Muscle Talk! Is Mike Sommerfeld an entitled brat or just plain stupid?

John Livia is joined by Lee Priest and some very special guests as they discuss the controversy surrounding Mike Sommerfeld and all things professional bodybuilding.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:01

All right, cool. We got a good muscle talk today. We got uh Big Rich, IFBB Pro from Canada, Ian Hadeck, and of course the legend Lee Priest me. Um, I invited Kenton, but Kenton's grandfather passed. Did you see that? Oh yeah, uh guy was like 90 years old, so he had a nice long life, but you know, he's always dealing with that. I don't know what I also invited Xavier. I don't know if he's coming, but we'll just get started with the three of us.

SPEAKER_06 0:33

What is it? This is very racially diverse. I like it.

SPEAKER_02 0:36

Yeah, yeah. And what's funny, for the longest time I thought Ian was Dominican. He's actually a half black, half-white. He's biracial. Although, isn't that what Dominicans are anyway?

SPEAKER_04 0:50

Pretty much black people who were spanning, you know.

SPEAKER_02 0:54

Yeah, you know, I don't know. Ah shit. What's up, Ian? How you doing, man?

SPEAKER_04 0:59

Good, man. I'm good. Just you know, just you hear a lot of things that's going on in bodybuilding and all the other uh avenues with classic and men's physique and everybody who's who's dropping up, who's coming in and whatnot, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:12

Yeah, I know. It's turning out to be not such a big uh the open isn't a big show. It's uh what is it? I just sent it to you guys. Seven people, right? Yeah, it's not many at all.

SPEAKER_06 1:25

Eight people, and which is crazy considering it's like the second biggest, highest paying show.

SPEAKER_02 1:30

I don't get it, yeah. I don't know what's going on with these guys. Yeah, you would think, oh, look who's joining us. Look who's joining us. Look at this. We got a special guest.

SPEAKER_04 1:41

Oh trouble.

SPEAKER_02 1:45

Big Daddy Bo. Once he gets on. Oh shit. What's up, man?

SPEAKER_06 1:53

What's going on, yo?

SPEAKER_02 1:55

How you doing, bro?

SPEAKER_06 1:56

We're out we're out numbered now, John. Yeah, we're for how you doing, man.

SPEAKER_01 2:04

I still have to wear mass today, man. I'm doing good, man. I'm bouncing back. I'm all right now.

SPEAKER_02 2:14

All right, good. I know you got too many people that's fucking sick. Uh Orange is back in the hospital. He might have to go for his third back surgery. Yeah, I know. Um he uh I don't know. Uh what did he say? He messaged me it is got some like his T8 is crushed, he's all fucked up. Oh wow.

SPEAKER_06 2:36

The joys, the joys of getting old.

SPEAKER_02 2:39

Yeah, the joys of getting old as a bodybuilder because he like it's this is the if he has to have another surgery, this is his third back surgery. So yeah, I know. So we'll see. Hopefully, he's uh he's fine. The last couple of weeks he's been missing the anabolic academy, so but it is what it is. Hopefully he's better. And that's it. So we're gonna talk about real the the Arnold UK today. And Bo, I ain't pulling any punches today. Good, yeah, not that I ever go, but oh and by the way, this is the uh if anybody's interested, this is the uh football jersey. Uh I will um unfortunately I can't give these away, they are too expensive to make, but I will give you a discount. If you are interested, I'll give you 10% off. If anybody's interested, just hit me up on Instagram. They come in basketball jerseys, football jerseys, baseball jerseys, and you could pick the number, you could you could pick the the colors, you put your name on the back, Bo's got one, Lee's got one. I'm gonna have to send one to Ian and oh, I'm gonna have to send one to Ian and Rich pretty soon. Let me write that down. Rich done. Ian button. Rich, what size are you?

SPEAKER_07 3:48

Well, she's I'm small now, but I'll take an XL so I can get me motivated.

SPEAKER_02 3:52

XL, okay. Ian, what are you a 2X? 3X? 3X. 3XL. Okay, cool. All right. Anyway, all right, the Honorable UK. Let's start off with uh let's start off with Classic. So yeah, I know Okay, all right. So uh I'm just gonna pull, I'm just gonna be very blunt. I saw the uh interview on Nick Strength and Power with uh uh what's it what was what's um what's Yoda's name? Uh what's Mike Sommerfeld's trainer's name?

SPEAKER_06 4:24

Neil Neil Neil Neil Hill, right?

SPEAKER_02 4:27

Yoda, right? Yoda, Yoda he's uh he's saying he's between five and six pounds over the weight and he doesn't have much time left. So, all right, before I before I say what I think, uh Bo, what do you think? What do you think is going on with Mike Sommerfeld?

SPEAKER_01 4:44

I ain't gonna say he's cheating on his dad, but like if you got plenty of time to get that get their palms off. Yeah, you ain't got it off now. Somebody ain't right.

SPEAKER_05 4:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:58

Either you coach or it's you. Who's gonna take the blame?

SPEAKER_02 5:01

Right, right, right. Okay, and what do you think? What do you what do you think?

SPEAKER_04 5:06

No, I think that I mean, he couldn't even do Detroit and he was like, oh, he's off by three hours, you know, doing that. I was like, how do you miss that guy line going in now? You knew from Detroit to the uh to the Arnolds. You told me you're gonna lose those weight between that time. I'm gonna blame him. I can't blame Neil. Neil's been doing this for a long time.

SPEAKER_07 5:27

Yeah. Good, Rich. I'm gonna be I'm gonna be frank. I think that straight up, Mike's a nice guy, Neil's a nice guy. I've talked to him, but if it doesn't make dollars, it doesn't make sense. We all know you but you cheated your weight, height, and it's catching up to you now. Bottom leg. It's caught up to you.

SPEAKER_02 5:46

Gadley.

