Anabolic Academy with John Livia and Jason Arntz

What is the most dangerous drugthat bodybuilders use?
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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:31

Yo.

SPEAKER_00 0:32

Hey, there you are.

SPEAKER_01 0:34

What's up, man? What's going on? How you feeling?

SPEAKER_00 0:37

Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_01 0:38

Are you uh are you recuperating? Do we doing better? Progress?

SPEAKER_00 0:43

So the process of this, what's up, good? The process of this is the nerves that have been damaged.

SPEAKER_02 0:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:53

During the regeneration phase, it's just fucking painful too.

SPEAKER_01 0:59

Really? Oh man.

SPEAKER_00 1:02

I was really I was in extreme case. I was in extreme case. So just as one area is getting better and the nerve grows, it's hurting a different area.

SPEAKER_01 1:13

Oh it's just it's fucking rough to but I'm sorry to one day at a time. Are they uh giving me a little what's that? Any painkillers or anything?

SPEAKER_00 1:26

No, I they really don't do anything. They gave me gabapetin, which I'll I'll take it before bed just to take it, you know. And uh they gave me uh flexol, cyclobenzoprine.

SPEAKER_01 1:42

I don't know, never heard of that shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:43

Uh yeah, it's like it's a muscle muscle relaxer.

SPEAKER_01 1:48

All right. Oh well, I'm feeling sexy. Good for you. Yeah, I'm feeling sexy. Yeah, I've been, you know, I've been doing a lot of Pilates, you know. Have you? No, but I've been going to Phyllis's Pilates Palace in the Palisades. Yeah, I want to see those guys from Diamond Gym come over and do Pilates at Phyllis Pilates. Did you know that when you worked out at Diamond Gym and when you were a champion bodybuilder, did you know that you worked out at the most dangerous gym in the world? Um you didn't know that at the time.

SPEAKER_00 2:28

Yeah, I mean I kind of had an idea.

SPEAKER_01 2:33

They got landmines in there, man. You step on a landline, right? Guess that guy's not renewing his membership.

SPEAKER_00 2:41

I mean, at that time, I remember, you know, there was a gas station right next door. Uh and uh that place was getting robbed like once in a while.

SPEAKER_01 2:52

Oh, yeah, it was not a nice neighborhood. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it is a great gym. I mean, you know, yeah, every once in a while I just go and pay for the day and train because it's only about 20 minutes away from me, and it's just that old school hardcore, you know, feel that every once in a while I'd like to get back into and you know, really just train and uh and uh you know, not think of anything. It really is uh, you know, listen, it's been around since what 74, 1974? Something like that. You gotta be doing something right, right? All right. So the title of this video is The Most Dangerous Drug in Bodybuilding, and we're gonna talk about it. I actually did a little bit of of research. So what we're gonna talk about is it's actually DNP. So let me just go down uh a little bit of the research that I I did, and then I'm gonna just pass the ball to you, like on the point guard, and then you're gonna score, right? So DNP is 24 dinatrol phenol. Dinatrope phenol. Yeah, that's how you pronounce it, right? I well, okay, whatever. 24 dinatrope phenol. All right. Are you close enough? Close enough. Yeah, I'm not good with these. Uh you gotta hear me on my other channel when I'm trying to pronounce like you know, the like foreign names. Forget it. I just skip right over. Anyway, apparently this was used as an explosive agent in uh during World War I in a French ammunition factory. They also have used it in pesticides, wood preservatives, and uh die. So in 1933, they did this research study at Stanford University, and they came out with this weight loss pill and they marketed this weight loss pill, and they uh apparently the over 100,000 people had took the pill in the United States and abroad, and by 1938, the U.S. government banned banned the substance because of the extreme side effects and death. Right?

SPEAKER_00 4:56

So you know, when that happens, dude, it's like you kind of just you gotta put you gotta put that warning label on it.

SPEAKER_01 5:03

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So they skipped over the warning label and they went, nah, we're not doing this anymore. So apparently, um, it was said that uh you could lose you could lose one pound of fat per day, but the here are the list of side effects from using DNP: being lethargic, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, increased pulse, severe dehydration, so bad that you have kidney damage and limer liver damage, cataracts, depression, death. And there was actually one study with somebody that was hospitalized for DNP and his temperature was as high as 107 degrees. Yeah. So now I'm handing the ball off to you because you um knew people that used uh DNP, and um I want to know when so that was the research, but I we'd like to know some real world uh experience which you have. So go right ahead.

