Taking Imperfect Action, Overcoming Paralysis Analysis & Giving Less Fucks

The Evolution of Self, Judgment, and Cringe

Welcome back to "Trusting the Universe and Sh*t"! In this episode, we're diving into the evolution of self, the nature of judgment, and how to embrace those cringey moments from our past.

Episode Highlights:

• The Evolution of Self: Reflecting on our growth over time and the personal transformations we've experienced.
• Judgment Detox: Exploring why we judge, and how this judgment affects our self-perception.
• Embracing Cringe: Acknowledging and celebrating the cringey moments from our past as markers of our progress.
• Imperfect Action: The importance of overcoming paralysis by analysis and taking the first step, even if it’s imperfect.
• Overwhelmed?: Breaking down overwhelming tasks into manageable steps to make progress more attainable.
• Reflecting on Growth: Looking back on our journey with kindness and recognizing how far we’ve come.
• Self-Forgiveness: Practicing self-forgiveness and being kind to ourselves as we continue to grow and evolve.
• Giving Less Fucks: Is your bucket of fucks too big? We talk about how you can give away some of those fucks.

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Transcript

Ané: 0:00

just take the action and then see what you are delighted with, with the universe. Sometimes you just need to do that one action, that one, like movement, and then it just somehow falls into place.

Stacey: 0:13

I wish I was further along by now. It's like, no, no, no. You're exactly where you need to be. You just need to take the next step. Welcome to. Episode. 50. Theory. Of trusting. Trusting the universe and chip. I'm here with N a. The beautiful N a. And today we're. Going to be talking. About getting a little bit triggered a little bit. When we feel cringey, when we feel. I feel like. That little twinge in ourselves when we see something and we think, Hmm. That's you know, that. Doesn't that. You know, When you judge other people and you also judge. Yourself. So that feeling like when you're judging something and you think you're getting triggered there. And yeah. What else are we going to be talking about today?

Ané: 0:56

Yes. It was going to be about just the evolution of self and because we've both been kind of reflecting on our journey of being in business and having projects and social media and all the things. And it's like, we wanted to really just see that, like, sometimes it takes Day to day you're evolving, but you don't see it right. Like right now I'm looking at my grass. It's like every day, like you don't see your grass actually growing like a couple of inches or whatever. But then like a week later, you come out or like, or a year later. And you're like, Oh my God. Like I'm such a different person than I was a year ago or six months ago. Or this, you know, this. experience that I had I'm responding so differently. So yeah, we wanted to talk about that and sort of how we got there, I guess. And also like what times we've had to really hold ourselves through the judgment of ourselves and yeah, all of this juicy stuff.

Stacey: 1:55

Yeah. So the evolution of ourselves, because we were talking before about how, when we came onto the podcast, You know, because it's been a year now. And we look back on old episodes and we listened to those and we think, wow, we've come so far since then. And. It's. Yeah. It's like you say, watching the grass grow, even, you know, your hair grows, you don't. You can't see it grow. But then you have to cut it every so often because so something's happening, but you can't even witness it until a really long. Time period passes and then you're all of a sudden, oh yeah, I do. I have grown in this way. And you can notice certain things. And you will never get there unless you start doing the thing, you will never get to that growth unless you just start, start some way, just start with some thing, make some choice. And then take action on that choice. And then see what happens because I was thinking also this morning about, you know, I w so often, also late between, do I do this thing? Do I do this thing? Do I do this thing? And then I hear that voice that says, no, no, you just have to choose one for now. Do it. And then see what you think about it. Because you can't just sit inside your head and be all theoretical all the time. It's very hard to make a decision that way. I'm like, just do it. And then decide if you like it. And when you continue.

Ané: 3:15

And also then, like, I could say, like, I, I, I've been reflecting on that too, is like, just take the action and then see what you are delighted with, with the universe. And this is what we always want to talk about in the podcast. It's like, sometimes you just need to do that one action, that one, like movement, and then it just somehow falls into place. And we go into this logical mind of like, okay, this is the strategy. This is this and that. And you go into this whole thing, which then. I found has paralyzed me in, you know, old ways of not actually taking action at all. Cause I'm like, Oh my God, this six month project is going to take forever. It's going to take so much energy. I'm so exhausted already by it. And I haven't even started and I don't want to do it. Like, no, thank you. But actually all I needed to do was just do the first step, which is probably, I don't know, create a social media account. Like, and then tomorrow make your first post or, you know, connect with some, like literally just take. Little, little steps every day and then yeah, in a year's time, you're gonna be like, Oh my gosh, I'm having an awesome podcast with like a great friend. And we, you know, we've connected with so many beautiful people and we're, you know, like this and we couldn't have shattered eyes to be like, we're going to do five. We're going to interview five people in six, you know, different countries or like, we didn't do that because we were like, no, let's be delighted with what comes up. And it's been. The best sort of way to take those actions and see how we evolve at the same

