Episode 20-01: Star Wars Day!

In this inaugural episode, the guys discuss Star Wars -- specifically the films, what Star Wars means to them, and their take on where the franchise has been and where it should go in the future.

Chapters

• 0:00 Intro
• 2:00 Favorite Characters and SW Memories
• 18:34 Has the Disney purchase helped or hurt the franchise?
• 34:42 By trashing existing canon, did Disney cut off their nose to spite their face?
• 1:05:41 The future of SW
• 1:37:15 Outro

Transcript

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Hi, everybody. Welcome to the extent podcast. We

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are a

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group of friends. Six of us that, uh, you know, just wanted to get together to talk about we talk about sci fi entertainment and all that good stuff. We've

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been doing it on a threat for a long time, and now we're gonna do it

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as a podcast. So this is our first inaugural episode. We hope

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you stick with us. And so I'm bursts. And so I just let everybody introduce themselves. Kurt,

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what's going on? Everybody? I'm Kurt, otherwise known as OPI to t We want Toby once a little brother.

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He be I'm Saturday. My older brother Ben. I'm Ben back E Kevin, Kevin and Jamie. I'm

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Jamie.

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So today is a good thing today we said this is our inaugural episode. And what better way to kick off the podcast with the topic that we talk all the time about we and we just talked incessantly about it comes up, it goes away, then it comes back. But we're going to talk about Star Wars. And so, um, Ellen, just I forget to mention it's at the top. So we're doing social distancing and everybody should be safe and do the same thing. We're all talking on a zoom call, and we're all in separate places, you know, and doing that. But we are. We hope in the future that we have this together. We're all in the same room, right? Like we're getting same room. At least we're not gonna make you come all the way now for Main Bennett. You know,

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you will get Ben one of those little iPad robots. It just hangs out in the room. Yes, around would be awesome. Like

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the little junky robot from the last the last yet. I, uh What

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was it? Okay. What? You can you know what the big square Clocky guy just like. Ooh, cool. Like power, Jordan. We'll start it in the way of everything. Can't do corners like the awesome

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when I got to school, have

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you? We'll figure it out. We'll put you on some got away. But we'll, uh We'll start out the Star Wars. Stop it with your favorite character and your favorite Star Wars memory, and I'll kick it off with my favorite character Is Yoda. Ever since Empire strikes back when you you know you know looked at Luke and he said, you know, you were denied and I he was a badass, you know, in the prequels. They finally got him wielding a lightsaber, and he looked in all over the fucking place. He was awesome. So my favorite characters Yoda. My favorite memory is, um, when I was about I guess, 10 or so my parents I begged them for Millennium Falcon like I could. I could not live without a Millennium Falcon. And I didn't even ask, saying I asked my my parents. And so they went searching every toys r us everywhere could not find it. So Christmas Open. I'm sure I'm only kids. I get everything I want anyway, So I'm sure I'm gonna get the blame fac and open it. And it's an ad. It which is cool. And I love that at it. But it wasn't millennia, fracking. So I was, like, usual disappointed. But, you know, glad I got the ad at that play with that thing all day. But I love that I've wanted the Millennium Falcon. I got an ad at years later, I finally got my falcon, so I'm happy. That's the biggest thing that six out of my Star Wars brain K Dub. What's yours?

spk_2:   3:56
Honestly, it's Vader from ants down from the time from the I know, I know. I'm just you want me to just label, But ever since he walked through that first door was not okay. I'm sorry, man. We can like the same character. No, we can't. Yes, we can. Yes, we can. You know, But ever since he walked through that, you just

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have to have a better reason. TV, that's all. You just got one up. Why? Like

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they just honestly, he's the baddest of the back. I mean, that one of the greatest villains of all time, you know, he only he only lost because he turned good at the end. Otherwise he was. If he had sustained evil the whole time. Look what had no, no chance at the end, you know, Emperor would have had his way. Empire would have been ruling everything. We wouldn't have the walks anymore. Good thing hurt. The empire ruling is not a good thing. I'm just saying you asked me for my favorite character, and I'm telling you why. Don't don't hate the reason why. I mean you know it is what it is. You know, Vader, hands down the greatest villain of all time in my book.

spk_1:   5:04
And what's your best Star Wars memory other than or is giving you an orgasm? What?

spk_2:   5:09
Wow. Wow. Nine year old me. I don't think I had the orgasm when he walked through, but Okay, anyway, you know, honestly, the best memory is, uh, just ah, having ah, have my mom and sister take me to Ah, the theater for my birthday. You know, we we didn't go when it first came out. I don't know of any you guys did when it first came out.

spk_4:   5:32
I think that's like a lot of kids. Parents pressure, if it was appropriate. Yes,

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exactly. And then. But my birthday was in the middle of July, and I finally convinced my mom this is what I want for my birthday. And she sucked it up and took me, and they both hated it. But little nine year old me came out of there screaming about Vader. And you want invader dolls? Vader T shirts, Vader. Everything is a new hope, right? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. A new hope.

spk_3:   6:02
How many times you shut the hell up on the right home from the theater?

spk_2:   6:07
No, I was I was I was gonna shoot the lightsaber slapping my sister in the head. You know, it is what it is. That's my favorite memory of this old thing.

spk_1:   6:20
Wow. All right, so now give your shot TV. What? What is

spk_3:   6:24
your character? I personally like I hated myself. I didn't notice. He I think he stole something from you. But I'm gonna go with Oh, be war stick with Vader. I'm telling. What do you say? You know, we want your second favorite. I like you, too. Yeah, that that's why he went. And what

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do you win because of me

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right now, anyway. But not seriously. I think he was my character. Uh, so I said something about time. That's no guy, but look, I check that he just cut that drink off. So did he. Okay, so he was only like your favorite character for, like, 80 minutes e. They died. Like all good things come to in Sometimes. Uh, you

spk_1:   7:24
favor every We were all in camp and they was taking it. They took, like, 30 kids into the movie theaters,

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man and This was like everybody making all of us all the hand. And then

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we all became jet eyes right after that move at a little club and they cheated by taking way that what kind of camp is that? They take you out to a movie that's cheap.

spk_3:   7:54
That's not it. That's what they want way.

spk_1:   8:05
Well, thank you. Thank you TV for that, Ben. They hear character.

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Memory minds like mine is actually, that's Mississippi. When a character waas really award, that's this off. Han Solo is like my favorite character, like specifically pot solo. I don't know. That's just I think that's when, like everything turns for him. No, I think that's where. Bad outfit. Just things. Whole new thing I looked and good, you know, seeing Luke like I don't know that. Well, let's talk tea. He's always right there. He was also my favorite, like figure two, like I still have today. Like carrying around with old time. That was in my beer. So these Damian and you know we're gonna be on the test. Jamie's holding up a figure that's the best. You make that at that moment that moment, you know, because there's too many. There's too many competitors that I love that would to make just one. But so I say that harm consoler, that's that moment is great. And your favorite? Yeah, I guess it would be, uh, you gonna ask this the first time we saw the movie? It doesn't have to

spk_1:   9:28
be that it could be anything it could be, you know, And, you

spk_3:   9:31
know, I just don't want to repeat the story, but like that, I think it was the first time I still stores in the first time I saw stores was actually through the back window at a drive in theater at the next theater over. My parents, uh, they went there well, when there was quick, busy blowing to see, It's shiny, but they're like watching the shining as were therefore But I'm in called Up Into the back window. What's in the next theater Over and Star Wars. And then you're scared after that

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of the

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Shining married. I could care less Now, Billy, did you have, like, shining audio and Star Wars picture memories like God, No, I don't I don't I have always thought about taking this shining audio and marrying it up to the to a new hope and just see what read rally Crazy. Yeah, right. Just at that moment, that's when, like everyone gets taken down, it's like Here's Johnny, like, you know, I don't think it's

spk_2:   10:39
OK. You could say Europe each dragon. You have to

spk_1:   10:45
remember seeing peace dragging a theater, actually, um, way can What's yours?

spk_3:   10:54
Ah, favorite character. That probably changes a lot. But I would say currently, Luke is probably my favorite. That's bean a rail. Really? Yeah. He, uh, any James. You know, I think when I was younger and you know would play Star Wars of my brothers and stuff, I think Khan was kind of the character that we go to. But, like, as I've gotten older, Luke has become a little bit more of my favorite, and I think just overall, just because of, like, his trajectory and seeing him change. And, you know, everyone thinks he's like real whining in the beginning, but then seeing kind of where he ends up in return of the Jetta and seeing the growth and stuff. And then I would say I don't really have a specific favorite memory. I mean, there's instances, but I remember going to see movies. Now I'm younger. So the first time I saw stores in the theater was Jet I I was too young for empire too young for you have. But I actually probably would say collectively, just all the memories growing up, playing with all of the toys with my brothers were going outside and playing with, like, the toy blasters and light saviors and like it was just a constant running around. It's like it seemed like that's almost all we ever really played. We all kind of have our own things that we were into, like when one of us would be in the g I Joe and one of us being the transformer. What we were all collectively in the Stormers was one of the few things that we all played together. So, yeah, I was just collectively just growing up. Onda having those times with my with my brothers. That's cool. That's cool.

spk_1:   12:21
Names Cave. What is yours like old old ones?

spk_4:   12:27
Yeah, I'm like,

spk_3:   12:28
I just saw Star Wars for the first time, last year's big fan. So it's are you

spk_1:   12:36
know, the drive ins don't exist anymore. Been so you're lying.

spk_3:   12:39
Actually, they know I was like the war years old. When that happened, it was like when I, like, let Jamie talk good. Uh, like

spk_4:   12:53
Kurt. It came out in 76. I didn't see it until a few months later in 77 because basically, parents had no feels appropriate. And I basically remember going to the movie theater in Greenbelt, and I actually had at the time of most people don't remember the toys were not available, so I actually got into Star Wars of the ah, the toys because as a kid, you started getting him. They came out right after Christmas. So I actually add the Darth Vader figure and in our to figure where the 1st 2 figures I got because it was going to we could find at the time. And I remember going to the movie theater, and my dad was like, OK, are you sure you want to see Star Wars? The cat from Outer space or Star Wars? And

spk_3:   13:36
I have a Vader and

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are too with May. Ah, so, uh, that was probably the memory, But I have no memory, I think Must You guys knew when the Empire strikes back came out over at White Flint Mall. They brought baiter out and you could go there. And so I know if you guys could see that's better at

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the

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mall at the

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Hex and all

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the kids got to go up there and get a sign poster by him. And then the Empire strikes back 45 with the battle hall in the Imperial March on the other

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side. So I remember scenes

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Vader as a kid. So

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now it's about E. I

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met Vader and Toys R Us and with the Stormtrooper.

spk_3:   14:21
That wasn't Vader Kurt, and he just wanted to come to Assam. Stop that Stop there,

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I say. Favorite character grown up with Luke for sure.

