Rewind & Reflect: Part 2 - Tosca Talks, PassionCon & Black Dagger Brotherhood

In this episode, hosts Lauren Olsen, Ali Whitaker and Tosca Musk of Passionflix dive into discussing 'Tosca Talks', PassionCon and the 'Black Dagger Brotherhood'. The trio talk all about the conception and adventures of 'Tosca Talks,' highlighting memorable experiences like ghost tours with Jennifer L. Armentrout and crab catching in Key West with Alessandra Torre. They also share details about PassionCon Puerto Rico and current plans to scout for locations for future events. The episode wraps up with what we've all been waiting for... an in-depth discussion on the casting process, production experiences and fan reactions to the upcoming 'Black Dagger Brotherhood' series!

Chapters

• 0:00 Fun Socks and Charcuterie Boards
• 0:49 Meet the Team: Passionflix Introductions
• 1:15 ASMR and Relaxation Techniques
• 4:15 Tosca Talks: Behind the Scenes
• 5:54 Adventures with Authors
• 12:23 Passion Con: Planning and Memories
• 25:31 Black Dagger Brotherhood and JR Ward
• 27:31 Positive Reactions on Set
• 28:01 Consistency with Book Lore
• 30:54 Casting Process Challenges
• 32:37 Actors' Commitment and Chemistry
• 44:30 Teaser Trailer and Fan Reactions
• 52:15 Weekly Episode Releases
• 54:17 Fan Interaction and Sign Off

Transcript

Tosca: I, I have noticed a lot that you've been wearing some fun socks. 

Ali: Well, it's because I noticed guys do it a lot and it, I can mad. 

Tosca: Like why should they get all the fun? 

Ali: Well, yeah, I, have you ever noticed that I, maybe it's 'cause I used to work with a bunch of dudes, but they'd always wear nice suits and then have crazy socks on.

Right. And I'm like, that's kind of fun. That is fun. 

Tosca: And so now let's see those socks. 

Ali: Oh yeah. Wine socks. I think they say something on the bottom. Oh yeah. If you can read this, bring me wine. Oh, 

Tosca: is that like a charcuterie board on this side? Like, like this? What is this? 

Ali: I don't actually know. Maybe. 

Lauren: Or is it the cork 

Tosca: and then a pineapple. Oh, that's great. A pineapple. Always. Always pineapples. 

Lauren: I, I'm just staying silent. But so we are back and we have the lovely Allie with us this time. Yay. Um, and so I thought we could quickly just do our intros and then chat a little bit. I'm Lauren Olson, the Director of Development at Passion Flix. I'm Ali Whitaker, the head of Marketing and Publicity, 

Tosca: and I'm Toska Musk, and I'm the CEO and founder of Passion Flix.

Speaker 3: Love it. And so Ali is back. I'm back. Yay. Yay. 

Tosca: She was sick, man. I'm so sick. I've got therap still. So the sexy voice, this is how I'm gonna sound, is this, is this, um, so you, you were saying something about as what is 

Ali: it's never heard of as smr. So Yeah. This, this is like the ASMR voice, except I would be whispering like this and then. I would bring him our Passionflix water bottle and start tapping on it. Tosca doesn't understand what it is. I don't know. Can you explain further? 

Lauren: Do the example one more time? How do you explain it? I don't even know what SMR stands for. Or they'll that relaxing. They'll do. It's some people, it's an auditory thing.

It like tickles your earbuds in a way that's like, Ooh, like relaxing. Um, I dunno why I shifted, but some people will do like skincare with it, like a really bubbly face mask and it'll be all in the microphone. Some people do as SMR of their pets chewing like Cheerios or something. 

Ali: Oh. I don't like the eating as SMR in front of me.

Tosca: I, how do we know about this? I, 

Lauren: it just, it pops up. Yeah. TikTok. 

Ali: Oh God. Yeah. But now these artists are making a lot of money mm-hmm. On TikTok, on YouTube. 

Lauren: Okay. 'cause people love to subscribe and listen to the stuff to unwind. 

Ali: They do a lot of them do it to help you sleep. I, I un just talk and talk like this and they enunciate a lot. I can enunciate get that with, bring in more subscribers if we today, smr. 

Lauren: And one of the other relaxing videos that I end up watching is, um, there's like head massage or head scratching videos. For some reason you watch somebody else's head being scratched. Yeah. It's like, or there's like, there's, there's, there's a head spa where that they have videos like that, like these influence rules will go and she like, I'm trying out this spa today.

And they like, they get. They pay the company to be able to film there and stuff, and, but it also gets them, 

Tosca: and then you watch them have their head massaged. 

Lauren: It's not as creepy as it sounds. It sounds really creepy. 

Tosca: No, it sounds really creepy. Oh, no. Okay. 

Ali: Can't wait to show you some of these videos. 

Lauren: I know. Now we have to show you after this. 

Tosca: I, I can't, God. 

Lauren: Okay. It doesn't mean you'll watch them, just so you know that they're there. I think I'm gonna need it. This is probably what's gonna be relaxing me. I know, but usually you unwind with, with puzzles and a glass of wine. 

Tosca: Right. Puzzles and a glass of wine.

But then when I'm shooting, I actually do listen to, um, uh, it is a meditation. Oh, it's very, it's just called simply being. And it's like, it's very, it's actually pretty funny 'cause it's like tweeting birds. So maybe this is like, it's like there's nothing you need to do right now. Just be. There's nothing you can do, nothing you need to do right now.

Simply be, 

Ali: I'm like, oh, okay. I'm sorry. I'm just thinking of you listening to that and getting pissed off, like, come on, speed this up. 

Tosca: I know I was, I was like lying there, and I'm like, what do you mean? I have nothing to do? There's so much I have to do. There's so much I have to do. There's nothing I have to do right now.

Nothing I can do right now. It's 11 o'clock at night or whatever. Yeah. 

Lauren: I love that. Okay. Okay. So we are on part two of our Catchup episodes now that we have the lovely Ali back with us. And today we're gonna talk about Tosca Talks Passion Con and Black Brother Brotherhood. Oh, fun. Which I think people will be really excited to dive into a bit.

Um, so with Tosca Talks, what inspired you to start the show? 

Tosca: Well, actually it was Ali Ali said it would be really fun for us to do a show that involved the authors and. We, uh, so Ali, you can elaborate on this too, but, but at the end of the day, I know so many of the authors personally, we get to know them.

