In this episode, I spoke with Erin Galloway about her career journey and the habits that she had to continually evolve as life changed for her. Although she had been fortunate enough to create and maintain good habits growing up, she knew she needed to keep developing different habits to keep learning, growing and moving forward. She shares some of her most impactful tips on how to create healthy habits for your career, especially when you are searching for a new job!
In this episode you will specifically learn how to…
More about Erin Galloway…
With a Master’s degree in Human Development and Family Studies, and time at The Ohio State University and Johns Hopkins University under her belt, her entire career has focused on behavior change and how small choices add up to have a big impact. She has been supporting families, communities, and schools in creating lifestyle changes and building healthy environments that lead to long-term, multi-generational wellbeing.
Erin also managed a high-achieving career while being fiercely independent and being a present single parent to her daughter. All of these decisions have come with LOTS of messiness that "life" can sometimes throw at us.
She applauds women who don't try to "do it all" and coaches entrepreneurs and parents on how to create habits, systems, and structures that keep us consistent through times of crisis and times of coasting.
How to connect with Erin…
Link for Erin’s books…
I’m Karen Weeks, the CEO & Chief Shine Officer (aka transformation coach) at KDW Coaching, the host of the Shine at Work podcast, award winning culture leader (currently leading the People team at Ordergroove), a speaker and published author. My purpose is to help career-oriented humans get unstuck so they can shine bright in business and in life. And I know how that feels, I navigated a career from theatre & the arts to HR (with lots of twists and turns there) to expanding my career into coaching as well. I live in NYC with my husband and furry babies!
Welcome to the Shine at Work Podcast! On this show, your co-hosts Karen and Dan will shine a light on your job search so you can land a role that lets you flex your strengths and progress your career in an environment you actually look forward to working in each day. From creating a stand-out resume, to confidently negotiating your salary, to finding your footing as a new manager, you can expect to hear actionable advice to help you shine your brightest in your role.
Karen D. Weeks is the CEO and Chief Career Coach of Shine at Work Coaching. She has over twenty years of HR experience, including as CPO at Ordergroove.
Dan Carr is a Shine at Work Career Coach with over a decade of recruiting experience helping high-growth startups expand with top talent.
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In this episode, I spoke with Erin Galloway about her career journey and the habits that she had to continually evolve as life changed for her. Although she had been fortunate enough to create and maintain good habits growing up, she knew she needed to keep developing different habits to keep learning, growing and moving forward. She shares some of her most impactful tips on how to create healthy habits for your career, especially when you are searching for a new job!
In this episode you will specifically learn how to…
More about Erin Galloway…
With a Master’s degree in Human Development and Family Studies, and time at The Ohio State University and Johns Hopkins University under her belt, her entire career has focused on behavior change and how small choices add up to have a big impact. She has been supporting families, communities, and schools in creating lifestyle changes and building healthy environments that lead to long-term, multi-generational wellbeing.
Erin also managed a high-achieving career while being fiercely independent and being a present single parent to her daughter. All of these decisions have come with LOTS of messiness that "life" can sometimes throw at us.
She applauds women who don't try to "do it all" and coaches entrepreneurs and parents on how to create habits, systems, and structures that keep us consistent through times of crisis and times of coasting.
How to connect with Erin…
Link for Erin’s books…
I’m Karen Weeks, the CEO & Chief Shine Officer (aka transformation coach) at KDW Coaching, the host of the Shine at Work podcast, award winning culture leader (currently leading the People team at Ordergroove), a speaker and published author. My purpose is to help career-oriented humans get unstuck so they can shine bright in business and in life. And I know how that feels, I navigated a career from theatre & the arts to HR (with lots of twists and turns there) to expanding my career into coaching as well. I live in NYC with my husband and furry babies!
Welcome to the Shine at Work Podcast! On this show, your co-hosts Karen and Dan will shine a light on your job search so you can land a role that lets you flex your strengths and progress your career in an environment you actually look forward to working in each day. From creating a stand-out resume, to confidently negotiating your salary, to finding your footing as a new manager, you can expect to hear actionable advice to help you shine your brightest in your role.
