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Brotherhood Breakdown: Episode 2
⚠️ Spoiler Alert!
In this episode, Tosca, Ali, and Carlos break down Episode Two of The Black Dagger Brotherhood.
If you haven’t seen the episode yet, press pause and watch it first. We’re diving into major plot points, character moments, and behind-the-scenes insights that could spoil the experience.
Come back after you’ve watched for all the juicy details, laughs, and fan-favorite moments!
In this episode of PassionPod, Ali, Carlos, and Tosca dissect the second episode of The Black Dagger Brotherhood series. They delve into the chemistry between Wrath and Beth (from the end of episode one), touch on the actors' performances and filming experience, and share behind-the-scenes details about both the intense action sequences and emotional scenes. The team also hints at what to expect emotionally and storyline-wise in episode three (releasing June 19th), focusing on key character developments and important plot points to come!
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Tosca: Here we are.
Ali: Yes, we're back. Welcome to PassionPod.
Carlos: Thank you for having me back. I didn't think I was gonna be here again, but here I am.
Ali: Yay. Here. I'm Ali Whitaker. I'm the Head of Marketing and Publicity.
Carlos: I'm Carlos.
Ali: Hi, who are you? Carlos?
Carlos: Uh, I am your Director of Physical Production here at Passionflix. So,
Tosca: and also the producer of the Black Dagger Brotherhood
Carlos: and the producer of Black, I felt in theme today. So I wear my leather jacket because I love it about episode two. I love it. Even though it's like hot here right now.
Tosca: Yeah. I was gonna ask you guys as to why you're wearing winter clothes. But, um, we'll address that shortly.
Hi, I'm Tosca and I'm the Founder and CEO of Passionflix, and also the Director of the Black Dagger Brotherhood, season one.
Ali: And today we're gonna be discussing episode two. So if you have not watched episode two yet, do not listen to this or watch this. 'cause there will be spoilers.
Carlos: Spoilers.
Tosca: Lots of spoilers, all the spoilers.
Do not watch this podcast. Go and watch the episode instead. Uh, yes.
Carlos: Before we get into episode two though, can we talk about the finale of episode one and just the chemistry between Wrath and Beth and that scene? Yeah. That leads into episode two, like,
Ali: yes,
Carlos: that was. Amazing.
Tosca: So beautiful and beautiful. Yeah.
It was, uh, really wonderful to film. And you know, we actually filmed that scene at the end of our schedule, so we filmed for 45 days. And I think that scene was our second last day or something. Yeah, yeah. And so they knew each other really well. They'd worked together in so many different scenes, and so we're very comfortable with each other.
And thank goodness for that. They were very receptive to everything that the IC. The intimacy coordinator suggested. Mm-hmm. And then, um, and yeah. Worked really well together.
Carlos: Yeah. Normally we, you know, with a series you shoot in order chronologically. Yeah. You shoot episode one, episode two, episode three, episode four, et cetera.
Um, but by chance this, our schedule ended up this way. And I think just the chemistry between them, just the, the similar to what we talked about in Wallbanger when
Tosca: Yeah.
Carlos: Amadeus and, and, um, and Kelli were able to meet in Spain and have that time and develop those, you know, that friendship. Um, Robert and Olivia were able to do that when we were able to come to this scene.
I think that was beautiful to be able to kind of have that chemistry there. So I just wanna make, just make sure that we touched on that because
Tosca: Yeah.
Ali: Yeah.
Carlos: It was just, it was, it was such a beautiful moment, how to end that first episode.
Ali: It was, and his eyes seeing his eyes. I know. At the end. So good. Yeah.
So perfect. And then we come into episode two. Yeah. Yeah. Which, funny enough, um, I think Roberts, the first scenes he shot are in episode two and the very last scenes. Yeah, because, well, the
Tosca: first scene that he did in episode two is inside Beth's apartment, so that would've been at the end of the, the schedule.
Ali: No, I mean, him, him and Sia. There. Oh, yes. I think that was his first day on set, wasn't it?
Tosca: No. You're talking about the mechanic shop, the exterior mechanic shop. But where they actually fought the lessers. That was Sia's first day, Sia's first day. That was Sia's first day. Yes. And that was, um, uh, that was, that was super fun because that was the first time that we'd filmed, um, like an action sequence that they had rehearsed over and over and over again.
