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Lizzie Daly - Thinking Big and Being Bold in a Creative Career

August 18, 2025 • Seth Macey & Aaron Mannes • Episode 286

Lizzie Daly (@lizziedalywild) is a passionate wildlife host, scientist, filmmaker, and photographer dedicated to exploring and sharing the wonders of the natural world. With a background in biology and a PhD in animal movement, she combines her scientific expertise with storytelling to create impactful wildlife documentaries for platforms like BBC, National Geographic, and Love Nature.

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Strategies for thriving in chaos while staying focused on meaningful goals
How to embrace challenges, and turn setbacks into opportunities for growth
The mental, physical, and emotional benefits of leaving your comfort zone
How to craft projects that inspire change and resonate with audiences
How reconnecting with nature can reignite creativity

Episode artwork cover photo by: @indiarrose_

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Website: https://www.lizziedaly.com/

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INTRO:

Hey, you're listening to another episode of the Photographer Mindset Podcast. I'm your co-host Seth Macey.

00:44.47
Aaron
And I'm your co-host, Aaron Mannes.

00:46.27
Seth Macey
Today we had on guest Lizzie Daly, who is a scientist, photographer, filmmaker, wildlife host of many different nature series and documentaries. She's worked for BBC, Love Nature, Nat Geo, to name a few.

01:00.37
Seth Macey
What should people listen out for in this episode?

01:03.42
Aaron
I think it was great ah how passionate she is about wildlife and the planet. And that comes comes through, even though we don't talk about wildlife and and things so discreetly, it's born the more of the mindset and her ability to want to share a story, want to make small changes, ah seeing her work create changes in the world. And I think inspiring people to maybe take that step and feel like they are empowered to make a difference.

01:32.33
Aaron
even if it's on a local level and, or even a personal level and build from there.

01:38.33
Seth Macey
Yeah. Another thing I found really interesting was how we can leverage ah things that we have access to, whether that's a ah relationship or a location or a certification or a skill set to open doors to funding for projects or to get the green light on certain projects. I found that conversation interesting as well. People should listen out for. I think we touched on the theme of finding balance in life when we're very driven people.

02:05.93
Seth Macey
ah So listen out for that in the conversation. You got anything else? Should we get right into the episode?

02:10.56
Aaron
Let's get into it.

02:11.52
Seth Macey
um Okay, let's do it.

INTERVIEW:

00:00:11.58
Seth Macey
Lizzie, we finally connected.

00:00:11.59
Lizzie
Get it.

00:00:13.48
Seth Macey
It's been a bit of a gauntlet to get, I guess, everyone in the same virtual room together.

00:00:15.49
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:00:18.45
Seth Macey
So thanks for joining us today. That's awesome.

00:00:19.82
Lizzie
No, thank you. And I really appreciate your patience with all. This is a joy.

00:00:25.20
Seth Macey
Yes, we tried to connect last week. And before Aaron, you joined, we were making the joke that she was in a hotel conference room or lobby last time. And now she's in a pure white room. And I said, I just asked, I made sure the walls aren't padded, right?

00:00:34.57
Aaron
Yeah.

00:00:38.18
Aaron
Yeah, they

00:00:39.37
Lizzie
You'd never know, that's the beauty of this, is I'll just like brush it off with a laugh, but you'll never know.

00:00:43.74
Aaron
yeah they put her away.

00:00:44.65
Seth Macey
Are artists crazy?

00:00:46.99
Lizzie
All of them. Are you?

00:00:48.03
Seth Macey
Yeah. Yes.

00:00:48.90
Lizzie
You're artists.

00:00:50.01
Seth Macey
Yes.

00:00:50.54
Lizzie
I am.

00:00:51.60
Seth Macey
You are in what way are you crazy?

00:00:51.81
Lizzie
And I'm...

00:00:53.56
Seth Macey
Self-diagnosed here.

00:00:55.92
Lizzie
I think we all need a little bit of crazy. I think just loving a bit of spontaneity, probably a bit of ADHD in there.

00:01:04.79
Seth Macey
Uh, that's common. That's a common denominator with a lot of creatives for sure. um

00:01:09.34
Lizzie
Yeah, mind wonders.

00:01:10.27
Seth Macey
Um, would you say you're somebody before we get into your background? I just like digging a little bit here. Would you say you're somebody who likes waking up knowing what they're going to do? Or do you just like having the day throw stuff at you? Maybe not on a daily basis, but maybe not knowing what you're going to do next week.

00:01:25.15
Seth Macey
In other words, do you love knowing what's coming or not at all?

00:01:28.81
Lizzie
It's a good question. And I think as a freelancer, I thrive on that chaos.

00:01:34.69
Seth Macey
Ah, nice.

00:01:34.86
Lizzie
But but i need I do need to have a mission. You know, I'm quite driven. um somebody who really strives to constantly be pushing for more, or having a bigger impact. And I'm sure we'll go on to that in a bit more detail. But, ah you know, if I was to sit...

00:01:49.74
Lizzie
in a mundane job day to day and kind of knew what that looked like. And it was just the same on repeat. I think I would actually struggle with that. So lots of creatives and freelancers feel that I'd imagine.

00:01:58.95
Seth Macey
Yeah.

00:02:01.77
Lizzie
I hope.

00:02:02.75
Seth Macey
Yeah, and then I bet you there's a lot at the same time who think, man, it'd just be nice to to just show up to work and money enters my account and i don't have the tons and tons of responsibilities that comes with being a freelancer and paving your own way.

00:02:09.36
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:02:14.37
Lizzie
For sure.

00:02:16.72
Seth Macey
Well, speaking of paving your own way, let's get to your backstory. Tell people, I read on your website you loved elephants at the age of six and you knew you wanted to do something with animals when you grew up. Here you are. Tell us how you got from point A to point B in as detailed or succinct you know way that you want.

00:02:32.25
Lizzie
Yeah. So yeah, exactly that. I loved elephants were from a very early age. And I guess then I didn't really know what what it was to have a career with elephants. I just knew I wanted to hang out with them and spend a lot of time with them.

00:02:47.64
Lizzie
But I guess, you know, that then turned into wanting to be a biologist. And so my career is, it's a funny one because it's kind of had two parallels. So there's the side where I've always wanted study animals and science and and biology. And so I followed that path, ah went on to study an undergrad at University of Exeter, then went on to Bristol University to do a master's and now nearing the end of a PhD.

00:03:11.47
Lizzie
ah But at the same time, I have this constant need and want to tell and share those stories, like many of us, um in this line of work. And I just, I don't know what it was. Like I started telling my friends about it. My family weren't necessarily in that field or particularly into wildlife, but they really encouraged that in me. they We were always outdoors, but it was something that I kind of had to find on my own.

00:03:37.65
Lizzie
And so storytelling was the best way to get people to... you know, for me to get that out and and to get people to care and interested. And so I started making rubbish videos from a very early age.

00:03:50.78
Lizzie
They're all gone now.

00:03:50.89
Seth Macey
What made them rubbish?

00:03:52.58
Lizzie
Oh my gosh. I mean, i did it was like animal impressions. This was like in the space of YouTube before it was like big YouTube that we know now.

00:04:03.28
Lizzie
And it was like animal impressions and things that I'd find on my in my back garden and fun, interesting facts.

00:04:08.09
Aaron
We're going to need some of those for, for B roll.

00:04:09.31
Seth Macey
we are going to need some you

00:04:09.59
Lizzie
They're all gone. They're gone.

00:04:12.05
Aaron
Well, can you do one right now? Like what's your best animal impression?

00:04:14.36
Lizzie
And I'll an impression. um ah This is what I need to work on, but the hippo is like, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh.

00:04:22.83
Aaron
That's pretty good.

00:04:23.09
Lizzie
not

00:04:23.32
Aaron
and No,

00:04:23.64
Lizzie
I've heard a few good hippos and now I'm like, I want to nail it. but anyway, again, just cancelling myself on your podcast.

00:04:30.14
Seth Macey
No, it's, I mean, if you're getting canceled for doing hippo sounds, right?

00:04:31.62
Aaron
I think, I think you're going viral, viral.

00:04:34.19
Seth Macey
Yes.

00:04:35.20
Lizzie
They'll just like cut out that clip, nothing else.

00:04:37.06
Aaron
Yeah.

00:04:37.90
Lizzie
ah Yeah, and then so I started just just making fun videos, posted them online, and I actually um wanted to to go with my agent, Jo Sarsby in Bristol. She had all the kind of big storytellers and presenters in wildlife and natural history.

00:04:55.07
Lizzie
And in that time, I also got spotted by a BBC producer. He was like, hey, come in for an interview. I got that job, first job was on a kid show and I was the wildlife presenter, which was an awesome, awesome opportunity.

00:05:06.38
Aaron
Mm-hmm.

00:05:08.76
Lizzie
And I think really important actually in shaping how I tell stories because, you know, that first job, it was like so overwhelming. There was jibs flying across the room. there was like 15 kids and about a crew of like 30 people.

00:05:22.19
Lizzie
And I thought, what is going on? But it wasn't about me in that moment. It wasn't about the crew in that moment. And, you know, kids TV is, well, just that for kids.

00:05:34.66
Lizzie
But it was a wonderful entrance into what is such a convoluted and and complex industry because it really reaffirmed why I want to do that and why I want to tell stories because we're not there to just, you know, I'm a presenter for sure, but I'm,

00:05:48.49
Lizzie
I'm also somebody who wants to tell stories through through camera work and through other avenues as well. It's not just about being on screen. So I've missed out quite quite a few things there, but long story short, that's kind of my entrance into into storytelling and science.

00:06:03.70
Seth Macey
And where are you at right now in your career, current day?

00:06:06.97
Lizzie
Yeah, so current day, I'm nearing the end of my PhD, which will be a big thing. And also for broadcast, I've worked, you know, with various channels, BBC, National Geographic, Discovery.

