Following your fear, faith or fate? Saying Yes (and No) with Purpose

Ever wondered if you’re on the right path? This episode dives into trusting those nudges from fate, even when you feel unqualified or uncertain. Join Stacey and Ané as they chat about taking leaps, tuning into intuition, and embracing the gritty side of running a business. From personal stories about saying “yes” too quickly to tips on balancing risk with discernment, they’ll show you how to navigate the ups and downs with clarity and confidence.

Learn how to tackle the hard stuff to build a smoother journey ahead. They talk about staying grounded, setting realistic client expectations, and the importance of having supportive people around. Whether you're facing self-doubt or wondering if a tough situation is “for your highest good,” this episode will give you a new perspective.

If you're ready for some real talk on business and self-development, tune in for this gentle smackdown.

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Intro music by Tyler Dixon

Transcript

Ané: 0:05

some people may not resonate. In fact, they might be very irritated by that. And some people may love it. And that's our people.

Stacey: 0:11

How do you know when to dive into something? Sometimes you won't know until you do it. And then you get the clarity after you take the action

Ané: 0:47

Hello, everyone. And welcome to another episode of trusting the universe and shit. It's of course, the Stacey and I.

Stacey: 0:55

Hello, everyone. Thank you so much for joining us. We're happy to have you here again.

Ané: 1:01

Stacey and I have had this new role that's just come up in our business and in our life. perhaps it's something because we've gotten ourselves the support or We, always are into self development, so we just know when to catch ourselves, we wanted to talk about just this fated turn of events that happen in life and what you do about it. do you run away and neglect that or do you go head first into it and trust?

Stacey: 1:30

Yeah. And figuring out when to use your discernment, when opportunities arise in deciding for yourself. Is this a path that I should be following? Or is this some type of teaching moment for me to learn, to hold my boundary? Or is this. A new pathway. Towards my passion that maybe haven't considered before that you want to follow.

Ané: 1:54

Yeah, beautifully said. And actually, as you're speaking about it, I'm like, maybe, something that I feel the podcasts have done is really initiated this conviction within us. Like, we, of course, if you, run a podcast, you say the damn things, the more you do it as well, you know what I mean? By the time if you've already thought it through or whatever, it's too late. she's going to be posted. And I think, there's something really beautiful about that conviction. And perhaps this is why this particular things for us have manifested because we've sort of unintentionally, but intentionally stepped into this new role.

Stacey: 2:31

I think what we're talking about here today is when fate, like you said, fate steps in and fate. It says here. How about you try this? And then you say to yourself, Could I do that? Am I qualified? Do people trust me enough to do this? Am I capable? Can I do this? And often you get this voice in your head saying you can't do this. Like, you're not ready. You're not qualified. You don't know enough, even though. You know, I have been in business for 10 years. There's still a part of you that thinks you can't do a lot of things. You still think to yourself. I can't do that. I can't. There's a lot of voices that go on inside your head and then you have to. Go through the webs, like the spider webs of, okay. This one over here to the left. Is my voice. That's the one I trust this one over here is an external voice. This is something else is telling me that I cannot do something. And then you are left. In the center. Trying to decide. Okay. But. Which pot of me. Do I follow like, like what thread do I followed? Which. Passion, do I follow? What road do I really take down and take that leap and jump into something completely new. Into a skill that you'll not necessarily. You know, doing day to day and you haven't been technically trained at university, you haven't done a certification. And then you just do it at some, at some point, you just say like, screw it. I'm just going to do it. And I think even when I very first started out. Like in business. I think I started doing like selling clothes at a market and my auntie said, oh, you'd be really good at that. And I thought, yeah, I could do that. And then I went all out and I bought these really expensive. Like clothing, racks. That were like scream, something or other, I don't know, very expensive. And I own the. I ended up doing two markets. And then after that, I just went nah. so how do you know, how do you know when to dive into something? Sometimes you won't know until you do it. And then you get the clarity after you take the action. I don't have an assay necessarily for knowing when you dive into something new and you're cold to something. I think sometimes you have to just take a leap of faith and then see what's going to happen.