We get to spend time with them, especially when we're making the movies. We get to really have a very personal relationship with them. And a lot of, um, readers don't get that opportunity. So this was an opportunity for. Us to, to show the readers the lives of these authors, um, in a way that I know them.

Ali: Exactly that. I think having gotten to know our authors over these last five years of me being here, I as a fan girl myself, I wanted to know more about them. And so it's this kind of show I wanted to see. I mean, that's, that's really what it came down to. 

Tosca: We meet the authors in their homes, we meet their families.

They normally send me on some really, you know, uncomfortable adventure. I mean, I've done ax throwing, paddle boarding. Thank you Rachel. And I've done, um, you know, I learned how to shoot. Mm-hmm. Thank you. JR Ward. Mm-hmm. Like all sorts of crazy things that, you know, yoga. Which I'm not great at. 

Lauren: That actually leads me to my next question about you having gone on all these adventures on the show, um, you did ghost tours in West Virginia, did crab catching in Florida Keys.

What are some of your personal favorite memories from all the travels? 

Tosca: Well, you just mentioned two great ones. Um, that ghost walk, um, was. Um, weird. That was definitely weird. It was so cold as well, but it was definitely weird and, and uh, I think that there are some things about that ghost walk that I just do not wanna relive.

But I think, yeah, I mean every single one of them was fun. I loved the crab. Catching was great. I've never been to Key West before, so having that experience was super fun. And then obviously our, um, vibrator races. Oh, right. I mean, who, who has vibrators? And we won. I know. That was wild. Um, and, uh, I mean, it was just fun.

Every single one of them has been fabulous and I, I just actually think it's even more fun that the authors, when they know that I'm coming out, get really excited about what kind of. Um, I'm gonna say torturous adventure they can put me through. Um, and, uh, and, and they have fun too, so it's nice. It's, it's a good time.

Lauren: I definitely feel like K. Bromberg got a little joy out of like, making you do golf and all that stuff. 

Tosca: Yeah, she did. And also playing soccer with her son, who is like a really good soccer player. 

Lauren: Yeah. No, that was awesome. Um, what has been the most surprising and or rewarding part of hosting the show? 

Ali: I don't know.

For me, it's rewarding to watch Tosca in these situations. Yeah. Um. Paddle. For some reason, paddle boarding seemed to really stress you out, which I thought was really funny because 

Lauren: I, to be fair, it takes like mad core strength 

Ali: that you don't immediately realize. Yeah. She was just very stressed before, and then after all of a sudden your blood pressure dropped and she thought she was gonna pass out, and so she, oh no.

Tosca: I had a, I got a, like a Charlie horse cramp in my stomach, in my abs, and the pain was so excruciating, so that I fainted twice. Oh, I'm in so much pain. They're like, you've gotta stretch. I was like, what? You gotta stretch. So I was like trying to stretch my belly like this while fainting. And then they were like, uh, and then like you had to lie down and give me electrolytes.

And here's the thing, that paddle boarding thing, it was after a very long day of doing things and we'd started off with, um, exercising in hot yoga booths. That's what I was gonna ask. And then we went from there, and then I think they served me like champagne. At the coffee shop or, or, or somewhere around there.

And then we went to go do axe throwing and they gave me beer and they. Yeah, they gave me, oh. Um, and uh, and then, um, and then we went paddle boarding, so I was like, massively dehydrated. Oh. And so I'm just giving myself all the excuses 

Lauren: to be fair. That's very valid. That's a lot to throw in on the day. 

Tosca: But it was actually quite a lot of fun.

And I will paddleboard again and I, I, I learned that I can actually stay on it, but, so that was good. 

Lauren: No, that's impressive to be honest. Yeah. Um, well, and so like you said, you got to explore all of these authors hometowns, which was really special. Yeah, that was great. Do you have any, what were some of your favorite locations that you visited, if you can name them?

Tosca: I, yeah. I actually, I enjoyed going to all the places. I, there are so many places that I'd never been to, like I'd never been to St. Louis. Yeah. And I, um, no, I'm wrong. St. Louis, St. Louis. Oh 

Ali: my God. I'm gonna laugh about that for a while. 

Tosca: So pretty, I'm gonna say it right. I was like, no, I'm not saying it right.

I'm definitely saying it wrong. St. Louis. I never, I've been to St. Louis, so that was great. Um, and then, um, uh, yeah, and there were just so many places that. You know, I hadn't been to the, you don't normally go to, um, small towns in Illinois or Idaho. So it was really cool to be able to see parts of the US that I wouldn't have seen otherwise.

Ali: And we did that all over the span of, what was it, 10, 10 days, two weeks. Yeah. 

Lauren: You guys were at the time. Yeah. It was really fun. It was fun. I love that. And you guys had a special guest with Amy Daws episode? 

Tosca: Oh yes. Good old Andrew. He is adorable. 

Lauren: I wasn't expecting him to be in just the apron. 

Ali: Really? You weren't expecting him to be that?

Lauren: No, I was, I was, I was expecting that it's the most Andrew thing to do is absolutely the most Andrew thing to do. He is so comfortable with his body and I love that for him. Um, so funny. So was there a specific interview or conversation that you had with an author that really stuck out to you or like maybe something that you haven't learned before?

Ali? 

Ali: For me, one of the. Um, interviews that I liked watching and hearing was Jennifer Hartman's and I think, um, a lot of people don't know Jennifer yet, and I mean now they're getting to know her and she's doing really well, but I liked hearing, um, she referred to still beating as a survival romance and I think before we had been referring to it as a dark romance and just hearing her talk about that and, and why.

She writes Survival Romance. I, I thought it was really interesting. So that was a really fun conversation for me to watch. 

Tosca: Learning a little bit about the. Personal reasons as to why authors write was very interesting to me because it's not just, oh, there's a fan base out there. I'm writing the genre.

It's actually all quite deeply personal to everyone and experiencing that. Getting to hear more about that and being able to share that with readers is great. I love that 'cause 

it is, it is always interesting when you learn like an author that you love reading what really got them started writing. Yeah. It's so exactly like Amy Daws' stories. I know. Really beautiful. Super beautiful. Yeah. So it's, um, yeah, I think and, and some of them are not necessarily, you know, a difficult time, but it's sometimes it's a fun time or it's an exciting time. Um, but it's just, it's nice to know that there's a personal reason for them diving into this world and that they're truly committed to the world and that they love it.

Lauren: Is great. Um, and so without spoiling any future guests that we may want or have contacted already, is there a dream location you'd wanna shoot an episode of Tosca Talks? 