SPEAKER_06 5:48

I think the same, you know, something funny going on with the whole height thing and he thought he'd be able to use the same height again, and then at the Arnold his height wasn't the same as the Olympia sort of weight was a different weight than yeah, and the same thing with Detroit. If if he went through all that dieting for the Arnold Classic in Ohio and you miss out on the show and you put your body through hell to diet, and you know there's a show a week later, I would have been on the phone to Fouad that day. How could you miss the deadline a week later? And then now you're going over to England and you still not make might not make the wait. I mean, if you do make it, you're gonna deplete that much. I don't think you're gonna fill out in time. So well done, Wesley, for winning the Arnold UK.

SPEAKER_05 6:29

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

unknown 6:30

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 6:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 6:32

Mike needs to go 212 or go into bodybuilding. He's yeah, he doesn't really have he has a nice shape, but it's not really has more of a bodybuilding style, like a 212 or something. So he's better off going into 212. And stop if you can't make the weight, don't hold yourself back for classic. Go into bodybuilding.

SPEAKER_02 6:48

I agree. All right. Mike Sommerfeld is either an entitled, an entitled, spoiled brat, or he's dumb as a box of shit. Those are the two fucking options, okay? I'm gonna go with choice A because he seems to be uh trying to cheat with the height thing, and then he's three hours late for Detroit, and he shows up to these shows knowing that people want to see him, knowing that he's the superstar, the promoters want him there, and then he doesn't make weight and he can't do the show. So either either he's an entire spoiled brat or he's dumb as shit. It's one of the two, and I'm gonna go with choice A, because at this point it's like if you can't make weight, I mean, I might change my mind. I doubt it by the time the Arnold UK comes, we'll see. But if at this point I think he's just an entitled spoiled brat, because how many times are you gonna do this to promoters and fans who want to see you? Promoters promote that you're gonna be there and you can't you can't fucking make it, you can't make wait, or you're you're three hours late for the deadline, and then Fuet goes out of his way, calls the IFBB, and the IFBB does not make any exceptions for him. So either they're really strict or they're like, This guy is a pain in the ass. No, he's fucking late.

SPEAKER_06 8:04

Yeah, but how can you be late when he had all week? He had all week to get his fucking thing into Detroit. Oh wait, John.

SPEAKER_04 8:11

No, John, John, here's the thing. Did you hear why he missed out on Detroit?

SPEAKER_07 8:16

Yeah, time zone?

SPEAKER_04 8:17

Come on, how can he go on the bag?

SPEAKER_02 8:20

Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_04 8:22

Not only time zone, he missed out because he wants to see Neil in first. Really? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:29

I think I think he's an entitled brat. I think he's I think he's one of these guys who is really gifted as a bodybuilder, and um he's probably got a lot of sponsors and uh people calling him the second coming of Bumpstead. I think he's entitled brat. I think that's what it comes down to. I don't think he's stupid, I don't think he's a stupid guy. I mean, I don't know him, but you know, if if you're see the thing is if you're dumb and your trainer knows you're dumb, he's just gonna take you by the hand and go, I'll deal with it. You're fucking stupid, I'll take care of it. But I think he's just an entitled brat. And I I, you know, and we'll see. We'll see what happens in the UK, and we'll see how Neil Hill deals with them. If Neil Hill throws up his hands and goes, you know, I'm done, then we know for a fact he's in the um he's an entitled bastard. But Wesley looks fucking great. The last couple of shows, he's looked amazing. But what do you think? What did you think of Wesley at at the Arnold, uh, the Arnold, Ohio?

SPEAKER_01 9:20

He finally lived up to what he's supposed to have been living up to.

SPEAKER_02 9:24

Yeah, he found the formula.

SPEAKER_01 9:25

If he brings that, or if he if he gets in the in the building, you know what I'm saying, for the Olympia, then hey, you might have well gone just close the door because Dino ain't got no room to grow when West has still got like five or six pounds to grow if you want to.

SPEAKER_02 9:41

Right, right, right, right. Lee, they kind of like the tall bodybuilder in in the I think in classic they do, I think.

SPEAKER_06 9:47

Yeah, because even because what's his name I think's got the perfect shape. Um, what's his name? Rough Diesel, is it? Rough diesel. Yes, I agree. Yeah, it's like when he's posing, his shape, like anything, only thing you can knock him back on would be being short. But if you want all over perfect balance and posing, my God, there's a guy that should be beating the taller guys, but for some reason in classic, they like that taller, you know, when he does the twisting Arnold shots and stuff like that, they like that. So yeah, and Wesley did say when he weighed in at the Arnold, he still had his clothes on, so he still has room for growth in for his height in that class. So yeah, but you know, Mike not when you said about Mike being a spoiled thing, he might be one of those people who's very conniving. You know how people are like people that milk the system, they know all the little tricks to milk the system until you finally get caught and you can't milk it anymore, then you look like an idiot.

SPEAKER_02 10:38

Yeah, right. I think that's what's you know, you one or two times is one thing, but you know um, and you know you don't want to see that happen to a guy with that much talent, you know, because uh Lee knows he's got so much potential. Yeah, and Lee knows the IFBB is uh, you know, they they run out of patience quick.

SPEAKER_06 10:56

Which will be interesting because even if he looks good at the thing, I know you know you don't want to bring politics in, but Weinberg is judging, and Weinberger could be like, you know what, we've had enough of you. It's like Wesley's the nice poster boy right now. Wesley's got the momentum after the Arnold in Detroit. So I think Wesley's the favorite going in, and Mike's gonna have to look awesomely special to beat Wesley at this show, I think. And I don't think it's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_02 11:20

No, I fully agree. Ian, what do you think about the height thing? You think that that should be credential for classic? Because it seems to be. They don't say it is, but it seems to be a credential for the classic. They're like the height.

SPEAKER_04 11:32

Well, like the thing I was saying. Christmas is wrong. What is hold on Z crap into the scene?

SPEAKER_02 11:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 11:47

And you do know who's more of their boats. They do what's funny, they think about it too. So that makes it more than you like.