Ané: 4:52

I love you. I love that you always like ask all these questions and you're like, I don't know the answer. So you got to figure it out. No, but it is good. It's good to like, obviously not give people the answer because well, everyone's going to have their own perspective on it anyways, but it's right though. It's kind of nice though, to have these faded events happen. because you realize, Oh, okay. When I I'm open, like I'm open channel for whatever, is for my highest good. And I think that this is for our highest good. And, you know, to be a little bit more specific for me, like lately with clients, yes, we do the strategy. Yes, we do the systemization, but a lot of the times we also look at the humanness behind the business. Because you can set up all of the systemization and the strategy in the world, but then the human is like either super overwhelmed or is going to super like avoid it all because they don't feel safe. Like there's a time and a place for like the edge and meeting that expansion and going for it. And also making sure you know, nervous system can hold that ability and can able to really proceed in that new direction that you want to go. I would do all these things for businesses and then there's a bit of a roadblock that happens like there's just like, but no one can really see what that is. We don't see the actual roadblock itself. There's like, but what I've noticed it's, oh, there's a bit of a shadow coming out. There's a bit of the, you know, fears and the doubts that are coming out. And can I be a safe enough person for whoever I work with to Bring forth that and this is something that I noticed, you know, maybe a year or a bit ago and it was now Recently, I've noticed that I am a safe person. Like a lot of clients can come to me and be like, listen, I want to do this and that, but this is what's coming up. And that has been a really beautiful reflection for me to be like, thank you for trying that because previously I wasn't like people would just have all these excuses in the world. Same with me. Like I would have all these excuses in the world and they'd be like, oh, well, better, better luck next year. But actually there was something that was deeper playing out I think that's where that fate was playing. I was always along there, but not until it was right in front of my face of like, I can either just go ahead on with it or I can make up all the excuses and yeah, it's been really nice to support like the human behind the business because we are our greatest asset at the end of the day. That's the most important part of it all.

Stacey: 7:18

As you were talking, I was just reminded that, entrepreneurship, having your own businesses, one of the greatest self-development journeys you could ever go on. And it will ask you to challenge and stretch yourself beyond anything you ever would in any other situation. And we have to, we are confronted daily with choices, decisions. Self-worth we, when we price our services, You know, our self-worth comes into it. We are constantly. Butting up against these blockages. And so, you know, when you are working with the clients, they, those are going to show up because like you said, like I will do a bunch of work for people and I'll say, Hey, go, here's your website. Here's all your products. I've done it all for you. Here's the strategy and nothing would happen. And I started saying to myself one day, What's going on here. And that's when I started digging into the real reasons why people were getting very stuck and couldn't move beyond that. So I think in business to have that kind of support with your working, like, how you work with your hybrid clients I think that's really important to have that in someone that you work with. Someone that you can trust and to move beyond not just. Here's a PDF.

Ané: 8:38

Yeah. so true. And thanks for bringing up hybrid because that is my favorite gazeta. But really you're right. this is something that I wish we had, 10 years ago or five years ago where it's like, cause that's the thing. It was always you either work with a mentor on your mindset or your embodiment or a spiritual coach for that, or you do the systems and the strategy but we've got to have a nice blend of both. And I think once we can kind of open up the blend of both, you can see that like miracles just start to happen. Things just start to unfold as it needs. And so, yeah, I just love that people are now seeing us as A bit of like mentors that they can come to with particular stuff because like I think we're such an open book, like we're willing to also be like, yeah, hi. I was there too. I still have that fear. I think having that, it's not like trauma bonding. It's not that. It's just like, I see you. I feel you. I hear you. But also like, let. Not be stuck in that, you know, it's this beautiful, like tough love, but also I acknowledge it. And I think, yeah, that's just been a really nice highlight. And like I said, I feel like the podcast has done this for us. Like we've been able to just like say it how we want to say it with conviction and some people may not resonate. In fact, they might be very irritated by that. And some people may love it. And that's, that's our people.

Stacey: 9:59

Yeah. If this is irritating you, then it's not for you. Don't have to listen. And. Something else you were saying before about when we're doing something ultimately for our highest good. Sometimes we think, okay, I made a choice. I took a leap. I followed what I thought was going to be for my highest good. And then it ended up being really. Terrible. It ended up sticky. It ended up being very. HOD. And sometimes I think that was part of your highest good. It was part of a lesson that you'd learned in some way. So even though we think, Hmm, that's not my highest good. Even if it was very difficult that could ultimately be for your soul grow. So it could be for your highest good. It just doesn't seem like it might be perceiving it as. oh, I want everything to be easy and flowy and it's not always that way. So I think sometimes you want me to go towards these fated kind of events, fated. Pathways. It doesn't necessarily always look the way that you think it's going to look. So sometimes that's when I think the doubt kicks in, we think this is really hard. Maybe it's not right. But I think sometimes. Things are hard, so that. We can really learn. When things are really hard, we learn. To be very discerning. Because we think I'm not going to try and do everything. It's going to take too much energy and effort. So I think it's good when things take the grit, the hard work, the. Getting right. Into the depths of things can be a really good teacher because now when I go to take on a project or a client, I wouldn't be very willingly about it. I'll be very discerning. And I'll say I'll really, really think about it because I know how much work it's going to take. And so that can help me. Like with my dissertation and it can help me decide whether I want to just. dive into something. So the hard work and sticky situations have taught me that. And then when an opportunity comes up and somebody says, can you do something that you haven't done before? And I say, yes. You know, I am taking a pot of a risk, but I'm also partially just standing. So half of me is saying. There is a risk here and the other half is saying, okay, but it's half grounded. So it's almost like that's how I make the choice. It's half half. I go, okay. Half of me feels pretty good about this. The other half. It feels like it's a risk. And I feel like that's a good way to be about it.