00:06:18.89
Lizzie
um We've just launched literally as of two days ago, a new series for Love Nature. It's called Deep Dive Series 2, North America.

00:06:26.72
Aaron
It's amazing.

00:06:28.19
Lizzie
And we essentially circumnavigate the whole of North America focusing on marine stories and incredible scientists doing epic work and um yeah I'm still doing films in the UK with the BBC and we've got some new exciting projects that can't talk about annoyingly coming up next year so yeah it's all it's all go

00:06:49.16
Seth Macey
Nice.

00:06:49.50
Aaron
amazing

00:06:49.83
Seth Macey
Well, I ask every creator who comes on the show this question, who seems to have a jam packed schedule, as it sounds like you do filming and school, et cetera, what gets sacrificed or are you incredibly diligent with scheduling your time?

00:07:06.22
Lizzie
No, I'm not. That is a good question. And if you find the answer about having that balance, can you let me know?

00:07:14.42
Seth Macey
So you don't feel, you feel like your balance could be better.

00:07:17.79
Lizzie
100%. Yeah, 100%.

00:07:19.57
Seth Macey
In which direction?

00:07:19.72
Lizzie
And okay, so I love that you asked this question. I think this is a really good one because there's there's multiple layers to it. If I was to just simply on a broader level, look at personal life versus personal my work life, like I have to sacrifice a lot in my personal life, you know, spending time with friends and family and partners and loved ones, naturally that's going to happen.

00:07:42.59
Lizzie
But then even within those different fields, I feel like I sacrifice sometimes creativity when I'm working on my PhD or if I'm in my academic zone I'm not pitching for new ideas and ways of reaching much bigger audiences than if I was to publish a paper you know so it's it's constantly moving for me I feel that I'm still trying to find that flow but I love that question because I've never had one thing that I've gone really hard in on it's always been

00:08:13.88
Lizzie
science and storytelling together and I've just been kind of growing in both those ways over a long period of time which I'm really grateful for now but I think I need that mix of things and that swinging from one to the other to feel like I'm having a well-rounded impact with all the sacrifice in mind.

00:08:33.37
Aaron
Do you consciously borrow from different areas? If you were saying, I need to go full in on pitches this month, um where am I going to borrow this time from? is it Is it personal life? Is it socializing? Is it being creative?

00:08:48.34
Aaron
Or is it more of a retroactive look of like, oh, haven't been creative lately in the last month. I'm going to pick that up. And then therefore something else comes down. you feel like there's a conscious sort of juggling or decision-making or maybe a more retroactive looking at and then adjusting as you go?

00:09:07.05
Lizzie
Yeah, i it's again, a really good question. I think think both, to be honest. That's where the time management comes in, right? And it's important for us in our industries to be able to do that, to be able to navigate through all of those things in the best way possible to have that kind of impact.

00:09:23.70
Lizzie
And I know I keep saying having impact, but you know for me, a lot that is ultimately what drives a lot of lot of that work.

00:09:25.68
Seth Macey
Mm-hmm.

00:09:31.48
Lizzie
But at the same time, um might get burnt out and I need to get my face in a snorkel and in the water, you know, and remind myself of why I'm doing that.

00:09:39.06
Aaron
Mm-hmm.

00:09:40.87
Lizzie
Or, you know, if I feel like some of that work is quite hedonistic, which I find sometimes pitching to be, you know, promoting yourself, pushing yourself as being... the face of a new project sometimes it's just about figuring out okay like you know remember why you're doing this and and make sure you impact is balanced um and you are still going out and and getting involved in environmental campaigns or or doing important research or showcasing a good project how about you guys you must find it hard to balance too

00:10:15.53
Aaron
Seth, do you want to

00:10:17.64
Seth Macey
i think I don't think you ever get that perfect. And I think life has seasons, right? So I've said multiple times on the show recently, probably in the last year, the way I'm categorizing categorizing priorities and life currently is, excuse me, I'm picking three really audacious goals, for lack of a better term, that have a high degree of failure or and maybe 50% degree of failure if you do everything well and I break my days down into tasks that get on my task list if they pass the question of does this get me closer to one of those three goals and if the answer is yes then I consider that signal if the answer is no then I consider that noise

00:11:02.40
Lizzie
Yeah, great.

00:11:11.34
Seth Macey
Now, obviously, you can take that overboard because visiting friends, let's say, would be noise. But I mean, it's important to have somewhat of a social life, even if like something, right?

00:11:21.11
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:11:22.84
Seth Macey
We're social animals. But at the same time, I also understand and what's helped is, hey, next year you can pick three different things.

00:11:30.70
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:11:31.96
Seth Macey
And.

00:11:32.23
Aaron
Mm-hmm.

00:11:34.88
Seth Macey
I have the hypothesis that doing that repeatedly over a lifetime, picking three very difficult or interesting things to accomplish probably would make for an interesting life.

00:11:45.61
Seth Macey
I could be wrong.

00:11:45.75
Lizzie
o

00:11:46.31
Seth Macey
i'll I'll tell you at the end.

00:11:48.40
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:11:49.43
Seth Macey
But that's kind of how I'm structuring, how I'm combining macro vision with a day-to-day operate like task list.

00:11:49.69
Lizzie
We'll circle back.

00:12:00.54
Lizzie
Love that.

00:12:01.48
Seth Macey
Yeah.

00:12:02.92
Aaron
That was the scientific answer. I think mine's more heart, honestly, like, um ah cool ah yeah, not to, I'm not putting, I think there's a place for both, but I would say 80% heart and 20% logic.

00:12:09.26
Seth Macey
Less robotic?

00:12:13.22
Lizzie
Are you a robot?

00:12:18.79
Aaron
Uh, I juggle a lot and I, uh, I pride, i pride, there's pride in, I feel like my time management.

00:12:19.19
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:12:26.97
Aaron
I feel like when I list off things to people that I'm doing, they're always like, like how? And I'm not sure, I'm not sure.

00:12:34.70
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:12:34.91
Aaron
i just kind of go, I go where the need is.

00:12:35.69
Seth Macey
peace

00:12:39.25
Aaron
I like feeling fresh.

00:12:39.73
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:12:40.77
Aaron
I don't like feeling stagnant. Even my career as a school counselor and working in a middle school, it's a different day every single day. Not to mention the seasons, the breaks, the holidays, the summer's off.

00:12:51.72
Aaron
There's a lot of room to reinvent myself in certain ways.

00:12:55.71
Lizzie
Yes.

00:12:56.89
Aaron
And that keeps me fresh. And then I have these main pillars of priority. My son, he's nine years old. ah Things that we do with him, my dog. ah I recently have a Huskies in the background.

00:13:09.92
Aaron
um That's a whole undertaking that I thought I knew.

00:13:13.91
Seth Macey
You'll probably hear him.

00:13:15.24
Aaron
i thought I knew what I was getting into, but I i still am surprised daily on on what that takes. ah Yeah, that there's there's art, there's music, there's creativity, there's photography, there's house chores. And I kind of on a day-to-day juggle what what needs to get done.

00:13:35.06
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:13:35.32
Aaron
For example, before this podcast, I looked in my bathroom and I was like, I need to clean this. And I just attacked it.

00:13:42.15
Lizzie
Love that.

00:13:42.50
Aaron
But that wasn't on my list of this needs to get done on, on what day is it?

00:13:46.34
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:13:47.00
Aaron
Monday. On Monday is at eight o'clock. We need to clean the bathroom.

00:13:50.28
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:13:50.44
Aaron
That's not, that's not exactly how I go.

00:13:52.06
Seth Macey
Then your bathroom never gets dirty that way.

00:13:54.69
Aaron
Exactly. Yeah. Well, true.

00:13:55.80
Lizzie
Oh, and you gotta do that, right?

00:13:57.31
Aaron
True. True.

00:13:58.14
Lizzie
Just mess it up a little, throw a toothbrush around.

00:14:00.78
Aaron
you you gotta, you can't live in perfection. That's just maddening.

00:14:04.29
Lizzie
Well, okay, so on that, because don't you feel there's a huge emphasis on productivity at the minute?

00:14:04.80
Aaron
Uh,

00:14:10.31
Lizzie
I don't know if that's felt as much where you guys are, but everyone's like, I'm up at four.

00:14:12.53
Seth Macey
Yeah. Yes.

00:14:15.71
Lizzie
And we live in a culture now where you have to be like always winning.

00:14:17.32
Seth Macey
Yes.

00:14:20.88
Lizzie
um

00:14:20.97
Seth Macey
I am so glad you said that.

00:14:23.31
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:14:23.50
Aaron
Yeah.

00:14:24.43
Lizzie
And I feel that.

00:14:24.45
Seth Macey
i I feel like I was immersed in that culture ah just through podcasts or YouTube.

00:14:32.04
Lizzie
Hmm.

00:14:32.57
Seth Macey
Still am, but i've taken I've kind of pulled back a little bit because it's I guess it would be just like learning a language. If you're if you're constantly surrounded by it, it becomes you over time.

00:14:42.03
Lizzie
Yeah. Hmm.

00:14:43.58
Seth Macey
and i got to a point where i was like i get it i don't need to hear this stuff anymore i think when i went searching for that kind of material i needed a kick in the butt a few years ago but since then i think i was continuing to be immersed in that culture in overdrive and had the tendency to potentially take it too far like like you just said you have to be up at four doing these things you you got to go for your 10 mile ruck at uh seven in the morning um in 40 degree wet like i don't know so i've i've pulled back

00:15:15.95
Seth Macey
and i've kind of felt a little bit more at peace just because i think some of that stuff can be ridiculous and nothing is a one-size-fits-all ever

00:15:19.20
Aaron
Mm-hmm.

00:15:26.17
Lizzie
No, for sure. And you know, I'm, I'm somebody who has that kind of creative streak in them. And I, I, I find myself sometimes just pushing and pushing and pushing,

00:15:38.51
Lizzie
for ideas and projects. And and i think you just have to kind of know your limits. Like you said, Aaron, it's like some days you just, you may not be feeling it or you might have to prioritize something else.