Tosca: Well, Australia's looking pretty good. 

Lauren: Oh, that's true. That could be cool. 

Tosca: Yeah. A lot of things are happening in Australia this year, so That's true. They are. 

Lauren: It's very exciting. Love that. Um, and so. Next we're gonna talk about passion con. 

Tosca: Sure. 

Lauren: Great. Which I know you and I talked about. You and I talked, you and I talked about it a little bit last time, but you guys both just got back from scouting. 

Tosca: We've been searching for a year for the next location, and while we can go back to, um, Puerto Rico or back to Los Angeles, which are definitely still on the table, we're excited about trying another one and maybe doing like four different locations and then we can rotate, but we wanna find the other two.

So where, where's the next one gonna be? That has the resort, that has that. You know, awesome. Like up here, experience for all of the Passionista because it really is the perfect Passionista Paradise weekend and we want it to be that. And so, you know, I have very high expectations for the location 

Ali: and I think with Puerto Rico, right when we drove onto that property, we knew it was amazing.

It was. 

Lauren: No, when we got there I was like, oh 

Ali: yeah, yeah. It was perfect. And so I think we're trying to find that spark again. Yeah, we will. We have, we have some contenders that we're gonna be looking at, but it's just really trying to top that resort and it was an amazing resort. It was. It was a great, it was great.

Tosca: But I even loved the, I mean, I love the Ritz in Marina Delrey as well. That was great also. Great. So yeah, looking for that same sort of experience. That's awesome. 

Lauren: Passionista's are always super thankful to us, which is really sweet. Like the second they come, they're like, thank you so much for putting this all together.

But I don't know if they all know exactly how much it really goes into planning all of this. 

Tosca: Yeah. I would say that it, it definitely takes years off of Ali's life each time. Yep. That we make this, uh, that we do this event and I'm just like, let's throw Passion Con in Puerto Rico and then I'm like, that looks great.

Okay. I like this food and that food. And then Ali's like, 

Lauren: like with the whole team making it all happen, right? Yeah. Right. 'cause she brings you stuff to like approve for the most part. 

Ali: And yeah, it's a lot. Although you're pretty easy when it comes to the approvals and I think we, we know, we know what we're going for now.

We know exactly what we want out of it. So it's a little bit easier now, but it, it's a lot of planning and, and like Tosca was saying. Many, we've gotten so many great suggestions for locations, but it, there's so many things that go into what we need from a hotel and not many hotels have that. And, and again, trying to one up what we've done and, and, you know, having these, the Passionista's Choice Awards and, and making sure that it's just another beautiful location.

Um. Yeah, there's a lot of planning that goes into it. We're lucky to work with. Um, we worked with two great teams in LA and Puerto Rico before to help bring the vision to life. But, um. It's, it's working very closely with the hotel, it's working closely with the local teams to really make the magic happen.

And it's, it's very time consuming. It takes the entire year. It would probably take much more in many instances, but, um, we work as fast as we can to make it magic and. It is stressful, but it's so rewarding at the end. And even though it's work when we're there, we still get to enjoy every minute of it. 

Lauren: So, I know you guys mind, there was a pool your, you had a private pool at your room, didn't you?

Tosca: I did. And so I, I. Few of us went in and, and swam and all the actors hang Hung out too, which was fun. Yeah. That was only on Sunday after everyone left. 

I didn't get that experience prior to it. Oh no. But, but it is that, it's exactly that. And you know, when we first started Passion Con, we were very specific.

And I think because we were so specific on what we wanted Passion Con to be without book boyfriends and without. Specific team building, you know, AC activities and making sure that everyone meets each other and that we had our pajama premiere, and then we have our Passionista Choice Awards and we have our farewell brunch and it's very structured.

Um, it, you know, that's what we, we focus very much on, on year one. Yeah. And so it's sort of becomes for Ali a little bit. Um. Like a playbook, I guess. Yeah. Yes. Um, and then last year we added all those panels. We had panels the first year, but we added an additional day of panels and another cocktail. And so we're gonna do something like that again this year.

And, you know, I even would, I would love more author to come in there and, and for me, because there are less. Book signing events, um, you know, possibly even having a book signing or something like that, you know, I'm just like, keep adding things to it every year. I loved it. It's so much fun. 

Lauren: Like trip of a Lifetime for some of them. It was awesome. It is so much fun. Yeah. 

Ali: So because they get to like go to the cocktail hour and the actors are standing right there and you get to chat with them. Same with the authors and the office. Yeah. Yeah. And the panels are fun 'cause a lot of, I noticed a lot of people bringing their books to get them signed after the panels and people would line up.

Um, we also have authors who very generously donate different things to go into this, the goodie bag, including books. So people will grab those and have them signed. It's just, I love it all. It's, it's beautiful what you guys have created and we listened to the feedback from everyone that comes. I mean, I know initially we weren't even going to do panels because we wanted it to be more immersive and you get to spend that time with the authors, but we did.

Uh, do a bigger panel session in Puerto Rico based off feedback from people that attended. And I think it went, it went really well. 

Lauren: Yeah. 

Ali: Um, and I think what we learned from that is people after each panel, they want to then spend some time with the author. They want to get their book signed. So now we have to sort of break that up and, and probably expand the time.

Mm-hmm. Um, because it's a, there's. There's two things. You know, people wanna explore the resort and have fun and relax at the same time. They want all these panels. So it's like, do we have an additional day? What do we do? How do we Right. Make more of those things happen for everybody. So yeah, that's gonna be the discussion for next year.

Lauren: Absolutely. Um, and speaking of, do you guys have a favorite memory from the, the, the last trip into Puerto Rico and the event? 

Tosca: Firstly, Jr. Ward came and she is awesome. I know. And, and she was like. Called herself Beach Jess, which I thought was so great. Um, and she hadn't flown since the eighties. I know. So that was, her assistant was so excited that we got her on an airplane.

Yeah. So that was really, that was very special. But, you know, I think, um, my, I think my favorite part of Passion Con. Well, I mean there are so many favorite parts. I love seeing everybody and the fact that we're all together and it makes the world smaller and we people get to meet each other who have never met before, and people, women are coming on their own nervous about being on their own and then form the best friendships with people from all over the world.

I think it's phenomenal. Um, but I love the Passionista Choice Awards. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and, uh, I love my co-host Jeremy Batiste, who gets to do it with me. I hope he does it again this year, this next year. Um, but, um, the Passionist Choice Award, because they are voted on by the Passionista and I. They're just fun.

