house is full of it's got mold, and we've both been unwell, and we need to move house, and we're moving four and a half hours away to another state. Yes, part of me is excited, and the other part of me is like, everything is changing so fast, I would love some consistency. And then there's that third part, which I'll add on, that where can you add in some elements of consistency and certainty, if that's what you're craving, or if that's what your inner child's craving, and add that in in other ways. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because we're sort of meaning machines, aren't we? As people, we always look for the meaning, but if we change the meaning, we can change how we feel about something. And I love how you lay that all out so eloquently. So helpful for everybody, I think, because it's true if we change the way that we decide something means for us? Like, I'm, I'm somebody who hates change. What if we start to unpack that and then decide to choose something different, choose something else other than I am this, you know, taking on that on as an, as an identity? Rather than doing that, maybe Maybe it's not exactly, oh, I hate change, it's I am a little bit put out when things change. Maybe there's just like a little tweak there that we can make that we can start to ease ourselves out of that mindset of being stuck to a certain identity that we have, especially around change. Because yeah, like Anae is saying, I think a lot of people do get really stuck in, in the mindset. Of that, and then not allowing things to flow and allowing good things to come, because like the mold, I know this is something that NA could probably really relate to, the mold in the house. So, you know, maybe that's happening for us to move into something better, but we don't know what that's going to be yet. And then the resistance that's coming in from not wanting things to change. Having to release that to go towards the new, and that's where powerful questions, powerful answers can really be helpful too, like I always come back to that, okay? Is it change or is it control? You know, because it's probably control. Or is it change or is it, you know, the fear of uncertainty because our parents were X, Y, and Z? So when we ask those powerful questions, we can unravel, like, what's underneath. And this is, like, the contradiction. Everything's, in my mind, a contradiction. So it's either, like, flip it, reframe it, go with it, or actually question it and go deeper on it. And then the power of knowing, like, Okay, is it time for that? Or is it time for that? And I find that really helpful as well, even with the mold in the house. We were like, okay, how can we just believe this is Leading us to what we asked for, okay, it's really inconvenient, but how can we believe that? So, yeah, interesting little perspective. Yeah, yeah, beautiful perspective shift. Let's talk about emotional processing. So I know that you have giving us some games and tools that you like to sort of harness that psychic abilities. How do you tend to work with emotional processing and business? So let's say you really wanted a desire on outcome to go this certain way, or let's say the change that you. One, it actually flipped it and reversed it and now it's going a completely different way. How do you, what kind of tools or practices do you, do you provide to go through those emotional roller coasters or processes? So I look at it again in two ways. This is like the whole bring together the energetic with the practical. Yeah. So on an energetic realm, I really get people to look at, okay, is there actually something to feel through here? You'll notice this pattern a lot. And then it might be that we feel like a failure. Then we might remember a memory of being four years old and our dad saying, you know, you don't do anything right, why'd you drop that juice on the floor? And then our whole life we made dropping that juice on the floor mean that we were a failure and we were bad and if we didn't do everything perfect, someone's gonna get angry at us. So then what we actually do is we practice feeling that whole process of feeling the juice dropping on the floor and that repercussion through our whole nervous system. Like, it's happening, like, right in this moment. Juice is on the floor, world is ending at four years old. That's a really big deal. And, the likelihood of you having processed that all the way through That's the key all the way through at four, highly unlikely, especially with the parenting of that generation. And that's perfect because it means you get to feel it all the way through now. So it actually take people through is processes that allow you to feel something to what I call a hundred percent and doesn't mean it's gone forever. It means that layer is gone or not even gone. That layer is dissolving, I should say. So then we process that and then all these little minute moments that we're looking for. Feeling them all the way through the body. Ah, until we feel a sense of relief, until we feel a sense of, Oh my gosh, I'm not so scared of dropping the juice. But really what it is now is, I didn't sign as many