SPEAKER_00 6:05

Well, I've never used it, you know, nor nor would I or nor would I ever recommend anybody use it. Excuse me. Now I know this was used in explosives uh for miners, not not underage kids, real miners, guys that go into the miners. Not like our government.

SPEAKER_02 6:32

Yeah, yeah, that's that's true.

SPEAKER_00 6:35

So these miners will go and they'd they'd blow holes in these caves, you know, looking for coal, diamonds, etc. And they'd be in there for a couple days and they'd come out. And from breathing in all the fumes from the explosives, they were inhaling all this DNT. Um, and dude, they was they would come out and they were shredded. They saw it as that's where it kind of peaked. Well, that's the side that I heard from it. I didn't hear the side that you just mentioned.

SPEAKER_02 7:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 7:03

Um, so from there they took it and they looked into what's going on with these guys that's causing this reaction. Guys who are getting sick, dehydrated, kidney failure, liver failure, you know, just all the all the side effects that you that you mentioned. The guys that would normally go into these mines and come out okay, now that they're using this explosive, all these all these bad reactions are happening, right? So they looked into it and it was it was the chemical compound DNP that was in the dynamite in the explosives, and they were inhaling it. And it was just in the air there since you know the whole time they were down there. And uh that that's how it turned into, you know, some uh somebody with looking for dollar signs turned it into a weight loss drug or a weight loss pill. And uh here we are, you know, God knows how many years later, and it's still being used.

SPEAKER_01 8:00

Yeah. Well, once the uh internet came about and everybody everybody was able to, you know, order illegal substances through the internet, it like kind of like came back on the scene, and people started talking about it in the late 90s and early 2000s. And um, I know Armada DB was on iron ogs, he was talking about it with King Kamali. King said he never used it. Armand said he never had to use it because he always had a a good uh reaction as far as uh weight loss, so he never had to use it. He always had a good metabolism, but he said that he did give it to a couple of people that he trusted um about 15 years ago that he was training, and uh after that um he decided that to never you know uh tell anybody to use it again. Um, I also know that uh I believe Dorian Haywood had tried it in in the past, but he, you know, you know, the thing with bodybuilders and I think athletes in general, uh we kind of touched on it a little bit last week, me, Lee, and um Kensen. They will and it they extreme athletes will try anything if they're gonna give them an advantage, and they really will just deal with the side effects. They don't, it's unfortunate, but a lot of them don't look at the downside, they just go, Oh, I could take this and I can get shredded um for uh for the contest or whatever. Yeah, you know what? I I'm I'm smart enough, I have self-control. Let me try it. I also understand that it, you know, if it uh it eats through the plastic bag that it's in, it corrodes your fingers if you touch it. Like it um I I've heard like awful things. Uh I don't think you could put it in plastic because it it eats through the plastic, if if I'm accurate.

SPEAKER_00 9:44

But no, they they do have it in capsules. And if you touch the capsule, like it immediately stains your skin, so it goes through. I mean, I'm sure the capsules are you know easily, easily dissolved once you ingest them. Um but then it's a dangerous drug, and and and for people to resort to that, it's it's really an extreme. But you know, like you mentioned, you know, athletes, and dude, I'm I'm I'm guilty of it. Oh, we all know the show. Yeah, we we get in the moment and we're we're training or competing for something. Oh, dude, I'll take this. I don't give a shit if it's gonna give me an edge. Just let me have it, let me have it, right? Right, and you do it, and you know, when you're in that moment, you know, it's like when you meet a girl at the bar, you know, and you take her back, and uh, yeah, sure, we're a condom, we know each other, you know. We've we've known each other for a half an hour. I I guess we're good. Right. These are unnecessary risks, yeah. And um, that we all take when we're in that frame of mind, dude. And it's it's dangerous.