Stacey: 4:45

Yeah. And also what you're talking about there is overwhelm. When you're thinking too far ahead, you're thinking 20, 30 steps ahead. And then you get overwhelmed because of course, that's way too much for one person to take on in that moment. And then you go, I really don't want to go down that road. Sometimes you can look at something like that. If you have the. Prior experience of having done that exact thing. But when it's something new, You don't know what it's going to be like. Exactly. You'll just imagining her hypothetical situations. May not ever eventuate into anything real. So you're looking at something and you're inventing what you think it's going to be like, but it may not in fact be anything like the way you're imagining it. So that's also like why we just take those small steps, like you said, we take the first step rather than going. Okay, these are all the things I need to do. No, no, it's too overwhelming. I'm not going to start and we're not going to take any action. And if you take not, no action. You're never going to get to the clarity in the hindsight because. Nothing is going to. Happen when you're just sitting with the thoughts in your head. And then you're allowing all their sauce to overtake you.

Ané: 5:57

Yes. Yes. Well, that's like the paralysis analysis, essentially. It's like you're just like stuck in this like energy because you just, you know that there's so many different directions. Like even this morning, like the slightest thing, I just broke up and I was not in a good mood. Like I was just like, I've had this like ear pain and like I've been like my tooth has also been hurting because I'm like clenching my jaw like I've been stressed. I've been a little bit all over the shop and this morning I did not want to do a breathwork but I knew it was the only way to get into my heart and into my body because I tend to be very much in my head and so I did that. There was a lot of resistance and then I My heart was like, just go to a cafe and do some work. Like, just get out of this environment. And just that little action has shifted the rest of my day. I'm like somehow in a great mood. I've accomplished so much and it's like all okay. And you're right. It's like, I didn't, I, I wasn't like, really. Real, like visualizing, okay, this is how my day is going to be. Like I had all these to do lists and my mind was like on overdrive that I was like, didn't even want to do anything. It was so paralyzed. But once I just like took some time to breathe, took myself out of this environment, go get a coffee, like just enjoy the little bit, it's like completely transformed my day. And I've done more in the last couple of hours than I would have all day. Cause I know how I would have been. I would have been procrastinated. I probably would have like just done. Things that wasn't needed to be done, and it just would have been so messy.

Stacey: 7:25

Yeah, I think the judgment pot comes into this as well. Sometimes when you judge yourself for not having done what you should have done, quote unquote. I should have. Don X by now in the day. And then I find that sometimes when you judge yourself for thinking. I really should have done more. And then that's what can lead to further stagnation because you get stuck and you think, ah, ah, and you start to feel down on yourself. But what I find the best thing to do in that situation is when you immediately forgive yourself. And like you said, just go and do something else. Just shift your energy. And learn to shift your energy really quickly and just go, how can I do that? Maybe it's doesn't necessarily need to be going to a cafe. You may have your own modality. It might just be having a shower. Maybe you have a rebounded jumping trampoline. Maybe do some breath work, maybe. Just do something else. You make a phone call. Maybe it's, I don't know what it is for you, but you find that thing for you and just change your energy, learn to change your energy when you're in those. Modes of stagnation. And see what works for you. See what you can feel changes at energy. And forgive yourself for not being, oh, I really should have done this. And then feeling really bad about it. Cause that can lead you into that spiral. You know, just spin right down to the spiral and then you'll stuck in this hole and you're looking up out of it going. Oh, my God. Fuck. What do I do?