Karen D. Weeks is the CEO and Chief Career Coach of Shine at Work Coaching. She has over twenty years of HR experience, including as CPO at Ordergroove.
Dan Carr is a Shine at Work Career Coach with over a decade of recruiting experience helping high-growth startups expand with top talent.
Connect with Us!
Hello my friends welcome to the shine at work podcast. I'm your host Karen weeks. As a transformation career coach and culture and people leader. My goal is to help career oriented humans get unstuck, so that they can shine brighter in business and in life. I believe that you deserve a career that lights you up. Because spoiler alert, it also impacts how bright you shine in your life. This season. Each week, we will focus on a key skill that you need to shine at work, and inspirational stories on ways to navigate your career. Because I know what it feels like when your light is dim. I made a career change from theater to HR, and now expanded to coaching. And at times in my life, I had to take a look deep inside to see what was most important, what made me shine bright, and make adjustments along the way. It's possible. I did it, my guest did it and I help others do it every day. I hope you walk away from each episode not just inspired, but with some actionable advice. And I hope that you find it so valuable that you subscribe to the podcast, leave a review and tell your friends because we all deserve to shine bright in our lives specifically at work. Okay, let's jump in into this week's episode. Before we start today's episode, let me ask you a question. How are those New Year's resolutions going? If you're like me, and lots of other people, I know by the way, you start the year off strong in January with a great plan to hit your goals. You hire the trainer, you sign up for the class, you start journaling, you get up early bookmark some job sites, all of the things that we think are going to take us to that place we want to be in the new year, then life starts to get in the way. You slip a little you get distracted, you miss one week, then you really start to miss some of those goals and you don't see the impact you wanted. And your motivation drops and drops and drops, which is natural, you're not seeing the impact because you aren't taking the steps to get there. I've been there. I've been there this year. And like I said, we are not alone. According to a psychological study, 64% of people abandon their resolutions after just one month. Personally, I have not gotten on the peloton as much as I wanted to. It's not because I don't want to I love doing it. But something isn't clicking, I've got a blocker, and I can't figure out what that is. So I actually work with my own wellness coach to figure out what is blocking me from hitting that goal. So you can do the same, you could also be part of that 36% That actually hit their goals. And I can be that person to help you. I work with people one on one to help them get unstuck and shine bright in their career in life. My unstuck framework helps people specifically unshackle yourself from your current mindset, ie let go the past and remove labels. Nail your new career target, identify where you want to go next, slay your skills. In other words, identifying your transferable skills. Talk to everyone. This is just networking one on one stuff that we'll go through so that you feel more comfortable reaching out to people, then we're going to unlock your new brand. So how do we position yourself through your resume through LinkedIn through telling your story for the thing that you're trying to achieve? Then you're going to crush your interviews, which is just a bunch of prep practice, and working through what kind of questions you might get and how to talk through some of the gaps that you might have. So that you can kick butt in your career, you're going to land the gig and set yourself up for success. So do you want to get unstuck sound like something that you might need a little help with. That's why I'm here. And the amazing thing is that it's not just about your career, it's actually about living the life that you want to live that's right for you in this moment. That's what this is all about. That by working together, you'll gain the tools that you need the support, you need the confidence, you need to identify the right career path, and land a new job to shine bright both at work and in life. So if all this sounds good, and you're sitting there going, oh my gosh, I don't want to be part of the two thirds that doesn't hit their goals so soon in their career. You can email me directly at Karen at Karen de weeks.com. Or use any of the links in the podcast to connect with me through my website, on my Instagram or through LinkedIn. Let's connect to help you achieve your goals this year and shine network. Now on to our regularly scheduled programming. Hi, everyone, I am so excited to be here with Aaron today. I actually just recently I met Aaron and was immediately blown away both by her story, but also about the advice that she has about creating healthy habits and really helping us hit success through that. I know the old adage of like you have to do one pushup to get to 25 Push Ups. But especially in our job searches and in our careers. It's very hard to create habits that are sustainable. And it's very easy to be like oh, that didn't work and we walk away. So I'm very excited to