SPEAKER_02 12:03

You broke up on me a little bit. Well, but we'll we'll get back to you, Ian. Oh, that that's a little better, actually. Can you say what you were gonna say again?

SPEAKER_04 12:11

Oh no, actually, I think they do like what they're supposed to be told. I think you bring your body words as how beings.

SPEAKER_06 12:32

Let me just let me just turn my I gotta turn my ebonics translator on. Hold on. Okay, I got it, I got it.

SPEAKER_02 12:41

Good, Rich. What do you what do you think? They even though they don't say it, they seem to obviously favor the taller bodybuilder and classic.

SPEAKER_07 12:47

Well, here's the thing. I'll give you a scenario being a classic pro myself. Now, let's we can all agree that Terrence Ruffin has probably the best symmetry and lines for classic being a small guy.

SPEAKER_02 12:59

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_07 13:00

Now let's say he does let's say he won. He wins the Olympia.

SPEAKER_02 13:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 13:05

Next question is next coming show, he doesn't do it. Now you're going back to are we going small guys or tall guys? Uh-huh. So the majority of classic right now is tall. It just is what it is. So they they're gonna have to go with that look because if you go with Terrence winning, who's gonna be a second? Who's gonna compare it to third? It's gonna be hard because of such a height difference. Now, going back to the height in the weigh-in, this Arnold UK is gonna be very interesting because we all know it's hard to peak multiple times. You know in Ohio, Wesley looked phenomenal. Yeah, in Detroit, not as great, to be honest. Yeah, compared to Ohio. And he for a reason probably why because he doesn't want to peak again too much, but enough to pull it off. Now, coming to UK now, we all know he's grown. Will he have the same hamstrings in the tying that he did in the Arnold Ohio? I don't think so. It's be hard to peek again to have that same physique.

SPEAKER_02 13:58

Yeah, that's my opinion. You know what? That's a very good perspective. I did not think of that. Uh, and that might be very well why they do pick the taller guys like Ramon and Wesley. Um, that's actually a really good, really good breakdown. Did not realize it because I look at Terrence and I go, that's classic all the way. I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 14:18

You know, but how do you determine second and third if if if he doesn't do a show after like you go back a little bit? Because there's no short guys like Terrence, right? No short guys like Terrence. There's more majority of the taller guys.

SPEAKER_01 14:31

But you got to we got to remember too, though, who's the first classic for Z one? Brent Brion.

SPEAKER_07 14:38

What was his no no no no? Um, what's his um Danny?

SPEAKER_01 14:43

Yeah, yeah. He's a little short ass like me, Danny. Yeah, Danny, then Brion, then here come Chris. Like you had two two short guys to win it, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05 14:55

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:56

I know like it evolves. Okay, cool. You know what I'm saying? But if you're looking at classic, it ain't a better classic person out there, really, than agreed 100%. Basically, he just ain't tall.

SPEAKER_02 15:09

Yeah, Lee, did you uh ever compete with Danny Hester?

SPEAKER_06 15:13

No, no, Danny always uh Danny like we used to train together in the 90s at Gold's and that, but he wasn't pro then. I think he got his pro card and did that when I had already moved back to Australia when I was suspended.

SPEAKER_02 15:26

Ah, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_06 15:27

Yeah, I can run into him at the Olympia. He's still like Danny's still looking in great shape for his age and that. And we're at the same gym in Vegas for the Olympia last year and that, and did a bit of training together, and he's still in great shape. You know, he could probably still compete if he wanted to.

SPEAKER_02 15:41

Yeah, absolutely. Don't do they have a master's a classic category in Masters, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 15:47

Do they they do?

SPEAKER_02 15:50

Yeah, uh shows masters, the masters no, but it what about the Masters Olympia? Do they have a classic and the Masters Olympia? They do, I don't know. They should Masters Olympia, they have classic, they have classic and masters olympia. They do have classic and masters olympia? Yep.

SPEAKER_01 16:06

Uh oh Alex, Alex won. Oh, that's right. Right, that's right.

SPEAKER_02 16:12

Yeah, that's right. Yeah, Danny could definitely do uh Masters uh Olympia. I'd say I really I hope the I hope the Masters Olympia, I hope guys like I hope they get a good turnout this year.

SPEAKER_03 16:25

Let's hope they get paid.

SPEAKER_02 16:26

Say that again, Ian.

SPEAKER_03 16:28

Let's hope they get paid.

SPEAKER_02 16:30

Yeah, yeah. But it was like months later. And it was like he was one of the last ones to get paid.

SPEAKER_01 16:43

But that's after they had another show in China, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:46

They did Japan, yeah. Yeah, and I actually I actually messaged Sean Clarita and I was like, Did you get paid? And he's like, Yeah, because he won, he he won that other show in Japan. He's like, Yeah, I got paid. But um, I don't know if that promoter paid or if uh uh what's his name? He's no longer a promoter Jake Wood uh pay took out the case.

SPEAKER_07 17:07

Jake Wood paid. Jake Wood paid the guy who was originally the promoter is no longer a promoter anymore. Yeah, they got reading.

SPEAKER_02 17:12

I don't blame him. How do you, you know, not for nothing, but shouldn't you have that money in escrow to pay your advantage? You meant to. You meant to. I mean, it's just fucking ridiculous, but yeah. All right, let's let's move on to the open. Ian. Is it is is it Andrew's show to lose? Is it is it uh 100%? Yeah, yes, in this lineup, you think anybody gives him a run for his money? Nope. No. No.

SPEAKER_06 17:41

I'll be honest with you, looking at this, looking at this right now, depending on which depending on which Andrew's main competition in this lineup would be himself. If he fucks himself up, yeah, then Martin or even Brandon can move on. You know, I could even see Brandon getting second, like at the I was about to say I could have seen him beating Martin at the Arnold, but oh yeah. Oh yeah. But if if Andrew fucks up Martin or um thing can, but at the moment I think Andrew's gonna nail and then it'll come down to Brandon and Martin for second and third, probably.