And these guys, they knew that, I mean, firstly, Robert has done so many stunts and he's, he's a stunt performer and has. You know, quite the resume when it comes to that. Um, and Sia, I don't actually know what his, stu, he doesn't, hasn't done stunts, but he don't, he has, he's a. Dancer or something. Yeah. He got those moves and he practiced them, and the two of them together were in sync.
It was so beautifully done. They performed all those moves. It was really good.
Carlos: We had stunt doubles for them to be able to, you know, perform these actions. We didn't even use them. Yeah. And they were, they were just so good at, you know, they were so committed. They were so. Into their character and they just performed.
It was amazing. Yeah. Like, it, it was, I was really impressed by that. I didn't, honestly, did not expect that.
Tosca: No, neither did I. And, and the thing is, you know, when you do stunts, when you do any of these types of, uh, scenes, you have to shoot them over and over again and people have to do the same movement every single time.
And they did. Yeah. They did the same movement. So we were able to cut it together. 'cause if you, you may not notice because it's cut very well, because Margie does, uh, such a great job. But it, it, there are so many edits. In that, um, and they have to match everything, have to match, cut everything. Yeah. And so they, again, they did an amazing job.
That fight sequence was really great. The, the them entering, going from the mechanic shop, we shot at the, like halfway through the shoot in a very, very different location than when we shot the actual fight sequence, which was in the same location that we shot Darius's car exploding. Mm-hmm.
Carlos: Yep.
Tosca: So it was all in the same area and it was all in the same few days, which, um.
Was somewhat, it was like in week two. It was week two. Yeah. It was week two. Week two of this, of this nine week schedule.
Carlos: It was our first kind of overnights. Yeah. It was the first time that we were really going into night shoots. And uh, I remember it was just being cold and it was so cold and, uh, I, I, I felt, you know, bad for all our ladies that were playing in, in, uh, our, our Whore Valley.
Oh, our of the night.
Ali: The of the Night Ladies of the Night walking around in their short, walking around in their shorts. Yeah.
Tosca: Yeah. In that freezing cold. Weather and um, Maye who played Cherry Pie.
Carlos: Mm-hmm. I feel so bad for Cherry Pie.
Tosca: She was such a trooper. She had to lie there on that mattress. For hours in the freezing cold weather with that bl blood on her.
So she's sticky.
Carlos: Yeah. We would put blankets on her. We, yeah, of course we would put jackets. We would keep her warm, but yes, she would have to be there for hours. I Sorry to have to,
Tosca: and we, we did, of course, everyone took great care of her 'cause she couldn't move.
Carlos: Yeah.
Tosca: Um, and, uh, well in any case. So I was, I was really impressed with it.
So sad to have cherry pie die.
Carlos: It made me really sad when I, when that happened. I, I, I love Mr. X and I hate Mr. X at the same time. I know, and he's just, he's such a great villian. He's so, he's so good in this. I think that whole scene where I. Um, they're in that car just creeps me out.
Tosca: I know.
Carlos: Creeps me out.
Ali: He's so good. I can't get over. I know I've said it a million times, but he's so good.
Tosca: Yeah. And in, in real life he's like so nice and friendly.
Carlos: Complete opposite. Yeah. Complete opposites from his character. And it's amazing to be able to kind of see them just kind of switch when you say action. Yeah. And they just kind of embody this character and they embody the, the persona and they just be, it's amazing to see.
It's, it's great. Yeah.
Tosca: It's like we put that white hair on him and put in his contact lenses, and then suddenly he's like, I am an evil person.
Carlos: Oh, he, he booked something because of that hair. He did. Right? He booked like a commercial. He booked a commercial. Yeah. Because of that hair, that book,
Tosca: he booked a commercial where he played a, um, a, a fashion designer at, at like a New York City runway or something.
And, and I'm like, oh, that's funny. So he had that white hair and he is all like, I'm so cool. Yeah. I was like, yeah, that actually worked.
Ali: He did. He pulled it off. Like he looked good.
Carlos: Yeah, he looked good. He did. He looked good.
Tosca: Yeah. Um. But what else, what else happened in this episode? So, oh, this is the one Beth, uh, is told that she's a vampire.
Ali: Mm-hmm.