have Aaron here to share her advice. Welcome, Erin. Thank you so much for having me. I'm thrilled to be here. I am so excited. So as I mentioned, first, I want to give you a chance to introduce yourself and share your story. So, so let's kind of rewind a little bit. And, you know, let's kind of talk about your career. So where did you start? And how did you end up where you are today? So my Erin Galloway, I currently refer to myself as a habit catalyst. And quite honestly, that has really been my entire life. I thankfully, you know, had good habits and systems even when I was a kid. Oh, when I went off to college, you know, I always worked. And so at some point in time, I like to tell this story, because I think it sort of sets the groundwork for how my career trajectory went, I had an opportunity to walk into the dean's office and say to him, like, Hey, I'd like to work for you. And the office said, he doesn't work. And I was like, Okay, great. I'd like to set an appointment. Oh, well, alright, your persist. And I walked in there and after my appointment, and he said, Well, I don't usually work with undergrads. But I have these three projects, and which one would you be? And I listened to all of them. And I said, Well, which one do you think is the most challenging? And he one particular opportunity? And I said, great, I'd like that one. He honestly changed my complete critique a career paths that I never could have perceived coming to me without that one conversation. Yeah. He ended up being my mentor, my academic advisor in graduate school, I ended up working for him at Ohio State University, and work in moving with him to Baltimore, Maryland, I work at Johns Hopkins University, worked together for many decades. But what I learned in that is to a not be scared to ask for it, you want mm. B, he trained me to be a generalist. So I learned very quickly that I was someone who could transition between track tasks, I could take on challenges. I was someone even in my teenage years that was willing to walk into a group of adults, you know, give a certain level of leadership and direction, I was comfortable in spaces in which I was the minority instead of being the majority. And with every experience where I was half the time scared out of my mind. I always had someone to trust to say, Well, you wouldn't put me here if you didn't think I could succeed. Mm hmm. Yes. I am loving about the conversations were specific, specifically having this year on the podcast is that so much of this actually ties together? So we talk about imposter syndrome. And so you know, why am I why am I in the room with all these people? We talk about confidence building and saying yes to things and finding mentors. And all of the conversations have all overlapped, even if the theme of the episode is one thing, because I think it's a shared experience a lot of us go through as we're navigating our careers. Yes, it is. It isn't. It's, there's so much faith in the process. And but you know, after he decided to leave and move to a completely different coast, and I knew my life would not be able to pick up as fast that time. You know, I had to find a new path. And because of my ability to take leads, and land on my feet over and over again, you know, I took a lead to a completely different type of company, I moved to corporate America, I moved in a position that was actually a downgrade in order to learn more, I became an executive assistant, which I'd never done before. But I knew in a real estate industry, I was not familiar with the learn something new is to be the top person's right hand person. So I took the, you know, downgrade and finances sort of downgrade and title, and said, Let's learn something new. And that sort of set a plan for the next. I'll call it decade. And then now I'm at a place where I am doing more independent consulting, because that's what life has taken me between my daughter, my mother being ill, you know, it really was something that I said, Okay, let's try to see if I can use these skills that I gained over the years. Yeah. Here's some more independent work. Yeah. Oh, that's amazing. Well, and I love what you said about like finding ways to learn in a new space or in a new career, and acknowledging what that might have to look like both. You know, I just talked to somebody the other day that I'm working with on their career search around helping them find the opportunities to say what's important to be moving forward. And what are some non negotiable? So can I take a step back in finances? Can I am I okay? Taking a step back in title because it's actually going to then help me get the titles over here that are going to be more important moving forward. So all of those things, I think, to be purposeful in your career, you need to look at all of the aspects and do what's right, right. Like, I'm not saying, you know, not be able to afford to pay your bed, but like, do what's right when you're thinking about what goal Am I trying to achieve? Absolutely. And what's every unique opportunity, I definitely learned more than I thought I would. One of my favorite moments that my past boss toss toss me into, is he said, Hey, you know, we're thinking about building this school. And I was like, Okay, I'm interested. And he's like, just look at these meetings, just just attend them represent me see what happens. And as we sat there, he was