00:15:50.20
Seth Macey
Thank

00:15:50.40
Aaron
Yeah.

00:15:50.47
Lizzie
And finding that balance is actually really, really important for the longevity of it to understand that why you're doing it and the drivers and the passion has to be there.

00:15:56.83
Aaron
yeah

00:15:59.03
Lizzie
you have to You have to love it. And um yeah, I don't know, we were we're in a real culture now where, And actually coming back to nature full circle, it's like sitting in nature and just enjoying it and seeing it for what it is, so important. And we're moving far away from that. And that's a bit scary.

00:16:17.73
Aaron
Yeah, i oh I think it's a very interesting concept, this this whole this whole drive and pushing yourself beyond. And I think any extreme, there's a cost.

00:16:28.10
Aaron
And we've seen it time and time again. I'm a big golf fan. You can look at someone like Tiger Woods and be like an extreme athlete and golfer, but what did he sacrifice on like the social emotional front or with family or friends or but yeah just anything.

00:16:43.66
Lizzie
yeah

00:16:46.99
Aaron
And not to, I don't know his life, but just from an outsider and some of the stories and interviews, you you become, you can become a machine.

00:16:53.06
Seth Macey
Thank you.

00:16:55.26
Aaron
And I think sometimes, to me, like ah a B or a B plus has always been good enough where it's like to get that a plus now, what are we sacrificing? What, what things have to be dropped off? What things have to be forgotten to get that little bit more. And then what's the reward of that a plus versus a B plus?

00:17:17.33
Lizzie
Mm, yeah.

00:17:18.09
Aaron
Does it keep you from something?

00:17:18.37
Lizzie
yeah

00:17:19.49
Aaron
Does it change anything? And we see this, I see this with wildlife photographers too. I think there's a point of like, encroaching on wildlife to get the best photo, to do it every single day, to not visit a Fox den once, but 20 days in a row and influence their entire upbringing, uh, to get a shot or to get attention or to push yourself or to be able to say that I spent 20 days here and I got all these photos.

00:17:43.33
Seth Macey
Thank you.

00:17:45.61
Lizzie
Yeah, it's interesting.

00:17:49.33
Aaron
I think there's sometimes there's a, there's a sacrifice and there's a downside to pushing yourself, not just for you, but the entire universe around you.

00:17:56.41
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:17:59.38
Lizzie
Yeah, yeah.

00:18:00.15
Aaron
So I don't know. I think I'm, I'm careful with it. I think that also comes from your upbringing and potentially, do you have a chip on your shoulder? Do you need to prove something to someone? Uh, and if you, huh?

00:18:11.63
Seth Macey
Smirking. Maybe.

00:18:13.32
Lizzie
Hmm?

00:18:13.57
Seth Macey
you have to...

00:18:14.48
Lizzie
Well, I'm like, this is like therapy. This is great.

00:18:16.95
Seth Macey
Oh, I thought maybe you were like...

00:18:17.33
Lizzie
Not what I expected. I was like, yeah, I do. Yes, that's me.

00:18:19.71
Seth Macey
Your face made a twitch when you said chip on your shoulder, so I wasn't sure. Like...

00:18:23.07
Lizzie
No, it's... I think this is so true. Just because they say that those who are doing, you know, you see this whole culture of like... ultra marathon runners and people were like day one of sailing the ocean and everyone's on day one of sailing the ocean and they're like what is driving but they say that those people who are mostly damaged or have experienced things in their past or trauma are those that really push themselves um in that way i don't know

00:18:33.62
Seth Macey
Right.

00:18:35.80
Aaron
Yeah.

00:18:49.93
Aaron
Yeah, it's an every great musician that you watch their do documentary, you're like, oh, whoa, that's a hard upbringing or that's I did not know that they had that life and they pushed through that thing and they went through that.

00:18:58.45
Lizzie
yeah yeah

00:19:02.85
Aaron
They were homeless for three years, like in the streets of New York.

00:19:04.45
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:19:05.69
Aaron
Like just you have no idea. Like you see the end product sometimes and it's it's not too often like a rich kid from Greenwich, Connecticut is like the next rock star.

00:19:08.50
Seth Macey
That's all we

00:19:11.24
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:19:18.08
Lizzie
No.

00:19:18.18
Aaron
They're pretty comfortable.

00:19:19.72
Lizzie
Totally.

00:19:20.62
Aaron
They're pretty comfortable and they they don't have that that drive maybe to make it.

00:19:20.64
Lizzie
Totally.

00:19:23.74
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:19:25.43
Aaron
They got it. They already got it. They've had it since they've been born.

00:19:27.62
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:19:27.94
Aaron
They want for not.

00:19:29.94
Lizzie
And it's just on that, I know we're kind of going on a bit of a tangent here we're ah away from wildlife, but you know I have always been very active through my work in the wildlife film industry.

00:19:33.74
Aaron
oh We love tangents.

00:19:34.76
Seth Macey
all we do

00:19:46.13
Lizzie
constantly driven, always put you know posting as much as I can, um trying to be really active and ah and but a player in that game, if you like, because I feel that's really important to me, aligned with my values.

00:19:57.33
Lizzie
And that feedback I get all the time is, you're always so busy. When do you get the time? But if you were to meet me outside of that, you know, in my personal life, when it comes to my my past, my checkered past, my...

00:20:10.88
Lizzie
is checkered, does that mean I've, like, been a bad person? Or is that...

00:20:14.46
Aaron
Spotty. Like, uh, there's some stuff there.

00:20:16.42
Lizzie
Okay, no, okay, no, I haven't gone to prison.

00:20:18.17
Seth Macey
I was waiting for more context to figure out

00:20:19.86
Lizzie
I haven't gone to prison, no.

00:20:21.56
Aaron
No.

00:20:21.51
Lizzie
as in As in what you're talking about earlier in reference to difficulties in my younger life.

00:20:26.75
Aaron
Yeah, difficulties. Mm-hmm.

00:20:28.40
Lizzie
You know, I'm not open about, as in I've always been very private about that. I don't post that online. In terms of kind of my downtime when I'm out, on walks or runs or with friends and with my loved ones, you know, I am very, ah try to be as present as possible. I try to be private with that.

00:20:46.57
Lizzie
So it's kind of this juxtaposition between the two, which I feel like a lot, lot of people now are struggling with where that begins and where that ends. And suddenly that, that loss of self and purpose, um, has, has come about, I feel in younger generations.

00:20:57.49
Aaron
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

00:21:00.83
Seth Macey
and

00:21:05.00
Lizzie
And, um, yeah, it's just, it's interesting.

00:21:07.74
Seth Macey
Well, here was something I was thinking about when Aaron was talking about sometimes a B plus is good enough for him, right? ah that's That's kind of liberating in this in a sense, right?

00:21:16.26
Lizzie
Heck yeah.

00:21:16.85
Seth Macey
I don't have to go full throttle to produce something that I'm decently proud of or that's well received. But here's the thing. you're you know You're doing work for BBC, right?

00:21:28.69
Seth Macey
You're there because they're accepting A plus work.

00:21:32.18
Lizzie
yeah

00:21:32.62
Seth Macey
Right. So just rewinding a bit, do you find that everything has to be just absolutely perfect? And has that kind of been a theme to get you where you are currently in your.

00:21:45.67
Seth Macey
I don't feel like a better term career. I don't know if there's a better word for it. Personal journey, creative journey.

00:21:51.10
Lizzie
yeah yeah look I think I think everyone whether you sit in the b plus ring or you know less if you're green to anything and you're trying to kind of build up a career or you're already there, you should always be mindful that you want to be doing more good work.

00:22:13.06
Lizzie
And i to your point, Aaron, like I do agree, I think that's a really nice approach. I guess perhaps I fall in that category of of being driven, always wanting to do bigger and better.

00:22:24.80
Lizzie
And, you know, that opportunity that got quite, you know, early on in my career, quite a long time ago now, was for me almost like setting that bar and so I always now want to at least be comfortable there or how or be able to to kind of tell bigger and better stories and have have more impact as I keep saying but yeah I think that's where the beauty of

00:22:45.91
Aaron
Mm-hmm.

00:22:54.00
Lizzie
wildlife storytelling is, right? It's finding new ways of telling stories, whether it's new tech or new presenter or new expedition, new format. um I get excited about that, you know, when i'm when I'm writing ideas in or chatting to producers or discussing a new potential project. And and I think, especially with my more recent series,

00:23:15.75
Lizzie
where we have had a bit more flexibility in format and at least kind of how I tell the stories with Love Nature, the two series of deep dive we've just done. You know, I've been able to bring in my skills as a scientist as much as I have as, you know, being able to also be there as as a presenter and a storyteller. And that's been really important for me, I think, in shaping...

00:23:36.96
Lizzie
how I want to tell stories, how I want to be in that world of people on screen in natural history.

00:23:43.61
Aaron
Mm-hmm.

00:23:44.36
Lizzie
And I guess that integrity as well is like, we should be telling stories about science and not shying away from that. We, you know, we should be thinking differently about how we want to reach more audiences because it's not working.

00:23:57.39
Lizzie
You know, we've been trying the same old thing for quite a while now and still we're seeing decline across the board. So ah yeah, I'm personally with,

00:24:04.15
Seth Macey
Really?

00:24:06.63
Seth Macey
Decline across the board. Really? I'm surprised by that.

00:24:10.03
Lizzie
Oh, you're being sarcastic. Okay.

00:24:11.89
Seth Macey
No, I'm genuinely surprised by that.

00:24:12.80
Lizzie
Oh, oh, for our planet?

00:24:16.83
Seth Macey
No, thought you said, excuse me, like interest in science.

00:24:19.58
Lizzie
Oh no, I mean a planet's in decline.

00:24:22.07
Seth Macey
Oh. Oh, I thought you said that there was a viewership that...