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Like, you know, best

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in this

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is the

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retro they just re released,

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but was character with getting here. Was your Brown Yeah,

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because that's that's the first time you got him, actually, with a light saber, a referent lights ever that wasn't going out of his telescope in arm. But I say recently, I kind of gravitate towards Boba Fett

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like I really

spk_4:   14:57
like, you know, the whole man. DeLorean both fed whole genre. I think that's pretty cool, you know? So

spk_1:   15:05
he's only other former character. Yeah, everybody loves but real clear.

spk_3:   15:08
But just interject the Boba Fett. Is that Mawr? Because, man DeLoreans out now when you're getting more back story or was, you

spk_4:   15:15
know, actually, it was funny, like my my buddy Sean aun we're growing up. Uh, I mean, we saw with movies in the theaters. I saw Empire and return with him, and we always actually just used to have, ah, little thing, you know, Bob Boba Fett when he's in the camp, Not the canteen and Charles Palace. When you just Yeah, not order. That was kind of our thing. So basically

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said was

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that was always a little Boba Fett thing.

spk_3:   15:39
You know, so many warring, only 100 actually emphasizes

spk_4:   15:43
that. Even Maureen O. Technically, he's not even meddling. Yeah,

spk_3:   15:47
well, if you think about, I mean, the beauty of full effect is that he's like, he's kind of like that. He's the real mythical creatures in the whole, does everything you think about just how you developed in the first films. And then basically good shock of it is about him in the, you know, the pre cool guy playing in the back. Mystery. He's a brilliant character is a brilliant number. The action

spk_4:   16:12
figure. The actual figure you had to send away for him. Yeah, well, they never released those that think they a the Unicorns. If you could give one of the six of them,

spk_1:   16:25
There's only six

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of the prototype. Never. You were never

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relating in a secret cash back like cash in

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the ground in the booth. What would be the street price like? I'm curious. Like, I think the last

spk_4:   16:43
one went for 82. 80,000?

spk_3:   16:50
Yeah. I mean, the idea

spk_4:   16:52
melted out to you guys. What? 14

spk_3:   16:54
He spent $80,000 on a figure. Do you like to sleep with it or something? $1000 toys that go on a shelf. Does it go in a box that you never look at it? Or is that something that's like, Oh, that's why you gotta be, like in some big custom. Like a museum. Glass cases? Um, that was

spk_4:   17:12
in November.

spk_2:   17:13
See, it

spk_4:   17:14
is a holy grail of Star Wars memorabilia. Sells for 185,000

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at now. Works in that senate. Are you? That's

spk_1:   17:25
great. Like actually comics number one? No, Like you. Wouldn't you ever show anybody that it just sits behind some glass somewhere?

spk_4:   17:32
Sorry. Only 30 of them in existence.

spk_1:   17:36
But it

spk_2:   17:36
was in the TV ad, though. Fiber? Exactly. It was shot out in the TV.

spk_3:   17:40
Yeah, because the commercials, usually your film. Oh, yeah. No. Really Realized something back in the package, right? They

spk_4:   17:47
had a lawsuit on their hands when they realized Yeah, that's probably a good idea. Is the same thing with Remember the Battlestar Galactica Vipers and bylines that shot in things. Same thing they bombing those after a while,

spk_3:   17:58
you see dry eyes

spk_1:   17:59
because they would be loose And, like, Children choking hazard. Are

spk_3:   18:04
you literally like you could take someone's eye out with you people and like it like those things are awesome. Like I was little kid in the woods. Like, if you didn't have, like, curve guns, we had trucking Battlestar Galactica ships with

spk_1:   18:35
in 2012. Lucasfilm wants to get out of the biz. Lew George Lucas specifically. So he says All right, Bob Iger, I'll give you Lucasfilm for four billion. He buys it. And so since then, we've had, you know, uh, the force awakens a $2 billion road, one at $1 billion. Last jet I $1 billion so low at 392 million and rises Skywalker at $1 billion. So, you know, in the in the time since you know 2012 when Disney bought it and, you know, dismantled everything in 2014 when they got rid of this stuff that used to be cannon that we all know and love. So do we think that Disney has helped or hurt the Star Wars brand because we've discussed this a lot and, you know,

spk_2:   19:25
depending how you look at it

spk_1:   19:27
well and I was going to say so It's not like there weren't probably suitors and stuff, but Georgia, just at the time, said he felt like Disney was the best home for Star Wars. And do you guys agree with that? And, you know, do we think that Disney has ruined Star Wars?

spk_2:   19:41
I mean, I think they recruit their money, and they did what they need to do to recoup their money, but as a rhetorical question. But to be honest for me, the movies have all kind of gone downhill since they peaked at Empire. I mean, empire his hands down, the greatest one of all of them and, you know, parts of jet ire. Good. You know, but I think truly they've all kind of gone downhill since then. You can't tell me the prequels air good, other than some select seen this, you know, And they don't hold up if you you know, you know, as many times as they show up on TV or had shown up on TV, the it just really doesn't hold up the look, I mean, the animation backgrounds, everything being fake, nothing being really

spk_1:   20:29
your thing it

spk_4:   20:29
could do.

spk_2:   20:30
I I will say I give them credit for doing a little more, you know, having rial sense and things for the last trilogy. But for me, they've all gone downhill. The books, the extended universe that, you know, I kind of got kicked to excite That, you know, is no longer cannon, but as slowly, you know, certain character have been brought back in as cannon. You know, that was that was kind of where it once I mean like I have you know, I collected all Marvel comic books. I mean, I think I have Marvel, you know, one through 100. You know, I'm sitting sitting in the house here, you know, because that's, you know, you've got those stories in between the movies. That's the only way you could do it until, you know, they started releasing some of the novels. And I think Timothy Zahn was well, technically, he wasn't the 1st 1 I think the 1st 1 was Splinter of the mind's eye, you know, technically was the 1st 1 and but that's really not even candid because they've changed the story up and they didn't think they were going to get a sequel. And some of the stuff that happened in that book, you know, just totally is, you know, goes totally against everything else that has happened in the movies. So to me. So

spk_1:   21:38
you thought they screwed it before even doesn't got ahold of it. Which,

spk_2:   21:41
to be quite honest, I thought they screwed it when they put the walks in years alone. The

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walk cast

spk_4:   21:51
enough people big enough people because

spk_3:   21:53
they wanted Teoh and I think

spk_4:   21:54
that would have been a lot better.

spk_2:   21:57
Yeah, that would have been great. But I mean, you know, again. You can't tell me. You know, again, we know stormtroopers can't shoot. But you know, you can't tell me a rock is gonna be, You know, a piece of metal in a gun. I'm sorry. You know,

spk_3:   22:12
Jenna is when Lucas got some of that toy money. Exactly. You got the money? He said, OK, we need to change Teoh. They don't have marketable towards Children because that's a big part of our audience. Three, right.

spk_4:   22:26
He also got three kids,

spk_2:   22:27
so I mean to me again, it's It's, you know, after Empire, they started the slow slowly slide down the hill.

spk_1:   22:34
So, to you, this is just a descendant held like Disney didn't ruin anything. That was a

spk_2:   22:39
continuation of that. It was already going downhill for me. It was just that I love, you know, I love the universe. So, like, stick with it, you know? I mean, I truly believe clone wars and the animated Siri's, aside from resistance is Ah, you know, some of the best storytelling that they've done in quite some time, you know? I know. So I know. I don't think all you guys watching, I know Jamie does, but right, I mean, you know that some of the best storytelling that they've had in quite some time, you know, especially the last couple

spk_3:   23:08
episodes. Yeah, well, I know I was just gonna say I mean, like, I think that's kind of like one of the big If you're just talking about the nine movies, like, I think the biggest division between Lucas and Disney taking over is that like Like I indeed the prequels were amazing or anything by, like, the story being told like that was the are Rand are right. Everything about writing all that kind of stuff. He of course it has some great little visual. It's there

spk_4:   23:43
in there and all

spk_3:   23:43
that kind of stuff. But, like visually didn't really grab you and then does neither the complete opposite when they totally fucked the story on and and like, just totally screwed of all the characters. Visually, when you look at those bubbles, there's a lot of nice stuff going on. Hey, look,

spk_2:   24:01
a composition to shots and things like that. And like some of the backgrounds, the sky, things like that, it's great, but

spk_3:   24:07
it was made well. I agree with that, too. Production value, production value is good. Return to biological effects. I think we'll some radical effects when they still use green screen stuff, right? There's one thing I just think that's like what? How people argue is like, Well, the freehold weren't all that. It's like wool from a, you know, from a movie sample. And no, but as a story and information and all that kind of stuff, like, they're great. Yeah, you know

spk_1:   24:33
what it was supposed to do? Show the origin way. Need

spk_3:   24:36
I judge socks like and all that kind of stuff, But I

spk_2:   24:41
got a judge are,

spk_1:   24:44
But like I felt like I didn't mind returns, and I had so much I thought it

spk_3:   24:50
was I have a connection to it. Just canvas for my son would be dear. Right? Right, Right. So I I I was probably the prime age for that, you know that I was like the target, you know, I was like the it was buying up all the toys. So in Jabba the Hutt, one of my favorite villains, like the whole front. What? The whole mob aspect of

spk_5:   25:09
Jabba the Hutt has

spk_2:   25:11
no problem with job at all, man.

spk_3:   25:13
Yeah, Teddy bears But to Jamie's point, it's like they couldn't do Wookies. They couldn't get a bunch of like seven foot, eight foot guys. I didn't have CG stuff, but the that the whole idea, why they couldn't because they delight Big Castle is is like the technology. I think the idea was going there just couldn't implement.

spk_1:   25:30
But that was going to say, like, Is it really the limitations and technology that made that drove that point home? Where was it really, literally like Lucas wanted? I

spk_4:   25:40
think I think Lucas was sort of going soft at that point because he did get some negative feedback about empire being so dark. And a lot of people did not like the fact that I mean, like they say in Clerks that ended on a down that right there is a lot of stuff like Empire was made and I think Empire is one of the best movies like

spk_2:   26:02
you acted by Lucas,

spk_4:   26:04
right? Exactly. But if you look at Star Wars right, I think Star Wars, I think one of the biggest issues that is needed was Disney does not understand the target audience of Star Wars. Star Wars is made for our generation. They tried to

spk_3:   26:18
force it

spk_4:   26:18
on to a younger generation. We didn't need a soft reboot. Like Lucas said, East. Last three movies brought nothing to the table. Nothing new. They repeated the past like I agree have been 100%. The prequels were visually okay. A lot of story was in writing was bad, but it still had a cohesive story of the path of Vader, an antigen, right? I don't think that we needed The Phantom Menace as Anakin. As a kid, I honestly believe that should have started with him as a teenager because that would have basically given you a better reason to have him turn to the dark side because he would have been older, right? I think you could

spk_1:   27:00
have way need the him as a kid getting taken away from his mom. No, to set that. I don't think they should have

spk_3:   27:07
gone back on the crawl.