like, oh, okay, what I didn't tell you was I need a representative. And then I actually, like, helped design and build the school. And I was like, Oh, I don't know anything about that. So I just found the smartest person at the table with a fraction documents. And I said, Listen, I need to show I need you to show me what's a door. And what's a window? Oh, okay. That's where we're starting with you. And I'm like, yep. But if the end, I ended up being the last person standing. And in fact, I walked the halls of the construction site with high heels, nine months pregnant. And oh, work, and I will never take those opportunities back. I mean, those are transfer skills of resiliency, and learn and curiosity with people that were on a much higher level than me. Yes. But I just walked in inquisitive and curious, and then just was patient to see what would come out of it. Yeah. Oh, that's great. I love it. Well, and I think that, you know, learner mindset, growth, mindset, curiosity, like whatever phrase you want to use. But I think that, I think it's important, honestly, in all areas of our life, but especially as we're navigating our career, being open to different experiences being open to things that might make us a little uncomfortable, but we're going to learn from it, either, we're going to learn that we don't like it, and that's okay, too. Or we're going to learn that we love it. And we can lean into something that we never would have experienced or expected. Absolutely, there were so many times where my family members or colleagues were like, What in the world? Like, how is this possible? And, you know, I would say, I would never take it all back, I'm very well for the set of life skills that it all of that taught me. The flip side, I'm like, there's always right, the grass is greener, being trained as a generalist is a tricky spot, when you are looking for a career change, because you have so many skills that, you know, you start to look into, Oh, I could do that opportunity. That opportunity. And people are really, as you go to get hired, right, people are really suspicious of can you really do all that like? Like the right package? Yes. And so they're, you know, there are some pros and cons of the track I've had, but, you know, on the grand scheme of life, and is sort of what I think is really interesting is that you took sort of that natural personality that you had as a kid, of, you know, being a little more discipline organized in the phrases you would use to describe yourself. And then you took all the experiences that you gained as a generalist in all those different roles. And now you've brought those together in your own business and coaching people help achieve their goals or their lives and build healthier habits. Absolutely, there, there is a reason I acknowledged that I got to be the chief of staff at a high level, high performing University in my early 30s, right that not everybody reaches that. Um, and so you know, me being very disciplined, being very repetitive, being willing to you know, not have burnout you know, finding that balance and I did I achieve that level as a single mom, right? So, there's, there's things that you have to look inside yourself to say what is a natural fit? And what can I do on the repeat that will not just bring me joy because honestly, I'm okay with work being not always joyful. I'm willing to challenge and uncomfortable but what, what can you do so that way your energy balance is okay for the things that are uncomfortable and are challenging because it can't all be that way? Yes. Yes. Well, and I was literally talking to, ironically, my therapist this morning, about places of uncomfortability. There's two different reasons for That one is because it's uncomfortable for a reason, like, Danger Zone back out. But it's also because you're trying something new and pushing yourself to a place that might feel uncomfortable, but it's actually the thing that's gonna get you to the place you're trying to try to get achieve whatever your goals are. And there's a difference between the two. And part of it's good, uncomfortable this, and some of it's not. And that's okay. Like to know the difference. Absolutely, I think, especially as you are thinking about changing careers, or you're in the process that may have been, you know, thrown upon you, your own choice, you know, finding the the aspects of your day that are familiar, that you think about, right can naturally preserve your decision making and your energy for those other things that you're unfamiliar with. Yeah. So that, to me is were the habits of career change, or being in the first 90 days of a new business, right, that Gnostic into the career after that, or just in the search, you have to have aspects of your life that are on repeat, otherwise, you won't have that good self balance for the other new aspects that you're working on? Yeah, absolutely. Well, I'm glad you mentioned those first 90 days as well, because that's actually where you get to set the best practices, the disciplines, the behaviors that are going to set you up for success. And, and often when I work with folks to find a way to help them find a new job, we actually continue working together through some of those first 90 days because like, okay, great, you got it. But now you actually have to be successful in it, which I know you could be, but how can we help you do