Ané: 9:00

Yeah, and I also want to add to that, like, it is okay to change your mind, like, I know there's been many times where I'm like, this week, I'm going to launch this, and I'm going to have this done, and I'm going to do this, and like, in that moment, it sounds so expensive and great, and then you wake up on the Monday, or the Tuesday, or the Wednesday, and you haven't done any of that, because you've shifted your mind, you're like, actually, no, my body, and my heart, and my mind needs this instead, and you do that instead. Yeah. Yeah. Can you, like you say with that forgiveness piece, like, can you just forgive yourself to changing your mind. Like you don't have to be rigid. You don't have to be so fixed mind, fixed mindset about it. Because I think in that sense, yeah, you go, that's that spiral. That's starting, you know, that's that time of like, okay, now I have to act a certain way. And it's like very inauthentic. And I just find that people, myself included, they spiral. And then they are so much more. in stagnant energy without them even noticing. And so yeah, it's okay to change your mind and then pivot and then move on. Like it's not a big deal. And I bet you nine times out of 10, if you said to someone or to your audience, Hey, I'm going to do this this week. And then it didn't show up. They probably forgot to like, they have lives too. They probably didn't even realize that you were talking about this thing that was going to happen this week, you know? So it's fine to change your mind.

Stacey: 10:19

Yeah. And also just to add to that, it's fine to change your mind. I could not agree more with that. To change your mind about the types of services you want to offer about the types of work that you want to put out into the world. If you're being called to something. You follow the threads of that and not just feel like no, but I've put, you know, it's like the sunk cost fallacy of I've sunk this many years, this much money into learning and doing this university degree, I need to utilize that for this. But maybe you can't push it forward because you don't feel that ignited passion for it anymore. And you just don't feel that drive and you're pushing this rock up a hill and you can't, it feels heavy. You feel like. I cannot do it anymore. But you've got this sunk cost fallacy of, but I've spent all this time and energy and money. I have to utilize it. It's like, no, you don't. Because you can, you can use those skills, but just in a different way, maybe, maybe there's a way that you can morph those skills into something else. And maybe you are in fact, utilizing those skills into what you're doing now. In a different way.

Ané: 11:26

I love that. So true. And I actually just, you know, you can apply this to like that, the cringeness that we were about to talk about as well. Like I know there's multiple times where in that moment, it felt so electrifying to post that thing, to talk about this, launch that, to do this project. And then You evolve, you grow, you learn and then you move on and then you would go back to that and you'd be like, man, I had so, I, I cringe over that version of myself, but why? Because in that moment, you were thriving, you were loving it. You thought you were the shit because you like took the action and you made the bold move and you're proud of yourself and you know, all as well. So I just, If you found yourself, like, in that state where you're like, Ooh, that's so cringe, or Ooh, I really wish I didn't say it that way, or whatever, No, give yourself compassion, know that that was actually perfect, you needed, it was like that step on the ladder of, like, evolution, like, that needed to happen in order for you to be this version that you are right now.

Stacey: 12:30

It reminded me. I was doing some digital decluttering on the weekend. And I found some old work that I'd done for these like sports. I don't know some sports branding. And I found like the document and I was looking at it and I was really cringing because I was like, This is like, not that good. I was like, I was like, this is pretty mediocre work. And, but I like, at that time, You know, how do I get better? Unless I put that workout at the level of skill that I'm at. That's the only way, like you said, to get to the next step in the letter is to put it out. And if you stop yourself from even just putting it out and doing it. You'll never going to get better. And I see people block themselves from this. No, no, no, I can't put, I can't put my videos on Instagram. I just, I don't know how to speak. Well, I don't know how to. I don't and I present myself. Yeah. And the way that you're going to get better at it is by doing it. And by practicing it. And. You cannot. So in a year's time from now, You think to yourself? If I had to start it today. By years from now, I would've gotten so much better. I would've gotten more articulate. Maybe I could have told stories better. Maybe I could've communicated more effectively. Then you're never going to get there unless you're actively doing it and practicing it every day, not every day, but you know, whenever you, you know, deem. Yeah.