It's just a fun, you know, cheeky award ceremony. It's just fun and special and celebrating, you know, romance and celebrating what we do and celebrating the actors, and it's, I, I enjoy the entire experience. 

Ali: That might be my favorite part of it too. And then, of course, yeah, having JR Ward there and. Getting to share a table with her.

Was she so much fun? She's so enthusiastic about everything. Um, I think my favorite part is the arrivals from when the passionista start coming in and all the actors just because we know what's coming up for them and everyone's so excited and, and ready to party. Yeah. What about you? 

Lauren: Mine. I, I think I said this on the last episode, but mine was seeing everybody react to the, um, the fantasy scene moment in the Waba premier.

That was really fun. 

Ali: That was, that was one of my favorite moments ever. That was really great. I can't believe we kept that a secret. I'm highly impressed. I don't know how we did. Highly impressed. 

Tosca: No. Obviously the, the pajama premiere is, you know, a highlight event, which of course is causing us the most amount of stress for the next one.

'cause there aren't enough places for us to find to, to, to throw the pajama premiere. But, um, we will find it and it'll be amazing. 

Lauren: It'll be amazing. Absolutely. So, and speaking of the passion, usage Choice awards, it's really fun because we invite a ton of actors to come and like a take part in the awards, but also with some of their, either their second times meeting each other, their first times meeting each other.

It's just, I I, another one of my moments is seeing all the actors get together and meet each other. But a ton of the, our leading ladies are actually already friends with each other, which I think is really funny and interesting that we've casted. Women who were already buds? 

Tosca: Well, they, so some of them knew each other, some of them didn't.

Um, but it is a very small acting world, right. In Los Angeles, a lot of them are going out for the same part, so they would know each other or they're in the same acting programs and things like that. So yeah, Olivia and Maddie, for example, they know each other quite well. Um, but. You know, during, it was through Passion Con, I think that Melanie and Olivia met, and, um, and then, and Mel, who did she know?

And Elizabeth, you know, all, all of these actors, they sort of like were in the same circles, but didn't. A hundred percent know each other, or maybe they did, or, you know, I, I do know that, um, you know, because Olivia was one of our first leading females, um, that some of the actors, when they get the offer from Passionflix said like, oh, Olivia was in a movie and what was that like?

And then they give her a call and she's like, it was great. Do it again. Do it. 

Lauren: Yeah. She talks us up, which is sweet. 

Tosca: Yeah. And, uh, so that's really helpful. But what I love. Is, you know, just, just leaning on that is how much Passionflix has made their relationship even stronger. And they, um, and so when they all get together at Passion Con, it is like, um, that coven that I definitely have to make that coven movie.

Um, but it is the, the group of girls and the guys, they all get together and they're all friends and it's really great. I love that. Um, sense of, um, community. 

Lauren: That they get to have agreed. No, you've, you've, you've built quite the Passionflix family with all of our movies and it's really exciting that we get to all come together for stuff like Passion Con.

Yeah. That's fun. Okay, so looking back at, uh, passion Con in Puerto Rico specifically, what were you most proud of from that event? 

Ali: Pulling it off. 

Tosca: I gonna say, pulling it off. That's exactly what I was gonna say. 

Ali: Pulling it off. 

Um, we were just talking about this yesterday because. We talked about how behind the scenes so many things were happening and, um, but you know, overall it actually went very smooth for an event of that size.

But it's always a little bit stressful because there's so many moving parts and, um, yeah. I'm just thrilled we pulled it off. Yeah. But I, I loved it. I enjoyed it. Um. And even for me, the person's doing all the things behind the scenes, I was able to still have a lot of fun and I, yeah, I'm just thrilled we were able to pull it off and thrilled that all the passion needs to seem really happy with it.

Lauren: What has been the most talked about Passion con event talked about by fans? Like has it surprised you what any of them have been like super focusing on either before or after? 

Tosca: Anybody who respond, who tells me about it, just says how much they thoroughly enjoy the community and getting to see everybody.

Um, 

Ali: what, anything specific? Yeah, I think the same. Um, I. I know the after parties are always a big hit 'cause everyone loves being able to dance together. And karaoke, karaoke was a big hit for the Puerto Rico one. 

Lauren: Can you guys tease at all, uh, anything for the next Passion con? I know, 

Tosca: uh, well, our Black Dagg of Brotherhood Boys should be there. That'd be nice. 

Lauren: I think we just accidentally pre-sold all the tickets with you saying that 

Tosca: they're some nice boys. 

Ali: They are. They are nice little boys. 

Tosca: They're, I mean, they're all so much younger than me, so I guess they're like boys. 

Ali: No, I meant little, 

Tosca: little. Oh my God. They're not little, they're huge. This thing about how small they are, which is actually really hilarious and I just wonder if it's because, you know, they're all wearing black and, and Raf has like long black hand, black glasses and, and he's wearing black.

And so black really does make you look small. But when I'm standing next to him, and I am not a small woman, I am tiny. Yeah. And like a little tiny person next to him. So it just blows me away that everyone's talking about how small he is. I'm like, man, I'm gonna wear more black. I know, right? Yep. 

Ali: I did the wrong thing today.

Lauren: Yep. I know. Same. I know you. You had the black memo. That's right. I've learned. Yes, you have. Okay, so speaking of. The brothers. Yes. Black Dagger, brotherhood. Yes. The thing everybody is dying for us to talk about. Um, so we actually got fans, got to meet JR in an episode of Tosca Talks, also from the Passion Con panel.

Um, but for, for those who might not be familiar, can you tell us all about JR and her personality? 

Tosca: JR Ward is awesome. She is, uh, massively enthusiastic and, um. Excited and happy. And, uh, she's an incredible business mind. She's also so much fun, like, so much fun. Um, and every emotion. Yeah. At once.

Ali: She's one of my favorite people in the entire world. She absolutely amazing. One of the favorite people I've ever met. 

Lauren: Yeah. I am really jealous. You guys got to go and like, hang with her at her house and all that stuff. Yeah. 'cause that's, and her mom, I love her mom. Oh yeah. Her mom. She came to Fashion Con too.

Tosca: She was really nice. Yeah, her mom's amazing. Um, and yeah, everything about JR Ward is awesome. 

Lauren: I also will never forget her, her amazing bodyguard, whose name is escaping me. 

Ali: Eric. 