clients as I wanted to that group program. And now I'm really, really upset. The whole world's over. Is it? Probably not. So then I find that people have this different relationship at the end of it. They're like, Oh, okay, the group program didn't sign as much as I wanted. And there's this like neutrality we find. But on the other side of this, That I think is really important to share and express is that sometimes it's practical. So sometimes I won't get people to look at the traumatic side at all, and I'll get them just to look at the practical, or sometimes it's both, right? So when we look at the practical, I ask questions like, did you action everything we wrote in the plan? Probably not. Did you promote every day? Like we said. No. Did you get scared because no one signed up in the first 7 days and then you were like, uh, hate this. I'm not doing it anymore. Yes. Oh, okay. No one, no one signed up. All right. Cool. Let's go back. Let's try it again. Let's tweak some things. Let's be really pragmatic. I call it the CEO hat. Let's put your CEO hat on. And let's shift and change and try it again. So that's kind of how I bring both of the worlds together. And I think some really cool examples of how that's happening in real time for so many people's businesses. So many of us have had that experience. Like I did the thing and no one signed up. Me too. It's normal. Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. It's that little, that little entitlement girly coming out, right? And I say this in a loving way. I tend to call myself out a lot on this podcast, so, you know, don't I Stace, it's so funny. But yeah, so I, I totally can relate and I think we all can. What I love about how you teach is the, it's sort of like this, uh, fluidity that you do. So it's not just like full structure and like the full strategy, but you also obviously look at the energetics and then you can pivot and tweak. Like I love that type of teaching. I know some people are kind of like very hard on and it's like, no, you're going to do it this until you practice it and it becomes a habit. That's so rigid my nervous system. So I love that. And I think a lot of us who, listen to this podcast is similar to me in Stace where we do love the fluidity of working the back and forth way. So yeah, I think you're right that dropping the juice, gosh, I have definitely noticed when things don't go in business that my nervous system is literally acting out as, as if I got told off as a teenager or as a child. Such a good, such a good way of, of expressing that. Yeah. And even like making a little like game for yourself and being like, Oh, my nervous system's acting like I dropped the orange juice and my dad's yelling at me. Okay. Because they're the things we remember, right? Like I remember doing that as a kid and being like, Oh my gosh, are they going to like kill me or something? Like, like it's the biggest deal in the whole entire world. And you think, Oh, I should have been over that by now. I'm such and such an age, but you're right. Because how does a four year old process that all the way through? You don't because you're not emotionally equipped enough to do it. So we do need to go and unpack and. uncover all those things for us to have that flow. I liked how, earlier in the episode, you were talking about all the pebbles and the rocks, the blockages that we have that we don't even know that are there a lot of the time, because they're causing all of these outward expressions, like with a rash or with something that's visible. But there are other things like you're saying now with our nervous system, our nervous system isn't regulated and we're reacting as if we're that little, four year old. So, yeah, I definitely see this a lot in clients who eventually have to, do a lot of internal work because that's really where the work needs to happen, isn't it? It's not the practical. Like you're saying, did you do that thing? Did you promote every day? No. Why didn't you? And the why didn't you? It's really the work of figuring out what happened there because it's so easy to give someone like the practical tools, like I can be like, yeah, here are all the practical things that you have to do this, this, this. And they don't do it. And I'm like, why didn't you do it? So that's, I think where this work that you do is so necessary because there's that missing thing that this is the missing piece a lot of the time. Yeah, exactly. And then sometimes I like will say to a client, you know what, we've looked at this, we've looked at it quite a few times. What I would love you to do is just go act as if it's already your reality. Just go do it all. Just go do this thing for, you know, X amount of days, whether it's, you know, you know, postings basic, but like promoting in a certain way, et cetera. And then they're almost getting that feedback that they can, because sometimes we reach the point of we just need to actualize. And when we're at actualization, we just need to go do the things. And I'm like, we've looked at it enough, you know, we can get like two there and then it's like, we've looked at it enough, go action, go do, go be in the