00:24:23.98
Lizzie
Yes.

00:24:25.89
Aaron
No, way more, way more serious, Seth.

00:24:25.92
Lizzie
No, no, very sorry, sorry, sorry.

00:24:27.93
Seth Macey
Oh, i thought you said viewership interest was in decline.

00:24:30.02
Lizzie
You're like, really? I'm like, oh no, this is what I'm talking about. No, I'm kidding.

00:24:33.39
Seth Macey
Oh, yeah.

00:24:33.74
Aaron
Yeah.

00:24:34.27
Seth Macey
I'm like, who cares? Screw it.

00:24:36.55
Lizzie
The planet, what?

00:24:37.35
Seth Macey
I thought you meant your ah your viewership.

00:24:39.99
Lizzie
Yeah, no, no.

00:24:40.17
Seth Macey
Like, interest in science. Well, on that, do you think people are more or less equally interested in science and learning about natural history?

00:24:46.34
Lizzie
I don't think people are people switch off with science. It's the same old story.

00:24:51.15
Seth Macey
Right. Right.

00:24:52.52
Lizzie
I don't know. Do you guys, when you see somebody come on screen and they're like, this is a scientist about tell you about science. Like, what do you where do you go?

00:25:00.49
Seth Macey
i I personally don't like to watch things regarding to science. I like to read about it.

00:25:06.62
Lizzie
Cool. Journals or as in...

00:25:07.55
Seth Macey
um Books.

00:25:10.27
Lizzie
Yeah, nice.

00:25:11.06
Seth Macey
I love a good Peterson guide. i love, you know, just anything.

00:25:13.51
Lizzie
Cool.

00:25:13.95
Aaron
no

00:25:14.28
Seth Macey
um i find my visual media is I'm looking...

00:25:21.13
Seth Macey
I don't mind being educated via YouTube, e etc. It's just I'm not looking for ah nature, wildlife, things that I'm kind of already doing in my creative life first person. I need a break from it.

00:25:34.93
Seth Macey
So I guess I'm kind of an outlier.

00:25:37.58
Lizzie
No, for sure.

00:25:37.75
Seth Macey
But I find my interest in in reading personally. So I guess I'm never going to watch you on TV.

00:25:43.80
Lizzie
You, Aaron? Yeah, all right. Well, thanks for being clear and honest. At least we're all on same page here.

00:25:49.98
Seth Macey
I'm kidding.

00:25:50.29
Aaron
uh

00:25:51.00
Seth Macey
kidding.

00:25:51.49
Lizzie
Sweet.

00:25:51.84
Seth Macey
i' am kidding

00:25:53.89
Aaron
i I enjoy it. I grew up with the Crocodile Hunter and Jeff Corwin and and those shows on TV. i'm I'm older. um It's a slower pace. I appreciate that.

00:26:05.35
Aaron
I appreciate watching golf on TV. like I don't think many in this...

00:26:08.58
Lizzie
right

00:26:10.57
Aaron
day and age can stand that if your attention span is so short. I think you are probably fighting against the eight second reels and the the fast action movies and shows and the way that things are done these days. Even um what is that show for kids?

00:26:30.58
Seth Macey
Cocoa melon.

00:26:31.87
Aaron
Yeah, the the research in terms of like setting up babies and measuring when they look away and then noting we have to we have to flash colors before those changes like is it's serious.

00:26:34.94
Lizzie
I don't know it.

00:26:40.07
Lizzie
Oh, what?

00:26:43.60
Lizzie
Come on.

00:26:44.54
Seth Macey
Oh, yeah.

00:26:46.30
Lizzie
That's crazy.

00:26:46.55
Aaron
What colors derive more attention, like all the research to keep eyes on and keep hooked. I think it takes a special person to be able to sit and and learn.

00:26:58.59
Aaron
Also, firsthand experience when my son was younger. think it was Blue Planet. And David Attenborough starts off with, the jellyfish are dying.

00:27:07.27
Seth Macey
Yeah. Yeah.

00:27:10.31
Aaron
And my son bawled into tears.

00:27:12.63
Lizzie
that your David Attenborough impression?

00:27:14.29
Aaron
hey yeah The jellyfish are dying.

00:27:17.30
Lizzie
They're all dead.

00:27:17.80
Aaron
And my son just started bawling. And that's true emotion to what is happening to

00:27:21.20
Seth Macey
yeah

00:27:22.58
Lizzie
Oh man, yeah.

00:27:27.37
Aaron
our planet. And I think we all feel that, but it's hard to watch it.

00:27:34.30
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:27:34.50
Aaron
It's hard to see it and accept it and deal with it. And we see that a lot. I'd rather be stuck in my echo chamber and not have to worry about anything that I don't know or don't believe in.

00:27:44.47
Seth Macey
Yeah, it's comfy there, right?

00:27:46.01
Aaron
It's comfy there.

00:27:46.51
Lizzie
It is comfortable. Yeah. It's honestly, you know, we've I'm sure you've heard of the expression climate anxiety, but it is something that plagues my mind is just how many people just age is not interested.

00:28:00.35
Lizzie
b we're interested, but kind of a disconnected or jaded by an industry that in some ways has either miscommunicated the message or over, you know, communicated climate crisis and it's turned people off.

00:28:15.30
Lizzie
It's worrying, it's not to be depressing, but it's, yeah, it really does occupy my mind. What's the point?

00:28:20.86
Aaron
I'm on a walk yesterday. I had a theory. I'm curious your thoughts.

00:28:23.96
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:28:26.26
Aaron
In an acute situation, there's ah there's a ah fire starting in my household. I go into protection mode. Let's see if I can. I need to get my son out. I need to get my dog out. I need to maybe if there's time for valuables, the most important things to me, I am going to take care of in this crisis.

00:28:37.50
Lizzie
Clean your bathroom.

00:28:44.79
Aaron
And I wonder on like a whole, we've come to a point where We have every information data point from every part of the world. This horrible thing's happening here.

00:28:55.18
Aaron
A tsunami over here, a shooting in seven states over over here.

00:28:57.75
Seth Macey
you

00:28:59.38
Aaron
The climate's burning. There's a volcano over here. ah Blue whales are on the dec... Like all this information, I wonder if... in a sense, it almost is damaging as a human to be like, I just have to take care of myself.

00:29:15.48
Aaron
i've I have, forty I have 40, I have 80 more years to set up my family. I need to be as greedy as possible because the ship is sinking. The house is on fire.

00:29:23.71
Lizzie
Yeah. Yeah.

00:29:25.29
Aaron
And it, it, when things are comfortable, you can go, i'm going to donate to charity. What's something that's important to me. I'm going to go volunteer. But I feel like when it's on stress mode, you're like, I have to save myself.

00:29:34.17
Lizzie
For sure.

00:29:39.13
Lizzie
For sure. Yeah. 100%.

00:29:42.07
Lizzie
think everyone's, I say everyone, a lot of us, especially in the global north or the western world, have become desensitized to a lot of these things.

00:29:46.62
Seth Macey
All right.

00:29:53.23
Lizzie
And so what we do is we point fingers to places and issues and we say, you need to fix that.

00:29:57.39
Aaron
Mm-hmm.

00:29:58.75
Lizzie
Meanwhile, the people in those places are, as you say, dealing with much more pain issues day in, day out survival, feeding their kids. And yeah, I guess broadly speaking to your point, that everyone's got their own world and has their own view on, you know, that how they want to live. And sometimes that's constricted by you know, things like money and lifestyle and access. And um I think they always say, don't they, is act local and think global because that would be the best way to actually make a difference.

00:30:32.40
Seth Macey
right.

00:30:39.93
Lizzie
um I think that the thing that I'm seeing more and more is, you know, people always ask me, what should we do as individuals to make a difference in our day-to-day life? You can get involved in a campaign.

00:30:50.36
Lizzie
Think about what you eat. ah get excited about the species on your coastline, you know, inspire your kids, your your son to to see what's on his doorstep to care for that.

00:30:58.47
Aaron
Mm-hmm.

00:31:01.12
Lizzie
That's probably list of some of the more obvious things to go for. But at the end of the day, there's these bigger systems that are essentially working against us.

00:31:08.75
Seth Macey
Thank you.

00:31:11.28
Lizzie
And so while we're going in circles, desensitizing ourselves, over messaging amongst one another, and then becoming this whole kind of mess about what we need to do, these bigger systems, governments are going on with plans, by the way, backed by whole marketing teams that give us these very nuanced and specific messages to convince us or to distract us from one issue issue or another.

00:31:37.55
Lizzie
And um it it's something that we as an individual struggle to think that we're part of, but but we need to, I guess, have that awareness that these systems exist and that drive and fire in our bellies to want to kind of

00:31:39.07
Seth Macey
Thank you.

00:31:56.74
Lizzie
reach those levels to make a difference. And I think that's where things like campaigning and working with NGOs and and bigger things can be a really powerful tool. um Again, we've gone down a bit of a wormhole of impact, but it's, yeah, it's, I think exactly, no you've nailed it in terms of, I guess, where we sit as individuals and and what that means for the bigger picture.

00:32:09.76
Aaron
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

00:32:19.73
Lizzie
It's tough.

00:32:20.20
Seth Macey
Can I ask you a question about this keyword impact we keep saying?

00:32:23.34
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:32:24.67
Seth Macey
How are you measuring impact in your creative life and in how your programs are well received? Your Instagram posts, like what is impact? How do you know whether having Right.

00:32:35.86
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:32:36.62
Seth Macey
you're having one

00:32:37.91
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:32:40.59
Lizzie
I don't know if I'm having an impact on a daily basis. I'm looking at I mean, there's the obvious, there's the analytics, which I'm obsessed with.

00:32:49.03
Seth Macey
right

00:32:49.98
Lizzie
And then, you know, viewerships for programs, which essentially drive whether you do more or you do another series or you change narrative or you, you know, you couldn't. target certain broadcasters based on their impact.