Tosca: And Beth is told that her dad is a vampire and that she has a dad and she's taken to her dad's home. And this is a lot for a person who is brought up in foster care and thought that she was all alone to realize. And I thought that Olivia did a phenomenal job in she did in portraying those levels.
Right. So you both, um. Frightened, excited, happy, scared, upset, uh, feeling betrayed. Mm-hmm. Feeling.
Carlos: And that's all In one scene.
Tosca: All in one scene.
Carlos: That's all in one scene. And that, you know, that we, we, we joked about this on set is, you know, the fact that it, Beth and Olivia, or Olivia was just going through so many emotions in one day because she, everything that you just described would be in one scene.
It's like, I'm confused. I'm, I'm excited. Yeah. I'm thrilled and yeah.
Tosca: Exactly. You know, one of my favorite scenes is when Wrath opens the painting to the, to the staircase. Mm-hmm. And he's like, nothing will hurt you down there. I'm like, uh, I dunno if I would walk down the stone.
Ali: Absolutely not.
Tosca: Dark staircase into the dungeon.
Carlos: I, I really liked when Beth met Fritz. Super cute was that that was super cute to be able to see Fritz and have that moment where he meets Beth. 'cause you know, obviously Darius and Fritz have been keeping an eye on her, trying to, you know, trying to protect her throughout the years or X, Y, and Z and it was just beautiful to see kind of that moment.
And Gene is so good as Fritz, he's so good. And he is Fritz outside of. Outside of the character. Yeah, like if you met Gene, it's Fritz. Like it's, yeah, it's beautiful
Ali: and on. He was so sweet when the fans came to set because I don't think he quite understood our Passionflix community. I mean, we let them know that we had Passionistas visiting and he was so excited and so touched that they wanted to take pictures with him and yeah, it was really sweet.
Tosca: I think his wife has read all the books.
Carlos: I was gonna say that. Oh yeah. I believe his wife was really a fan of it. I, yeah, he, during his audition process, I believe, you know, he casually mentioned some. Things about Black Dagger Brotherhood without giving her context of it. And she's like, pick, she picked it up.
She's like, are you auditioning for Black Dagger Brotherhood?
Ali: Oh, that's so funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Carlos: He, he, he shared that story. So it's really interesting. It's it Black Dagger brotherhood. It's, it's very well known, but it's also kind of kept a kept secret. Yeah. And I kind of like that, you know, there, it, it, you know, there's, there's people that are still kind of finding out about it right now.
Yeah. And it's just, it, it, I feel like it's just gonna grow.
Tosca: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it, it's, uh, it's 20 years old. 20 years old. Yeah. But still, so. Such a beautiful, uh, story and one that I think is very still relevant today. Yes. So one we can still tell today, which is great.
Carlos: And she's JR Is still releasing books from the series
Tosca: in this series. Yeah. Yeah. Never ending. Never ending.
Ali: Well, one thing I wanna talk about is we see more of Rhage in this episode and he adds a lot of comedy to it. We get to see the famous arm scene. Yes. Um, well let's talk about the arm scene. 'cause that was kind of, that was a fun one to shoot. Yeah. First.
Tosca: That arm had to be made, and it took a very long time to make because it's obviously not his real arm.
Carlos: It's a copy of his arm, it's
Tosca: a copy, an exact copy of his arm, and, um, and it's sliced open and there's bone in there and, and, and so, so gross. It's, it's it attached to his shoulder and. And so this part is, is just all fake. And so you, you know, we have to slice it over. And so when it was actually happening on set, it looked so real.
Yeah, it was. Very gross. It gross. It was so gross. I,
Carlos: I was actually surprised that we were filming something like that, you know, 'cause Passionflix content, we're not, we're, we, we're not so gro grotesque or blood and gore and, but for this project we really brought it, we brought it, we brought in the blood and gore, we brought it, we brought the blood and gore for this project for sure.
Tosca: Yep. You know, it's, it's not, it's not a pleasant world out there for these vampires. Yeah. Um, but yeah, so it was, that was super fun. And then of course, Alex, it was one of his first scenes, wasn't it?
Carlos: Yeah, I think so. I think so. Yeah.
Tosca: And um, I mean, he was just so funny and, and was interesting because initially.
He was planning on, on doing an American accent for the character. Mm-hmm. And then JR Ward and I talked about it and we're like, no, we want everybody to have their actual accents. So we don't, because these brothers can be from anywhere and they are hundreds of years old and they could have spent a lot of time in many countries.