SPEAKER_01 18:15

Yeah, man. Look, they've been overlooking Brandon for a couple shows right now. I know, yeah, they really have. I'm gonna tell you another thing is like you you really can't count Martin out. No, no, look at what he did for the Olympia, then he came back to Prague, right? Look how good he did it then. Yeah, only thing he got to do is control for a correct that water, yeah. If he corrected water, come in any kind of title, then Martin can knock him off.

SPEAKER_02 18:42

Yeah, Rich Martin looks like the type of guy that if he's five or ten percent off, he's way off. But if he's on now, he's one of those guys that he can't come in 90-95, like you know, like a Phil Heath, or you know, he can't do that. It's got he's gonna be on.

SPEAKER_07 18:57

Martin comes in at his best when there's less pressure and no one talks about him.

SPEAKER_02 19:02

Uh-huh. That's a good point. That's a really good point. You're right. Yeah, you're right. So that we'll see what happens because we're just talking about him in this show. Exactly.

SPEAKER_06 19:11

You know, but he's gonna love to redeem himself, so I think he's probably putting the pressure on himself to make a good show.

SPEAKER_02 19:18

Yeah, I I mean, look, as a bodybuilding fan, I hope he does well, you know, as a uh his personality is you know, you know what?

SPEAKER_07 19:29

I I hear you, sorry to interrupt. I'll give you my point. Like, when I first talked to Martin at Toronto Pro, didn't have a conversation, didn't know I knew who he was, but he didn't know who I was. He was supporting his girl Alexis on stage, front row sitting down, and he was like, That yeah, girl, cheering around. You can see the enthusiastic part of him and the and the love and the passion. Yeah, and then after she came off, I said, Martin, he's like, Hey, what's up, buddy? And I'm just like, I could I can see the passion in you, and I just want to say, you know, I maybe pro fan also, but I like what you're doing, and I go, You're gonna make some noise. And he goes, I love the sport, I'll die for the sport. I know I may be rough, but they'll they'll know my name. And you can just see he means well. I just think, like I said, he he just speaks so much from the heart. Sometimes it just his energy gets channeled the wrong way. That's it. I think he's a good person, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_06 20:18

But and I think I think actually she's competing too, I think, in this, isn't she?

SPEAKER_02 20:22

Yes, really, yeah, how do you have a couple? They're what they're ready to. I think they would be ready to kill each other if you have a couple that fucking.

SPEAKER_06 20:30

Actually, it's not bad. When I was with Kathy and we both did the Arnold together, that when you're both dieting, it's actually a lot easier because you both eat the same food. You're doing the cardio, you're going to the gym. It's when you're dieting and she's not. That's when you have the problem.

SPEAKER_02 20:43

Really? Oh, Jesus Christ. Say that again, Ian.

SPEAKER_04 20:50

Branch used to do it all the time with uh his wife.

SPEAKER_02 20:53

Oh, that's right. That's right, that's right. So, what do you think? You think uh you think um Fitzwater is gonna redeem himself, Ian?

SPEAKER_04 21:04

You hope he's gotta come up with because of the shenanigans he pulled out. He better come right, or guess what? He'll be out.

SPEAKER_02 21:13

Yeah, I don't think the IFBB is gonna have much more patience with him. Um he's gonna have I just think I'm sure he's a nice guy. I just think he's immature and he's gotta grow up.

SPEAKER_01 21:23

That's really like I've been knowing Martin since 2018. How old is he now? Martin, like 25, 26, or something like that.

SPEAKER_02 21:32

All right, so hopefully he just has some growing up to do.

SPEAKER_01 21:34

Yeah, Martin Young, you know what I'm saying? But one thing I know about Martin, Martin hates to lose. I don't blame him.

SPEAKER_05 21:40

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:41

Yeah, he hate to lose Martin hard on himself. What a lot of people don't see. He's hard on himself, and that's how he's supposed to be. But at the same time, don't show it on stage.

SPEAKER_02 21:51

Yeah, you gotta control yourself.

SPEAKER_01 21:52

Yeah, you you can have that, you know what I'm saying? I mean, business look, but don't have that like that frustrated, you know what I'm saying. Look on stage because they pay attention, everybody pay attention to this stuff.

SPEAKER_02 22:03

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And what makes it worse is he makes the other guys look better. Like he made Nick look that much better when Nick didn't retaliate and didn't say anything and didn't shove back. It makes Nick look like a class act, and it makes him look like a real, you know, uh started a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 22:23

It's it goes up. So I ordered that error start now. I'll put it up. Okay, okay, good.

SPEAKER_02 22:30

I'll mute him and then we'll uh I'll go back. Um, so he's back. Oh, he's back. Okay. Asked to unmute. There you go. But hopefully uh he just has some growing up to do. Now, I think everything being equal, I think Brandon has a really good shot of coming in second. I think Brandon really has a good shot because I don't don't think the judges don't listen to the show, you know, shows like this, they don't listen, they don't see the comments. Don't think they're not gonna give Brandon a second look. And Brandon is like the he is the fucking definition of consistency, he does not come off, you know. Um, so I think he's got a really, really good shot of coming in uh second, especially if Martin is off a little bit. If Martin is on, I I don't think he's gonna be able to. But you look at this lineup. What about the sleeper? Abu Kanote. I don't know who the fuck that is. Blessing the sleeper.

SPEAKER_01 23:32

Blessing, blessing the sleeper. Uh blessing only if he fixed his waist.

SPEAKER_06 23:38

Well, yes, it's like I'm gonna I'm gonna have to jump out, guys. My phone's about to go dead.

SPEAKER_02 23:45

Good Lee. Thanks for joining, brother. Appreciate it.

SPEAKER_06 23:47

Okay, take care.

SPEAKER_01 23:48

Later. Bye. But I ain't gonna say, like, I don't see blessing being more than no brand.

SPEAKER_02 23:56

No, blessing, blessing, you know. Okay, take away the waste. You got a good point. It's not even a waste, it's his legs, man. Is let I mean his legs are just so understanding.