00:33:03.84
Lizzie
What's really refreshing is to see how new players are, I should say old players are coming in with new and creative ways to have impact. Great example, Silverback making the ocean documentary. For anyone who hasn't seen it, it's a brand new ocean documentary that's all about trawling.

00:33:21.65
Lizzie
And they that was a specific...

00:33:23.82
Seth Macey
Mm-hmm.

00:33:24.96
Lizzie
ah kind of documentary and the timing was very purposeful. It was just before the ocean conference, UN ocean conference, and they wanted to do a big push to essentially stop trawling.

00:33:37.64
Lizzie
And all that that the trigger from that was massive. Globally, people were talking about trawling and they'd filmed this like never been seen before footage of this bottom trawling. And it really had a ripple effect in ocean conservation.

00:33:52.70
Lizzie
That to me is the dream. If we can really be making programs which are framed around genuine change on the ground, um So yeah, I mean, it's how I started. My first documentary was on salmon farming and how they're shooting.

00:34:05.47
Seth Macey
Cool.

00:34:06.89
Lizzie
Yeah, there was, they're shooting seals and it's not being monitored and they're illegally shooting them. And it led to a court case with a kind of a big salmon farming company and they got fined and they had to move their farm. And that for me was like a, okay, that's like, this is,

00:34:25.67
Lizzie
This is impact beyond just telling a good story. But honestly, Seth, like it's a, again, it's something that constantly I'm going around in circles with, to be honest.

00:34:34.52
Aaron
Yeah.

00:34:35.34
Lizzie
I

00:34:35.42
Seth Macey
Maybe it's not the padded room today.

00:34:35.58
Aaron
That's what landed her in the padded room, the white padded room.

00:34:39.02
Seth Macey
That's right.

00:34:39.12
Aaron
Yeah.

00:34:39.69
Lizzie
belong.

00:34:39.96
Aaron
She's going nuts.

00:34:40.15
Seth Macey
I mean, maybe it's not something that can be measured all the time. I guess as humans, we want to label things and name everything and measure everything. I'm speaking about myself.

00:34:50.32
Seth Macey
I guess it helps us make sense of the world, but maybe a lot of it is just anecdote and kind of...

00:34:50.88
Aaron
Yeah.

00:34:57.69
Seth Macey
like like you just described paying attention um this happened as a result of what i did maybe it's that's not you can't really i guess uh measure that beyond headlines or or knowing it's not like pure it's not a pure data set for example right

00:35:04.19
Aaron
yeah

00:35:11.67
Lizzie
yeah yeah

00:35:12.66
Aaron
And Seth, I think we we talk about in art, just pure art, doing it for yourself and loving it yourself and being very truthful and the audience should follow.

00:35:12.96
Lizzie
yeah

00:35:23.60
Aaron
we've We've had these conversations many times. And in a sense, it sounds ah sounds similar. Like this is a cause that I want to share and I am going to do it truthfully. I'm going to do it creatively And I really hope people resonate with it.

00:35:41.54
Aaron
But either way, it's important to me.

00:35:44.89
Lizzie
Yeah. Yeah.

00:35:45.96
Seth Macey
Right.

00:35:47.46
Lizzie
Do know one thing that is not really measurable, but I just warms me up inside is part of the deep dive series is we get to meet scientists from all over and showcase their work. They're on screen.

00:35:58.56
Lizzie
We have a day with them because budgets are a bit smaller than big BBC productions, the blue chip stuff. But there is nothing better than starting that day. And that scientist is unsure. They haven't met you. Obviously they want the their science to, to,

00:36:13.17
Lizzie
be well represented and told in the best way and that they've got things to think about and we're doing tagging work or whatever it may be and then by the end of the day they're pumped they've loved the experience they feel heard they feel seen they've got all the information in that they needed and we told that in a really engaging way that to me honestly sets my heart on fire.

00:36:38.17
Lizzie
I love it. And when I get messages from said scientists who then watch the sequence and they go, i love that. You told my science correctly. um That's now potentially going to reach, you know, hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of viewers.

00:36:52.99
Lizzie
Well, it's brilliant. That to me is, yeah, i do that all day long if I could.

00:36:54.49
Aaron
yeah yeah

00:36:56.52
Seth Macey
Yeah.

00:36:57.11
Aaron
yeah

00:36:57.27
Seth Macey
Worst case too, you've made one person feel incredibly good about what they're doing.

00:37:02.72
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:37:03.56
Aaron
yeah

00:37:03.65
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:37:03.77
Seth Macey
Right. um Question about pitching ideas to networks or of pitching projects. How do you find, what do you find is the best practice to get the, or what are some of the best ways to get the other side to say yes or to fund your project? In other words, have you found some commonalities in your pitches that have garnered success for you in in having a show launch or a series launch?

00:37:31.05
Lizzie
Yeah, really good question. i think before you even start to do the approach to anyone um it's really valuable to just to have a look what you're going in with so do you have all the necessary resources a being a good idea b being like a show real or example of your work like high level work that would match said production or project and then i guess

00:37:57.77
Seth Macey
Bye.

00:37:59.07
Lizzie
Yeah, so so before you've even spoken to them, you've kind of gone in with an arsenal of of things. Should they want your you know your CV, your footage, your idea? And you've done the work in terms of understanding what that would look like you're not just pitching and plucking a kind of a random idea that you thought would be cool but you've sorry reminder you're not just kind of plucking out an idea that you think would be cool and then pitching it without doing the due diligence and understanding what that looks like on the ground and and um doing that kind of logistical research which takes time like that pre-pitched

00:38:33.89
Lizzie
ah stage is really really important ah but then also understanding the landscape so you know a lot of people I find just kind of going cold saying and I've actually been pitched um on ideas I'm completely unaware of um which is always a bit of a surprise to me I'll chat to a production team and they're like yes someone pitched you and I'm like I had no idea but I guess, cool, I guess I'm doing something on penguins now.

00:38:57.35
Seth Macey
Amen.

00:38:59.44
Lizzie
Which is always great, I love penguins.

00:39:00.61
Aaron
Mm-hmm.

00:39:01.08
Lizzie
But it's having that kind of, maybe a softer approach where you chat to a production company and you say, hey, like, what kind of ideas are you looking for at the minute? this is This is what we specialize in or this is what we've got.

00:39:14.07
Lizzie
And knowing that it's a two-way thing, right? You've come in with the research, the access, that's a really big one. If you have if you do have special access, um to any location people stories whatever it may be that can really be your ticket to them getting a yes because they have to kind of go with you um to do that to make that happen so you know having that ownership is really important but yeah approaching them with that openness and honesty you know if they're not looking for a presenter-led show you'll get a no and you may take it as like a knock when actually it's just a symptom of the time or the production.

00:39:49.70
Aaron
Mm-hmm.

00:39:49.72
Seth Macey
Mm-hmm.

00:39:51.61
Lizzie
You know, you could take that same idea six months later when the landscape has changed and they may go, oh my gosh, where have you been? The other thing I'd say on that is never bin away your ideas. Always keep them in your back pocket because things do come full circle.

00:40:05.21
Lizzie
um It's a constantly changing industry. So I have about a thousand no's to everyone. Yes. And it's just part of it. if You know, if you've got that thick skin to get through it and then you kind of combine all those other things, then you'll be in a good place at least get in the room with them and find out what they want ideas worth.

00:40:23.53
Seth Macey
Yeah, it's such a

00:40:23.73
Aaron
was Was that thick skin ever thin? Does it get thicker?

00:40:29.06
Lizzie
I feel like it changes.

00:40:30.59
Aaron
Yeah.

00:40:30.80
Lizzie
It's malleable. There's moments of, I'm like, I'm skinless.

00:40:32.42
Aaron
Hmm.

00:40:36.42
Aaron
Yeah, that as I asked the question, it makes it makes sense.

00:40:36.57
Lizzie
Help me.

00:40:36.97
Seth Macey
Endless.

00:40:41.07
Aaron
when you're When you're new, you would think no's might hurt more. As you used to no's, they might become more easy to, but at the same time, you're new, so you might expect the no. If you're more seasoned and like, I've done this a thousand times and now they're saying no, maybe it opens up a new insecurity where it's like, huh.

00:40:56.29
Lizzie
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I think a lot of it is is as well down to timing. And, um you know, it might just be that programming is steering away from presenter-led stuff and they want more blue chip.

00:41:10.27
Lizzie
It might be, as is the case now, there's just less funding around for wildlife storytelling, which is heartbreaking because we need it now more than ever. But ah yeah, the industry's been kicked kind of hard at the minute, as has every creative industry, you know, following COVID and everything else.

00:41:24.94
Aaron
Yeah.

00:41:26.35
Lizzie
But yeah. yeah Yeah, you know, if you're if you're persistent, and you're able to kind of find out all these new and nuances about what's going on kind of around you, then you should be able to place your idea in the best place.

00:41:39.53
Aaron
You keep saying blue chip. Can you just explain what you mean by blue chip?

00:41:41.42
Lizzie
Sorry, yeah, sorry.

00:41:42.44
Aaron
Sure.

00:41:42.71
Lizzie
That's like a really crappy thing to do, to be like Blue Chip.

00:41:44.20
Aaron
Yeah. Yeah.

00:41:46.22
Lizzie
um So Blue Chip is, Blue Chip are the kind of big programs that aren't presenter-led.

00:41:46.81
Aaron
So humble.

00:41:53.01
Lizzie
So, you know, very high budgets, the Blue Planets, the Seven Worlds, things like that, that kind of usually narrated by the likes of David Attenborough, but much kind of higher level in pure natural history.

00:41:57.95
Aaron
Gotcha.

00:42:06.56
Aaron
Gotcha. Thank you.

00:42:07.79
Seth Macey
Rewinding a bit when you said it's much easier to get a yes to a project when you have access. I want to rewind here because there's a lot of people I bet were saying, well, what are some examples of access? Obviously that's going different for everybody, but what are some of your examples of access that gives you a competitive advantage?