Yep. Um, uh, and so we loved him using his real accent. So he's like, wow, I'm acting with my real accent. This is kind of. Interesting. Um, true
Carlos: and true.
Ali: I think it adds to his character for some reason. It feels so fitting.
Tosca: It's so fitting it and it's great 'cause it's like, hey, charming. Yeah.
Carlos: You know, I, I'm excited for book two.
Tosca: Book two's gonna be great.
Carlos: I'm excited for book two.
Tosca: Yeah. He's gonna, yeah. I've been reading, I've been reading
Carlos: it and I've been diving into Rage character. Mm-hmm. And I'm really excited to be able to kind of bring that out Yeah. For next season.
Ali: So we see Billy A. Little bit in episode one. Mm-hmm. And now we can see more of him with Mr. X. He's like, mean, he's a
Tosca: he's so mean. Oh my God. Billy is like the worst episode. I episode one. I do not like him. No. In real life, I think he's super adorable.
Ali: He's so sweet.
Carlos: I love rj. He so adorable. Love RJ. But, but Billy. Billy, no.
Tosca: Not good. But, um, yeah, you know, I think one of the best things, and he, he almost needed no direction when he got in the car with loser.
Sorry. I know it's terrible, but his character's name is Loser in the book and he's loser in the, on the, on the, in the script as well. Um, but he gets in the car and he just sits behind him. Yeah. And just stares at him. I was like, yeah. I don't know where you pulled that from, RJ. It was good.
Carlos: Yeah. You see him in real life, and that's completely opposite. He's just jolly and happy and eager to be like, yeah. It just, it's amazing. Yeah.
Tosca: But he just sat there and had that, those,
Carlos: the intensity. Mm-hmm.
Tosca: Yeah. The intensity. So that was, that was, uh, that was very cool. But, uh, yeah, it's, uh, it's gonna be a wonderful, um, uh, arc for Billy this season. Mm-hmm. So, oh, Billy boy.
Ali: We also get to see more of, uh, Butch and Beth together and a little kiss in this. Oh yes. And how was it with Olivia and Michael again? 'cause now it's shifted quite dramatically from what they played in Driven Know.
Tosca: It was so funny. It was funny actually. So, so that, that was. So we filmed that, um, relatively close to the beginning of the schedule.
This was around Halloween, and that's actually when everybody decided to put on the Wrath wig on set, and everyone was wearing the Wrath wig. Um, and we had, uh, how
Carlos: was, how was the Raffa? The Wrath is what I was for Halloween. I'm sure she'll share a picture, but Yes.
Tosca: Yeah. But that was actually, so, um, I'll, I'll come back to the question in a second.
But the, the funny thing was is it's one of the first days. One of the first times that I experienced Roberts. Incredible sense of humor. I'm gonna have to share this text message with you because I sent him a picture of Primo Rafa and, and his response was so great. He's like, tell Beth it's over.
Carlos: I'm like, it's okay. I'm not trying to fight. He's like,
Tosca: he can have Tiny Wrath.
Ali: Tiny Wrath.
Carlos: Yeah. Compared to, compared to Robert, I'm definitely everybody tiny compared to Robert Tiny Wrath for sure.
Tosca: Anyways, it was really, really funny. Um, but, so yeah, that was really great. So we, we have the scene with, with Butch and Beth in the car and he's like trying his moves on her and she's like, Hmm, not really.
I mean, you're a nice guy and all. Um, and it was really fun to work with the two of them. 'cause obviously they had a lot of chemistry in 'Driven'. Mm-hmm. And they're friends, they're good friends. And so now they're just like, Hey, it's really not about us. So it was pretty fun. And they had to play no chemistry and, and it.
It worked. It did. Um, you know, the chemistry is, is more friendship and, um, brotherly brother sisterly friendship type feeling. And um, and then, you know, we see wrath seeing them. Mm-hmm. And. Then Butch going in the back to, to arrest him. And that was cool. Yes. So filming the butch arresting wrath business, the two of them, and then him driving him to the police station.
Yes. And then that scene where, um, he, you know, pull the, the handcuffs come off and then that quick move with wrath, put him against the wall and strangling him mm-hmm. Against the wall. That was great. And again, a testament to Robert's ability to do stunts and knowing where to hold somebody. And how to do it in such a way.