spk_4:   27:14
It could have just a

spk_3:   27:15
little episode

spk_4:   27:16
of him as Hannah Ken, but his mark, Darth Vader, as Anakin still is a before he was, you know, struck down by we want before he actually turned into the mechanical. Later, I think you could have had

spk_3:   27:27
a you know. Yeah. It would have given you more time with Anakin. And Obi won that connection. You're spending more time with them and the two of them. So you know when it does in that moment, You remember of him Skins. You're looking down like mixing here more. I just never understood the move to go. So you end with return. The Jet I One of the first Phantom Menace came out in, what, 1999. Right. So you you've got, like, this 13 year gap choose to go backward is on automatic recast of every single character, anyway. So why aren't you gonna do that later? Why aren't wanted to jump to do 789 when you have a 13 year natural progression with Luke and Leia and on everyone's aged? Yeah. Why did he just jumped? For what? Like I didn't care Then the explanation Harrison wouldn't come back. Well, I mean, okay, so if you don't have Han Solo, you could have, like, 30 years. 13 exact, like, free. Like they should have jumped. They should have done 78 Now that was the first big misstep is that they chose to go backward at that moment.

spk_4:   28:32
You go.

spk_1:   28:32
You already had a 30 years. Would Hamel and Carrie Fisher have done at that 300.19? Oh,

spk_4:   28:37
what a

spk_3:   28:37
camel would have. And I think Fisher was I

spk_2:   28:40
don't know what part of her gym and

spk_3:   28:43
they want a

spk_2:   28:43
drug in his life. I mean, you know, where was she? In her, you know, drug infused part of her life. You know, no offense store, but, you know, was that at the point where she was or was? She had gotten over

spk_3:   28:57
that, and it was a party Star Wars. So she'd be like, another star Wars That's goes part. And you're also assuming, though, that his next three films would have had the trajectory of those characters, he could have shifted focus. They could have had minor roles, but they would have been more aged realistically toe how they were really intently.

spk_4:   29:17
I don't think you needed toe phase any of the new characters that I think, honestly, they should have had Lucas be still the person who steers them with Disney, being in charge of mixing certain things and on turn to the right

spk_3:   29:29
main. The directing thought was gonna happen. Now I think he's right here. Is gonna get, you

spk_4:   29:34
know, Allah desk and

spk_3:   29:35
Bruce this? Yes. Let me. I think you just

spk_1:   29:37
gave it over. Sorry, Jamie. Go ahead.

spk_4:   29:39
You know, obviously this is something that I told Bruce last night. Tell me your most memorable quote from the original trilogy, and then tell me your most memorable quote from the new movies. And it doesn't really have to be that we watched a bunch of these. So I'm Bruce. Like I couldn't tell you. A single line of dialogue of the Sequels. None and excited. Wrong. But the mom joke, right?

spk_1:   30:07
This is that

spk_4:   30:08
child bad? I think these new movies are like, there is nothing like I was telling Burst like it. Just look at Star Wars Empire. Excuse me? Return you had after Hans Luke in the trench. Great empire. It's too young, Junior, right? There's there's a theme. Don't and then you get to the 3rd 1 Now I owe you one kid, right? There's a Stina. There's thes member quotes or lines or events that happened. I can't think of anything. And these prequel or sorry. The Sequels of memorable quotes or events like that. You know, there's like it's just literally such a hodgepodge of just bad directing and writing, you know,

spk_1:   30:47
Well, just wasn't memorable like and like we had discussed like And I told you, May I am a kind of hard pressed from, you know, 789 picking out any kind of crude

spk_4:   30:59
him a couple

spk_3:   30:59
times i e. It's all stuff that makes me laugh and cringe. I remember this stuff that I didn't like that, you know. But that could be honestly, there's younger people that watch these movies that do sort of probably take more out of them, and then we dio. But can

spk_1:   31:21
they quote like, Nerf herder is something like that, Jamie Jamie had a good point.

spk_3:   31:24
I don't know. I don't know that there as quoted no, but I'm sure they have, like, moments that they like, that we're just

spk_4:   31:29
lap it up football, You know,

spk_2:   31:30
I honestly can't think of a quote. I've been sitting here. I can't think anything from the Sequels. I mean, you know, I personally think they missed the boat by not having her turn evil. If they were gonna go this old Palpatine route and be a relative of Palpatine. Or, you know, a clone about teen May should have They should have hit that note, you know, at the very end of the first, you know?

spk_3:   31:58
Yeah, they're modern men, as they were getting.

spk_2:   32:00
Well, I know. And I truly believe that, you know, it's history was I truly believe she had some evil enter from the 1st 1 I've said this all along. You know, real. She had the glee if you go back and watch the glee on her face when she's beating down kylo ren. Now that first time a

spk_3:   32:17
Luke had that to look at her with

spk_4:   32:20
with Major when he

spk_3:   32:21
had when Luke is about right and they were turning to the dark side, she should have been going. She should have think about

spk_4:   32:27
Lucas once he throws that lifesaver way, he never like. That's a thing. Like he throws his lights everywhere.

spk_3:   32:32
Like

spk_4:   32:32
that's his done. His moment has done. He has passed every test, right? Yes, that way don't have to go into this. We know what they do. Look,

spk_3:   32:41
But again, leave. I

spk_4:   32:42
could even name

spk_3:   32:43
you, right?

spk_4:   32:45
I condemn naming memorable quotes from you know the first movements are the Sequels or prequels, which are kind of playing like, Oh, I hate sand gets everywhere like it

spk_3:   32:52
doesn't matter like exactly right. But, I mean, you

spk_4:   32:59
know, think about it like there

spk_3:   33:01
is a lack.

spk_4:   33:02
And I told Bruce I told you guys, I think doesn't he just thought they could do whatever they wanted. We would go and we did

spk_3:   33:08
it. We did it. I think there came an overly confident marble when they're doing really well. Marvellous came in with some confidence. You know, you look at their track record before Lucas film on on who they've purchased and and the product that's put out and you've got Pixar and you've got Marvel. I mean, those air sluggers, you know, they're constantly it great product out. And then Star Wars came in, and I think they were just like And to be fair, Lucas is the one that recommended Kathleen Kennedy. He's the last have appointed in every way, did her and said, repressive, taking over. And so they sort of stepped off. Let that go. And just to clarify Bruce earlier, I don't think Lucas was expecting toe oversee, but he definitely was expecting them to follow. His street template has when it When he sold it, he handed them the treatments for his 789 And then here's Period is an article, an interview with him where he was very surprised that they were like, We're not interested. We're gonna go off and do our own thing And I think that's when he was just sort of like,

spk_4:   34:09
Here's the thing I think they wanted to do They wanted to get rid of the old and bringing this whole new cast of

spk_3:   34:16
characters and

spk_4:   34:17
things, but they forgot that again. Thes figures behind me and other stuff like Threepio and Artoo are, according to Lucas, the caretakers of the story. If you're going to continue with them, then they need to be the two vocal drawers. You can't bring in another droid and do these things, and you can't just put them to the back. They're kind of like the archivist of this whole thing

spk_3:   34:38
that I think

spk_4:   34:39
he should have just right. And you should have just ended this with,

spk_3:   34:42
you know, very appreciate.

spk_1:   34:46
So let me let me steer this Ah, different direction. Then so do we. say

spk_4:   34:52
I get TV in here to

spk_1:   34:55
do we think

spk_3:   34:56
that you must be

spk_1:   34:57
They should have kept everything that was expanded universe. Or did they do the right thing in? Just call that doing their own

spk_3:   35:06
thing. I think with that I mean, first of all, when you mean when you're talking about like, you know how like carpet is talking about Like, um, see, I can't remember name right? Like when he's like all her going dark and all that kind of stuff and whatever you like, I don't think she is a good are because I don't think we should ever say I was seen any kind of part of her until maybe the third movie or anything like like Disney picked up in the middle in the middle of a story, you know? Well, I'm The story is that there wasn't a linear path that they should have stayed on, but they're just, like, screw this. I would have liked Teoh plowed down some Amazon and rainforests and do my own road of our wars like I

spk_2:   35:53
mean, look, if if they're going to make her be a palpatine, little bits of that should have been coming out through all the episodes, you know? And it never did. It was a course. It was, Yeah, it was. It was Honestly, it was a missed opportunity in my book.

spk_1:   36:08
You know what the original direction is? Accidentally, what was the original gold Did they ever reveal? Like what the original get back four billion is quick. Brian Johnson got a hold of it and they had to course correct. Like what? She's supposed to be a Palpatine, like

spk_3:   36:23
they don't reveal it, i e. They only had, like, an outline, but every director was allowed to sort of veer off. But technically, as much as we don't like last, Gen. I. Ryan Johnson is actually the closest to what Lucas intended. So it started with last Jet I instead of Phantom Menace. Instead of having Phantom Menace be a reboot, you started with less with last night. I would obviously correct some of those little points in the film, but let's just say that you took last year and you started there. I think that's actually a better start than force away. So

spk_1:   36:57
you scrub one through three like and you make you start the prequels with this with last

spk_3:   37:01
time? Well, I mean, I would raise him all if I had my if I had an absolute control. I just racing do a do over. But I'm just saying I think Brian Johnson, like I we've all had our discussions on the film. It's all very clear how we feel about it, but I do try and step back and look at it objectively. And I've got a couple of friends that love the film, and they're not huge Star Wars films, so they're looking at it through a different lens. And so I try and and see, and I do understand what Ryan was trying to do. He basically is all of the films or reaction, right? So every film is a reaction to the film before, so Force awakens as a reaction to the prequels. And let's get us back on track to Star Wars and practical effects and kind of back on this sort of path, right? And then last Jet I is this course correction to what it sees is force awakens, repeating itself and going we shouldn't repeat ourselves. I mean, we need to change what we expect. Otherwise, we're just gonna tell the same story over and over and over. So the last jet eyes whole perspective is let's go the opposite way that you think, right? So and then rise of Skywalker is a course correction toe last gent, I because rise of Skywalker's going well. No, no, no, no. That was an over course correction. We really need to kind of bring it back a little bit of the middle. We need to make sure that we do things for the fans and certain things get buttoned up. So they brought a lot of things back. They put Han, Leia and Luke and one movie. No, I don't know how they got Harrison Ford back, but they did. He needed a haircut, but they got him back. Uh, guns called. They got loose guy Walker, you know, catching a fucking lightsaber and see saying, you know, respect my silver dildo or whatever it is, right, kids, kids bad. So I mean, I think I'm more 15 with

spk_4:   38:45
last. I know what kind discreet Kevin there because technically, it was empire almost in reverse. Like you had a dig about scene which was the island. You had a halt battle of the Crystal Desert goes at the end. You got ships leaving Hall. That was that. Begin, right?