SPEAKER_01 10:49

Yeah, uh, before we went on, I looked up uh you know DNP and I saw Paul Barnett, he's been on the show before, great guy. And he has a short on YouTube basically saying, do not you'd have to be crazy to use it. Don't use it. He said, if anything, use red at true tide, use clembuterol, use um T3. Don't ever try that. Somebody apparent somebody apparently had messaged him. He didn't know if he was trolling him and said that he has, you know, he has uh he's 40 pounds overweight and he wants to lose 40 pounds of body fat. He's thinking about using a DNP and he didn't know if he was trolling him or not. But his advice was don't touch it. King Kamali was the same way. His advice was I would never use it, I would never tell anybody to use it. And what's funny is that with all the research, with all the research and all these champion bodybuilders that have true tried and tested, you Kamali, Paul Barnett, go down the list, Palumbo, Armana DB, people still fucking use it. Yeah, and I really think I I think that we are just a species that's destined to be extinct. I really do, because you know it's just no matter what, like uh oh, oh, it'll give me an advantage. Okay, wait a minute. One of the side effects are death, yeah. I I'll deal with that.

SPEAKER_00 12:08

Not to me, not to me, the other guy, right?

SPEAKER_01 12:11

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00 12:12

Everybody thinks that it's not gonna affect them, right? It's gonna get the other guy, not me.

SPEAKER_01 12:18

Yeah, yeah. I mean, a hundred according to that um one study where the guy went into the hospital for using DNP, 107 degrees uh body temperature when he went in there. He was in there for several days. And instead of damage, um it actually said that it had um he had extreme personality change afterwards, depression, anxiety, to the point where it was uh really difficult for him to just just get on with his day.

SPEAKER_00 12:51

Um man probably did damage to his brain.

SPEAKER_01 12:54

Yeah, that's what it sounds like. Yes, yeah, that's what it absolutely sounds like. It's unbelievable. Did you ever know anybody who used it? Yeah, I knew dude, I knew a plenty of people that used it. Do you know did you know anybody who used it and got good results and or terrible results?

SPEAKER_00 13:11

Well, you know, the funny thing is I I can't intelligently answer that. Okay, because nobody's gonna tell you they're the one that got fucked up, you know what I mean? Like most people aren't gonna, oh yeah, you still was fine, it was fine, right? Meanwhile, you know, they they have uh you know liver damage, you know, or or or their organs aren't fucking working properly, right? You know, nobody's gonna nobody's really gonna admit that they're the idiot that fucked up. Um, but anytime I've heard people mention like, dude, what do you got? Your fucking mind?

SPEAKER_02 13:48

Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:50

Like is dieting that hard, like if dieting is that hard, you you picked the wrong fucking sport, dude. Go do something else. Yeah, like you you need that much of a fucking advantage to step on stage. Like it's bad enough, it's bad enough some of the shit we do, right?

SPEAKER_02 14:08

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 14:09

And that's more long-term damage than anything, right? Right, this is immediate, yeah, yeah. You know, at least with long-term damage, you know, when you're done, you know, there's things you could do to treat that or to counteract that or to make it better. You know, this is fucking it's like rushing roulette, dude. You're gonna catch you're gonna catch a round, and that's it.

SPEAKER_01 14:36

No, absolutely. Um, all right. So, do you know how it actually works? Because apparently, uh Spillage Village uh actually said it uh pretty much exactly that it uncouples ATP production.

SPEAKER_00 14:49

He's right, yeah, he's absolutely right.

SPEAKER_01 14:51

All right, so go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 14:53

No, he he's right that it damages your ATP, um ATP production, and and dude, you you did you pretty much liquefy your insides and your and your body temperature gets so so high that dude, your fucking brain melts, your organs melt, you have liver failure, kidney failure.

SPEAKER_01 15:12

I've also heard of people that I've also I'm on a db sit told a story on inogs. He actually said that he had a he knew had a friend who was using it, and the guy would have to actually um lay in bed on on when he was sleeping on on plastic, like plastic covers because he would soak right through the yeah, because he would sweat so much and he would soak right through. And I mean, I remember when um I used to use trend that that was bad enough with the night sweats. I can only imagine, you know, um what this does because the trend with the night sweats was horrible. I mean, we have to get up out to change my clothes, and I'm like, this is awful.