Ané: 13:50

I totally. And it actually made me think of like the podcast, like when we first released it, I was so proud of us. I was like, man, we really like speaking from our heart and we're really doing the thing. Like, but it was so freaking scary. And mind you on my personal account, I've never really shared any work stuff. Like it's not, it's just my personal life. And some like. Personal work things that I do, but it was never like, you know, I don't know, like this homo action. It was never like that in, in my personal. So when we did it, it was so, I was like, I had so much judgment for myself because I was like, Oh, there's people that's going to think that this is so cringe and just, Oh, another podcast. And, Oh, just another person trying to make like, just all of this chatter in my mind. And now looking back, I'm like, who? cares and also it's not my business to know what they think about me like cool they can think about that and it reminds me of this quote that's like I don't really know exactly how it goes but so along the lines of like people who judge you Usually people that do less, like they, they want to do the big things. I want to make the bold moves, but they don't. And so their default is to just judge and think you're cringe and all the things. And it's so true. Like, I, I just remind myself to that quote, because it's like, I never judge anyone who does the bold moves. I'm like, good on you, girl. I know the fear. Like, I know the feeling, like the cringe moments. And so I, I just. Yeah. I, I just think that anyone who's listening and is sort of in that verge of doing something new or, you know, sharing something that could be controversial, whatever, just, I bet you, you're going to be so proud of yourself in a year's time.

Stacey: 15:34

Yep. Absolutely. And so I was watching this video yesterday about this woman. She was talking about somebody young asked how many, like at what age do you stop giving a fuck? Like at what age do you start? Not really caring. And this lady was saying, you know, At a certain point, she just, she had this bucket of Fox and you give this bucket of fucks to people and you're handing them out. And then she's like, eventually I just, I had a bucket and then I started dropping them because I thought I don't want to be carrying this around all the time. It's really heavy. She's like, and then I had a few pockets full. And a few pockets full of these fucks. And then eventually she was like, I don't want to keep this shit in my pocket anymore. I want to give these fucks away. I don't want to hold them and carry them around all the time. And I think that's the process. Of releasing them. You just, you release them every so often you, you, you release one more and then as you go every couple months, you know, you can, you can start to break down the Fox that you have to give for certain things.

Ané: 16:35

I love her. I love the swearing. It's so, it's so, it's so funny because it's so visual, like I can, I can see these buckets and these like boxes and like, you know, things in, oh my gosh, it just says fuck on them. I just love it. It's great.

Stacey: 16:50

Maybe we should make some like Mike, a mug that says like, I have like my bucket of foxes getting smaller every day.

Ané: 16:58

Yes, add it to the list. Absolutely. I want a t shirt that says that, honestly. But I, I so love it. And it's so true. And one thing that I wanted to add to that is sometimes like, You see these people that do these amazing stuff and they're so efficient with it. And the only way that they got there was by starting like, hello. The only way that they got there was trial and erroring the whole time. And I think that like, we forget that. And we look at this like overnight success, but the last 10 years, they also had cringy moments. They also used colors or fonts or. Imagery that was a bit like, but like they just did it and they just worked on it. And eventually they just found the flow of their projects and the things that they do. And I think the same applies to us. Like once we can just let go of these fucks of this judgment of this cringe, like you just going to have all of this creation and ideas and inspiration that just wants to flow through you because now you're just this pure vessel to express. And the most.

Stacey: 18:03

Hm. Yeah. And when ever we judge, and whenever we critique ourselves, critiquing is a little bit different from pure judgment. Judgment critiquing is okay. Because sometimes it can be. Constructive. But when we're coming from that place of like pure judgment and we judge ourselves, all that he's doing is putting a stopper and a blockage. On. On our beautiful creation. And showing up in the world. And creating that judgment is so useless. It's so useless. It's preventing you from. You know, Creating your soul work, creating. The work that. You were here. Here to create. And whenever you judge. Another person. All it is you're. You're doing is you're creating within yourself. This. Dialogue. Of judgment for yourself. So every time you judge someone else, it's like a merit bounces right back on to you. And what happens is you do that to yourself. So for people that are, that are saying, you know, I don't know if I really judge myself so much, if you're judging other people, you definitely are because it's that judgment of other people that creates the dialogue in your head that continues on with this judgment of. What's what's good. What's not good. And you're you're yeah, you're creating these value judgements. When all you really should be doing is like honing your craft. Showing up contributing to other people and not really. Having this toxic thoughts that are swirling swirling around in your head, because all it's doing is preventing you from connecting with people. From creating really quality work from. Helping people and, you know, essentially that's what we're here to do. Isn't It's to like connect, to create. To contribute.