spk_3:   38:59
I

spk_4:   39:00
don't think he did anything that I mean.

spk_3:   39:01
No, I don't I don't think I don't know. I'm not seeing less Jenna. I was like, trying to not be Star Wars. It's definitely trying to hit the same music beats. It's trying to have hit the same notes, his empire, but it's trying to sort of be like. But if you back away from the little things that we hate about it and just look at the overall message that is trying to state, it's like, Do you have to be a Skywalker? TB? Oh,

spk_4:   39:25
no. I get that.

spk_3:   39:26
Do you have to be? It's like it's sort of taken this nihilist approach to the four, right? You don't need to be this anointed person to be special. You could be I e. They have about as much use Skywalker. I'm better than you, you know, I think seven rubs us the wrong way cause it's coming out of force. Awakens. I think if you took some of the ideas of seven, which I don't really bad ideas, you mean I think it's I think if you took seven and you moved it into the episode one position, obviously having to not necessarily end the way it does, you have to sort of change. But take some of the themes. I actually think it would be really interesting to start in that place because it does change the trajectory and it's your first film, but it's a horrible middle.

spk_4:   40:16
You're saying the first film of the equal

spk_3:   40:18
of the Sequels, three ideas in the Themes Behind last year moved it into the first lot, and I don't. This is the course of not repeating what we've already seen, which I like complain of the movie, But I like it.

spk_4:   40:30
If you look at Star Wars and you go to empire, we got nothing. And empire that was in a new hope. Right now we got a nice battle plan of with walkers. We've never seen we got a swamp planet. We've got a cloud city and all that, that there was nothing repeated

spk_2:   40:47
brain actually sitting carbonate.

spk_4:   40:49
I actually was disappointed in Jet I that they actually another space battle of the right.

spk_3:   40:54
Yeah, another dead last

spk_4:   40:55
right class jet I was literally Empire strikes back. He didn't do anything new or groundbreaking,

spk_3:   41:01
but but was it was that his directive was he told his story. What

spk_1:   41:06
Kevin started say though he likes the team. The Ryan John.

spk_3:   41:08
I understand that it right now my problem with last time. I think I think this kind of falls also into this bigger. Like, I call it that 80 the filmmakers of today Exactly. Like I think we have a whole entire year generation of filmmakers, directors and these people in charge of this kind stuff that are just like they cleaned one thing. And that's what they focus on instead of looking at like Okay, well, this down here could affect this one thing in this story, Chan and this arc, like make no one really plans. It thinks it really out. It's just kind of like I was gonna This is what it is. We'll focus on this to figure out the rest, and never and I go today and I think that that's what kind of snowballed. All of the tunas. If we're reacting and no, I mean, they're like, Oh, my God, Heard I had a lot. Was this Our weaknesses. No structure. There was no thought to the I

spk_4:   42:05
piggyback on that real quick first. So this goes your other movies, like one and Solo behind your right. The

spk_3:   42:11
thing that absolutely

spk_4:   42:13
there's two things that actually killed me about Rogue one. I still think it's the best one of the new five. Okay, because it is the closest to Star Wars

spk_3:   42:21
one, uh,

spk_4:   42:22
and Kevin I talk better to and Ben and everybody else. I don't need flashbacks. If

spk_3:   42:28
you have to

spk_4:   42:29
show me a flashbacks are worth of that flashbacks. If you have flashbacks, that means you have bad story writing when we want to sit in there. If Luke and he talks about the lightsaber from his father and his father with the Jet I night and they are the guardians of peace and justice throughout the galaxy, you are given a back story right there. And that is all you need to know about the job. You get

spk_3:   42:49
bad is the flashbacks one flash. It's prequels way didn't

spk_4:   42:57
cut back to Obi Wan going. Yeah, let's think about seeing scenes of them being a Jedi knight right as a

spk_3:   43:01
kid. And

spk_4:   43:02
we see that with so much of these new movies, right, flashbacks or

spk_3:   43:07
placing is

spk_4:   43:08
that that that means you have bad stories on you don't need on the

spk_3:   43:12
special one

spk_4:   43:12
did not then broke. One did not need the opening scene of Jennette's kid. It was actually with absolutely worthless to any of the story point. It could have started off with her being busted out of the transport in today And that a we need you because your father wrote Latinos the you know, the designer of the Death Star. We need you to go do this right. Everything I can't stand is Disney has not at all like fences focused on even just the smallest details the ending of rogue one. Much of people like it is an absolute disaster cannon and storytelling. There is no rebel fleet at that point before a new hope. It is X wings And why wings And a few, uh, you know, like what he called blockade runners and other things

spk_1:   43:58
promised they

spk_4:   43:59
there is no rebel alliance of planets and stuff that happens after they destroyed the first Death Star. And there's hope in the galaxy that Luke does that, Disney added all the stuff in, according to Lucas. And if you read on the Star Wars site the second movie empires, when they start forming the rebel fleet, that's when you see them. Like when they rendezvous. You don't get the Mont Calamari and some of them until you know, empire. Right. But there at the end of road one, they have this huge battle in World War. The very opening scene in Star Wars is Vader telling Later, Chief. We need capture, sir. Don't actually surprise. Your eyes were on any mercy missing mission this time. You know, several transmissions were being to this ship, This ship, it was not being to a gigantic calamari. You know, Mom, Calamari cruiser, and then dater hops on and then sees the plans being handed.

spk_3:   44:51
Candidacies plans

spk_4:   44:52
taking. All right. The whole point was that was the first time a actual ship fired on an Imperial Star destroyer. And that was the first sequence of war for that time of the galaxy

spk_3:   45:05
and around the world. Right? And you have her

spk_4:   45:09
lay and them were basically doing those type of spy missions. We didn't need this. I mean, it is actually for continuum It is an absolute disaster of continual right and all they had to do. And I think like I think there's a dental Tigres, Miss Kathleen and other people got involved in that. This isn't a Star Wars mitt without a big battle of the end. And it should have just ended with those guys getting the plans up to that. You

spk_1:   45:35
know, just going to before the Boston run.

spk_4:   45:38
They should have been an imperial face. Now there's actually a line they left out the original movie. Uh, you weren't on a mercy mission this time. Your

spk_3:   45:45
ship was

spk_4:   45:46
in restricted so tenderly their ship was been restricted imperial space. They could have just had that before coming through, running the blockade and getting

spk_3:   45:55
the plant. But you gotta sell

spk_4:   45:57
it Me,

spk_1:   45:58
You got a drama Disney and

spk_4:   45:59
just they don't care about what came before them. And that's what pisses all the fans off. You know, Hollywood That

spk_3:   46:07
that solo two I was told over they put that side of the story, that's all. Like, why news like why did you have to? Oh, Haze. That is not how it went down

spk_4:   46:17
now and solo. The what he called the, uh, pretty cool. I'm brain party right now. The Kessel run castle run like, was not like some Oh, we're going through. We're going through wormholes and giant worms and space and all this stuff. It was just basically a crazy run to a bunch of black holes and stuff like that and trying to navigate stuff. And then also they took solo and just turned it into something theatrical orgasm, A piano.

spk_1:   46:45
It's like

spk_4:   46:47
a light and sound. It doesn't work,

spk_3:   46:50
but, you know, I want to work in that movie, though I told Bruce really was there, So really, Bruce, look at it

spk_1:   47:03
just as a movie did. We need it now, but if you look at it is objective

spk_3:   47:07
movie, it's not bad guys bad. I can't sit down. And I think, by the way,

spk_2:   47:14
at the beginning, like that whole the whole, like Private Ryan type battle. Give me that. You know, at the downtown that's in solo, I can do right film of just, you know, a rebel. You know, Ariel Navy. You know, either malarial are its rebel. Whatever you want to dio, you know, just give me a whole film with that No jet, I just based inside Star Wars

spk_3:   47:35
world smuggler Question smugglers. We'll see. I think I think. Okay, can. Once on solo, I would actually want I wonder. I don't think we will ever see it, but I would love to see the original kind. They are, you know, uh, morning, way. Cut a road one Lord Miller. You know what I think? I think if they wanted to use a little movie, what they should have done was it should have been Landau and Solo. Kind of like a bunny cop. Yeah. Space movie Baltimore. And that's where you get your smugglers. That's what you get here. You rush hour.

spk_1:   48:15
Go ahead. Kevin. You've been waiting.

spk_3:   48:16
Wear a fan of like, I mean, rogue one is the best of the new films. I also agree, but I also think it's like doesn't stand on its own. It only stands because of a new hope. Right? Like you can't detach it and make it its own movie. It's basically a big flashback, right? If you don't know a new hope that that film can exist right hand, it's ah towards past. But what was Disney's motivation to stick with original characters and extensions of original characters on the solo type films. No pun intended, but and then on that seat on them, they make the sequel trilogy, and they're like, we're gonna carve a new past. So it was like a one off films were gonna be the sort of, like, fan, sort of like hand job, And then the rest was just gonna be okay. Well, now we're going to chart a new course, but they had all this interest of like, Okay, well, we'll tell you about Obi Wan Kenobi. We'll tell you about Harrison Ford. We'll tell you about you know how a new hope came toe. Why did they do that in the one offs? What was their motivation to to make what really should have been the Sequels, which was an extension of the characters that we like? And the one off films should have been more of the exploring new ideas, new rules and

spk_1:   49:26
new I think Jamie said it best. I think it was that when they inherited it, they wanted their own stamps. So they knew they had to do fan service and do something with Luke. Why

spk_3:   49:35
wouldn't the stamping on the solo films instead of the Sequels

spk_1:   49:39
because they came after Because remember they Torto agreed to begin with The original plan definitely probably was 789 But by the time they you know, so the force awakens, you know, made a, you know, $2 billion. Let's start getting into Everybody loves to Baca and you know, Han solos are big, you know, Rebel guy like Let's let's do that. Let's do that. And who knows? Maybe Lord and Miller pitched them at the time. They pitched them a really good story and said, We want to tell the story of Han Solo at this particular time I'm looking for and they just didn't They just didn't fall in line with what they what Kathleen Kennedy and Lucasfilm thought they should do. So I fired him. So maybe that's the pitch they made. They and I think they had a theme park. They were building to redesign, and they needed, you know, we need the race stuff in the all the new stuff. We want to focus on Poland and Finn and all the new study Esti mony seen

spk_3:   50:42
parts. I think that's the problem.