Ané: 12:37

yeah, it's for sure. And I also just when you are either stretching your skill set or your expertise on something like you're not really sure of, like, I always just bring it up. Hey, like there's a similar system or project or whatever that I've worked on, but I haven't exactly used those exact methods. And I have found that just voicing that so that the client or the project, knows. There's this burden that kind of gets lifted for me because I feel like I'm not, I don't know what the word is, but I feel a bit not guilty. I don't know what the word is, but I just have to voice that in order for them to also be aware. And then I, nine times out of 10, we figure it all out together. Whereas if you're like, Yeah. I can do it, but you're actually not fully honest, knowing how to do it, then that's when, I have found that. The project's way harder, the connection tends to be a bit off. And this is all things that we've learned over the course of, having a business and doing projects. Like, this wasn't an over the night situation, and I think people need to understand that. Like, you're gonna ebb and flow with the lessons and the mistakes and then the fears and the failures and all of these things. but I love that you brought up the discernment piece and also taking the time to answer as well, because making an on whim kind of decision or saying yes to something, when your body's actually saying no, or, voicing the price of something that actually isn't in alignment with how much it's going to take the bandwidth and energy, all of this stuff really can hold you back. And it's just, you know, you got to be aware of that stuff and like, it's all lessons and it's all important, but you do have to be quite yeah, discerned about how this is, because otherwise, like, you're just going to be on this. Like ever circle and you're not actually going to get to that glass ceiling.

Stacey: 14:30

Yeah. I think it's always better to under promise and over deliver than the other way around. And like, you're talking about setting expectations up for the client so that they're aware of what your capabilities are so that they know. And I've definitely been in situations where I've just told people, they say, can you do this? And I say, yeah, this was when I very first started out.

Ané: 14:54

Yeah.

Stacey: 14:55

a whole new program to do that project. Sometimes you can, but I don't think that that's very smart. To do that because. When something's completely outside of your capabilities, you're not going to know how to hit your deadlines. You're not going to know. How. it's just, it's not a good practice to do that. So I feel like, As long as you're sort of halfway there with your capabilities and you feel like, I could probably take this leap and there's always going to be a part of you. That's taking a leap. I think that's good. Because I think it's good to take leaps and it's good to trust yourself and leap up a level. And Sadia Sophia. I could learn something extra for this and up-skill and have something new on to your tool belt to be able to help people.

Ané: 15:43

Yeah. I love that. it's so good that you brought up the, like, I made this mistake of saying yes, when I have no idea how to use a program and that's what I, like the specifics matter because it's so true. Like how many times have we said yes about something and I severely undercharged someone, or I severely like. Even over promised a thing and I did not was able to deliver that like you've now lost not even a client but also potential referrals as well and I think that's a huge mistake that we make like we have to be a little bit humble like especially at the start when you're kind of finding your feet and what you're good at and what your strengths and weaknesses are It's really just finding the data and collecting that and then rinse and repeating what is working. But at that initial stage, like, yeah, the mistakes, the mistakes go so deep, but like, we can look back at it now and be like, okay, I, I know that this was, Where I needed to take a minute to breathe and like really check into myself. I know when my flaws are, like being a yes person and so maybe it is, you know, can I please get back to you in 24 hours message? making sure you use those toolkits. Just like how we will use. We need like a bit of a business hub tool kit in order to find know your weaknesses and strengths and then proceed them.