Lauren: Eric. He's amazing. But, so Eric, uh, came over to me before, right before your guys' panel at Passion Con, and he was like. By the way, she's not gonna stay seated.

I was like, oh, okay. And I ran over to Ace and I was like, we need to be prepared to have a camera following her. I like, yeah, let's not. And then she did. She walked the stage the entire time and I was like, I forgot she does that at all of her fan events. And I was like, that's so cool. 

Ali: Yeah. I wonder what she's gonna be like at the premiere.

Oh yeah. Gonna do the same thing. I think she's gonna be a Lauren viewer. And you know how Lauren is when we screen. Oh yeah. She's very vocal. Oh yeah. I feel like that might be 

Lauren: your award. Absolutely. I do wonder. I think that's gonna be interesting. Yeah, because, because there was a moment she did that on set during a tape.

Tosca: Oh yeah. Remember we were shooting and she's like, oh my God, that's perfect. I was like, yes, but we're rolling now and you can't actually speak. 

Lauren: She was mortified. She immediately hit her head and was like, I'm so sorry. It's nice to get that kind of positive reaction on set. 

Tosca: No, yeah. Huge encouragement that you're nailing it, which I love that.

Lauren: Um, and how involved was she in the development of the show? 

Tosca: She's heavily involved. Every single thing that we do, we go through her to make sure it's done. When, when do the, uh, when do the brothers have fangs? When do they not have fangs? When are they wearing their weapons? When are they not wearing their weapons?

Literally every single thing I would ask her. We have the first draft written. We go through it, we do our notes on it, and then when we think it's at a great place, then we send it to JR Ward for her notes, and then she sends it to her research. Team. Oh. Because that she has such a huge series of books and she needs to make sure that we are hitting all the law correctly.

And um, and she even says that, you know, something's changed over time. Oh yes, I know. And so, and, and that's particularly, you'll see it in Dark Lover versus, you know, some of the later books, Darius whatever. Or, no, not Darius, but like, um, you'll see it in Dark Lover, but you won't see it in Lasa, for example.

Um, is that like in Dark Lover? They refer to tours child as a child as opposed to young, but that's how it is in the book. And it's not like that later on. So she's like, oh, I wish I'd caught that. And I was like, ah, even I didn't catch it, but we would catch it in the future because we adapt the, that book.

Um, and so there are those things and, and it's also like, for example, um, uh, Darius in the beginning, um, he's drinking a beer. 

Lauren: Right. 

Tosca: And then so when we wrote it, I was like, oh, this very specific. He has to be drinking a beer. And then she's like, oh, no, no, no, we have to change that. 'cause that's not what he would drink.

Later on. Later on, that's not what he would drink. And I was like, well, that's what it is in the book. And she's like, Nope. And the, and he wouldn't drink that. I was like, okay, so we're changing. So we, we literally started at, we adjusted things according to the law and how things had progressed in the series, um, to the extent that everything was caught of the course.

Um, and then, um, and then every time we, uh, come close to locking picture before we lock picture, we send it to JR. Ward. She views it. And so, and, and she just watched, we just locked picture on episode five and six and she sent me a video and she's crying. Oh gosh. Saying how much It's so perfect and awesome and so that made me feel really good.

Lauren: Okay. That's amazing. 

Tosca: I had to show the video to Ali yesterday. Can we talk quickly about the difference between the audible and the 'cause on set? You realize that we weren't, none of us were saying Havers, right? Because it's Havers and not Havers. Yeah. Still have, to me, the audibles, the audibles. That has the pronunciation of so many things.

Um, I, I'd hate to say incorrectly, it's just, it's just different and not how JR Ward pictures them in her mind or it's not how she wrote them, I guess, but I don't know why it was never corrected. 

Lauren: So Audible has it as Habers? 

Tosca: Mm-hmm. 

Ali: Okay. I read, I just read the book and I read it as hares, but I'm weird about vowels.

Yeah. 

Tosca: But it's havers Havers. Nice. And, um, and then, uh. Uh, fury becomes the primal. Mm-hmm. Not the pri male. Pri male. I also read it as pri male. I read it as pri male, and then the, and, and the audible says prim male, but it's not, it's primal. 

Lauren: Noted. 

Tosca: Okay. 

Lauren: I love that she was so involved with the development of the show, and I'm assuming that meant she was part of the casting process as well.

Absolutely. How was the casting process of Black Dagger Brotherhood? 

Tosca: Well, it was hard, you know, we have to cast these brothers and, um, and so we did a worldwide search. It took us about six months. We worked, we went everywhere looking for the brothers. It was really important that they, firstly, it's very hard to get actors to commit to 11 seasons.

Of something, right? That's 15 years of their lives that we need them to commit to. So that's the first thing that's like a hurdle to get through. Um, so yeah, so we spent about six months looking for, um, actors all around the world. We did worldwide searches and then we found, um, Robert and Robert is.

Perfect. So perfect. He is all of us. Watch it. Not, not just me and JR Ward, like all of us. You guys watched him too, remember? And all of us, everybody watched it separately, not together. Watching everyone emails. That's wrath. That's wrath. That's Wrath right away. And, and I was like, oh, okay. Well he's really Pretty's, like really beautiful.

Maybe he could also, maybe he could play Rhage. And then I was like, well, let's try him out as Rhage. And then when he auditioned for Rhage, it was no, he just didn't, didn't work for Rhage. And, um, uh, so he, he was immediately, I mean, he was a wrath from the second that we all saw him, heard him, how he performed.

Everything just screamed Wrath. 

Lauren: I saw his rage audition and I was like, no, no, no. He needs to be wrath. Exactly. His voice is too perfect. 

Tosca: Yeah. And how he's just, he's still, and he's, um, dangerous in the way that he speaks, which is so great. Um, but of course. What's also interesting just in the series is actors, when when they perform, they have a lot of expression in their eyes.

And so when you are performing and you have to act like this, well, you can't really show much surprise or excitement or anything because you don't see their eyes because he's wearing. Dark glasses. So it was one of those things I had to actually, you know, spoke, I spoke with JR Ward about, and she goes, well, in this scene he, you know, he, uh, he squeezes his eyes shut.

So I said, okay, but we're not gonna see it because he's wearing dark glasses. So we don't see him squeezing his eyes, his eyes shut. We don't see him. Um. You know, blinking, we don't see him. Uh, he scrunches his eyes. We don't see any of those things because he's wearing dark glasses. And it's the same with, um, the scribe virgin.