spk_4:   50:44
They don't understand their audience.

spk_3:   50:47
You know,

spk_4:   50:47
I think it's interesting. Like

spk_3:   50:48
they need that Sears

spk_4:   50:49
right back here are flying off the shelves because its empire nobody there on the shelves, there are pig warmers everywhere of rave. Then ho the droids. Any of the new characters, John,

spk_3:   51:02
Like three cars. I think the theme parks, like, really nail like, really, like, send it home as to how the whole company, as a whole really view this star was abuses. Start. We're staying in the sense of Blake. You know what? We're gonna make it our own fuck all this other stuff because, like, you do when you could The theme parks, they don't have a Luke running around. Don't I'll be one they don't have. You know, I had one point that been made that I want to touch on. Could Ben, you made the comment of, like, Why do you need fan service? And I just That's a really good question. So I want to know not what is now. It's especially stars you. I think you do. I think you let's just say Star Wars started at the same time that marble started. Let's say that you took all the movies in the seventies, and they launch at the same time as Iron Man did. Right? So you have this this 20. How many films that marvel has marvel Put out? 2023 23 films, you know, condensed in tow a decade, right? Right? Yeah. OK, so you have these 23 films condition to a decade, and you have a relatively clear trajectory, right? Obviously, they put out a couple of films. I didn't really know what they had yet. And then they course corrected. And once they realized this was Ah, this is it. We're gonna hit this arc. We're going to stick with it. They deliver. Right? So you get to the end of endgame and there is fan service. Absolutely. There are moments that are like, we're gonna give you what you want. We're gonna give you what you've been asking for that in the beginning. Retirement. And I think it starts done. Aims sort of time if we condense Star Wars and we didn't have these leaps of decades, it would have done, you know, just been like marble. It would have been We would have had notes that would have felt complete with Luke and Han and laying all the original baby. They would have hit him, but it was expanses of time. They they sort of said, Okay, well, those people are old and we need to focus on the new people. So we're gonna go down a new course. But if you really had condensed it, they would have landed in a very different place. Even if Disney came in halfway through and said, We want to take a palm tree. What's that? You didn't treat Star Wars that way, but I like some of it. I think nice fan service was far worse. Like I like, Don't give me on solo because that's what sold the most units. That, like that's not the answer, is no. And if you wanted pull it Star wars like how don't would it have been if all if, like Disney, had taken these these all of these characters and almost made like an Avengers think What if you did have a dynamic Rises? Skywalker's a little film, a Landau film. Those come together. Those intersected to Ibaka. Well, that's what would happen if it started like I would have been a had been. It would have

spk_4:   53:57
been completely different.

spk_3:   53:58
But they were trying to do that. Yeah,

spk_1:   54:02
like here. Here's the thing. So it's 2012. Lucas sells it to Dizzy. So you look at the stories and let's say they didn't just trash everything that came before. Let's say they just said, OK, we're gonna keep going. Realistically, what do you do? Is Disney to keep Star Wars the brain going like you can't You can't do the store. They've screwed you as faras thymus faras. You know, Lucas didn't do I want

spk_3:   54:31
to agree. I got this way for this Eso their old mark Camels old, old

spk_1:   54:40
So what do you do? What I do know that story

spk_2:   54:43
you go with Timothy's on and you say, Give us a new story.

spk_3:   54:46
Oh, here's what you do is you put all the people that are in charge. You may make them sit down and cause it would be the first time they ever watched any of the Star Wars film times put him in a room and played sewers films, and that's all you have to do. That's all you had to dio nine

spk_1:   55:03
year one of 789 men. What do you do for seven? 89 if you don't.

spk_3:   55:07
17 in America was delighted. I didn't want the 79 of us

spk_4:   55:12
agree. Like what Kevin like, if you weren't going to do anything with Luke on a layer correctly, right, then you should have just stopped. And you should have just been said. Okay, 1000 years later, right?

spk_3:   55:28
Is dead. Alright, right. Yes. Wait on that one second. He pulls you on that for one second, cause that's actually a good question. Yeah, let's take the films that we hate. Let's just take force. Awakens blasted. Let's say last that I if that was 100 years later and that wasn't Luke Skywalker on that island, it was just some other Jenna. It's everything else happened the same. Would you have the same issues with that? Film is a realistic right

spk_2:   55:55
now. I don't think the movie sucks.

spk_3:   55:57
So it puts Depends on ways. I think a lot of things he's been. I think a lot of it is it plays against our limitations. Okay, so I think it went into the back cave. I think if you took some of the last yet I and you said Okay, let's skip it 100 years and let's just take all the classic care. We could have very similar characters, but not lay. Uh, you know, there's and it's not Luke. It's another jet I that's on nine. Some of it plays differently. I think some of these poorly because it's going against expectations of where we expect those character arcs to be landing bigger than some of it is sort of like, Well, I mean, the idea is there. I just don't see them as Luke. I understand what he's trying to do. But if they had leapt 100 years with the film bother you as bad as it does now, is it because of the classic character treatment? Or is it overall just what the story is trying to do thematically? For

spk_4:   56:54
me, it's both. I mean, it's both. I mean, look at what the Not only did they do the characters, but I mean again, they repeated empire just like the repeated A new hope and the force awakens, and they basically almost repeated Jet I and the right Skywalker. But I want to see something different. Like why couldn't you have done something where we saw every movie. It seems like Obi Wan Yoda with them. As they get older, they become hermits. What did they do it, Luke? They made him a hermit. Why couldn't we have just made Luke? Hey, I'm not gonna be a hermit. I'm gonna be out there, you know, fighting the new, you know, empire with my new

spk_3:   57:34
one. And to be fair, they were hermits. They were hiding, and Luca had reason everybody,

spk_4:   57:39
right? I mean, you know, so they could

spk_3:   57:41
have done so

spk_4:   57:41
much more. I think they could have they could have done with. I don't call it answers. I think they should have just continued on with the characters and slowly phasing out that. Like I said, it's the

spk_3:   57:50
73 25

spk_4:   57:53
right? 75 50 25. In the first movie, Blue Conley is 25% of the main storyline. The new characters come in for 25% of three times 50 50. I know you would've brought Lagerbaeck 50 50 right? And then the last movie. You phased them out and you do it in a way where it's just their time. Whether you they die or they you know they're done stuff like that or they just become, you know, like you know, like Luke Come cut becomes like a He's already join Master, but he's done for he you know, he's now the leader of the rebellion. And Leo, you know something happened. I think they could have done so much more, I

spk_1:   58:27
think really, the low I am. Essentially You played along,

spk_4:   58:30
I think. But

spk_1:   58:31
what seven you would do?

spk_3:   58:32
I don't think you have todo given the ride. I think you have just finished their story.

spk_4:   58:38
You have to respect

spk_3:   58:39
Skywatch bringing in

spk_4:   58:40
the new generation because you didn't respect them. And you just said whatever bringing the new characters. You didn't have any character development. What so ever? The new characters. I couldn't care less

spk_3:   58:51
and And I can just like those of the old characters, right, as that was an echo off sort of a look and Han solo home out. I mean, it's like

spk_4:   59:00
Kevin. They are actually echoes of two characters each right. So, you know, if you look at Finn is almost a combination of Leia and Han, you look at ratios with a combination of Luke in the home, right? You look a po. He's a combination of like Han and Leia,

spk_3:   59:19
Luke and Po

spk_4:   59:20
Han. A look, if

spk_3:   59:21
you could have done the star killer storyline, I think that what Poe was he was like like like we're on goods. You all kids toy line. We could makes it the mass. Like, how do you make Po combined? They just sort of that we didn't get in really new characters. We didn't get echoes. We got, like, these sort of repeats

spk_1:   59:42
We didn't get good article. We got baby

spk_3:   59:45
brother. I like, I would have rather had I would have been totally fine. There would have been a level of anger if it was like if Episode seven started with crawl of saying Luca layer dead like maybe it's on 100 years But maybe it's just past like their death and whatever it's like. Fucking not gonna see looking later, this sucks. Like whatever. I'm past a generation that we get all new characters like I would be hungry. That's why e e. C. That I want the angry all started instead. Luke, it started a new jet. I you know, Temple or whatever. And then 100 years old Long is gonna radio saying, Why was the writing? You got to keep that threat? Yeah, if there was like this residual sort of, you know, story of like this is coming, there's a handoff that we didn't see and that's what your solo movies are. Your solo movies Air. Go get Marc Hamel and show these little and, you know, these incidents that happened in between. But they should be leaps. And so if the new sequel trilogy was just sort of like, yeah, you know, in the crawl Luke,

spk_4:   1:0:49
I think part of the

spk_3:   1:0:49
problem Temple there's new Jet I. They're kind of trying to find their footing there, trying to figure out what's going on in the same time that's going. There's a new sort of evil that

spk_1:   1:0:57
Teoh if I promise Disney, that would be a huge, huge gamble because I really wanted to go see the force. Awakens is

spk_3:   1:1:06
the people you know what it might have been a huge gamble, but it wouldn't be a bad as it is for them, but it was also based switch. It was the onus on the trailer showing Han Solo and Chewbacca and the Millennium Falcon. All that stuff and then that happens, like halfway through the film. So they sold it to the old Florence and they delivered it to the new fans. So never coming out

spk_4:   1:1:30
of American now, that movie with you, Bruce and with me, Keith and TV and all that. They're keep loved. And I was just like, that was just Star Wars won't Did you like about that? We got nothing

spk_3:   1:1:39
new out of this whole

spk_4:   1:1:40
movie. You know, Kevin, No, again, If you're going

spk_3:   1:1:44
to bring in

spk_4:   1:1:44
new characters and do that, then you just can't even call that the Sequels that I am. The Sequels. There's

spk_1:   1:1:49
just

spk_4:   1:1:49
a whole new trilogy, you know? I mean, so if you're gonna do Sequels and have to involve Luke and Han Leia

spk_3:   1:1:55
Luke films and they were pretty cool

spk_4:   1:1:58
Well, the prequels, obviously everything is in the middle starts in the middle. And then you bring in certain characters and then you with these two, you fade certain characters out and ended. You know, you could bring in new characters, right? Upended that they're done. You basically just end everything one through. Wonderful.