00:42:24.41
Lizzie
o Yeah. I'll go back to the to the salmon farming project. You know, why I was in close contact with a couple up on Shetland, an incredible couple.

00:42:35.35
Lizzie
I just actually read one of their articles and was like so shocked that seals are being shot at salmon farms. So I just immediately called them on this number that was on their website and got chatting to them and built up a relationship with them and then was able to actually get out to Shetland to know exactly where this behavior was kind of happening.

00:42:54.59
Lizzie
um access to certain filmmakers who may be able to assist in helping them film that and put that together.

00:42:59.66
Aaron
Mm-hmm.

00:43:00.81
Lizzie
So um that was an example where I guess I kind of curated ah scenario where I had that access and perhaps somebody who just came in cold, like a random producer, wouldn't.

00:43:12.24
Lizzie
um

00:43:12.89
Seth Macey
So in that instance, the competitive advantage or the access was ah direct relationship.

00:43:17.91
Lizzie
Yeah, absolutely.

00:43:19.29
Seth Macey
Right.

00:43:19.31
Lizzie
Never underestimate that. Yeah, for sure. You know, there are some incredible people doing incredible things. And if if you have that connection and that that relationship with them, absolutely often that is what actually will allow you to to to make something happen.

00:43:35.36
Seth Macey
Mm-hmm.

00:43:35.46
Lizzie
um The other side of it is just developing your skills and the best what you can. And I know that sounds kind of generic, but what i found is now and again, my my career as a scientist or you know being able to also fly drones around wildlife and having that understanding has really helped in the process of then putting me in in a project or on a series because I have a purpose you know it goes beyond just telling that story it's being able to then help with tagging a blue whale and flying their snot bot or deploying a tag on a jaguar in the panter now so

00:44:08.99
Lizzie
Yeah, never again.

00:44:09.22
Aaron
wow

00:44:10.16
Lizzie
Sometimes you find yourself, you know, spending lots of money and time and investing in these skills and it feels a bit aimless.

00:44:14.69
Seth Macey
Right. So, yes, I guess just it's, it's, it seems like potentially a silly question.

00:44:17.53
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:44:22.01
Seth Macey
What is access? But I like spelling things out. So, I mean, in both of these examples, it was your relationship that you built. Now you're talking about, um, certifications and education that allows you to do certain things that other people can't.

00:44:35.63
Seth Macey
I feel like it could also be like if you have access to a specific location, maybe you live in a place that it's difficult to get to, et cetera.

00:44:39.23
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:44:42.24
Seth Macey
um I like mentioning this because I think it's important for creators and to to really sit down and think about it. Okay, what can I offer that other people don't have access to that's a really important thing to think about and ponder on because everybody has something and if they and if if you really don't then it's uh it's a good chance to get to work in one of those areas that we just described i think

00:44:58.96
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:45:06.68
Lizzie
Yeah, for sure.

00:45:09.12
Seth Macey
um and aaron also your question about this thick skin become thinner i feel like you are you naturally are forced to gain a great level of humility.

00:45:22.59
Lizzie
For sure.

00:45:23.91
Seth Macey
right

00:45:24.47
Lizzie
I love that.

00:45:24.56
Seth Macey
Because I remember just personally, you know when I was a lot less experienced, thinking, this idea is great.

00:45:24.73
Aaron
Yeah.

00:45:32.59
Seth Macey
Nobody has ever thought of this idea. I'm going to pitch it. And it's going to be an automatic yes, just like very egotistical. right And you get shot down a bunch of times. And you start thinking, huh,

00:45:44.90
Seth Macey
Maybe I'm not so like great. Maybe my ideas ah aren't as original as I think they are.

00:45:47.27
Lizzie
For sure.

00:45:51.33
Seth Macey
ah Not in the sense of like it was a bad idea, but just ah take it down a peg or two, buddy.

00:45:51.60
Lizzie
so show

00:45:57.80
Seth Macey
Right?

00:45:58.53
Aaron
Mm-hmm.

00:45:58.61
Lizzie
For sure. yeah I can't even tell you the number of times I've been humbled and yeah in the field or yeah it could be in so many different ways.

00:46:03.76
Seth Macey
Yeah.

00:46:07.81
Lizzie
And having that humility is great. I actually find in times of absolute chaos and when things go awfully wrong, that's when I find myself just like laughing with the crew or just like in hysterics, just like, of course.

00:46:21.89
Seth Macey
Yeah. Yeah. you getting You get humbled when you need to.

00:46:23.86
Lizzie
It's so true.

00:46:26.41
Seth Macey
That's my interpretation of how the universe seems to work.

00:46:27.12
Lizzie
he

00:46:29.88
Seth Macey
It's like things are going too well. Maybe this is like cynical, but sometimes I have these moments where things are working so well and I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop.

00:46:32.07
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:46:32.33
Aaron
Yeah.

00:46:34.61
Lizzie
No, but...

00:46:38.38
Seth Macey
What's it going to be?

00:46:39.48
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:46:39.50
Seth Macey
Right?

00:46:40.00
Aaron
Yeah.

00:46:40.76
Lizzie
But actually...

00:46:41.11
Aaron
It's a, oh, go ahead.

00:46:42.75
Lizzie
Sorry, Aaron. I was just very quickly just going to say, I've actually found that with, perhaps with age, I don't know what it is, but you realise that you, you know, that self-importance disappears.

00:46:43.56
Aaron
No, go ahead.

00:46:52.98
Lizzie
And I feel like it really gives you clarity the further you go with that. You know, the more humility you have and the more grounded you are in that process. You know, I feel more myself and like I'm able to have that awareness.

00:47:05.17
Lizzie
Like, of course, like, I don't know, that self-importance that you at a young age disappears, I feel.

00:47:10.15
Seth Macey
Yeah.

00:47:10.33
Aaron
Yeah, it's it's true. i was I was just...

00:47:12.68
Seth Macey
Well, then the project becomes bigger, right? than Than you.

00:47:17.84
Lizzie
It always is.

00:47:18.00
Seth Macey
by and It always is, but just I feel like that gap widens probably.

00:47:22.04
Lizzie
For sure.

00:47:24.16
Aaron
Can I talk now, Seth?

00:47:25.21
Seth Macey
No, you can't.

00:47:25.23
Lizzie
Sorry, Aaron.

00:47:25.69
Aaron
And Lizzie?

00:47:25.91
Lizzie
Sorry. Sorry.

00:47:26.90
Aaron
Lizzie and Seth, can I talk now?

00:47:28.44
Seth Macey
No, you're fired.

00:47:30.28
Lizzie
Oh, man.

00:47:31.38
Aaron
I was just going to say that it's... In the creative field, it's not...

00:47:35.65
Seth Macey
Okay.

00:47:35.96
Lizzie
That's funny.

00:47:37.98
Aaron
it's not math in the sense of like, this is the correct answer. Like, and and the person goes, you figured that out, that's great. It's, you can be proud of something, you can think it's a plus work and the person that's viewing it or the client or whomever you're doing it for is like, I don't like this, this, this, this and this.

00:47:57.55
Aaron
And you're like, what? Oh, it hurts because like you thought it was great.

00:48:00.71
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:48:03.66
Aaron
It is part of your definition of yourself, your ego. Like i I made a great thing. And then this other person doesn't like this part of it or doesn't like your style or how long it ran or needs it shorter or needs it longer.

00:48:20.33
Aaron
Doesn't like the musical choice. It's all kind of personal and tied to your personal decisions. And it's an extension of you. It's not math where it's like black or white. Oh, I got that wrong.

00:48:31.27
Aaron
You're right. My bad. Let me fix it. it's It's like, no, like this was this was this was done.

00:48:33.82
Seth Macey
Thank

00:48:38.51
Aaron
This was my baby.

00:48:39.30
Lizzie
For sure.

00:48:39.51
Aaron
And now you're saying the three things you don't like, even if you like 20 things about it, the three things you don't like kind of stink.

00:48:48.85
Lizzie
Yeah. Yeah. I think that transition has been interesting between longer form storytelling online to now like quick as you say eight second reels three second reels which actually was really struggling with when it first came about i don't know about you guys but there's been so many different shifts and lots of people argue that it takes away the quality and the credibility of said image or whatever it may be but Yeah, um I guess being able to adapt, I'm totally gone off on a tangent and my brain's just gone.

00:49:25.31
Lizzie
Just looking at this tree. I actually saw a bird fly past the window and I just was like, is that it? Anyway, sorry, I got totally distracted this one.

00:49:33.67
Seth Macey
Hillary, if you're listening, our socials person, go back to where she said ADHD at the start episode and plop the bird going

00:49:38.35
Aaron
Yeah.

00:49:38.94
Lizzie
Just put it in there.

00:49:41.41
Aaron
And back to the white padded room.

00:49:41.45
Lizzie
Oh man.

00:49:43.09
Aaron
We're we're starting to see. we're We're connecting all the dots, Lizzie.

00:49:44.86
Lizzie
Oh man. Yeah, it's beautiful.

00:49:47.09
Seth Macey
somebody coming in with a syringe. She's no, no, later, later.

00:49:51.18
Aaron
Our first attempt, she was in a crowded conference room or a hotel lobby.

00:49:54.22
Seth Macey
It was green.

00:49:54.94
Aaron
there

00:49:54.88
Seth Macey
It was green screen, actually.

00:49:56.02
Lizzie
I'm like, guys, I'm in the field.

00:49:56.38
Aaron
They were kicking her out. She's like, I got to go.

00:49:59.20
Lizzie
Going down a motorway. um

00:50:02.01
Aaron
hotel's like, you can't be here. You're not a guest.

00:50:04.00
Seth Macey
Yeah.

00:50:04.27
Lizzie
Yeah, also,

00:50:04.92
Seth Macey
Our next episode is that none of this is true and she's just made this all up.

00:50:08.31
Lizzie
actually don't exist. I'm just an AI bot.