And then also Michael for. Because there's no, no real pressure here. Yeah. It just feels like it is. You kind of just move the skin and, but Michael had to act and the, his performance was so good. It made him look like he was going red in the face and, and be un unable to breathe. Meanwhile, nothing's really happening to him.
Yeah. And um, so well done to him. 'cause that's. Like moving the blood to your head. I dunno how he did it. Yeah, yeah.
Carlos: That whole sequence is intense and it's a testament to both of them. Yeah. Because we, you know, everything was shot in parts.
Ali: Yes.
Carlos: Nothing was shot sequential. So it was like we shot the exterior of the police station here, we shot the alley here, and then we shot the actual.
Um, arrest in the courtyard on the last day of filming. Very last day. The very last day filming. Very last day of filming. So it was just really cool to see it all come together, and it's a testament to both of them. Michael as an actor, Robert as an actor, stunt performer. Mm-hmm. To be able to kind of just cohesively match the energy throughout all the sequences, because again.
Not everything's shot sequential. Yeah. You're, you're feeding it portion here, portion here, portion here. And to be able to carry those emotions throughout ev you know mm-hmm. Every day because you're, again, you're filming that scene mm-hmm. But then you're filming another scene, and then you're filming a different scene.
So those little emotions carry out throughout the whole thing. Yeah. And it just really was beautiful to see a testament also to Margie and our editors.
Tosca: Yeah.
Carlos: Um, to be able to kind of put 'em all together and,
Tosca: and, and Olivia as well, because, you know, Olivia comes from, you know, sitting outside having had a nice.
Dinner with Butch, then coming inside and then seeing wrath in his courtyard mm-hmm. In her courtyard. Yeah. And like, oh my God, his name's wrath. What the hell's going on? He has all these weapons, he could be a murderer. And then running outside and being able to match that, um, emotional energy from her apartment courtyard to what she, what she performed 30 days earlier, outside of her exterior apartment where she, um.
Was told that Wrath was sent by her father. Like, ugh.
Ali: That was the, the courtyard was one of my favorite scenes to watch being filmed. Yeah. And then looking back at it now, because I just re-watched episode two and I for, I love the moment that Butch sees wrath from the car. The way you shot it. Yeah. It looks so cool.
And he just, yeah, Michael just killed it. She's mine. Yeah.
Carlos: Yeah, she's mine. Yeah. Just that moment. Sorry, with Wrath. Oh
Ali: yeah. Well, I was talking about Butch, but Wrath too.
Carlos: Well, sorry. It was in that same sequence and.
Tosca: I remember shooting that scene. So, and I was like, you know, I like to do everything like the book, the book, the book.
And in the script Wrath says Mine. And then Robert comes to me, he goes, it's, she's mine. I. And I was like, no, it's not. It says mine in the script. And he goes in the book, it says she's mine. And I was like, oh, fun book. It is. Book It is Robert. And he did it. It was great.
Ali: That was so good. I remember that from the table read. That's another funny moment. Just hearing him say mine for the first time and all us
Carlos: just, I think everybody just lost it at that point.
Tosca: I feel like that's an every single romance novel. Right? She's not 100% mine, mine, mine, mine, mine, mine, mine.
Ali: Yeah. And we love it.
Tosca: Yeah, we do. We do. I'm here for it. One of the most beautiful scenes that I filmed and that I, I think that, that, um, Robert and Olivia portrayed so well was. The waking up in the morning. Yes.
Ali: And Margie said that was one of her favorite scenes. Yes.
Tosca: So beautifully done. This is the, the scene where she's like, what's your name? And it's when they, you know, it's wrath. And then, and then she, and then he calls her Elizabeth, and then she says, it's Beth.
Ali: Mm-hmm.
Tosca: And the way that he says Beth, it's almost like you can tell he loves her already.
Ali: Mm-hmm.
Tosca: It was so beautiful. So we loved that scene. It felt very. Comfortable. Mm-hmm. Like they already were together and very comfortable with each other. Just Yeah. As, as characters
Carlos: and, and just touching on that, I think that goes to, that was closer to the end of our filming and Yeah. They already had that relationship just touching based onto that same thing.
It's, they had that same chemistry mm-hmm. Already, so it was just so easy for them to just kind of flow.