SPEAKER_04 24:06

So here's another thing. Why does blessing wait to like tune up for these for these for every show as movement? He's like, he needs a warm-up to get ready for another show. You should be on immediate. That's what you come for. He's on great compete.

SPEAKER_07 24:21

Yeah, he's been on for three years though.

SPEAKER_02 24:23

Yeah, right. I don't know. His hit to me, his leg his legs are worse than his waist. I don't think his waist is as bad. His it makes him look worse because he had doesn't have the the sweep in his legs, his legs are his upper body is so amazing that because his legs are a little downsized, it makes them look even worse. Yeah, you know, and that's gonna be his i that's gonna be his Achilles heel for his entire career. You know, Johnny Jackson was able to actually build his legs. It doesn't look like blessing is is is is following that same suit. I mean, how old is Blessing now? He's got to be in his mid-30s at this point, right?

SPEAKER_07 25:06

But I think the down part is it's hard to build that sweep now. Yeah, yeah, some age factors in, but when one leg is shorter than the other, the muscle needs it short as well, too. Yeah, so for everything.

SPEAKER_01 25:18

We all got that problem, though. We we got arms longer than the one, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_07 25:23

Yeah, to a point, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:24

Yeah, but he I think it's his trainer. Sometimes we get we get stuck as pros or whatever, you know what I'm saying? We get stuck in our own training when like I can come train with you, and your training will be what I need for my legs, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:40

And the thing is, if that's the case, blessing has all these great trainers at his disposal and great bodybuilders at his disposal. I mean, anybody would jump to train with him if if that's the case. And when I'm saying that I'm not saying that's the case, it's a possibility that's the case. If that's the case, I would probably if I were him, and I'm sure he knows this, you know, he's not a stupid guy, I would exhaust every possibility to try to rectify that problem. You know, I mean, I would call fucking the first the first person I would call would be either Charles Glass or uh or Psycho Lewis and see if they could help me uh fix that problem.

SPEAKER_07 26:18

But you know what though? Everybody neglects this, and I'm I'm only saying this because one, I've trained with him, and one I know how his mindset is. If people bought into the system and give them the chance, Ben Polski, the one of the best legs in the business. That's yeah, that's actually a really good point. Yeah, absolutely. If more people went out and reached up to him and did his training, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:39

Well, how about this right here? Think about this, yeah. It's gonna sound crazy. Look at them women. Look how big the women's legs are. Well, yeah. Why not go train with a woman? Nothing wrong with that.

SPEAKER_02 26:54

Yeah, nothing wrong with that. Go train with um uh what's her name? Andrea. Andrea, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 27:00

Go train with a woman.

SPEAKER_02 27:01

Seriously. Uh no question about it. Linda Murray, Andrea Shaw, any one of these fucking uh any one of these fucking female bodies who's the um but the wellness girls, look at their legs, yeah. Right, right. Yeah, exactly. You know that's all they fucking do. You know that's all they do, you know. And he he he uh so like either he's stuck in his in his training, or it's a fucking curse. Yeah, you know, um, or it's a fucking curse.

SPEAKER_04 27:31

It could be it could be both.

SPEAKER_02 27:33

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely, it could very well be both, and it things like that bother the shit out of me because he literally has a Mr. Olympia upper body. His upper body is flawless, he's got his arms are insane, his shoulders, his chest, his back is retarded. He's when he comes in shape, his midsex is chiseled. Yeah, his you know, waist got a little thicker, but um his upper body is magnificent, and then it's just that fucking throws him off a little bit. Um the other guys that I wanted to bring up, okay. I'm real again, I I say this every time because I know Akeem and he's a super good dude and he's a friend. I'm and I I'm really hoping he does well. Um, I messaged him and I was like, I don't know why you didn't do Detroit. Like he would have fucking killed it in Detroit, you know. Um, but he he was already set to do the Arnold and then the Arnold Arnold UK. I hope he and I think in this lineup, I think he can do well, to be honest with you. Um, I don't see what's his name in the lineup anymore, Mofuda. He was supposed to do it, I don't see him anymore. He's shutting it down to the Olympia, and I don't blame him. What do you think of that? Uh Bo, what do you think about Mo Fuda shutting it down to the Olympia?

SPEAKER_01 28:46

Hey, that's a good that's a good run. You know what I'm saying? But at the same time, like money. Yeah, boom. Go get that money, man. You know what I'm saying? I know, I know, I know that's what a lot like I was doing. If I could I could find two shows back to back like that, right there, I'm doing them.

SPEAKER_05 29:03

Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 29:04

I did it now, I did Chicago, go get that money. Yeah, no, you're right. And it's 25,000 in Detroit, then you you got another what 250,000 two weeks later. Come at night, go get that money, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:19

And you know his sponsors are gonna pay for him to travel, you know. Uh I like Mofuda, and I like that he's a young guy, and I like them and he's making improvements. He's the when I see young bodybuilders that put the time and effort in, and you see the improvements, that's what makes me a bodybuilding fan.

SPEAKER_05 29:37

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:38

When you and you see the improvement, you've made a lot of improvements this year, and obviously showed he won Detroit. Um, but uh I like seeing the young guys put the work in and come up, seeing the young blood come up. That's my favorite part of bodybuilding, you know. I like seeing the young guys come in and give those, give the old heads a fucking run for their money, you know. That's why I was for a long time, I was a big uh you know, Fitzwater fan, you know. Um his personality, I'm still a fan, still a bodybuilding fan of his, like I said, his personality is to be desired, but still a bodybuilding fan because I like to see the young guys come in and and fucking throw a monkey wrench into the mix and set shit off. I that's to me, that's bodybuilding, right? Again, it kind of gets boring seeing the same three, four, five guys every year at the Olympia. Arnold's like, okay, all right, all right, all right. But then when you see these young guys come in and they go, no, no, no, no, no, you're not gonna fucking miss me, you know. That says a lot. And it says a lot about that work ethic, and uh people become fans of that, the blue-collar hardcore work ethic like a Nick Walker has or a Mofuda. It's why everybody's fans of those guys, you know? All right, um at this point, okay, two guys I want to talk about. Hassan Mustafa. At this point, what'd you say, Ian?