00:50:10.29
Seth Macey
Yes. That would be terrible.

00:50:11.45
Lizzie
Surprise! Can I very quickly just send an email while I'm speaking about ADHD? Because I have a call in three minutes and I just, I want to make sure that I delay it.

00:50:20.88
Seth Macey
Three minutes.

00:50:22.19
Lizzie
Yeah, but allam I'll just push it back a little bit if that's okay.

00:50:22.42
Seth Macey
Oh, yeah.

00:50:25.29
Seth Macey
Okay. we We won't keep you too much longer.

00:50:27.46
Lizzie
No, no, this is great. I just want to be polite.

00:50:31.00
Aaron
Oh, we feel prioritized.

00:50:31.13
Lizzie
and 15 minutes late. Is 15 minutes enough?

00:50:35.17
Seth Macey
It's

00:50:36.45
Aaron
That's good.

00:50:37.92
Lizzie
Thank you, Soz.

00:50:40.40
Seth Macey
like short enough that people hang around and not long enough that it's rude. So you're right in the window. You're right pocket.

00:50:46.51
Lizzie
That wasn't like a deliberate move. I just, I don't know. up Sorry.

00:50:51.41
Seth Macey
Sorry, I'm going to be late. I'm on this super important podcast that takes as long as it takes.

00:50:54.75
Aaron
Yeah. What a power move.

00:50:56.09
Lizzie
That's actually what I just wrote.

00:50:58.08
Aaron
It's pretty blue chip.

00:50:58.12
Lizzie
I wrote super...

00:50:59.36
Aaron
It's pretty blue chip. It's decent.

00:51:01.55
Seth Macey
That's great.

00:51:02.03
Aaron
It's decent.

00:51:03.17
Lizzie
What have come across as like the worst person in this podcast?

00:51:05.07
Aaron
No, no.

00:51:05.84
Seth Macey
No, we're just, we're just, you yeah.

00:51:07.19
Aaron
We tease.

00:51:08.76
Seth Macey
um Okay, well, since we have 15 minutes, can we get into some, like, more, like, you want to go wildlife?

00:51:12.57
Lizzie
Wilder.

00:51:16.56
Lizzie
I don't I can talk about whatever you like.

00:51:18.18
Seth Macey
Okay, okay. um I'm going steer the direction this way. ah

00:51:22.28
Lizzie
Sure.

00:51:22.37
Seth Macey
ah you what was the What was the phrase you used? Checkered life? Your past checkered life? Is that what you used?

00:51:27.59
Lizzie
Yeah, I mean, I haven't been out on the streets, you know, and in prison.

00:51:31.10
Seth Macey
Yeah, this is where she shows us her prison tattoos and her arm.

00:51:33.78
Aaron
Yeah.

00:51:34.06
Seth Macey
um

00:51:34.94
Aaron
Just above that.

00:51:35.83
Lizzie
why I'm wearing a jacket.

00:51:37.21
Seth Macey
My question was going to be,

00:51:37.39
Aaron
No.

00:51:40.34
Seth Macey
um

00:51:42.92
Lizzie
What's up with that?

00:51:42.94
Seth Macey
has there ever been a time where you've felt like completely lost or things have just gone the opposite direction of how they should be going in your mind?

00:51:53.94
Seth Macey
And how did you course correct?

00:52:00.59
Lizzie
Hmm.

00:52:03.50
Lizzie
That's such a good question. Completely lost.

00:52:06.59
Seth Macey
Well, maybe you've never been completely lost. I don't know. I feel like everybody has kind of had a tough, real tough moment, like close to or at rock bottom.

00:52:15.21
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:52:15.95
Seth Macey
And it's kind of been the necessary evil to um to create character growth or to send us on a certain trajectory in life. I'm just curious if you've ever had a real big moment of adversity or just like, man, this is terrible.

00:52:33.54
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:52:35.04
Seth Macey
And B, if you were comfortable sharing it. If not, no worries.

00:52:38.73
Lizzie
Yeah. um I would say that has shown up in my life in not so much as like one dramatic event, but as themes, if you like.

00:52:53.17
Aaron
Mm-hmm.

00:52:53.27
Seth Macey
Okay.

00:52:54.10
Lizzie
And I don't, like I said, I'm quite a private person in terms of like what my childhood looked like and bringing things.

00:52:57.92
Seth Macey
Right.

00:53:01.11
Lizzie
But, you know, ah at some point that became a lot more, yeah, it became a lot more stable and was was wonderful. But there's been themes of perhaps instability and things that I look back on now and go, that's where I get my resilience, my thick skin.

00:53:21.07
Lizzie
That's where I'm constantly pushing for more or perhaps have been driven by things that I feel that I haven't had growing up.

00:53:30.05
Seth Macey
Right.

00:53:30.88
Lizzie
Um, and so, yeah, I guess there hasn't been at one rock bottom moment, but I definitely have felt themes and, and kind of consistent messaging.

00:53:41.70
Lizzie
And that changes, I think also with age as well, right? Those challenges in my late teens then turned into something else when I was in my twenties and now my early thirties, I find myself

00:53:50.04
Aaron
Mm-hmm.

00:53:53.48
Lizzie
you know, going into into new challenges and we talked about the balance and what that kind of looks like and sacrifice. And I definitely feel, and I've always felt this like running out of time feeling, always, which is a weird one.

00:54:06.26
Seth Macey
Ah, like you're racing against the clock, huh?

00:54:08.88
Lizzie
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:54:09.57
Seth Macey
i can' relates I can relate. I can relate. um Well, let me let me restructure this question in a more acute way. So like when things are going wrong, like you're in a rut or just things are going wrong on a project or you just kind of feel out of your funk, how are you best?

00:54:22.47
Seth Macey
How are you not? How are you avoiding losing sight of your why? I know you've said that a couple times.

00:54:26.82
Lizzie
Yeah, yeah, it's a great question.

00:54:26.84
Seth Macey
Your why?

00:54:29.98
Lizzie
And it sounds kind of obvious, but I will remove myself from what is the ah rat race of the industry and just literally go off grid for a few days or go spend time and the outdoors.

00:54:44.15
Lizzie
Literally, it is that every time for me. I find that I'm reinvigorated. I'm more focused. I'm more myself. It's just always been something that I fall back on. And selfishly, you know, I guess that's something that you know, maybe actually as I'm talking now and saying out loud, but that has been quite self-motivated um as well, because I think it just puts life into perspective.

00:55:06.09
Lizzie
And we so easily get caught up in... all the daily problems and issues that we have and then the the bigger kind of responsibilities that we have and what that looks like. But it always comes down to, I guess, sitting on a coast and listening to oyster catches go by and feeling at home or, you know, having a storm roll through and I'm up in the mountains and I'm bivvying and just reminded of like what it's all about.

00:55:33.39
Lizzie
I think that's, sounds obvious, but it is always that for me.

00:55:37.17
Aaron
No, it's amazing what a little bit of sunshine and smelling some trees can do and just slowing down.

00:55:41.45
Seth Macey
Thank

00:55:42.45
Lizzie
Yeah. 100%. Yeah.

00:55:46.50
Aaron
Also, i I have this, I was just having this conversation spending time with wildlife over the last five years and you see some, you see some crazy shit. You see, you see a hawk rip apart a bunny in four seconds and you're like, fuck my life's good.

00:55:59.91
Lizzie
Yes. Yeah.

00:56:05.63
Lizzie
Yes. 100%.

00:56:06.35
Aaron
No matter what, no matter what.

00:56:07.40
Lizzie
ah to percent

00:56:09.29
Aaron
And there's this scene in my head that is burned into my head. that when things are tough, I go, I go like right to that. And I'm like, least I'm not a bunny.

00:56:19.98
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:56:20.17
Aaron
Like, like the day to day of that is not what I have to deal with. Right. And it's like, i I think perspective is huge and being in nature and slowing down, but seeing this, this war that's poetically happening around you,

00:56:29.59
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:56:33.01
Seth Macey
Bye.

00:56:35.78
Lizzie
Mm.

00:56:38.89
Aaron
is all the education and therapy you need to realize like seth what's your phrase that you say is it worse than because because of your buddy or

00:56:49.48
Seth Macey
Oh, yeah, my buddy was his grandfather. Great grandfather was a World War II pilot on the German side. um

00:56:59.73
Lizzie
Oops.

00:56:59.89
Aaron
you

00:57:00.42
Seth Macey
But nevertheless, he, yeah I guess he's 20 years old, plane crashed in the ocean on fire.

00:57:00.81
Lizzie
Oopsie.

00:57:08.35
Seth Macey
um

00:57:08.43
Lizzie
Wow.

00:57:09.41
Seth Macey
You know, shark infested waters, I guess. So all that gnarly stuff. And the fact that he survived was the reason I was having this conversation with my friend. So I call it the the the fighter plane test or the fighter plane threshold.

00:57:19.01
Lizzie
Wow.

00:57:24.23
Lizzie
Amazing.

00:57:25.08
Seth Macey
I guess the fighter plane, what would the fighter plane Messerschmitt? I don't know. So history buffs tell me.

00:57:28.53
Aaron
don't know.

00:57:29.56
Seth Macey
But if if the problem I'm having is worse than that, then it's a significant problem.

00:57:33.58
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:57:34.48
Seth Macey
If my my problem is not worse than being in shark infested waters with a plane on fire at age 20 as people are shooting at me, then I'm

00:57:42.43
Aaron
Yeah.

00:57:43.33
Seth Macey
i'm I'm not trying to discredit people people's problems.

00:57:43.63
Lizzie
ah and

00:57:46.40
Seth Macey
I'm just saying in a general sense, you can really bring yourself back to...

00:57:48.96
Lizzie
Totally, totally.

00:57:50.55
Seth Macey
Yeah.

00:57:50.82
Aaron
Yeah.

00:57:51.18
Lizzie
Can I just say...

00:57:51.40
Aaron
or Or a bunny just munching on some.