SPEAKER_00 15:50

That's more of a heart rate issue. Your blood pressure's up, your body's pumping, things are burning, things are activating, it's severely androgenic. This is you know, an extreme temperature rise, right? You know, in your body, you know. Um, and anything after 105 degrees, dude, you could have brain damage.

SPEAKER_01 16:12

No, it's it's it's it's just it's just crazy. I would they had you know, I'd love to look it up uh and do some research on the actual psychology of an extreme athlete and why they are so willing to um we're fucked up.

SPEAKER_00 16:27

I'll tell you, I've I've said that from that's the diagnosis.

SPEAKER_01 16:31

You're fucked up, geez.

SPEAKER_00 16:32

Well, we all are, dude. Any pro, anything to you know, to be an extreme, yeah, and anything, you know, and I I say that laughing, you know, not really that funny, but uh dude, we're all fucked up, you know. We all do stupid shit, you know.

SPEAKER_01 16:49

Yeah, it's like it's like when you're hungover and you throw up and you go, I am never gonna drink again until tomorrow. And think the next weekend comes and you do it all over again.

SPEAKER_00 17:00

Yeah, dude. My brother did my brother when I was I might have been a junior in high school. We got a phone call, my brother's in the hospital. Okay, yeah, he he was drinking the hell is he drinking? Um Southern Comfort.

SPEAKER_01 17:18

Oh god, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:20

He reached like a point two five, point four alcohol level, right?

SPEAKER_02 17:28

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 17:28

Um, lost consciousness. Me and my mother, we get to the hospital, they had to pump his stomach. The doctor comes out and uh my mother's like, you know, how is he? How's my son? He's like, Oh, are you Mrs. Orange? She goes, Yeah, how's my son? He goes, uh, who are you? She's like, How's my son? He goes, Can you guys sit down for me a second? This is my colleague, Dr. So and so. So, dude, like I sat down, I'm fucking just like falling out of his eat. I'm thinking my brother's dead, you know. So he says, Here's what's here's what's going on. Um, we won't know till he wakes up um if he did any type of brain damage because his his blood alcohol level was so high. So then he comes out of it, and my mother and I are sitting there, it's you know, four in the morning at this point, you know. Right, right, right. And uh we tell him what happened, and the first thing he says is like, well, I guess I'm not gonna drink that much anymore.

SPEAKER_01 18:28

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No shit. Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_00 18:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:33

Is he okay now? No. I don't know. He's a complete mess. Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 18:43

I don't have I don't have much of a relationship with with my family.

SPEAKER_01 18:47

So uh joined the club. Yeah, unbelievable. Um, all right, so back to uh the DNP. Um I actually saw a uh video where they actually it's um it's very flammable too. Like it's explosive, dude. Yeah, it you get like you could literally take it and just light a match and the whole thing just yeah, didn't I mention that earlier?

SPEAKER_00 19:10

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:11

But but seeing it, saying it and seeing it are two different things, right? Right, right. You know, but so when you actually do it right now, I'm looking it up.

SPEAKER_00 19:19

It says right, not fit for human consumption.

SPEAKER_01 19:22

Yeah, that should be your first fucking sign, your first red flag by health authorities worldwide, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:30

Yeah, just high risk of fatal, uncontrollable hyper hyperthermia, overheating, and no known antidote. So they can't even do anything. Oh, yes, yes, you know, if you if you take heroin, they could give you uh narcan, you know.

SPEAKER_01 19:48

Oh, right, yes, okay, yes, yes, I hear what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:51

There's something if you're blood out now, there's something I forgot what it's called, but it could lower your blood alcohol level, right?

SPEAKER_02 19:57

Right.

SPEAKER_00 19:58

There's injections, inhalers, um stuff you could drink, um, deliver intravenously that will that'll be an antidote, you know, for poisons. For if you're poison, alcohol poisoning, right? Right, right, right, right, yeah. There's no antidote for this. None. It's just so you're on your own.

SPEAKER_01 20:16

Yeah, right. It just it just it just baffles, it baffles me. But you know, I'm a huge bodybuilding fan. And there came a time, maybe I'm just not I knew my limitations. Uh, we we've talked about this, you and I, plenty of times. That an NPC level, I was able to win an overall at an NPC level, at an L, you know, like at a muscle beach, like I did at your show. But once I got to a national level, I I knew I wasn't gonna be able to compete with those guys. So I never thought that I never had this idea of, well, if I use this, and if I use that, if I use this, if I use that, and to do it, you know, there might be a possibility. I just never thought it was worth it.