strategy. And then if new stuff arises, we'll look at that. But sometimes when we act first, we can actually be shown what's really there, not what we still believe is there. Yes, no, I think that's so important. It's like a, almost like I'm imagining a balancing, like a tightrope. We're balancing between the two and we're, we're saying to ourselves, okay. At what point do I need to do some inner work and at what point do I need to just take the action? And we're going between the two constantly because we take some action and then maybe it brings up more stuff and then we have to go and unpack that and then we're on this sort of balancing tightrope constantly. Yeah and being okay with that and I talk to my clients a lot about like when they're in business, I don't just get to stop doing business. You know, otherwise it doesn't run. So how do we be in that looking and in the action at the same time, the looking and the action, sometimes there'll be one will outweigh the other. Sometimes it will be both knowing the season, having discernment. And I just think that's such a beautiful dance slash tightrope walk to be on. I agree totally. I wanted to speak about actually now that you mentioned it seasons in business so how can we know what season we are because we hear about this a lot with cyclical beings especially as women we've got seasons but I also know a lot of girlies who are like I mean, I'm tired all the time, or I'm, I'm excited all the time, or this, that, whatever, and it's like, I actually don't know what season I am in in business, and I would love for your input on how to sort of figure that out, or, and maybe this is just strengthening your intuition, or, you know, your abilities with that I would say this is more a discernment piece than intuitive. So discernment comes in from like, it's one thing to get hits and get understandings, but intuition can also be off a lot of the time because where it's laced in ego, it's laced in fear. And I can notice this in a client when I'm like, okay, we're in the ego fear cycle. Just be patient. And they're like, intuitively, I just feel like I don't need to look at that. Okay. You know, we need to respect that to an extent, right? But I think it's discernment, discerning. And then everyone always asks me, but Adriana, how do I discern? And I always say discernment comes with practice. It's just a, it's a practice thing. Unfortunately, I don't know if there's another way I've never heard of another way. That resonates with me. So, as we practice discernment, I always give this example. We might be like, oh, this is a really small example. I'm really tired today. I'm actually going to rest all day. And then we get to the end of the day and we say, maybe I was hiding. Maybe I was in my self sabotage pattern, that it was easier to tell myself I was tired, so I didn't show up, and I curled up in bed. Interesting. Next time I see that happening, I'm actually gonna go take lots of action, be seen online, show up on my Instagram, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then we start to discern which is which. And then another day, maybe we go show up online, we do all the things, and then we have like, deep, that bone fatigue. And we're like, ooh, maybe that was a time for rest. So I think it's that discernment of in the day to day, and then you get better at discerning it in the season. But this also comes back to when we know our bare minimums, which I talk about a lot as business owners. So your bare minimums might be like, I post on my stories, I show up for my clients and you know, whatever, I reply to some sales DMs. If I know that's my bare minimums, even if I want to go to bed, that needs to happen first, and having, cultivating that self discipline. Because I see a lot in these industries, people then just being like, Oh, I'm in my season of rest, or like, I don't want to do it, and I'm like, Yes, and it kind of doesn't work like that because we're still in the physical reality and in 3D world. Absolutely. I love all that. And I think you're, you're so right. It's sort of like you're playing a game with business and with. Being a CEO, right? Like if you put your CEO hats, let's play the game of am I going to be the lazy assistant? Or am I going to be, you know, and it's like kind of making, that's just what my brain was going at. But, it's also, you know, no, no shame on anyone on this because I feel like we've all been there before. But that's such a simple and effective and easy way to sort of, Yeah, practice and, and build that discernment. So thank you for that.'cause I'm definitely gonna use that for sure. Yeah, for sure. And I know na you talk about discernment a bit, so I like the idea of, hey, this is just something you need to practice. And it's okay sometimes if you get it wrong. And if you're like, oh, that day was not, that was a rest day. I, but now I know. And so it's these little incremental lessons that we learn over time that it's okay that we. get that wrong sometimes and then we go, ah, yes, I see, I see. Exactly, and it's removing that like, and I use extreme examples like I did before because A, I think everything