Ané: 19:45

Yeah, to collab, to create. Yeah, have, have fun with it. And so true, like, and I just want to add a little bit to that judgment piece of the mirroring back. I think sometimes people think, oh, well, like, I don't judge myself for the things that I judge for others. And it's like, no, but judgment can come then back to you Different ways, like maybe you judge yourself for eating too much, maybe you judge yourself for sleeping in too much or going to bed too late, maybe judge you like, like, just because you judge someone on a specific thing doesn't mean that thing is also going to come back to you that you're going to judge it's going to be in a different, it's going to be a different vibe, but it's still that bouncing back of judgment. So I think that's like a really, you know, maybe it is, yeah, it could be so many things, but I just, I think that there is an indication of we're always. reflecting back to us. We just have to be open and honest. Self awareness is key here to know what it is. I mean, even like listening back to our old episodes, like there's moments that I was like, Oh, like get it out. Like, just make your, just say what you need to say. But like, I also love her because I wouldn't be who I am now. And the evolution of what's to come for us, if. We didn't take that first step, you know, so like it's beautiful. And I think as long as you're also creating and being that vessel, but from a place of pure love and intentionality, like you cannot do wrong, you know, you just, you truly are conju conju con chip. Oh my God. What's the word? Contributing. There we go. Contributing to the collective. And I think that's really beautiful. And just remind yourself of that every time you're about to take a big step in, in something that you may feel like is a bit cringe.

Stacey: 21:37

Yeah. And as you were talking, I was just, I was imagining this younger version of you and you're loving on this younger version of you because that version of you. If she didn't show up to do what she did, then you wouldn't be you now. So when we look back and we cringe were judging. Oh, we were judging that version of us. We're saying, Ooh, that version of myself. She didn't do a very good job, but she did what she could in the moment that, and with the skillset that she had. And so we should even treat that as a version of judgment of okay. She really did what she could. Cause if it could have been better, it would've been better, but it wasn't. So she did everything that she could in that moment, you know? And so we should love in that version, those past versions of ourselves, because they enable the evolution of who we are now. And then the version of us right now is going to enable the version of us in the future. Who's going to be better. Who's going to be more refined, potentially. You know, you can't just like, say for example, like with video or something, you know, you want to show up and you want to, you know, create a cool video or something. You can't just go straight into a full on production with the lights and the cameras in the. Everything without having ever done anything prior because. This, it's not going to. You're not going to have. Developed your storytelling skills. You're not going to have developed. The presence, the awareness, the confidence. To go straight from where you are now to some future version of you. So it is like this incremental evolutional growth.

Ané: 23:14

Yes. Okay. That's so funny that you mentioned the word confidence, because as you were speaking, I was like, that's what confidence is at the end of the day. Like, that's what that's what self, you know, trust is and security within is these moments of like, Ooh, this is on the edge. This is. really difficult. This is a new step, but I'm going to leap. I have myself, I've trust myself. I may not know everything right now. I may sound really silly right now, but I'm going to leap. And doing that over and over and over again is what the confidence is, what we build confidence in. Like you look at those people that just have this inability that has like this inner confidence and you just wonder, wow, like how did I get there? Or like, how did I radiate that? And it's like, they, Probably did the cringy thing over and over again. They took the little leaps over and over again, and eventually they've gotten to this place. And I love that you mentioned about, you know, you can't just wake up and have like the huge production team because you still have to do the nitty gritty and that nitty gritty is the skill sets, it's the experience, it's the knowledge that we don't even know what there is yet until You are experiencing it, build the wisdom, the knowledge, and then you can have that next stage, right? It's kind of like a game. Like life really is a game and having these projects and businesses is really like every level counts. Every level you got to conquer something and then move to the next. And I think that's where, you know, You probably have that level in, in the cringe, in the judgment every time, but it's just, it's like that saying, what did I say? Like, new level, same devil, dress differently or Well, yeah, new level new devil is the one that I know Yeah, I, I had a mentor that said it like, Same devil dress definitely. But like same, same, same really. And it's so true. It's exactly that. And the devil is just that little cringy little voice.

Stacey: 25:12

Yeah. And it sort of reminds me of when people win the lottery. They win all of this money. Right. And they, they think it's going to solve all of your problems, but most people. And who win the lottery either. There's lots of murders in the family and this there's a lot of problems that it causes and they haven't built up themselves into. Allowing themselves to hold the frequency of that money. So they haven't done all the work that's required in order for them to have that money, because if something just gets handed to you like that, And you haven't built up your frequency to that, level. Of course, you're going to disappear. So this why it's it's required that we meet out edge. Like you're saying you. You meet your edge and your nervous system has to be able to regulate with that edge because sometimes people will say, you know, It's this common thing, you. know, you have to go outside of your comfort zone. But it's not always that you have to jump all the way out. It's this incremental little levels. It's the incremental new level, new devil. Yes, you get to a new level and there's something new that you, that you will have to develop within yourself and then overcome. Then you get to the next one. You don't always have to go all the way. Jump to. You know, winning a million dollars because the frequency that you've developed within yourself, It's not going to be able to handle that your nervous. System's not going to be able to handle it. So that's why. It's the level, it's the law of these levels going up? Step-by-step.