Ali: Yeah. I think you pulled it off. I mean, you and the actors pulled it off so well because it all felt believable and not. Weird. Yeah, it felt right.
Tosca: He a goth nightmare. He's not creepy. He's vice. Well,
Ali: yeah, he's vice.
He's, he looks great, but yes. It's like, okay, and Guy shows up. All right. Yeah, exactly. Let's do it too. But it worked out and it didn't feel up weird. Do it. Yes. Just pull up my shirt.
Tosca: Listen, I had to show that she was in control there. And so that was it.
Ali: You did!
Mm-hmm. It, it all was. It was all, it worked out really well.
Tosca: Yeah, it was beautiful.
Carlos: It was,
Ali: oh, we were gonna talk about Havers 'cause we get the lab set up. The lab looks so cool. The lab was cool in the way. It was really exciting to see what you and Margie put together, the closeup shots of the blood drops and, oh yes, it looks so really cool.
Tosca: What was really important for me to establish.
In episode two was the difference between human blood and vampire blood. Yes. So, so without going into too much talking, talking about this is what human blood is and this is what vampire blood is, we wrote it down and in the book it's, you know, I. He's, he's talking about all these, in his mind, he's talking about all this vampire, the difference between vampire blood and human blood.
But we can't have voiceover doing that. So we had all of Havers' notes everywhere. And so we filmed them as, as part of the opening sequence so that you can learn a little bit just by reading. You can learn a little bit the, about the difference between vampire blood and human blood and what the problem is.
Vampire blood cannot be stored, it, it cannot be stored, so it cannot, you can't sort of. You know. Give blood and then feed it to a vampire to keep them alive. And Havers is desperate to find a way, not to have to feed from another female because it, um, it upsets him because he lost his wife. Mm-hmm. And so, um.
And, and, you know, feeding in our law is very intimate. Mm-hmm. Um, and so he just doesn't want to feed from anyone else. And so he's trying to come up with a solution and that is like, can we mix human blood with vampire blood? Or what can we do to, um, make vampire blood? Blood sustainable outside of the body.
And uh, and in that scene, it, it fails. I mean, he's trying, keeps trying, keeps trying, but then, you know, it fails and he's sort of posturing a little bit, saying mm-hmm. I, I, I'm coming close, I'm coming close. I will find a solution. Um, and uh, and so that's what we sort of learn about Havers in this first one.
Yeah.
Ali: When you and Alys were first. Working on the script, did you already have a vision of how you wanted to do that or did that develop as as you went?
Tosca: I knew exactly how I wanted to shoot it because it was a beautiful way of open, it's a simple musical way of opening a sequence that gives information while, um, keeping us engaged.
And of course, the music, Angela Little did our music again, and she just really keeps the energy going. Um, and so, uh, yeah, so I had, I knew exactly how I wanted to do it.
Ali: Yeah. Well, it's really good.
Tosca: Thank you.
Carlos: Yeah, it's really good. I, I really enjoyed coming into the world and the universe of havers and what is experiment experimenting on that, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I, you know, originally I don't think our episode two was going to start with that sequence.
Tosca: It was always starting with that sequence. It was always, yeah, okay. Episode two always started with that sequence, but it just came later. Yes.
Carlos: Oh yeah. Yes. Yeah. So, and I think that's what the magic of editing is 'cause it came later, but,
Tosca: well, episode two, episode one was going to end later. Yeah.
Ali: Where was it gonna end? Do you remember?
Tosca: Episode one was going to end before Fritz came in with the, with the chicken. There's a moment there where wrath is. Pacing in his bedroom with the dagger.
Ali: Mm-hmm.
Tosca: That's where it ended. Oh, okay.
Ali: Yeah. I think
Tosca: I like where we, we Yeah. But we reordered all the scenes, so it, it's, it didn't, you know, so it, it's for those
Carlos: that don't remember, we went from five episodes of six episodes Yeah.
For the amount of content that we did, which is why everything kind of is being rearranged Yeah. In the edit world.
Tosca: But it's so much better. And, and so something for us to know for our future seasons is that. Um, firstly, I shoot long because there's so much in the books. Yes. And I just wanna show everything and it's really important.
And so, um, so there's that, um, that, you know, more episodes the better.