is funny. Like life is just comical, like, and that's so cool. B, when we do get to make it a game, like literally my whole life, I'm like, oh, let this be a game and we soften it and we add this like playful energy to these really big Big serious concepts and that really helps me decipher and figure it out whilst also being like, sometimes I still get it wrong. The other day I messaged my spiritual mentor and I was like, yeah, you know, I'm just feeling like today. I just want to really let this all, you know, Mel in the background. I'm just going to like chill out for the rest of the day and reflect on it all. She was like, really, or do you not want to be seen online while you're figuring something out? And I was like, I'll be damned. A lot of those like loving call outs. Like, hey, are you actually doing this thing? And you're like, maybe. Yeah, so it's my favorite. So good. I love that. And I guess that's the point of having mentors, right? Like that's the whole point. It's like seeing a blind spot. Hello, like lovingly call me out any day, you know? We do need that. We do need somebody to. chime in sometimes and call us out on our bullshit, don't we? Because sometimes we can do little tricks on ourselves and not really always understanding why it is we're doing something because the subconscious is underneath and is directing some things that we're not really conscious of. I have one more question that I want to ask because I know you are such a good social media strategy, you know, girly, you give the best advice and insight. It's definitely someone that I resonates with me and not these like bro marketing ways. And Stace and I have spoken about this on other previous episodes, but I would love your, you know, third party mindset and, and sort of perspectives on let's say anyone who, if you're listening and you're like, okay, this is the year I'm going to kind of, you've heard this, the quote, send it in business. And I really want to be. Building my visibility and I want to, you know, have that. So what are some, yeah, practices or tools or strategy, like insights that you can deliver for us, for anyone who wanting, who's starting out and just really want to start building that visibility muscle? Yeah, awesome. So the first thing I would say is show up even when you don't want to, but I would say especially when you don't want to. The beginning of business is really not based on how we feel because most of the time we're scared. So instead we want to really base it around, okay, I've set up this, the stats I've said, I want to post five times a week and I want to promote every day. So you set up your numbers when you're in CEO mode and then your emotions do not dictate what happens, especially at the beginning of business, when business is more evolved and you're more nuanced, that might be able to happen. Right, then have your numbers. So have what I just explained. When you're showing up on your feed I think it's always just easiest to write out like 10 topics you love speaking into and Circulate between those 10 topics. I'll repeat take the pressure off circulate Which one do people land with with which ones don't people land with what do I love doing hate doing etc Next is my favorite one and it's your stories And I have some really cool little formulas I teach for stories, but promote every day. If you aren't promoting daily, there's actually no point of being online. But it doesn't mean we have to be like, buy my thing, buy my thing, buy my thing! It's more of this energy of like, I call it lifestyle, screenshots, set, promo. So lifestyle is like, here is me, doing the thing, I love this, dream life vibes. Then it's like, this is this epic screenshot of what someone said. If you don't have them yet, you know, find out ways you could have them free sessions, etc. And then it's the call to action. If you want this too, shoot me a DM. DM Curious. If you want this too, come to my workshop. If you want this too, I'm running free sessions. Do you want to grab one? Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And then utilizing your DMs. Like, I'm really big on the DM space. It's how I grew my whole business. And focus on connection. Business, since the dawn of time, was connection based. Nothing has changed. Literally nothing. It's just that my parents, my dad was an entrepreneur. He had to like, go to factory to factory and be like, Hi mister, do you want my thing? And the person was like, no, get the hell out of here. But we just get to like rock up in people's DMs and show up on our stories. So I think really bringing it back to basics of connection, basics of putting yourself out there, basics of sharing your message, and then elevate it, tweak it, adjust it as you go. I mean, I could talk about it forever and a day, but that's a little, love it. Little cherry on top. Yeah, I know that was, that was so simplified and I can, we can tell how like exciting you get about this because you're right. It's, it's just, it can be so simple and yet it's always. It seems so complex, right, at the start, especially if you're starting off in business and an online space. So you said you