'cause she's like, well you can't see her face, but she smirks. And I was like, okay. But a smirk is a facial expression and I don't see her face. So we. Have to do that somehow just with voice. Mm-hmm. Because we can't see your face. Yeah. And so that's where things are different in a book than they are on screen.

It's that, you know, we have to convey emotion without showing some elements of the face. Right. And so much emotion is shown in the eyes. 

Ali: Yeah. But what's crazy is I was also wondering about that as a fan, how it was gonna work out. And Robert. You can, he, you feel all the emotion and there's one scene in particular that won't spoil, but yeah.

Um, in the, the barn. Um, he shows up and he has his glasses on, obviously, but when he shows emotion, you just see his whole body just deflates. You can feel everything. And he does such a good job. I, I can't get over it. It's, it's incredible. 

Tosca: He did, I loved having this conversation with him. He's like, I am working on all these different ways of how to show emotion, not through my eyes.

I'm like, and you're doing it. So you'd see it. He'd be like a. Lip thing or jaw crunch or body move or something like that. It's always, or a head move. He had to do all these things with the lower part of his face and his body and that was incredible. He did. He is such a perfect Wrath. There is nobody else that can portray him.

Yeah, so, no, he's amazing. I think people are gonna love him. All of the boys are sorry. All of the men. All of the men, all of the men are, are fabulous. And the woman, the, the cast is exceptional. So dedicated. Agreed. Which is great. Yeah. 

Lauren: Were there any other cast auditions you saw where you were instantly like, oh, this is them, this is that person.

Tosca: Um, you know, funny enough, uh, well, not, I mean, there are two, um, Andrew and Michael Roark Andrew Biernat and, and Michael Roark. So, um, of course we're out there, we're looking for different actors and you know, we're, we're, you know, and, um, and then. Uh, but with Michael, I always saw him as Butch and so, uh, but everybody had to audition and Michael we know can act and Andrew as well, but everybody had to audition and so I said to, so I went to Michael.

I was like, Hey Michael. So I. I think that you play a really great butch and, um, can you, can you do this accent right? And um, and then I need you to read for it. And so he read for, it was amazing. Sent it to JR Ward. She loved him, loved it. Like this is the best butch ever. Fantastic. He was, he was the one.

And then Andrew, he did his audition on his own, sent it over to us without, you know, just, just doing it as a, on a, as a self tape. And, uh. It was phenomenal. It, it broke your heart. And he had, um, the audition for Zadist was, um, for his book, 'cause we had everyone audition. Um, all of the actors had to audition from a scene from their book so that we would know what they were gonna be like.

You know, few years down, down the road. Yeah. So even, um, Zach's audition for Fury was his book, and Butcher's audition was his book. Um, so it was, it was all these, all the, the, I think that was one of the best things that we chose to do is like. Pull scenes, write scenes from the future books. 

You did that, Lauren?

Lauren: I did. I was gonna say, I had a lot of fun typing those up after you were like, we should do it from the books. Yeah, it was really fun. 

Tosca: So Lauren wrote those auditions and then, um, and we said on those, that's what people, um, used to audition. The brothers used to audition and, um, so great idea. And um, again, Andrew was phenomenal.

So I think the biggest surprise is. For this were how perfect Andrew was for Zsadist. And um, I wasn't surprised that Michael was perfect for butch. 

Ali: Yeah, you did. I wanted to mention Darius's audition. 

Tosca: Oh my God. It was so, Darius was the hardest person to cast. He really was. Yeah. Um, he, he's such an important character.

I was like, I need somebody who can portray all of this emotion, make us love him. And we searched everywhere, all over the us, all over the world. And, um, eventually we found Piotr or Peter, um, and he's in Poland and he just, he did the scene and when he, he performed, we were. Crying. He was so good. Everybody, he, he was just, he nailed it.

And um, and again, you know, we have to both for Robert, um, Joel and Piotr, we have to get them visas to get into the us so that's why it sort of delayed our production 'cause it takes months to get work visas to come into to do. You know, even just two days, three days of filming. So that's what we ended up doing.

But I was so, he is so good and I'm so grateful to him, uh, for accepting the role and for putting Yeah, all putting his all into it. 

Lauren: I mean, he was really committed. Agreed. Yeah. No, he was amazing. Um, so I thought we could, since we're talking about the casting process, we could talk a little bit more about the whole cast.

'cause I, I feel like. On all of our production so far, we've gotten really lucky with working with just genuinely amazing, nice, good people. 

Tosca: Yes. 

Lauren: Um, and so it was really fun once everybody came in and you actually had us do a table read. 

Tosca: Yeah. 

Lauren: Can you talk a little bit about that? 

Tosca: Yeah, that was great. So I actually had a, a whole plan.

My plan was they would all come in for one week. Prior to shooting and we would rehearse the whole time working on everything together, rehearse all the scenes, and it turns out that everybody else also needs the actors for the week beforehand. So I got them for one day. Um, and that was for the table read and that was great.

It's the first time all of them had heard each other's voices and how they're gonna say these lines, um, together. But we read, it was a whole day and we read all six episodes, um, back to back and it was, uh, really. Lovely actually. And then what I loved even more about that week is that all of them got to hang out together and they became like besties.

Mm-hmm. Um, so I think in the end, it, it, it, it increased the, uh, it added to the chemistry of our show just for. They're all coming in for the week before. So even though we only had one day of table read, they did all these stunt rehearsals and costume fittings and weapons fittings, and we weapons training and all these different things that they all had to do together for the week before we started shooting.

So that was great. 

Lauren: Yeah, it was fun watching them also, uh, post all their gym selfies together. '

Tosca: cause they went to the gym. I mean, the fact that they all got onto a gym routine and because we were shooting night shoots and the gym is open 24 7, they would end up going at three or four o'clock in the morning.

They, they all stayed very, they all went to the same gym. Yeah. And so the gym membership, uh, we were told afterwards, uh, went up during the time that they were there, more and more people came to the gym. That's amazing. It started as a slow trickle and then they kind of would find out when the boys were working out and everybody.

Who went to that gym would show up at that gym at the same time, just so that they could be be around these guys while they were working out. That was so funny. That is amazing. Oh my gosh. 

Ali: Yep. It was special. I can't imagine walking in to the gym though and just seeing those guys all working out together.

Lauren: I no. I, i, I would just give up. I would, I would also give it up. I would've gotten flustered and probably walked out 'cause I got flustered meeting them at the table. Read. Ali like, called me out on it. She was like, you're flustered seeing all these guys. And I was like, well, they're very attractive. I forgot how flustered you got.