Carlos: Well, the pacing is what it should be as a novel. Yeah. We're adapting a novel and novels, when you read 'em, it's a little bit slower. It's a little bit, you know. Mm-hmm. So we're matching that same pacing because we're trying to adapt.
Ali: Yeah.
Carlos: From the book. Yeah. So I think, you know, in, in the long run it would be doing a disservice if we were trying to get everything to five episodes. Yeah. And you know, that's, it was made, made more sense to do six.
Ali: So, and that's what I like about how we do it too, because we don't stretch it just for the sake of stretching it.
Yeah. We really do justice to the books and make sure that we get the pacing right and I think what we did the way we ended it so good. Yeah. On all the episodes. Yeah.
Tosca: So good. And still hour long episodes and you know, I think episode. Five and six are longer than an hour. But you know, you'll have to just, uh, wait and see.
That's a win. That's a win. Uh, this is also it, it's, uh, you know, very nice to make that connection between Havers and Marissa. Yes. And for us to see Marissa lying down in bed there and just being, you know, sad. Mm-hmm. I mean, this gives us an idea of the, um, loneliness that Marissa has had to endure for hundreds of years.
And, um, and so I, I thought that Victory does such an amazing job she does as Marissa. And, and yeah, she, she really portrayed the softness and the delicacy of Marissa and, um, and so, and I loved seeing the connection between her and Havers. Mm-hmm. Marissa. And is because obviously his goal to find a new way of feeding is also inspired by, um, helping his sister.
Ali: Mm-hmm.
Tosca: And one of the most beautiful things about episode two as well. So once again, like we started with this wonderful scene with Beth and Wrath in her apartment, and then we end with this really beautiful scene between Beth and Wrath in his bedroom. Mm-hmm. Where her biggest fear is that she could hurt him.
Yes. Um, and she makes him promise. Not to let her kill him. And it was just so beautiful. It was, and it showed a softness from Wrath, which we, you know, start to learn. Oh, you know, we start to get more and more of as the, as a series continues. When he's with Beth. Um, and uh, anyway, I I love that scene. I love the music during that scene.
It was, it's just, um, I'd say that that's one of my favorite scenes in the entire series. It's so good.
Carlos: It was a beautiful parallel of how episode one ended and how episode two ended. It was just nice to kind of see that, that difference and yeah, it was, it kind of almost, it's the same but different. Yeah.
If that makes sense. It's a difference. It's
Tosca: intimacy. Different level of intimacy. Mm-hmm.
Carlos: Yeah. It was really a nice parallel to see for those.
Ali: Yeah. So what can fans look forward to in episode three? Or what should they prepare for emotionally?
Tosca: Yeah. Oh, prepare for emotionally. Well, I think you should prepare for.
Um, a moment with Marissa.
Ali: Mm-hmm.
Tosca: Um, Marissa making some decisions that, um, and again, she does such an amazing job. And then we also have a wonderful scene with Beth and Fritz. It expands on Beth's world a little bit more. Mm-hmm. Bit more. And, um, so she gets to experience that. Uh, yes. Episode three is actually, you know, like a lot of series that episode three is.
The middle of our season and it, a lot of information is given to the audience, so we learn. Um, Marissa, uh, and Wrath have moments together. Um, uh, Fritz and Beth have moments together where she learns a little bit more about her life. Mm-hmm. Again, wrath and Beth, um. They have this, like, there's more, more, a lot of information is, is given.
So it's, we can, it's basically we learn, we learn so much about the Black Dagger of Brotherhood, a lot more about the vampire world, a lot more about this world that JR has created. Um, and that's, uh, and it's also sexy. This is also, um, and I think that some of the fans will know it. This is also one of those, uh, it's, it's the episode where Tohrment and Wrath have a little altercation.
Um, and, uh, and so we'll discuss that next week because it's really well done.
Ali: It's so good. It's so good.
Carlos: I'm excited.
Ali: Thank you for joining us today. Um, join us again next week when we discuss episode three. And if you want to leave your comments and questions, do that wherever you're streaming, wherever you're watching, and you can also call us or text us even at 7 7 0 6 4 8 3 6 7 7.
Tosca: You know what I'd like to know, is there anybody who hasn't read the book that's reading along with the episodes? Ooh, that would be kind of fun, right? Yeah. Read along. Don't go further. Yeah. Stop.
Ali: Yeah. Well, thank you.
Tosca: Thank you.
Carlos: Thank you.