that? Absolutely. And not like, drive yourself to the ground? Yes. After preserve your energy in some way, shape, or form? Because otherwise, if you go too hard, your brain phase, and you're also trying to hide right, you're still playing your this on the current one and not leaving your mind open to what is new to learn in this new environment? Yes, yes, absolutely. We've sort of alluded to the work you do today with folks, habit catalysts, which I love that phrase, what? How are some ways that you help people now in your current practice? And then we'll talk about like, how you can take that into your job search, etc. But how do you help people with that today? You know, so for me, one aspect that a lot of people overlook is the potential patterns and what they do in their business are things that people do actions that people take on the repeat, they may just not put them in a particular order, or they may not see the patterns of their work. Or, for example, they may do, you know, some certain practices, for, you know, the way they read emails, or the way they do their journaling, or the way that they organize their papers and not realized, if they just shifted the order of the way that they did it, it could actually save them time. And so a lot of what I work with people on is they may have these, you know, big ideas, either it's a new idea that they have for their business, or they just realize they're feeling very overwhelmed. And they need look for those patterns. And so I'll just talk people through, honestly, it's a very verbal and relationship oriented start. Just talk me through right, talk me through what you do talk me through how you organize your day, how do you organize your decisions, and then I just happen to notice, and it's just something that has come naturally to me, of how to perhaps read put together a puzzle for people that they could do consistently. And so, you know, for example, you know, recently working with someone who is decided to make a new offer and her nutrition business, you know, she had a great idea. And I said, Okay, so you go into day one with the client, what do you do? And she started talking it through and I'm like, Okay, but what you're saying is you do this, and then you do this, and then you do that. So that way, you know, every single time you walk in with a client, here's the order of the action, take and the conversations you have, and you don't do it in a new way every single time you have a client. Oh, that is so smart, and scalable and more efficient, not because like we're trying to be cut things down, but also helps us also build confidence because if I know this is how I'm doing it every time. I have more confidence doing it that way every time. Absolutely. I think there's a really big misnomer about habits. You know, we are most of us are raised that habits come with some negative connotation. And I spend a lot of time with adults really working that perception of habits and then the other half of my time I spend it on kids talking through the positive aspects of habit. Don't have to break the cycles later. Both ages in the workday. Oh, that is so cool. It is interesting how Elon also sometimes habits. So it's interesting habits, when I think of it can be negative this sense of like, oh, it's like smoking and like over eating and like that's a habit I need to break. But then also sometimes I feel habits are put upon us because I'm supposed to. So I need to build a habit of healthy eating, I need to build a habit of going to the gym, because I'm supposed to and like all of the things and yeah, I know, it makes me feel better. But or like meditating or journaling or whatever the things that like, conceptually I get I'm supposed to be doing. But I'm only going to do it if I build a habit of it. Because otherwise I'm not going to do it, which also has more of a negative connotation to it. Yeah, absolutely. And most of the habit tools that are out there on the market that people try to use, quite frankly, I think are really overwhelming. There's, there's tools that say, okay, just create a list every day, right? If you just had a list, and I talked to people, I don't know about you, but I can't do a whole list anymore. That's not how I train myself that I accomplished these three to five things. I am still successful on my day. Because if you take three to five new times those out across seven days a week, and then you times across a month. I mean, that number is pretty impressive. Yeah. Why is that? Not okay. For me to really focus in on certain actions that I'm going to take repeated? And then be okay with that smaller number. Yes, yeah. giving ourselves the permission to get through the things that are most important or identify those things not have to do everything? Exactly. Yeah. So that is really, really helpful. And I can so relate to so much of it, as we think about it within our careers. Let's start first with sort of like the people that are doing their job searches right now, I know a lot of folks often will sign up with a coach just for the accountability of it, like in the motivation piece of it, how can they be building healthier habits in a job search to help them stay motivated and hit their goals? I really think, you know, I wish that people could be more aware of the potential burnout ahead of them. It tried to if you will swing the pendulum too far on a