SPEAKER_04 30:58

Why don't we be talking about it?

SPEAKER_02 31:00

At this point, I don't know what the point is. Like, he doesn't come in shape, he has more muscle than anybody else, he always looks like he's six or eight weeks out, he looks like he's guest posing.

SPEAKER_07 31:13

Meeting him, meeting him and talking to him, uh-huh. He likes to eat. That's all I'm gonna say.

SPEAKER_01 31:21

That's all I'm gonna say. So he just the aroma though, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 31:27

And he just even yeah, even even that being said, though, the fact that he loves the sport, does he give 110? I'm not there with him every day training, but he trains, but he can do a lot more. But it comes down to discipline. You know, when you see when you get a snack in, you get those snacks in plain and simple. Let's call it what it is. Nicest guy. If he buckles down, well, the only time he did that when he was with Sims. The best time he's ever looked was with Sims. The best ever.

SPEAKER_02 31:58

What's the bo? What's the what's the point? And and I want you to answer this because you're you're the uh you're the IFBB pro and Rich too, obviously. But what's the point of getting on stage if you're not ready? You could clearly look in the mirror and say, I'm fucking not ready. What's the point? If you're not gonna put the work in and the diet and and suffer, what's the point of getting on stage? Because what happens is that at the beginning, you go, What's this guy doing? And then you're literally just the forgotten bodybuilder.

SPEAKER_01 32:28

Well, one thing, your fans, and two, you're the book. But what what's the second one? You lower you love the sport. Yep. Like if you get somebody who loves to compete and ain't doing it for themselves, hey man, uh I I'll thumbs up for them. You know what I'm saying? Because you putting your fans or your family, you know what I'm saying, friends or stuff like that before yourself, right? Nothing wrong with that. When you out here, okay, you chasing that dollar, sometimes you lose focus, man.

SPEAKER_02 33:00

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 33:01

I don't know, like he said on saying, he's a good dude. I know, you know what I'm saying? Good man, but I don't know what's going on with him, don't I say?

SPEAKER_02 33:15

If you come in that shape on stage and you go just call what it is.

SPEAKER_04 33:23

We we see him every time, like you said. So he's the post. Well, if you want me to say them, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:32

I I mean, I understand that you wanna, you know, you love competing, and what Bo says is very accurate, but it gets to the point that when you get on stage with these top pros and you're six, eight weeks out, it almost looks like disrespect for the sport. It's like, uh, you know, um, almost like the Lionel Becky thing, you know, like that guy had the most incredible genetics and he just pissed it all away.

SPEAKER_01 33:56

He had a reason though.

SPEAKER_02 33:57

What was his what was the reason?

SPEAKER_01 33:59

They they was drug testing him, like if he put anything really, yeah. Like he put anything his system, they the the government would have got on got really, yeah, yeah. Like he couldn't do it, nothing. And he he wanted to wanna like see he he got love for the sport. Okay, he still was competing, knowing that he couldn't do certain things.

SPEAKER_02 34:20

Ah, okay. See, if I if I was in that case, if that's the case, then I'm uh I'm relocating.

SPEAKER_07 34:29

Can't leave the country. It can't go nowhere. How come? Can't leave the country for this charge teleboat.

SPEAKER_01 34:36

No, no, go ahead, go ahead. My bad. Go ahead. No, no, no, no, no, no. Go ahead. It's like house risk for oh over here for us.

SPEAKER_02 34:43

Ah, okay. He got himself in some trouble. Yeah, yeah. Uh, what was the trouble? Uh what he can't take. Oh what he can't take. Oh man, that sucks. I didn't know that. That sucks. Because now, how do you make a living? Right?

SPEAKER_01 35:02

Yeah, he's still trained, people. No one's asking.

SPEAKER_02 35:04

He's got to be personal training, yeah. Yeah, okay. All right. Next guy on the list. Same, same conversation, Patrick Moore.

SPEAKER_01 35:13

Improvement.

SPEAKER_02 35:15

Did he really think so? Improvement. Yeah. Improved.

SPEAKER_04 35:20

He looked at him be short. He didn't look good in detort.

SPEAKER_02 35:22

Okay. Yeah. But he did. You think he was he because he did come in fourth and he was beat by that new kid, Ellias?

SPEAKER_01 35:31

That was right, though. That was a good call.

SPEAKER_02 35:33

I agree, I agree. So, all right. All right. So he was improved from last year. Is it cost effective at this point? Does he have sponsors?

SPEAKER_07 35:47

Uh, he has sponsors.

SPEAKER_02 35:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 35:50

Um, I I'm not I I can't make excuses for him. I'm not trying to. I can only say from working with and being in the rehab rehabilitation industry, when you tear an Achilles, it's hard for you to do legs and come back properly. You have no flexion. Dorsey flex, you have no flexion. And that cuts a lot of time in to do legs. That you can't you can't flex, you're hard to contract. Uh it's it's a tough injury when you pop your Achilles.

SPEAKER_02 36:20

Yeah. Um when did he when did he uh injure himself? When did he have that problem?

SPEAKER_07 36:27

Um I think it's if I'm not mistaken, it's probably two years now, probably. Uh 24.

unknown 36:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:32

2024. Yeah, yeah. There's not much you could do about an injury. I fully understand.

SPEAKER_07 36:38

Especially an Achilles like that.

SPEAKER_02 36:39

Yeah. So right up the bottom. His his best look was was was what the 2020 Olympia, 2021 Olympia. Came ninth, I think. Came in 10th. I think you're pretty sure he came in 10th. And he looked phenomenal. And you know, back then, I'm saying to myself, this guy puts 10 pounds of muscle on, and he's fucking he's fucking good. And again, my I again, I I know there are injuries that happen, I know there are legalities, I know there are issues. I I get it, I get life happens. But as a bodybuilding fan, oh, it's so frustrating when you see a guy with all the potential in the world and he can't fulfill the potential.