They're beautiful. 

Ali: You got very flustered. It's fine. Around Zach. What, what? 

Lauren: So flus last skirt. He is very cute. Zach, AKA Phury. I don't know why, but I was, he he, he's got a superman thing. He does. He does. He does. He, he introduced himself and I was like, hi. 

Ali: I saw her lose it 

Lauren: and I said something idiotic about New York City because I think that's where he lives and my sister lives there.

Yeah. Um, but it was cute 'cause after the table read, we, we all ended up, or a lot of the cast and some of us ended up going to, to dinner and getting some drinks and Rhage. AKA Alex ended up buying me a drink, which was very sweet of him. Oh. And we were just talking about So sweet. Our jobs and, and, and life and stuff and yeah, everybody's. Genuinely so nice. 

Tosca: Yeah. Oh my gosh. The, um, Alex is fabulous. I'm so excited about doing season two. I, I remember when he came in, we had to go and have his, he had brown hair and we had to dye his hair blonde, and I. That was just, I mean, the first time that his hair was dyed, it actually went like white and then, oh no. And then we just spent like two weeks or three weeks just working on his hair to give it, give it pigment back. 

Lauren: It was just right. 'cause he didn't shoot first up, so he had some time. 

Tosca: It was a disaster. Oh gosh. We had to like, we had to push the, push his schedule a little bit just so that we could spend more time on his hair.

He was so gracious about the whole thing. He's an angel. Yeah. He's so lovely. And, uh, I think people are gonna be really thrilled about him. 

Lauren: I'm really glad we got to we that JR. Was cool with keeping his Australian accent because Oh yeah. Love it. It's weirdly so perfect for, for HI agree. It's great. 'cause he's kind of the, the sassy funny one.

Tosca: Yeah. That I, yeah, well we talked about accents, you know, and so many of our actors, because they came from different places, they have different accents and um, it makes a lot of sense because these guys. The, the brothers come from the old country, but they come from anywhere in the old country. And, um, and so over the years, the hundreds of years that they've been alive, they, their accent can kinda morphed in.

Lauren: Yeah. Yeah. It's so cool. 

Tosca: They can have accents. 

Lauren: I love it. 'cause Joel is great as well. And he's Joel, he's from, he's from Sweden, but he lives in Germany right now. Correct. Yeah, I remember that was one of my other faux PAs. Uh, the table read day was, I was like, so what's it like living in Germany? He is like, well, I'm not from Germany.

I'm like, no, I know. I'm sorry. I know. I didn't know. I didn't know. He's super sweet. 

Ali: Um, I just wanna say the table read day. Billy Riddle was my favorite part. 

Lauren: My God. He was such surprised. Yeah. He's so good. 

Ali: He's so good. But he has a funny line later on and he's just such a sweet, sweet, baby faced angel. I died when he said that line.

Lauren: Yeah. Um, but he has a line and I think the entire room just started laughing and he delivered it so well, but yeah, it was just, it was shocking coming from him. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And Mr. X oh my gosh, he's great too. So good. So good. I know people saw a glimpse of Mr. X in the teaser. 

Ali: Yeah. He's so good. 

Lauren: So speaking of teaser, we actually dropped the teaser trailer Yeah. Last week. Tell us how have the fan reactions been so far? 

Ali: I think they've been great. I'm, I'm, I'm really happy with it. I think everyone seems really excited. I was excited. That's my favorite. I. Um, teaser I've ever worked on. It's so good. Yeah. So it 

Tosca: was so good. I don't think, I didn't even have any notes on that teaser.

Ali: Oh, shocking. 

Tosca: I always have notes. Understandable. Yeah. No, it was, I, I'm really happy with it. Yeah. 

Ali: We are having a laugh though about people commenting again on. Robert looking small. I know he's, he's having fun with it. 

Lauren: I'm glad he's having fun with it. 

Tosca: Yeah, because yeah, he, he does not, the thing is there is, he's not worried he's not phased at all because he's so not small.

Lauren: He's like, that's pretty funny. Like he literally, his arm is the size of my waist. No, no, but Guy is giant. No, no. His arm scare me. Like he would, he was very sweet and, and I came on a few days to help like second, second and do some stuff on set. He would give me a hug when he would arrive and greet me, and I was like, oh my God.

Giant bicep in my face. Like, it's just like he, yeah, they take, they trained so hard for this and they've al they were already really fit coming into it, but yeah, they're not small. Yeah. I'm excited for people to see them without some of the leather on from their photos. 'cause I think that'll show it a little bit more too. I love it. 

Tosca: And without some of the leather on, you mean in the series without some of the leather on 

Lauren: Yes. In the series without some of the leather on because yes, it's you. Everyone knows at Passionflix 

Ali: Tosca did not disappoint when it comes to. Oh my gosh. Showcasing the men's bodies when you, 

Lauren: when you, no, but when she screened it to us, it, because we all, we get to she and Margie after they've finished a good portion of the ending.

We as an office all have like a screening so that they can get a, an audience reaction from us to see how things are feeling. But also if we catch anything that we think could be tweaked a little more, it's really helpful for their editing process. But that also means we get to see this all before everybody else.

And there's one moment where he, I think it's when he kneels down on the altar, I just wasn't expecting how you shot that scene. And I was like. Damn. Okay. 

Beautiful. 

He's stunning. He's just, he's like a sculpture. Yeah. I don't know how he takes very good care of himself and like Robert, you should be very proud.

But he just, it's so good. I fans are gonna die. They're gonna love it. They're gonna love it. These guys nailed. These characters, um, so like, like Sia as as Vishous. So good people are gonna die. I, and when he and Butch have their little banter about the Red Sox is just, yeah. 

Tosca: Which is also funny because, you know, people have said that Sia is small. And I'm like, when I met him I was like, he's, he's huge. He's, yeah, hello. 

Ali: He's like a tree. There's nothing small about him, but, but also a sweetheart. But yeah, they're all so sweet. 

Tosca: They're all, and, and I, and I just wanna reiterate, they are. So committed. So committed to the mm-hmm. To the Black Dagger Brotherhood, they are.

Like committed and that means so much. Yeah. When it comes to a series, like they are loving this. They are so, and it was so cool to see them all bonding on set. Yeah. Um, and I, and they, they love this so much. They're so committed that they suffered through all of the, the contacts that we had to have them wear to get the eye color right.