SPEAKER_02 21:00

Right.

SPEAKER_01 21:01

I said it's not it's not worth it. And I remember the the drug that I said it wasn't worth it was insulin. You know, uh, and I remember going to uh two different trainers, and I wanted to do like the Masters, Nationals, and uh well, whatever the national level shows were. And both of them were like, Would you ever use insulin? And I said, No, I never used uh insulin before. But at that point, I was already you know 35, and I said to myself, okay, I'm gonna use insulin on top of everything else that I'm using. I'm gonna spend all this money, I'm gonna go get my ass handed to me, most likely, because the most I ever weighed on stage was like 181, you know. And I just said to myself, it's not worth it. And I'm not gonna be able to make a living if by some crazy stretch of imagination I'm able to. Get a pro card now. Why? You know what I I stand on stage next to somebody like you and I just get blown away. Like it wasn't going to so to me uh like if uh it's just not worth it. Uh if you have to do things that extreme for for yourself to think that you're going to cross the next line, you're probably not meant to. You know, when you see somebody like Lee Priest or what he looked like at 14 years old, or uh you see somebody like Arnold Schwarzenegger, what he looked like. He was winning, you know, Mr. Universe at 19, right? You see what these guys look like. You know, I'm sure even you at, you know, at a very young age had a tremendous athletic. You could tell you're meant to be a bodybuilder, right? And then you had these people that just love bodybuilding, but they they can't balance it. They just can't balance life and bodybuilding. And to me, bodybuilding was was always fun. I always enjoyed going to the gym. I always loved working out. I even liked, I even liked competing. I mean, the dieting sucked, but I even loved being on stage and competing and so on and so forth. But I never let it overtake my life where it it where it drained my bank account, where I was gonna use drugs that I that could be extremely dangerous. I was always just kind of like very well back, and I also never had a an addictive personality. Like if I never drank again, I wouldn't give a shit. Do you know what I mean? Like, yeah, I get it. I you know, and there are there are just these personality types that if one is working, 10 is better. And if this is working, I'll try that if it's even if it's gonna if it's gonna work. If it's good, I don't care what the side effects are, and they just have this addictive personality, and somebody could die around them, and like you said, it you know, they think it's not gonna be me, but bodybuilding is a great sport, but if you let it consume you, it could really ruin your life. It really can. There are people in their 30s, 40s, 50s still trying, just still trying to get a pro card, you know, they let life pass them all the way by, you know, they don't have kids, they don't get married, they they don't have kids, they they you know, they have to work somehow as maybe a personal trainer. Everything revolves around bodybuilding, and they're still pushing it. We've seen girls do it, guys do it, and you're like it, it's just not worth it. And doing these drugs like DNP or even drugs that aren't as aren't as harmful, like insulin. Like my my my threshold was insulin. I was like, I'm not doing insulin. That was my threshold.

SPEAKER_00 24:45

Insulin could be very dangerous, yeah. You know, one one incorrectly, you know, one incorrectly dose could put you in a in a coma.

SPEAKER_02 24:58

Right.

SPEAKER_00 24:59

You know, could could could drop your blood sugar so low that you you you pass out. What if you're driving when this happens? What if you're standing up or by a flight of steps and this happens? You know, um it could just put you in a diabetic coma.

SPEAKER_02 25:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:17

And uh you know, I know guys that they miscalculate on the insulin syringe, you know, the four units they don't realize is 0.04. Right, yes.4, not 40 units. And I know people that have done that.