SPEAKER_07 37:17

You know, you know what it is? He he got I think he got caught between that Olympia from he's got a he's a bodybuilder, but he's got that classic look. And I think it messes him away in regards to do I get so much bigger, or I say the lines. That's what I think. It that sort of messed him up, giving them that title of that bodybuilding classic look.

SPEAKER_02 37:35

He also seems to have uh let me just I'll say it, I'll tell you it bluntly. He also seems to have a thug mentality. He he he's an OG, you can OG, yeah. You know, he seems to have a street mentality.

SPEAKER_01 37:51

Oh no, really no.

SPEAKER_02 37:53

Because of the uh incident that happened with the gym owner, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:56

Yeah, but what happened? That's one incident, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:02

From what I understand, though, it uh he he he has been escorted out of not escorted, but he's been asked to leave several gyms, from what I understand. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he I he has that you know that that little bit of you know, people don't think that that when you have like a red flag like that in your personality, um it it's not just one glitch, it kind of pours over into the rest of your life, lifestyle. Do you know what I mean? Because that's your mentality. That's your, you know, I don't want to have to pay because I'm Patrick Moore and IF I'm an IFB pro. Or um I don't, you know, that could pour into, I don't need to pay for the anabolics you give me. That could pour into, I don't need to pay for the registration fee. You know, uh, I mean, um I'm just from my from my psychological background that that kind of mentality doesn't seem to stop at one instant. Usually that's how you operate as a person. I'm not saying that that's what it is, I'm just saying that this the red flags show me that that might be what it is. Because I uh, you know, um there I had another bodybuilder on that we all know. I'm not gonna mention any names. We all know him. He's a great fucking guy. He's not on the show anymore, but a fantastic guy. And he said he, you know, he had some problems with him in the past, you know. Um, and I trust his word because he's a fantastic human being, you know. And we all know who he is. I'll let you know who he is after afterwards. So again, I don't know for sure. I'm just going on what trusted sources tell me. And again, my pet peeve is when you see guys that are so fucking talented, and it's like, uh, just you know why? Because look, here's why it's frustrating to me. The reason why I started this podcast is because I don't have the talent to be a professional bodybuilder. Ian knew me when I was competing. Yeah, you know, Ian knew me, Ian came to my shows when I was competing, and I really did want to turn pro. I was really trying. I don't have the talent, so I became a critic, which is what most critics are, failed athletes, right? And I'm not ashamed to say it. Then when you see guys like Hassan Mustafa and you see guys like Lionel Becky, and you see guys like Patrick Moore, and you go, Jesus Christ, God gave you everything that I wish I had, and and and you're not fulfilling your your your true potential. Now, whether now it might be because they're hurt, or it might be you know, other issues like legality issues, like like um like Lionel Becky, but it's still frustrating, it's still very frustrating because you just want to see these guys fucking when you see a new up-and-coming guy and you're like, yes, this guy's gonna be fucking good, and then yeah, you know, it just fucking sucks. You know, another guy that frustrated me for a long time, I haven't seen him compete in a while, was Nathan DeSher. And the reason he and yesterday. What's up? I just talked to him yesterday. Oh, did he? Did you? And it's frustrating because he can't get to the states because of all the trouble that he's gotten into in the past. And it's like, bam, this fucking guy could be fucking amazing, you know. But I don't, I don't, he's older now. I don't know if he's still competing. We haven't seen him. Did he compete last year? Last year we did with me with Dubai. Did he win or he no came um third?

SPEAKER_01 41:35

No, I think it was fourth.

SPEAKER_02 41:37

Fourth, yeah, yeah, fourth.

SPEAKER_01 41:38

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:40

Yeah, so that seems to be uh uh you know my my pet peeve. And like I said, it's because when you see guys, it's it's like anything else, man. It's it's if you like to play touch tackle on the weekends with the boys, it's because you fucking couldn't make it in college. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not gonna pull any punches. The reason why I started this podcast was to fill a void that I couldn't be a pro bodybuilder. That's the gods honest truth, nothing wrong with that. You know what I mean? And uh, and that's just the way it becomes just the way it the way it is, you know. Ian, what do you think? What seems to be the most frustrating thing with you with these guys? You have Ian Ian. I'm gonna say it again. Ian has a great podcast, right? And Ian knows a lot of behind the scenes stuff. Ian doesn't get uh as much credit, but every time he comes on my show, he's a wealth of knowledge when it comes to the behind-the-scenes stuff and what's going on with the athletes and what's going on with the trainers. So again, he's another guy that I trust completely. So go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 42:46

What what what seems to be most of the time it's just the same thing, like you're saying, the full potential, and it'll live up to it. Maybe it's their ego half the time, maybe it's their sponsors, and maybe someone is not pushing that right button to make them to make them go hard. It's something that's going on. We don't know what it is, but it's something.

SPEAKER_02 43:10

Yeah. Oh, do you think Ian just just made a good point. Do you think it's a possibility that these trainers, because they're getting paid, I'm sure they're getting paid really good money from from these top athletes. Do you think they don't want to fuck with their money, so they kind of are a little lenient with them? Or do you think some of these guys are old school and it's like you do what I say, or we're not doing this anymore?

SPEAKER_01 43:35

Yeah, all that.

SPEAKER_02 43:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:38

Like you got you gotta, because you are you're out of B B pro, they don't mean can't nobody tell you what to do. That's what you're paying them for.

SPEAKER_05 43:46

Right.

SPEAKER_01 43:47

To tell you what to do. But at the same time, the person that you paying to help you out could be more investing this person over here.

SPEAKER_02 43:58

That's yeah. So yes, that's right.

SPEAKER_01 44:02

That's actually both taking the chance. The pro taking the chance and the coach taking the chance.