spk_3:   1:2:14
Yeah, I just think the biggest thing is that they went right up after I mean everything and rise basically un does. The original trilogy doesn't sacrifice of on and I could sky will ever And we're like all that stuff. If you had leaked 100 years and just let that die right then then those old films served their purpose. Were fans of those films about the new ones Just have that detachment But they they started so quickly after And you're like You have a second like we like didn't make decimate There was all over the their massive what all these ships they have. Look at all the troops they have. Like, How are they this big like What the hell happened in the last movies? Did they accomplish anything? It's market. Everything's been undone. And then surprise that year end with, like a cast photo of everyone that made the film in early, just like, uh, I think it was

spk_4:   1:3:06
like, Where did

spk_3:   1:3:06
they go out

spk_4:   1:3:08
in the

spk_3:   1:3:08
bride's like,

spk_4:   1:3:09
Where did the fleet and riding Skywalker come from? Considering a movie before everything was

spk_3:   1:3:13
decimated, right? Yeah. I

spk_4:   1:3:18
mean, I think it's interesting, like you talked about the Sequels. Look at the prequels We got Darth Maul. Who's an amazing character. I think the biggest mistake that Lucas did was not have Darth Maul continue into a second movie of the protagonist. You know, you quite

spk_1:   1:3:34
often to make way for an Incan

spk_4:   1:3:35
right. But you could still do that and still have him around, you know? I mean, I think the other

spk_3:   1:3:40
characters I got in the door in favor all the way through that syriza or at least through hey, didn't know. I mean, to be fair, you know, you don't know how people are gonna react, what to one characters, right? Obviously, Kurt can't stand. He walks, he would pick them up in front of you, got one in front of them, right? Like he walks, he pounces on the way like a bucket and get boba fish who have, like, just a couple lines and everyone loves them. You look at Darth Maul, who is arguably the Boba Fett of the prequels. But I don't know. Do you write? Do they write that character and know that those characters gonna land that way? I don't know.

spk_4:   1:4:10
What I'm saying is at least you got

spk_3:   1:4:11
something different. Like like, yeah,

spk_4:   1:4:13
Why? God is one of the best characters. I think in the prequels. Like

spk_3:   1:4:16
he's jet. I will be like,

spk_4:   1:4:19
but he

spk_3:   1:4:19
just like my son. He's

spk_4:   1:4:21
even He's even like I don't agree with everything. And he's agenda. He's like, I just don't agree with everything on the council. He goes, I think you guys are wrong and, you know, that's one of the cool thing. You see a Jet? I was actually going against the jet. I still being a jet like

spk_3:   1:4:35
we

spk_4:   1:4:36
got nothing new like that because you hear about the jet all the time. Like Jenna, Jenna, they're doing this stuff and you see

spk_3:   1:4:43
okay, Want talk? Live

spk_4:   1:4:44
on like you're going against the council. You're doing this, and he's like, Yeah, I have a mind of my own. Like you got this different jet, I which was kind of cool. I mean, what do we get? We got cholera in is Ah, you know, temper tantrum, dark

spk_3:   1:4:55
Vader. I mean, we got

spk_4:   1:4:56
raise Luke into combat. I mean, we got nothing new. It seems like a new character. Give me something new,

spk_3:   1:5:01
and there's are a lot of late with Teoh Market. They proved it was man Laurean. You can take a character and making not eat our driver right here and no walk droid. Someone toss a question of TV. He's here for people on the audio should end every second. It was like this mind blowing summary. He's silent bombs. He delivers the

spk_4:   1:5:34
background. Phoebe, I don't like the new Woody called.

spk_1:   1:5:38
Nobody will ever know your voice. Oh, you know, there's other stuff coming from Star Wars and Lucasfilm and Disney. You know, we have the mandatory in Syria's coming seasons two and three. We have the you know who's gonna watch the documentary Siri's everybody gonna pretty much watching document. Yeah, yeah, Oh, but we have the new stuff that was announced that's coming up like the whole it was mainly books, but you know that those books or just like a launch point for the new stuff that they're going to do that. You know, we're disappointed that they're not going to go back to the old Knights of the Republic stuff there, in fact, gonna use something a little bit like it, but not really it. So are you guys still invested in Star Wars. Are you still gonna go along for the ride in whatever new stuff they put out?

spk_2:   1:6:28
I have not even watched the trailer for the new stuff. So I mean, my new stuff will be whatever they put on the Disney Plus and hopefully that really is the Obi Won Siri's that they're talking about their still the ah, I'm not sold on doing this, but, ah, I can't even think of the dude's name from when you want canniness. Yeah, they're giving him his own syriza under just on Disney Plus. But if they actually, if they actually follow through with the O. P one Siri's, I'll be good. I'm in. And like I said, you know, I'm totally cool with the way you know, I thought the season started a little slow with Clone Wars Season seven, but it's picked up, and the last couple episodes have been fantastic, much better than any of the new films. The story telling this Yeah, I mean, just the epic scale of what they've done, you know? And you know, the fact that they, you know, you guys were talking about how mall you know was such a great character. But he had, like, three lines. He was like Boba Fett. They turned him into a pretty kick ass character on that Siri's and, uh, had a rebel. Yeah, actually, I for you know, he was in there too, So yeah. So him in what was a savage, oppresses brother, You know, So

spk_3:   1:7:44
Rebels, Is it rebels? Where they go, Teoh, There's that episode where they go to malls. Planet, like his brother, is that rebels There is that calling cloned.

spk_2:   1:7:52
That's glowing sand. So Yeah, but I mean for me, you know, if if they actually followed through, there will be one serious, You know, I'll be really excited. The rest, You know, I'm gonna have to

spk_1:   1:8:04
You want to see anything else? Rey, Finn and Poe, You're not down for that

spk_2:   1:8:08
back. I saw

spk_4:   1:8:10
it once. You've got a guy who plays opposed that he's done.

spk_2:   1:8:13
I think they're all they're all done. I think we're all

spk_1:   1:8:15
I think that

spk_4:   1:8:15
he doesn't want to come back. I think he got, I think

spk_3:   1:8:18
was hit the hairs and card said Teoh, Really And talk. Come back a little bit more time to pass

spk_2:   1:8:26
yet, right? you know, But I don't think I don't think I need any more of their story. I mean, you have

spk_1:   1:8:31
animated books, nothing like you, you know?

spk_2:   1:8:34
I mean, you know, if they come up with some more animated stuff I mean, I wasn't thrilled with the way the animated look for Ah, Was it resistance? You know, I just didn't I didn't. So the animation alone just turned me already. Yeah. So I mean, so yes. So how about

spk_1:   1:8:54
the rest of you? Any interest in anything? Future Star Wars? It's not tied back to the Skywalker.

spk_3:   1:9:01
Him, I think. I think what they should. What? Disney should have done the same thing. It's like they leapt 100 years. That now is a time like if you want to carve a new path like your best opportunity is just trying. But one Understand what Star Wars is and make new stories and new characters that are not repeats, not echoes don't make you no force. Awakens is there is a rehash. And last night I was got a lot of rehash, but no, I want it. I want to see new stuff and I want to see new live action stuff, and I don't want to see a lot of retrain. I actually will be. I'll get ticket on day one. I'll give you that opportunity on the first film. But if they if they just do more of the same, if they do a repeat and with new stuff than then I'm out recording right. I'm more interested in seeing seeing new than I could. I think their handling of the old stuff is where they where they really fall short. But maybe maybe they'll do OK on new stuff. Maybe if they sit down with, like, a Kevin faggy type and say, OK, let's chart a new course. You know, Star Wars is your universe. You can write all new characters and build a whole new thing, and we're gonna do it. You know, a slate of 20 films in a decade. Fine,

spk_1:   1:10:11
jump a little bit a little bit and say, you know, reports are that they're trying to get rid of Kathleen Kennedy because of all the missteps. Maybe give the keys of the kingdom me to the day. Filoni or BAbreu, What do you got saying that

spk_4:   1:10:23
they should

spk_3:   1:10:23
have driven in the cash and add a long time ago. I mean, a long time ago.

spk_2:   1:10:29
I'm okay with that, you know? I

spk_4:   1:10:31
mean, I think one of the problems with Star Wars is that, unlike other movie Star Wars, systemically a religion almost to a lot of people. And you started off with the original trilogy's and they've established things that are very hard to get out of. Which is, for example, the Jet I nights in the light sabers, right that is almost like and I understand what Kathleen Kennedy says of this stuff like Something's air. Typical Star Wars, right? Like light sabers and fighter batting battles, Stuff like that. The man DeLorean is a good way to break away from that. What they don't demand alluring. It's great. It's taking on another aspect. I don't have any interest in the High Republic stuff. It honestly looks pretty bad to me. It just looks like it's like what Ben said. Let's take these two characters of Mattino mix and match them and stuff like that. I'm like, Oh, look a Wookie with a light saber, right? And another thing, it's just a hodgepodge of stuff I'm not interested in. I would honestly rather see. And I know Kevin. I talked about that. He made He doesn't care much about it. I want to see a baiter Siris on Dizzy. Plus, I want to

spk_1:   1:11:40
time actually animated

spk_4:   1:11:41
live action 15

spk_3:   1:11:42
years

spk_4:   1:11:43
between. I want to see some Vader stuff because if you read the comics that cup Vater comics are absolutely amazing

spk_3:   1:11:51
with resource embracing,

spk_4:   1:11:53
it also shows you how he starts to, uh, regret some stuff he did. But also, he actually has, like, a very, uh, damper always tries to find the Best apprentice. And in those comics with many times, he tries to give later killed to see Vader will survive, if not the other person. So I think there's a lot of potential with Vader Siri's and would be interesting to go from heroes. Villains. I think it would be good to see a because looking everybody, what

spk_3:   1:12:24
happened feel about that? Because you have explained. Actually, it's a brilliant idea, but the problem is that Disney has royally screwed the pooch. They've lost all rights to do that like it is in the right hands. I think it would be an awesome story, but, you know I think we keeping worry is what we still like him because I think the exciting is the last thing is the only one that they have a shot on.

spk_4:   1:12:51
But remember, at

spk_3:   1:12:51
the end of

spk_4:   1:12:52
rogue one, everybody loved that

spk_3:   1:12:54
and that way, haven't seen him be a badass. And that look at what the R equals innovator. It's like a change Vader in the first films before we have the prequels was just mystery. We had no idea who the fuck Iwas We don't know what he looked like. We didn't know anyone. We just knew he was this huge, overwhelming Lucas when he dominated the screen. And then you go back and then you make him basically kind of like what people thought Luke Skywalker was. This little kid that's complaining about sand and whatever way that doesn't many of you. Look, you look,

spk_4:   1:13:25
if you look at that character and revenge of the fifth and was pretty badass in that episode, I mean, he was He was undoing.