created your sort of business on DMs. What are your thoughts on the automatic ManyChat DM process? I'd love to just, get you inside that. It's so interesting. It can work really well. So, what I love about ManyChat is that, say, you have a post, and at the bottom of the post, you're like, you know, comment, Promo111, right? And then the person comments that, and then, you know, ManyChat does its thing, so. For those that don't know, then Minichat sends the message and blah blah. That's amazing. But until you have, like, tens and tens and hundreds of people doing that, I don't know if there's a point in it. I personally don't use it yet, we might get like one or two, and I would prefer just a message. And I don't find that there's big I don't have any gaps of time between that happening or someone in my team messaging, but I just find that really easy, but it can be great because then many chat can support you with that process. What I have found is that nothing is quite like a human giving a nuanced response. But if you're so big and far along that the nuanced response no longer matters, that's where it can be really good. And I've seen it work for both people. I've seen it work for smaller businesses and I've seen it work for bigger business and I've seen it not work for both as well. And even some people I know who are in bigger businesses have played with turning it off and on and seeing just testing what happens. You know, data doesn't lie. That's why I love numbers. They're very literal. They don't know how to lie. It's just information. And then test which one's happening with which. And then see which one lands for you, your business, your audience. So it can, can work in that way. Does that answer the question, I guess? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, no, I am. Yeah, I was just curious to know your insight of it. So thank you. I, you know, I'm also quite neutral with it. Like I, I've also seen people working and some people just doesn't. And you're right, I think again, that discernment piece, you just have to play with the numbers, play with the data and see how it lands, you know, and can't go with that. I too, I Love building relationships too, so I see myself perhaps working with it, but also at the same time, love to build that connection. I mean, we chat all the time. I chat with both of you all the time, so, you know, it's great. It's a great platform for both, yeah. It probably depends too if you have a high ticket offer versus a low ticket offer. I would use it for like the low ticket offers, but if it was like a higher ticket offer and people have, specific questions, then I would text them. But if it was just a freebie. Then I'm totally fine with that. They can just go through the offering and sign up, sign themselves up and stuff. So that would be my, my thoughts on that. Yeah, I love that. That's interesting insight too. And then just always like, it's always looking at that and being like, okay, even if it's a freebie, what's the ratio of them signing up? Does it change? Does it not change? Or are they just like, cool, we don't care. It's a freebie. I'm just signing up. So I love it. Okay, well, should we wrap the episode up there? I feel like that was an amazing episode. Like you were saying, I feel like we could talk about so much of this forever. But, you know, I guess time, you know, ends eventually. so thank you so much for being here and chatting today. I've loved everything. Thank you for taking the time. Adriana, tell us anything that is on offer right now. What are you promoting? What is happening in your world? Tell the audience and where to find you as well. Obviously Instagram, but you know, well, and we put everything in the show notes too. But yeah, I'd love for you to give a little bit of sprinkle of that. Yes, I love it. So yes, obviously Instagram is my jam. Sure, yeah, like I said, it'll be below. And really, I love just like building connections on there and I answer everything, you know, eventually. So I'm very active there. And at the moment, we're focusing on two exciting things. One is We're rebuilding out some of our group program, which is fun to make it even more solid and exciting and just like the juiciest user experience ever. And then also having some one on one work open at the moment, which is rare but exciting at the same time. So really looking at cultivating some like deeper, more intimate you know, experiences with people where we can look at either just the emotional or the business with the emotional and just dive deep into all those hidden nooks and crannies and experience what's there for us. Amazing. And what's your website for people to type in to go and check all of this out? Or would they go to your Instagram? Yep, just to the Instagram. So everything's kept very conveniently in one cheeky spot. Okay, perfect. So we've checked that spot out and it has like, either I, you can shoot me a message and I send people through some things and links and things to look at, or there's some cheeky stuff in the highlights and fin to the top. Thank you so much, my love. It was so awesome to chat to you and yeah, till next time.