regular basis. Right. Now friends and colleagues who all of a sudden, out of the gates for eight, they spent all this time with free networking events, they do all search, right, they, they do all the LinkedIn and all of a sudden, three or five days into it, they're like, Ooh, I'm kind of tired. And then they have to like spend time re gaining that energy to pick it up the next week. You know, I really think that there's some simple tools that people can put into place, whether it be an Excel spreadsheet, or a particular notebook that you looking at an entire week, and you map it out in advance you to attend every free networking event, right? So I'm only going to attend to, right and if that if I filled out my to this week, then I go to to next week. Or I'm only going to message direct message people on LinkedIn, five, you know, five times in one week, and then hit that five times, then you list the same people you didn't get to the next week, right? Based out the work. I think not only does that avoid burnout, it also helps you reprioritize, who may or may not be the most important, that is great advice, right? Everybody could be that person every be the big one that you needed to get all know that. That shiny Penny probably isn't going to be the one it's going something else that you're going to learn about yourself, you're going to get more savvy in your filters, and more strategic with your time as the process goes on. Yeah, it is really interesting, because I think you really hit on something key there is that you're going to learn as you do this. So if you hit up 25 people on day one, and no one responds, I don't wanna say you wasted 25 messages, but you didn't have a chance to see if your message landed first, to see what you need to adjust to then reach out to the next. So if you only reach out to five, would you learn now reach out to a different five with any adjustments that you had to make. And I think you also will learn about the kinds of jobs you want to apply for. So as new jobs pop up, or as you start having some of those interviews you may learn something about the companies, the definitions of the roles like even your former role Chief of Staff, that means a lot of different things at a lot of different organizations. So if that's the role you're applying for and you apply for 50 chief of staff jobs, your that's going to be very, very different. Absolutely, and I think you, you look at it from the benefit can be looking at it from both perspectives, both from yourself trying to find the right position, and the other person, you presenting yourself as a good fit. Right, so sort of respecting other people's time, because I know so many friends again and colleagues that would all of a sudden reach out to their entire network, and just say, Hey, I'm looking, if you thing, right, and then on them to spend their time and energy, instead of kind of taking a step back being very strategic about, okay, I'm going to contact these particular people about this type of opportunity. But I'm gonna have a very clear call to action for them. Right? Oh, it's so much easier when you get a message that says, Hey, I see you're connected to this person, I would like to know this person, would you be willing? An Introduction? Versus a very broad ask? Yeah. But I think, for each process is required in order to get to that? Well, it also helps you identify what you need, and then actually get the things that you need. Because if you just put it out there, say, Hey, I'm looking, who knows what you're going to get? And then you're a that's noise that maybe you don't need, but also that do you feel bad because someone suggested something that you actually didn't want. And now that's awkward. I remember, it's, it's the flip of this. But I remember someone once gave me the best advice that if someone is going through something, and you reach out to them and say, Hey, let me know how I can help. They often will say, Thank you, but I'm fine. Because they don't know what they need. But if I say hey, I know you're going through something, I'm going to bring dinner by tonight, so you don't have to think about it. They're like, Oh, my God, thank you. So I know that's the opposite. But it's the same concept of the more focused you can be in your help, the better and more helpful, you'll actually be 1,000% agree with that. And I think the higher level of you get within an organization, when you get into the executive levels in the C suites, right? The more clear your call to action is the likely they are to respond. Yes. And so you know, as people are mapping out their search, doing sort of an initial scan, okay, based on today, what does it want? My Am I looking at my own city? Am I looking in different cities? Am I looking for this particular career or another one, right getting, having a starter place for yourself where you are at at the moment, and then mapping out some key tasks that you do every week, or every day, right, but just make sure the list is reasonable. And just do it on repeat, just delete the system, because as you said, it's every message or every search is a litmus test for what you learned, and how you're going to change it. Because how you introduce yourself, and the first email that you send out is going to be different than the email or even the 10. Yes, absolutely. You learn so much as you go. And you also just learn