spk_3:   1:13:33
Things just started it. Revenge is exactly right, exactly before and by a little bit before, but, like really? Yeah, what Road one did like the prequels should have just been fader basically hunting down fucking Jenna. That's what it should have been. It should have been like, That's why I want to take the big of the Empire and get to where Luke is the new hope. And it was like this long, convoluted story to get us to that point where it's like you want to tell the story, baby. See Vader in the student. I like the end of the city. It was like he should have been in the student the end of the first movie. I mean, the second film should just been him slaughtering people in a dark film. You know, just in case that

spk_4:   1:14:13
I think he should have been. Anakin has Vader is in the second movie, and at the end of the second movie is where the fall of where, basically right. And then the third movies. When he's in the suit, I want to see Anakin as a sick not is dark Vader.

spk_2:   1:14:32
Okay. Like it,

spk_4:   1:14:34
right. So what I'm saying is, I think you could what you're saying the

spk_3:   1:14:38
money down on the

spk_4:   1:14:39
jet, I in the books and comics. They're still tons of jet. I around for like a decade.

spk_3:   1:14:46
Why I think that as Episode two, that's your dark. That's the dark middle act, right? That's what

spk_4:   1:14:50
that's what I'm saying

spk_3:   1:14:51
is it would be a great debater.

spk_4:   1:14:53
I think that would be a great Bayer Siri, because that's what the comics touch on.

spk_3:   1:14:57
And even if its authorities in a suit before he's in a suit when it's just a CIF. But he's not yet. But he just maybe you know what? Would

spk_2:   1:15:03
you bring back aid?

spk_4:   1:15:05
Actually, I

spk_1:   1:15:06
was there. I would knew him. No, you know, I

spk_4:   1:15:12
think most of the time,

spk_3:   1:15:13
yeah, I would meet

spk_1:   1:15:15
him in the suit. I mean, even the

spk_4:   1:15:17
bubble in the bucket tank,

spk_3:   1:15:18
I think the actors get a lot. I get a lot of, you know, wear like Iron Man, where it's like, all of sudden, you've got, like, see Aiden space, and it's like, Well, like what you are like you is inside. Soon we're gonna go rubble. You interesting that. Yeah. And rubble display inside Sam.

spk_1:   1:15:39
That would be so eso and it sounds like most of you aren't so I'll wrap up with what Kevin suggested, and, you know, we'll end on a high note on a happy note. So give one thing that you're happy about Star Wars in its future, so we'll start reversed. Kurt, give me one thing that's it's positive about Star Wars going forward,

spk_2:   1:16:05
that there's potential for a, um, McGregor Siri's you know, that's That's the one positive for make. That's the one high note for me is that that's still that's still potentially out there. You know,

spk_4:   1:16:16
it's gonna be hard to do.

spk_2:   1:16:18
Um, and so what?

spk_1:   1:16:20
You mean Jimmy? How so?

spk_4:   1:16:21
Well, technically, he's so he's on tattooing watching Luke. So you're gonna have to basically do two things. You got to write it toe where he can't draw attention to that planet, period. So it's gonna have to be on the world stuff and other things. And people looking for Luke or other source of things make a better way to do to get him off the planet. Why you just say, Hey, you know Uncle Ben, I'm going away for a week. You're in charge of the enemy for the most part. If you really go by the first movie,

spk_3:   1:16:48
then it

spk_4:   1:16:48
really wasn't even.

spk_3:   1:16:50
He was just there. I think

spk_4:   1:16:52
he wasn't totally there

spk_3:   1:16:53
to

spk_4:   1:16:53
watch Luke, and that would happen in the prequel. You know he did.

spk_1:   1:16:58
But actually, yeah, what a

spk_2:   1:17:02
vacation. Every once in a while

spk_1:   1:17:04
or something, there's something dire enough to get him off. Playing it for were like, Let's urchin episodes like he the use for like, a fun item. It's, I don't

spk_4:   1:17:13
think it has to be 10 episodes that coincide. I think you could break it up into a couple like, you know, like little snippets of like, you know, he's doing this and this happened one year and three years later, another threat. Compton. That happens. And he goes again.

spk_1:   1:17:28
Maybe, but I think they want continuity. So I would What I would do it in one season is the stakes of Big enough to make him believe he goes only

spk_4:   1:17:36
friendly amount of seasons, right? Yeah,

spk_3:   1:17:38
yeah, on I grew that they should be doing. I don't think we should be going back to anybody. It's like every time you go back and deal with the character, you have so many years of expectation built into it. No one liked what Hayden Christensen did for Darth Vader, and I guarantee you as soon as you make an Obi one. Kenobi Siri's Someone's not gonna like a decision that they make it. It's like Stop going back. That's how we feel about 79 nickel examples of who those characters are. Let's just go forward. Stop going. Well, the good

spk_4:   1:18:04
thing is, the guy who's playing Obi Wan is still the guy who's playing over.

spk_3:   1:18:08
He's great. He's Oh, yeah, like That was pretty right? Carrie Fisher and Harrison area are going

spk_4:   1:18:16
by the writing. I

spk_2:   1:18:18
think that she just met Afford I thought you was the highlight of the first year with

spk_3:   1:18:22
I was the best casting ever. Like Aziz casting someone else as another character. Hands down movie history. I think that was probably one of the best castings ever.

spk_2:   1:18:37
I mean, the rumor is it has to do with the Raiders.

spk_4:   1:18:40
TV was getting in the X wing. He was going back

spk_3:   1:18:42
with way off. That was J. B. E. Wants to have any kind of future they should keep with this. Like, I think one of the best things that made um, what really held man DeLorean was that it was it had little ties and threads. The things that were going on within the universe. Yep. You know, it's like it's almost kind of like, you know, it's like, Oh, Lukes about to get thrown into a star like pit. You know, this man Laurean is saving this little, you know, yoga. But I know that's not the timeline whatsoever. I'm just, you know, it's like I think don't have any characters that we know but keep you in these university right in the middle of like, Well, this is going on. This is going on kind of thing. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern kind of thing. I think it's to keep those ties like which I That's kind of how I've ill educated Pirker man DeLorean. Yes.

spk_1:   1:19:52
Okay, cool. And Jamie, What is your positive take away for Star Wars going forward? Video games,

spk_4:   1:19:57
you know? No, I mean, I think the TV is this stuff is gonna save it. I mean, if you you cannot like, if you ask me, I think Disney with the movies damaged the I p more than they possibly could have imagined. I

spk_3:   1:20:10
think there

spk_4:   1:20:10
are people in Disney that know that I think there is obviously a movement within Disney to get rid of Kennedy and other people there. I think the positive is that the man DeLorean seems to be undoing a lot of the damage and you have a chance to get some people who are a little more in the floor in the can and who worked with Lucas, who can kind of bring back that vision. I think Obi Wan, it will be what probably turns the corner. But I think didn't he should stay away from movies for five years. I don't think they should go back to the movies. I think they should let a TV Star Wars, I think nowadays, and I think most stuff now they fits better with TV, and I think that they can do a lot more healing. I hate to say it, but healing by doing that stuff. And I think also they

spk_3:   1:21:02
could do a lot

spk_4:   1:21:02
better by going back and doing stuff like this for people who like the old films and bring back some cool toys and other things for people to collect and kind of

spk_1:   1:21:12
from a merchandising

spk_4:   1:21:13
for merchandising standpoint, because I think they do didn't weird. I know we're not into this stuff But I do think somebody has to work with Star Wars and Hasbro to figure out what the heck they're doing with their toy line and other stuff because none of it makes sense. I don't know who's advising people to put certain things out. I mean, the shells air filled with stuff that nobody wants.

spk_3:   1:21:35
E. It was

spk_4:   1:21:36
interesting to say that, you know

spk_1:   1:21:38
well, a couple of TV

spk_4:   1:21:40
TV posit

spk_1:   1:21:41
Kevin, what's your positive take so positive? Take on where I think they should go are something positive about what they've done something, something positive for where they go next. We're doing.

spk_3:   1:21:55
I'm with Jamie. I think I think television gives you the you know that. That's the medium that you explore. You know, we get to test sort of things. I think when you when you put the big tent pole production up, I think there's a lot riding on it, and I think you can take bigger risks and television, and I think that you can kind of explore other things and people also view it in a slightly different lens. You know, you don't view the TV series, you don't have the same expectations of the film, so they want to put flashbacks in or they wanna do something stylistically different in the films. We sort of forgive it. So I think the were in the exploring, you know, the exploration of oratory. However, I would say with that said there should be a limit. I don't want a 67 season of man DeLorean that ends like game of Thrones, where it's like it landed nowhere where anyone expects it to go test it, do a season, maybe to get out of it, go somewhere else, explore the ideas. If you if it's successful, then carry it over to the movies. Don't just continue that. Oh, a suit read through the Siri's. OK, don't have a cat. Yeah, out there, you're testing it. You're seeing what? What's successful and you're going. Okay. You guys like this, Okay, we're gonna continue it in the in the the cinema world. We're gonna now make a Siri's based off of this because it's proven that would

spk_2:   1:23:15
hold on. So you think that the smaller productions jumping to the bigger you know, like, let's throw a whole lot more money at these. You don't think that might cause an issue with some of the storytelling and some of the other stuff because I kind of like the smaller scale that is,

spk_3:   1:23:30
I do, too. But let's let's say man DeLorean runs. You know, they've already gotten extension right there instead. OK, you get reproduction. And then how many episodes for season? What is that, like a a way of 16 more episodes coming? And maybe it's gonna conclude we don't know. Shut up. Maybe they're going to set it to where it naturally sort of end itself. Or maybe they just say. But if if it continues on the trajectory, that it's already started right where we're we're all kind of like, OK, I'm in for what you're throwing out here. Like I don't love everything, but I like the majority of it. If it gets to a point where it says Okay, we've gotten through all the small stories, and now we sort of set up something that can be bigger. And then you move it. Yes, absolutely. Cause you've now moved a built in audience from your streaming service into the movies. Okay. I mean, if you want that I should do what they should do is they should do. Like so, Like, you know, the final episode of Man DeLorean. Season two, that you gotta go see in the theater, making a big like it's a hand. You know, our epic movie like throw shit makes

spk_1:   1:24:41
money off. They could do some money.

spk_3:   1:24:43
You're gonna get it like it's like that's, like, battles like Batman animated, Serious stuff. You know where to get all your episodes and yet your big sort of one off that you put in the theater. But I would almost view it is like this. The Siri's would be kind of like the prequels. Right? So this is your back story. This is building the sort of universe, right? The character building. And then then we build towards some major event where we go, Okay, Now we're gonna hand it off, and we're going to this bigger production. So you're going to see this massive war? Whatever we've been building up to, that's gonna be in the theater. And there's no reason that you that's what it should be. Instead of it being like to see that worship all of Star Wars being like Okay, the prequels, they're gonna be movies like No, no, no. If you want these back stories like the Obi Wan and whatever that's TV shows, so all the fillings should be smaller exploratory productions. And then once you realize that you're on the right half and you're getting a good reaction, then do the big land in the cinema, you know, that's I mean, that's what I think they should be doing. I think the

spk_1:   1:25:42
one like that for a good test subject, what they should do is clone wars like that. That last episode wasn't the final episode. Right

spk_2:   1:25:50
now there's one more episode tomorrow.