SPEAKER_01 25:36

Uh hold on, I have to I have to thank Adismail. Uh Addismail. I don't know how to pronounce it, but dude, thank you very much. You don't have you have to you don't have to donate any money to me, but thank you. That means a lot. And he wrote, Thank you, John and Jason, for the great show each week. I really appreciate the content as someone new to this world. It really helps us new guys. That you you you got you have no idea how much that means to me. Like it is, I mean, don't get me wrong, and now I'm gonna have to fucking split it with Jason, but I'm gonna have to Venmo him to 10 bucks. But but thank you very much, man. That is, and and that's the second time I'm Adam. Okay, Adam, sorry about that. Thank you, Adam. Adam, that is the second time you donated money. That is a thank you so much. Nobody ever donates money. You you don't have to do that. You're you're you're always more than welcome to hit me up on Instagram, to hit me up on Facebook, and you could ask me anything. Um, you know, you gotta you gotta kind of take into consideration my journey. I'm I'm uh I was a nobody and when it came when it came to bodybuilding, and I'm just kind of it's taken me how long have we been doing shows together now for four years? Yeah, dude, just about. It's it's it's taken me four years just to get a little bit recognized. And I'm never gonna forget where I come from. I'm not a I'm not, I was never a pro athlete, I was never a pro bodybuilder, I was never even close to the level of of Jason Arms, who's was great enough to come on my show and and stayed on my show for the last four years. So the fact that I'm making this much of an impact really means the world to me. And this is like things like this is what keeps me going, it keeps me moving and pushing content out. So, Adam, thank you very much, my friend. I really appreciate it. But very nice gesture. Thank you. Yeah, really, really, really great, man. Thank you very much. I really appreciate that. That was really nice, man. Because once in a while, you know, like I don't really make a lot of money on this show. Most of the time I'm in the red, and a lot of times I say to myself, I'm like, why the fuck do I keep doing this, man? I'm just, you know, because I gotta spend the money on the editing, I gotta spend the money on the equipment, I gotta spend the money on just to put it up on, you know, buzz uh, you know, Spotify and Apple iTunes and Rumble and you know, uh StreamYard. It all costs money to just put it up on a platform. Grinder advertising on grinder. Grind is a son of a bitch, you know. So um, and then there's somebody like Adam.

SPEAKER_00 28:11

They know how to suck you dry.

SPEAKER_01 28:13

Yeah, literally. But Adam, I'm just trying to say thank you very much, brother. So it's people like you that keeps me pumping out the content, man. Oh, and and by the way, actually, this weekend I will not I will not be doing a live feed uh for the Arnold.

SPEAKER_00 28:33

I actually have to why not?

SPEAKER_01 28:36

Well, I have to work Saturday. I know. Tell me, I was I was gonna consider that. I have to work Saturday, and then I actually have um uh uh a wake to go to a friend of my father's uh uh died, so I have to wake to go. So I'm not gonna be able to I'm not gonna be able to cover it live, but it's free anyway, so you could just go watch the free life feed. The Arnold's live. The Olympia is you gotta pay the$70 or something.

SPEAKER_00 28:58

Where did you get the link for the Arnold? I forgot about that.

SPEAKER_01 29:01

I don't know. I'll I'll uh I'll look it up and send it to you.

SPEAKER_00 29:04

I've been there every year for the past God knows how many years. Right, that's right. That's right. Yeah, I can't make it this year. Um just I'm still dealing with my shit from the surgery. Uh so uh so yeah, I'll I'll watch it live.

SPEAKER_01 29:18

Yeah, I'm gonna, I mean, when I get home, I should I should get home. It's because you know it doesn't go off go on until midnight. So by the time I get home, I'll be able to uh you know catch the you know the last couple of hours. But um that being said, also Anabolic Academy every week is is brought to you by I Prevail Subs, which is Mr. Jason Arnes' supplement line. It the link is in the description. Just go. There's a the the just go and hit the link. There's also the discount code, which is SNS10, it's also in the description. You get 10% off. And it he has tremendous supplements, uh, probably the best quality supplements I've ever used. Certainly I've ever used the best quality supplements. The pre-workout is probably the best quality pre-workout I've ever had. The sleep aid is fantastic, the branch chain amino is he has plenty of merchandise you can you can check out on. Uh it's www.i-prevailsups.com. And um, and believe me, you you will not be disappointed with with his with his supplements. Thank you. All right, Jay, I'm gonna let you go, man. Uh I'll probably just fucking text you tomorrow or give you a call like I always do.

SPEAKER_00 30:26

Yeah, yeah, dude. Thank you. Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_01 30:28

Of course, man. And uh, all right, I will too talk to you soon, Jay. Thank you for coming on, brother. I'll talk to you soon. Yes, sir, dude. Be safe. All right, later.