00:57:53.40
Lizzie
Oh, just a bunny. Can I just say, we we can't say, as in we don't say, shark and festered waters anymore, Seth. Sorry.

00:57:59.27
Seth Macey
I know.

00:57:59.37
Lizzie
to

00:57:59.52
Aaron
oh Yeah.

00:58:00.11
Seth Macey
It's a turn of phrase. I'm not trying to make people scared of sharks.

00:58:01.57
Lizzie
Come on. Get with it.

00:58:04.57
Seth Macey
Salt water. It tell it's makes the story more picturesque, colorful.

00:58:07.55
Lizzie
No. No. But, okay.

00:58:10.35
Seth Macey
What would you rather me say? For storytelling purposes to make it.

00:58:12.89
Lizzie
With sharks. With sharks in the water where they belong.

00:58:15.60
Seth Macey
ah Oh, the sharks in the water where they belong.

00:58:17.17
Aaron
like Yeah.

00:58:18.79
Lizzie
but Yeah, it doesn't have the same ring to it, does it?

00:58:21.16
Seth Macey
Doesn't.

00:58:21.98
Aaron
Sounds like it was a...

00:58:21.98
Seth Macey
Doesn't.

00:58:22.15
Lizzie
But...

00:58:22.40
Seth Macey
understand. I understand your concern.

00:58:23.07
Aaron
ah

00:58:24.44
Seth Macey
We're not trying to demonize sharks. I understand.

00:58:26.17
Aaron
It sounds like the water was plain and human infested. Actually. Those

00:58:30.19
Lizzie
Yes, Aaron.

00:58:30.31
Seth Macey
It was, yeah, it was contaminated with metal.

00:58:33.09
Aaron
poor sharks.

00:58:33.09
Seth Macey
oh

00:58:33.29
Lizzie
Yeah.

00:58:36.09
Seth Macey
Let me ask you this, Lizzie, because I know you got to run. Why is it important to do hard things and to push?

00:58:42.84
Seth Macey
For you.

00:58:43.91
Lizzie
For me, oh, such a good question on so many different levels. I think, you know, to your point about comparing with that plane in the sea, we've got so good at just being comfortable.

00:58:58.30
Aaron
Mm-hmm.

00:58:58.75
Lizzie
And I think that the lifestyle that we live and the way we consume information in this day and age is kind of guiding us away from what is what it's all about.

00:59:10.04
Lizzie
And if you can find those moments of being able to push yourself, and it doesn't have to be you know going into a rainforest to film Jaguars for two hours in Costa Rica.

00:59:20.88
Lizzie
It can be just climbing a local summit or getting in the sea once a day, whatever it may be. if you can find those ways to open your, your way of thinking and your perspective, I think there's just so many benefits mentally, physically, how you build relationships with others.

00:59:40.48
Lizzie
Perspective. We've talked about that quite a lot, but at the end of the day, you know, we have these very small windows on this planet and, um,

00:59:51.62
Lizzie
Yeah, it's an opportunity. It's an opportunity to grab life in whatever way you can. And I would say that many of us are feeling that kind of confusion about who we are and what our roles are on this planet.

00:59:59.30
Seth Macey
Thank you.

01:00:06.45
Lizzie
But we do have, and it sounds cheesy, but we literally are here for that short amount of time in evolutionary sense. So live it, you know grab it in every way you can. Be big, be bold. um Yeah, it can only be a good thing if you push yourself and take those risks and be okay with falling down and having that kind of oops moment and taking that as a as a positive and a learning instead of a critical thing.

01:00:32.99
Lizzie
um Yeah.

01:00:35.61
Seth Macey
Awesome.

01:00:36.46
Aaron
Love that.

01:00:36.91
Seth Macey
Well, I have, okay.

01:00:37.64
Aaron
Seth, I have one more question, if I could. If you don't mind, Lizzie.

01:00:41.18
Lizzie
Please, yeah.

01:00:42.58
Aaron
we did You did say that the general theme is growing up instability. Can you also say that

01:00:48.19
Lizzie
Mm-hmm.

01:00:50.22
Aaron
being able to persevere that has become a superpower as well. I think there's two kinds of people that can kind of look at that thing and make it the, take the victim mentality. And that's the reasons why that I'm not going to do this or that or whatever.

01:01:05.53
Aaron
And keep going back. Or, i mean, I see a person that does a lot of stuff that I don't know that I'd be comfortable necessarily doing the travel, the sleepless nights, the here to there pitching ideas, getting a thousand nose to everyone.

01:01:15.54
Seth Macey
Thank you.

01:01:22.40
Aaron
Is that your superpower as well?

01:01:24.30
Lizzie
For sure, yeah. and i'm And in that sense, I guess I'm grateful for that. um That maybe early life instability and... and confusion about what it all means has maybe made me want to contribute or have value and give something back and you know I guess there's two ways of looking at it right you can see that as like that's something you probably need to go with therapy for and work on that or it's it's having that kind of as you say that um seeing that as a as a real positive and as a learning point

01:01:42.20
Aaron
Mm-mm.

01:01:47.62
Seth Macey
Thank you.

01:01:55.24
Lizzie
You know, the one thing that I i hear from friends and things is, oh, you're so resilient. You're always so driven. How do you have that motivation? and yeah, I just I'd say a lot of that has come to the fact that, you know, I wasn't handed everything. I didn't grow up in a household that even followed the same career path. I had the same kind of passions. But luckily for me, you know, I had parents and family that were super supportive and backed me up and had really good values and and and you know wanted to see me thrive in that way so yeah absolutely it's um yes my biggest superpower I'd say

01:02:33.90
Seth Macey
Awesome.

01:02:33.99
Aaron
Thank you.

01:02:34.69
Seth Macey
and Well, I had a ton more questions. We'll have to have you in for part two, maybe at a different time. If you're game for it, uh, I hate having stuff on my list that I didn't get through.

01:02:40.40
Lizzie
I'd love that love that yeah

01:02:45.74
Seth Macey
It's bothering the OC small OCD part of me that needs a clean question sheet.

01:02:48.65
Aaron
Yeah.

01:02:50.36
Seth Macey
Um, um

01:02:50.97
Lizzie
Yeah, and also we didn't talk about wildlife much, which I'm surprised by, but a great chat, nevertheless.

01:02:51.43
Aaron
Yeah.

01:02:54.35
Aaron
Well, it's not.

01:02:56.27
Seth Macey
I hope you don't mind. I mean, you talk about it a lot.

01:02:57.85
Lizzie
No.

01:02:58.35
Seth Macey
Our kind of show is getting into the headspace of creators, which I think we did successfully today.

01:03:00.13
Aaron
Hmm.

01:03:02.67
Seth Macey
i think you were very forthright in sharing how you operate in a one hour period.

01:03:03.41
Lizzie
Yeah.

01:03:07.24
Lizzie
No, I appreciate that.

01:03:08.59
Seth Macey
I'm sure we could have kept going, but we don't want to have to have you send another email.

01:03:10.33
Aaron
Yeah.

01:03:12.17
Seth Macey
So I hope you don't mind that it was lacking a little bit of wildlife.

01:03:12.69
Aaron
Yeah. Yeah. There's no, there's no real call.

01:03:15.64
Lizzie
No.

01:03:17.07
Aaron
She's just getting outside time from her padded room. It's it's recess.

01:03:21.58
Lizzie
Yeah, the guards outside tapping on my window.

01:03:23.77
Aaron
Yeah.

01:03:24.25
Lizzie
Time's up.

01:03:24.51
Aaron
Yeah.

01:03:24.77
Seth Macey
Yeah.

01:03:25.13
Aaron
and There's no computer there. She wasn't emailing anyone.

01:03:27.59
Lizzie
Time's up, buddy.

01:03:28.97
Aaron
Yeah.

01:03:29.17
Lizzie
I just love that the main outcome of, like, what are going to call this video? Like, time in the asylum or asylum time?

01:03:34.23
Seth Macey
a

01:03:35.74
Aaron
Lizzie is.

01:03:35.77
Seth Macey
Lizzie Daly exclusive from, ah what would it be called?

01:03:38.24
Lizzie
Jail.

01:03:40.32
Seth Macey
Sanitarium?

01:03:41.39
Lizzie
Checkered paths and white rooms.

01:03:41.50
Aaron
Yeah.

01:03:43.84
Seth Macey
Yes.

01:03:44.63
Aaron
What a title we can.

01:03:45.82
Seth Macey
Yeah, there you go.

01:03:46.37
Aaron
Yeah.

01:03:47.29
Seth Macey
There you go.

01:03:47.36
Aaron
It's going to

01:03:47.49
Lizzie
That's career over. Wow, it was great while it lasted.

01:03:50.66
Seth Macey
Oh, you'll be fine. You'll get more views maybe.

01:03:52.08
Aaron
be good.

01:03:52.42
Lizzie
You're amazing. yeah i

01:03:53.66
Seth Macey
um

01:03:53.92
Aaron
Yeah. Yeah.

01:03:54.75
Seth Macey
So what's ah what's your new podcast called? Where can people check it out? Of course, all the links to your work will be in the episode description. so everybody check those out. But just shout out your new podcast.

01:04:04.51
Lizzie
Yeah, thank you for for including that. Yeah, it's called That's Just Wild. It's between myself and the wonderful Sarah Roberts and Steve Backshall. And we all just nerd out about wildlife. We have different themes every week, spiky, bold, party animals. And we just literally talk about cool science, new behaviors, evolutionary theories. It's just 45 minutes of wildlife chaos.

01:04:29.87
Lizzie
So please do listen.

01:04:30.04
Seth Macey
All right. Well, we'll leave that in the episode description as well for people to check out.

01:04:31.13
Lizzie
Yeah.

01:04:34.98
Lizzie
Guys, it's been amazing. Thank you.

01:04:36.46
Aaron
Yeah. Thank you.

01:04:36.64
Seth Macey
All right. See later, guys.