spk_1:   1:25:52
If they were smart, they would have. Would have done for that last episodes. Make it. I mean, they couldn't have money money now, because of Kobe, But they should have made that theatrical. And that would be a test like

spk_3:   1:26:02
way tomorrow called Theatrical movie.

spk_2:   1:26:05
Yeah, and and it sucked compared Teoh. But that

spk_1:   1:26:10
was done before the series. So now you've got all these people wear series after

spk_2:   1:26:15
and the finale The finale airs tomorrow,

spk_1:   1:26:18
right? And so they if they were smart, what they would do What do you do it? If they were smart, what they would have done. It was

spk_3:   1:26:25
Thanks. TV looking

spk_4:   1:26:27
back. And

spk_1:   1:26:28
it looks weird when you're third back TV. It looks like you're like Eaton's up. Or like Weird. Um, what they would have done would have been Blair Witch. Regular time is just basically, you know, elevating that to a theatrical and

spk_3:   1:26:42
I don't know about I don't know about doing a handoff in this in the current season. Like I don't know, like street. Like I'm gonna string you along for seven episodes, but eight, you got to go pay for building the backstory and being like, OK, we've got it you're in. Now let's move it. Zzz TV is a little

spk_4:   1:27:00
more forgiving No, too, because you don't feel like you go to the movies and you wasted your money, right, Because you have episodes to make up stuff for 18 0 so that's one thing that anything is. This man brought this up. I wonder how disease gonna approach a lot of stuff, especially with you know, the new theme parks. Right? Those being part of the attendance has been abysmal for that. So again, that is something I have to look at and go. What happened How did we go from? This was supposed to be this huge thing. They have to look internally at what they're doing. You know, the name is with the people who are running,

spk_1:   1:27:36
but they have to get it. They have to get away from the characters and they have to get it.

spk_3:   1:27:39
They maybe people don't give a shit. I'll and write down your throat.

spk_1:   1:27:46
They've got to sell. They've got to sell that. I want to be in the Star Wars universe. I want to find that they got the Falcon.

spk_3:   1:27:52
Right. But the universe can't just be the new films. I don't know why you're finding again. You find something you regret. I mean, look realistic There

spk_4:   1:28:03
they needed the Cantina Cantina. You know, you needed Cloud City. You needed EchoBay.

spk_1:   1:28:08
See them doing that. Pivot I whoever

spk_2:   1:28:10
inherits against a lot of money give it

spk_1:   1:28:13
well, but really a long game. It's the longing like location memory inherits that they just gotta focus on like Jamie said the experience like OK, if I make this canteen area for adults ish, you know, is a place you can go and have a hammer head. You know, the fired, like, you

spk_3:   1:28:33
know, maybe there, maybe the rides or some kind of whatever, but I mean, changing out storm trooper costumes and whatever and wanted to obor because the set pieces don't necessarily right. It's just what's what's decorating

spk_1:   1:28:45
a push that no push the characters running around, push toe, push the environments of like me. I'll give you a chance to actually

spk_3:   1:28:53
speak Teoh if they build something like Atlanta could serious. So TV what? You're positive take for the don't know. Have you guys been to Atlantis? But I think there's something positive. You know, I'm glad I won't be here in bitching from you guys. I could take you that you're

spk_2:   1:29:14
still gonna hear that happened today. So here, that one.

spk_5:   1:29:18
Who? Maybe three. Maybe

spk_3:   1:29:20
Nell. He is, anyway. But, um e I love it. All right. You just love that. It's a way that wasn't an answer. Yeah. Said

spk_4:   1:29:35
he loved even McDonald.

spk_2:   1:29:39
Wow. You know, that's a part of the new man

spk_3:   1:29:42
in the lorry. In the off anyway. Yes, I am looking forward to because I was the first was on it. Remember that? I told you guys is like a Western When you doing things like the Western. Guess what? You get a good Siri's. That's why Star Wars. It's a Western, but it's like it's hitting the archetypes that Lucas was kind of into, right? What I g. Western was one of the Western Samurai, so strapped for

spk_1:   1:30:08
me, my positive take away is just that I I think that they do. It looks like someone said before they need to Kevin fighting. They need somebody better than Kathleen Kennedy to be the Kevin five years. So whether it's baloney in favor or somebody else, because I don't know that Filoni a favor are the best choices. I know they care, and I know they love it, and I think they'll be caretakers of it if they get somebody like five, he to be the one voice because that's that's basically the take away we have from 789 is that there was no cohesive vision. There was no like ASB, as the prequels were. At least Lucas had, like so start down here was Gen. John blinding individual Darth Vader. Anakin Skywalker is kicking ass, and he's I

spk_4:   1:30:52
mean, that's what Ben said. I'm actually shocked like that. That's amateur hour. You know, like I can't believe they went that direction.

spk_3:   1:30:59
I mean,

spk_4:   1:31:00
it's absolutely unbelievable.

spk_1:   1:31:01
So I hope is that they get their act together toe to have a cohesive vision and voice four Star Wars in the future. That's that's just

spk_3:   1:31:10
honestly, my hope. My hope is that they put someone in charge that didn't get dicked over by some nerve Star Wars boyfriend and then wanted to destroy his world. I think that I

spk_4:   1:31:32
think they should honestly bring. I mean, what do you guys think about bringing Lucas back? I mean, not as the person

spk_3:   1:31:37
who runs it touches and you can tell

spk_4:   1:31:39
us out of this

spk_1:   1:31:41
world. And he's He's a good producer. Really?

spk_3:   1:31:46
Yeah. I think that the top of a table on someone's presenting ideas and presenting stuff, and he's like this minutes that doesn't fit, you know, it's just the ultimate sort of like it comes. Oversee. No, don't go that direction. Games he walk. Yeah, but other people I do think other people you dated, it's Yeah, just me and Mikey. The

spk_4:   1:32:11
one who's gonna tell you if it division are not real

spk_2:   1:32:14
quick about Kevin, about Kevin, Whatever fight you bragging. You know, he had years of built in history with all those characters he took over Karenga. He's not gonna have that if he takes over Star Wars. You know, the way you guys want with all new characters, all new stuff. I don't I don't know if he could handle that. I don't think he should be

spk_1:   1:32:37
given the keys. And there's rumors that too. I don't think he should be given Star Wars. That's too much. But

spk_2:   1:32:41
it's marvelous. Zone is you like to play

spk_3:   1:32:46
some kind of role in it only because he knows how to manage that involved. I think you gotta think about It's like if you're talking about I don't know the started was to go this far. But if you you know, if I was like, Oh my God, I've gotta keep 25 films Inter tangled together and perfectly balanced You know what I mean? Like,

spk_2:   1:33:10
I mean, and they weren't all perfectly he's that he

spk_3:   1:33:12
doesn't have the Star Wars connection and, like, you know, like you does the marvel, but he's done it before, but I think you have the keys, but I think he should be part of the team. Let me make one like I don't manage this well. One. I don't think find you should be the guy that should be getting it because I think he's got the need to leave him alone a marble, not overload that guy. Find their but to go to your point because you know you raise a really good point on like Look, he's coming in with existing characters. Existing canning. He's got a toy box, right? But we're asking for new characters and new stories that is sort of like, Well, they don't really have the same advantage that marble has, right? They back catalogue bacon dip into. But then you could sit there, encounter and say, Well, what about Star Trek? Star Trek didn't have all these characters that keep coming up with new Siri's and new characters and new directions, and that's not from some toy box that exists back behind them. They always move forward. They take the premise of what it is and they move. They go forward with it, and that's that storm we should be doing. It should be taking the overall consensus of what Star Wars is but going in new directions

spk_2:   1:34:16
If you go that route than the new. The new Siri's really aren't the old Star Trek, though, right? You know. So it's

spk_3:   1:34:23
I don't want that. I don't want the new Star Wars to be the old Star Wars. We see what happens when they fucked with old Star Wars. Get away. So I think I think the difference between Star Wars and Star Trek is that everything that's ever done and start struggled in a good battery. Whatever. Next week, everything that someone Star Trek is they appreciate how former and university Max, and it takes it to another level. Yuka likes powers, has never done that for hours, doing nothing like Baby Galaxy Far, far Away. But it's really like this big, this guy walking. No wonder six s

spk_2:   1:34:59
and it's over.

spk_4:   1:35:01
The thing is, they have a toy box. They have a huge, huge boy box for Star Wars. The

spk_3:   1:35:08
thing is, they

spk_4:   1:35:08
they completely ignored

spk_3:   1:35:10
it. Right? Had

spk_4:   1:35:11
excellent writers, excellent comic books, all this stuff and my plan This should it You didn't have to do anything. You should have just brought Lucas in, and you should have broads on, and I'm not saying you dues on stories, but Don could have written

spk_2:   1:35:24
You're on.

spk_4:   1:35:25
Ah, 100 time. I mean exactly. Because at the end of the day, the few red the three thrown books that came after in the nineties, they gave you new Star Wars, but with a villain that had nothing to do with the force. In fact, it was the anti force. He was just a tactical genius. And it was great how they worked in how to basically get around just being all powerful. There was a lot of cool stuff that they did and take completely ignored it.

spk_3:   1:35:52
They had to go that way. But they had other stuff, too, that they could have

spk_4:   1:35:56
Dino 20 years of writings and book in game. Didn't they just decide to redo?

spk_3:   1:36:02
They ignored everything we know already that do

spk_1:   1:36:04
it all out.

spk_4:   1:36:06
And that's why Marble succeeded because they didn't throw that history out. You know

spk_3:   1:36:10
he didn't want for his eyes. Only slapped this on the box. You have been a cell. It exactly

spk_2:   1:36:17
my They might come after you for the mast. No copyright infringement

spk_3:   1:36:24
as where

spk_4:   1:36:25
I need more. The

spk_1:   1:36:26
I was gonna say this whole. This whole episode is copyright infringement. What you talking about? But we're in that they're in in our first podcast with, uh, that note and Ah, thanks, guys. For being on Well, we don't know how often we'll get to do. I love that glass. Those of you just listening way We can't show you the things that are that have been popping up of bins sided things, but ah, but we appreciate you listening. If you're listening in and appreciate all you gotta do anus and we'll try and get these out. At least

spk_3:   1:37:00
one always things popping up on my screen.

spk_1:   1:37:05
But what do I do? He's bored. I love you guys and we'll talk soon.

spk_2:   1:37:11
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spk_3:   1:37:12
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spk_0:   1:37:21
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