There were a lot of contacts. I know we had a lens tech and Yeah. So many contact lenses. 

Lauren: They, they did it and it looks great and everybody looks great. I'm, I'm excited for people to see the series. 

Tosca: They like, hey, his contact lenses look, um, look more vampirey than my contact lenses. I know they're okay.

Can I get different contact lenses? And we did. We got them. So, no, I love that the custom made contact lenses are different. Animal for sure 

Lauren: different, but uh, it's kind of cool 'cause then it's shaped their eye and all that stuff. It's, it's neat speaking of all of the cast and we had some amazing. Female characters as well.

I keep saying male and female because in the series it's like, I'm a female, like vampire, I'm a male vampire. That's how males do it. That, that's just in my head. But we had so many, uh, female actresses playing these amazing roles. Uh, can you talk about some of them? 

Tosca: Well, again, we have Olivia Applegate.

Mm-hmm. Who came in. So we had, again, we did the same thing worldwide, search for Beth and. As we're going through it. And there were some, some lovely people that auditioned, but they just weren't nailing the, the strength of Beth, the, the, the maturity and vulnerability. Like there's all these things and, and, um, of the character.

And so I asked Olivia if she would read for the role, and then I've sent that to JR Ward, and she's like, yep, that's Beth. And I was like, okay, great. Um, so, you know. It was, it was, she was a hard character to find and so thrilled that Olivia said yes and came on board. Um, and then we have Victory for Marissa.

Um, and she auditioned with an American accent and I was like, I need you to give me sort of an old world sort of English accent. Can you do that? And she's like, okay. And then she did it and it's so great. Um, and so she was amazing. Um, Kim Whalen who played, uh, Wellsie also phenomenal, just has that sort of.

Um, Wellsie strength, um, and, uh, you know, so that was really wonderful. Uh, and then even the woman who came and played the scribe virgin for us, her voice is incredible. Such a good voice. Yeah. She nailed it. Um, and so, you know, obviously we have a look and we have a specific character that we have to cast in the future, but her voice for this one is, is you know exactly who we need.

For the scribe Virgin's voice. Um, so those are our women. And then, you know, I, I, I wanna mention, you know, Kellen as Havers is amazing. He's amazing. So great. Yeah. Um, and then our fritz, 

Ali: oh my gosh, Fritz, I love him so much. 

Tosca: Fritz is awesome. So perfect. Um, and so, you know, I, I think again, all of the cast nailed it.

Lauren: Really did nail it. No, I love it. What is one thing that you're most excited for fans to see? Like personally, I'm really excited for fans to see the scenes where the brothers are all on screen together. 'cause it's kind of iconic and it's really fun and I think they'll get a kick out of that. 

Ali: I'm really excited. The scene. That's in episode one, the first, uh, lesser confrontation because of the way we shot that. Oh, yeah. With the, I don't even remember what that insane camera was that you used. The, the thing that goes, you know, the. Fast camera. Do that one more time, 

Lauren: what we're talking about. Do that one more time. 

Ali: Do you know Oh yeah.

With wrath? 

Tosca: Yes, yes. Oh yeah. We used a robotic arm. Yes. That, that 

Ali: was very cool. That was very cool to watch. Yeah. And I have great behind the scenes that we'll share at that point too, but that was really cool to watch and it came out so well. 

Tosca: Yeah. Thanks. Yeah, I was, so, when I was picturing the whole scene, I love, um, Japanese anime and I wanted that scene to have that feel.

For it so that you can really understand the, um, speed of their fighting. 

Lauren: Yeah. 

Tosca: Um, and funny enough, you have to do it with a robotic arm, which is this camera that goes and really, really fast. And so it can cap, you know, capture the speed of a bullet basically. It's so fast. That's so cool. That's literally what it does.

Yeah. It goes that fast. Yeah. Yeah. And um, and it was really cool. We filmed that in the middle of the night and Robert, you know, stood patiently. In position while they were programming this computer, this, this robotic arm. Um, I'm excited about them seeing that. What am I most excited about seeing? Um, I guess I'm just really excited about people seeing how we brought this world to life, and I think that.

I think that we did a great job and JR Ward loves it, which is really good. It's fun to watch. It's fun. 

Lauren: Yeah. Yeah, it's exciting and so people will be able to watch it, uh, starting June 5th, and the episodes will release once a week, which is very exciting. 

Tosca: It premieres on June 5th, and it does go once a week, and I would like to encourage everybody to please come on.

On June 5th to watch the premiere of the series. Don't wait until it's all done and watch and try and binge it all. The reason why we released it is it is epic and it actually is helpful in the way that old series were were created. It's really helpful to watch it and then be able to spend time thinking about it over the week.

So that's one reason, but the other reason is it does make a big difference. To our, um, numbers and how fast we can get the second season going based on who watches the first episode on day one. So if you watch the first episode on day one, that impacts how soon we can start the second season. So if you could keep that in mind, I know everyone wants to wait until they end and then binge it all on one day, but it's not about that.

It's about season one. I mean, I think, uh, the episode one on day one. So please watch episode one on day one. That impacts when we start season two. Yeah, June 5th, everybody. 

Ali: Yeah. And the I, what I love about weekly drops, and we've talked about this, is that it. You get a chance to talk to everybody about the episodes in between.

And I miss those days because now if you hop onto TikTok or reels or anything, you end up seeing spoilers so fast. And so we end up having to avoid social media. But that's what I love about White Lotus and all these other shows is we're watching real time because we can actually talk to everybody about what's happening.

Yeah, and I love that and I miss that. Yeah. And so I think it's good for this show, especially. 

Tosca: It's the water cooler conversation. Yes, 

Lauren: exactly. I love it. Well, thank you guys for talking today. Yeah, great, great chat. It's nice to be back and doing this, getting to spend like quality time talking about what we're doing and um, I think we're gonna have some fun guests coming up, which is exciting as well.

Uh, we're also going to do a few fan episodes here and there where people can call in and leave questions, and then we'll listen to them on the show and then answer them in. So yes, we have the phone number where we, where we can call in questions. And that number is gonna be 7 7 0 6 4 8 3 6 7 7 specific to Passion Pod.

So if you have any feedback, comments, questions you wanna send in to us here at Passion Pod, you can do so at that number. Be sure to subscribe where you listen to podcasts, um, or I believe, are we, we're putting this up on the platform as well? Yes, yes. So we'll multiple places to watch and listen to this.

So yeah. Thank you all for joining. 

Tosca: Great to see you. Bye bye.