Ané: 26:45

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, like, totally. And I think it's like, we, so many people are like, we go, Oh, once I have this, I'll be this. Once I have this. It's like, no, it's like embodiment is what needs to happen first and foremost. And that's why we always speak about it because I didn't think people understand like how important it is. Like you have to, yeah, you have to wire your nervous system, you have to wire the new frequency within your body. You have to embody all of that first before you can. Hold it because the thing is, yeah, people do win the lottery, but then what happens? They lose it. What happens? They, you know, they sabotage it or it's the same thing with anything in life. Like you have to like build onto that, like a muscle to be able to hold that frequency and not lose it, you know? So I love that we're speaking on this and I think the same, it applies to anything, whether that is starting a new business, starting a new project, whether it is holding that frequency, you know, whether it's building on your evolution, it's, it's so much. And I, I, yeah, I just think this is such a good conversation because it's so important.

Stacey: 27:49

Yeah. Yeah. it is important. It's important. for us. us. too. Have that. Love of every. The stage of ourselves. I have that. Pure. PW like gratitude for the person I was last week, last year, last five years who showed up and that also ties into when people say to themselves, I wish I was further along by now. It's like, no, no, no. You're exactly where you need to be. You just need to take the next step. Just keep taking the next step. because every part of you has. Been along this journey that has. come along with you. You know, from the inner child to the team, to the young adult, to where you. are now, it's everyone who's contributed to your life has been there. Contributing.

Ané: 28:33

And sometimes we look back on, we, we go. Yeah, she wasn't very good, but that's mean. So mean. Actually it's me. Yeah. Yeah Yeah Like, we all have that mean girl inside our heads and let's just not give her a seat at the table because I know she's there to like, you know, keep us safe and whatnot, but she also gives you stagnancy. She also makes you reap the constant patterns and lessons until you do. And I think sometimes we, we're so mean to ourselves that we don't realize that we're probably more mean to ourselves than the people around us or the people. And no, get me wrong. There's a lot of trolls and meanness online, as we know. But you don't know these people and they don't have to do anything to your life. You know, they don't really impact your life and nor should they, but the one in your head does. And we just have to be mindful of her. Yup. Yeah, because. That's the one we can control. Because the ones. That are external of. We can't control. control. What other. other. shit, people are going to. Say, but we can. can. in theory. Control. Troll the voices that are inside our own head and when we have those judgmental thoughts. So we, we jumped to a conclusion. We need to catch it and just start to observe our mind and just be the observer.

Stacey: 29:51

You know, if you're just starting off on this journey to detox from judgment, just observing your mind and see what kinds of thoughts you do have, and just note it down without judgment, because you don't want to judge you being judgmental of yourself. Cause that's also judgment. That's a bit meta, but you know what I mean? He like, oh, I'm sorry. Judgmental. That's also being judgmental.

Ané: 30:12

They got ya, she got you

Stacey: 30:14

So just observe, just observe, just see, see, see what thoughts you're having. And you will be able to break down a lot. If you start to observe those thoughts.

Ané: 30:23

Yeah, I love that. So true. And yeah, let us know what you guys find helpful in this episode. And if you guys have loved any of the episodes, we'd love, love, love a review, a few stars and yeah, give us, give us a rundown on what you love the most so we can do that more because this helps us a lot when there is review and activity happening on our podcast.

Stacey: 30:49

Yes, please do. And if you think one of the episodes would be great for a friend, send it to them. Send us a message. If anything resonated for you. And if you'd like to send us an email, you can, we're at heller@trustingtheuniverseandshit.com. We'd love to hear from you.

Ané: 31:05

Yes. And also, if you want anyone for us to interview or have a chat with, please link us and, and email us and let us know. And if there's any questions you want us to ask on your behalf, let us know because yeah, we'd love to do that. And we're very excited for All of the new people coming on soon.

Stacey: 31:27

Thank you so much for being here. We really appreciate you and we'll see you on the next episode.