Stacey: 17:07

You know how you were talking about when people are new in business and they going along, it's very easy to dive in with two feet and we go all the way in, and we're just like, And we can get into a lot of trouble doing that. Because, we're not grounded. I nervous system isn't regulated over promising. Where jumping forward. And we also need to go through certain sticky situations in order to see. Do I want to go this way or this way? Or do I like doing this specific project? I'll give an example. So say for example, I've worked with clients. Who've wanted to start up cafes. The reason that they've wanted to start up cafes is because they love the social life. They love the community feeling of it. they love just like hanging out and they love cafe life. So they like being a cafe customer. And then when it came to the reality of having an actual cafe. So different because you have to work out your cost of goods. You have to work out your staff pay. You have to work out how to order. Your produce and you have to set up your kitchens. You have to figure out all of these things that have nothing to do with just going to a cafe. You don't see any of that when you go to a cafe. So the reality of the thing that, that they want is so different to what they thought they were getting into. So the idea that they, the feeling that they wanted was this, like, you know, this. Friendly atmosphere, community atmosphere, and they want to go into a cafe and they think it's going to be very fun and social, but in reality, it's a lot of work. It's a lot of. Operations. There's a lot going in, coming out. There's a lot of financials and it's very, very difficult. It's a very, very small, modular type of business to own. I would say my example is don't just dive in. Open a cafe. Going to work in a cafe first. Going. Uh, Someone who's a manager. You know, if you can work under them, stuff like that. So that's my example of. Don't always have to dive headfirst into your faded pathway. Because maybe the faded pathway is like this, something at a cafe, but maybe it's not exactly what you thought it was going to be. Maybe it's that you meet someone at the cafe that leads you down some pathway to something else,

Ané: 19:32

so true. I think we romanticize and fantasize like, you know, from movies and TV shows of like having a cafe and it being like, you just have all these friends and family that come visit and that's like, you're how you make bank, but that's just not. The reality of it. So yeah, that's a really good advice to, yeah, really just test it out and see if you, if that is a strength of yours to have a, some sort of hospitality down your, down your belt before you actually just go put your eggs in a hole in your own basket, you know, like you really have to test the waters, but and that's the same as anyone who has like business or wants to start an online business. It's like, you really have to. enjoy somehow the shitty parts because it's 90 percent of the shitty parts, you know, for at least a couple of years until you can outsource things. And I think that's where people get a little bit stuck on because they want to get to the destination, but it is really the journey, even though that's like so cliche to say, but it's true. Like you have to be okay to really have, the grit and be able to see your fears and not be tested, emotionally, spiritually, physically, financially, all of those things. And be okay with the journey of it. And I think whatever your fate is sort of unraveling as long as you are really trusting that it is for your highest good, you really can't make any mistakes along the way, there will be mistakes, but they're just learnings, you know?

Stacey: 21:04

that's just a perspective shift. Isn't it? That is something. is either a mistake or something that you learned from. So that's something that you can do in the moment. And I'll often have friends will come back at me when I'm having a hard time with something. Okay. But what did you learn? And it's important to get friends like that because it immediately shifts you into that state of. Okay. What did. I learn and then you think it through, and then you can move beyond it because otherwise you can fall into the victim. Hood and then say to yourself, Ah, you. I know it can just spiral downwards from there and you don't want to end up this. Yeah.

Ané: 21:42

I love that we started off with like, you guys, we've just like had this whole new level and business and all the things and then we just like lecture you on being, having great and you know, making sure you've got to be a waitress or waiter first before you open, but I really hope you guys have gotten some good nuggets out of this.

Stacey: 22:02

Yeah. I think it's important to have those little smack downs because even though sometimes they can feel circuit in fronting, but honestly, my partner said this to me, the other. day about, Hey, He was doing all of this really hot stuff. And I was like, you're doing so many hot things today. And he's like, you know, I'm making the hard choices now for an easy life.

Ané: 22:23

Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah. It's like that photo. making the hard choices taking the hard steps in order to have an easier step down later in life And it's the same thing. this is what we talk about, having a business you really have to be okay with. Doing the hard things for a long period of time until you see the reaps of your rewards.

Stacey: 22:44

I hope you enjoyed this smack down today. I feel like it was a lot smack down, just a, just a gentle one. And yeah, I hope that you enjoy listening and if you could leave us a review, that would be amazing. We would love you forever. On apple podcasts, I think is the only place you can really do it. And we would love to. Hear from you. If you want to send us in a message, you can go on our website@trustingtheuniverseandship.com and you can DM us on Instagram. Our links are in the, in there. Show notes. So, yeah, we'd love to hear from me.

Ané: 23:20

yes, it would be so Appreciative and thank you guys for listening. Bye