about what you're looking for, too. So you're asking might be a little different as you go through your process as well. So that leads into what you were saying earlier about burnout. So both the job search, but then also when you start a new job, it is a marathon, not a sprint. So what can folks do differently, once they've gotten the job to apply sort of that burnout technique to a new job as well? You know, I am a worker bee by nature, right? I'm not very good at the jobs that even claimed to me, you don't have to arrive. So nine and you could leave it right? Like that was natural for me. Even if they gave me permission for that. Yes. But on the flip side of that is that I I have a pretty high capacity for energy and enthusiasm in a given day. But I will never forget the one job when I did change careers. I was never so exhausted in my entire life. Like I would come home from a first full day. And I would wake up the next morning still in my dress clothes from the day before Oh, no. As I had just used up every ounce of energy that I had. And so when I fell asleep I literally would have lights on and wake up in my dress clothes. In to Me, I had to do that a few times before I did some self reflection. My boss was like, Okay, wait, that's too much. So, you know, I, I think if people can say to themselves again, these are the patterns I'm going to repeat. If I worked out every day before I'm going to keep working out I'm not Gonna forego the workouts because I want to learn something new at my job, right? Feel perfect before, I'm going to meal prep now, because I'm not going to all of a sudden, try to go out to lunch with every new person in my office. Because there could be something about that meal prep, not only saving money, but be, you might need that internal time to read. And so don't let go of the patterns that serve you, at the risk of just trying to like fit in, learn more and do it super fast, really spaced that timing out. So you also have energy to regroup. Because, you know, your brain and your body are willing, you know, just, they're gonna implode at some point, if you don't find the process. Yeah, yep, no, I think that's so true. And I think it's also the time to do it, cuz you're also setting the right expectations moving forward. So the minute you start week one, answering emails on the weekend, or showing up early to things or not eating your lunch, you now are saying this is how I work, it's okay that I'm working this way. And a new job is actually the chance to reset all of those bad behaviors. Oh, it's such a good point. And even more challenging that people are working remotely right? It would be even ECE. Yeah, these practices and let any sense of Schedule Go. Because all you have to do is pick up your laptop. But your point of it sets an expectation is if you feel so compelled to work or right after hours, then schedule the email to go out during workout. Yes. Don't Don't try to do everything. And then in the off hours, so that way, you can't maintain what you're starting off with. Yes, yes. Oh, that's so important. Well, you have shared so many great tips, both of things you've learned on your you know, throughout your own career, and then how to apply that for job searches and starting new job based on your expertise. Now as the habit catalysts, which I love that phrase, or what is as we wrap up, what's one place that you tend to see people struggle with this? So this all sounds great. Like, of course, I should be doing all this. What tends to be people's blockers that you see. I think when people are career changing, definitely I will say, and I point this out all the time, the free networking events, to me are like where I've wasted the most amount of time and energy in my career. I would rather see people be more strategic with their time, meet with one person commit to one organization and take those events. Don't join every free listserv, because there's a lot of them. And don't join every free networking group because there's a lot of them, right? Research be mindful of the people that align with you. And don't be so scared that every time you don't sign up for something, or you don't attend for an event, that would have been the moment where the right opportunity. It's not a case, right? There's enough stories that the right opportunity and partner or mentor will align when it's supposed to be and you don't fight against the process. Oh my gosh, yes, that is such an important message that if it's the right thing, it will present itself again, in another form. Yes. Well, thank you so, so much. Like I said, it's been so great hearing your own stories, but then your advice was so actionable. And so, so focus that I think it's gonna be really, really helpful for people. So we'll make sure that they know ways to connect with you to if they want to continue to follow your advice and connect with you offline. So thank you again, so much for doing the episode. It was been great chatting with you. Oh, thank you for this opportunity. I think it's a really important topic, and I'm glad to incorporate habits and good practices into it. Thank you so much for listening to the shine network podcast. If you enjoy today's episode, please subscribe and leave a review. Leaving a review takes just a few minutes and truly helps other people find the podcast. 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