SPEAKER_02 44:07

A very good point because that is actually what uh uh Fred Small said when I had him on last year when he had George Farrah. Uh George was mostly interested in, I believe he was training uh branch and Kai at the time. And I'm saying that too. And he was like falling to the wayside, uh, as far as George's uh you know, uh being important in George's uh uh you know bodybuilding spectrum was really putting a lot more time into those guys. Um, and that's gotta be frustrating, right? It's gotta be frustrating. And that's this that's I think there's a lot of stuff that goes on that we don't we don't we don't get that goes on behind the scenes. We just think, oh, hey, listen, you know, train, diet, get on stage, do your best. But I think there's a lot of other variables that come in that throw things off, um, things like that, especially.

SPEAKER_07 44:58

Well, you know what? It's a great point, but I'll also share, I won't say names, but in the industry, you have a lot of coaches who work with top athletes, and their focus is it's happened to me. I've had a top coach, and he goes, Listen, I'm just busy right now. We'll do a check another time because I have to work with this guy. He's my Olympian. Oh, okay. I get it. You're in cool, but I'm paying for a service. But I'll also tell you a lot of these top athletes, prima the prop, aren't paying for coaching.

unknown 45:29

I know.

SPEAKER_07 45:30

Oh, yeah. Say that again. What was that last part? I know for a fact a lot of them don't pay for coaching, but their coaches are coaching them because of the name what they have already.

SPEAKER_02 45:40

Ah, so they could actually either go on to get guys that are on a on a second or third tier or amateur that will pay the money. That's that that's the whole idea.

SPEAKER_04 45:50

You just making it up. That makes that make sense. That makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 45:54

That makes that definitely makes sense, yeah. Well, I'll make the money elsewhere if I'm training Derek Lunsford or Andrew Jack or whatever the case may be. Um yeah, that's that's kind of that's probably a very good possibility.

SPEAKER_07 46:08

And all it said to him, I said, hey, I I respect it, I I'm paying. You know, he don't get he helped me. He's a good coach, but he would just go, he was being real. He'd go, listen, I work with these top athletes, they're my priority right now. You want to come on board? This is what I can do, but I can't do it all the time. This is what the rate is. I'm like, all right, well, and it did help me, but at the end of the day, I'm like, I can go to somebody else who's gonna be more invested, not be a top, top, top coach, but just as knowledgeable. But if you care here, it shows. And I'm gonna work more because I know that you're caring from the heart. That's how I operate now.

SPEAKER_02 46:42

But Bo, do you think there is like a lot of mid-range trainers, not elite? Like, you know, when you think elite, you think of Farry, you think of Chris Asseto, you think of uh uh Hani, you think of uh Neil Neil Hill. Do you think there's a lot of mid-range coaches that get overlooked, like uh Fackery or a King Kamale or guys that are just as good, but they might be a lot more invested?

SPEAKER_01 47:03

Yeah, I know it's a lot, I know a lot of them like that from Prime Razember Compton.

SPEAKER_02 47:10

Who oh, yeah, Justin Compton. Yeah, that's right. Yes, yeah, you're right about that.

SPEAKER_01 47:14

But look, then Martha got Justin, Justin Miller out there in New York, in New Jersey.

SPEAKER_05 47:19

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 47:20

George uh the boo coach, like them guys there, good coaches, yeah. Ain't nobody putting their name out there, and I don't even think they care about their name being put out there.

SPEAKER_02 47:31

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you're right. I think yeah, yeah, I think you know, I think you're absolutely right. I think there's something to be said, you know. Everybody would love to be trained by these top coaches, right? Uh, but Ian, what do you what coaches do you know in that second class, if you will, that second tier of coaches that are just as good but uh don't get the recognition and would put the time and effort in.

SPEAKER_04 47:56

I wouldn't say even Palumbo. Yeah, no one talks about him anymore. Yeah, because he used to have a lot of people, then his thing dwelled down. And but you got like I say, you got a lot of these coaches, you know, you got a lot of people who want to be on the main team. But I but that but that coach may not be able to get everybody, so then you know you trickle down to whoever, and but I used to I'd rather have a coach who wants to be fully invested in me than just me on the roster.

SPEAKER_02 48:24

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, 100%. I I I fully agree. Um, I think there are a lot of calls, and you don't want to get sucked into the the what was his name, Jensen that was training everybody.

SPEAKER_07 48:40

He's coming back.

SPEAKER_02 48:42

Is he really?

SPEAKER_07 48:43

Well, his he has a coaching team now that does coaching for him now.

SPEAKER_02 48:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 48:47

You remember later we talked about this, and we talked about how Balls Outlaw was getting everybody to come together.

SPEAKER_02 48:52

Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:54

As a prime example, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:56

That's another thing. Like, why would you why would you jump on the trend? As a top athlete, I wouldn't just jump on the trendiest trainer. I would I would be really selective who works with me in every aspect, my personality, knowing my body, knowing the food, can make the adjustments. I I always go to Asito because Asito seems to have all those uh all those uh attributes in one.

SPEAKER_07 49:27

Yeah, it's the style, though. It's the style. Like you raise a great point. The problem is a lot of these people now who want coaches figured, well, if I go with that coach, the judges know that coach, so I'm gonna get looked at automatically. That's why they do it. They just don't buy because their name, oh well, he's popular, judges know him. I'm for sure gonna get a good look.

SPEAKER_02 49:45

Yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah, the only problem is if you look like shit.

SPEAKER_01 49:50

But I'm gonna tell you, like, say yeah, say you the coach, you know what I'm saying? Ian is the coach, and all of us, you can be with the with them as you you are you open, you can be classy. I'm at 212. Cool, but when we all go on in the same, we all open a class or 212, and we go into the same coach, Ian might be more invested in one of y'all, or you know what I'm saying, than he is in me. That's a messed up situation, yeah. But as far as we got to know, not don't put yourself in this situation, though.

SPEAKER_02 50:22

Yeah, and I also think there are a lot of coaches that know what works for them and think what works for them applies to everybody, and they still do it, some of them still do it, you know. Um, and that's not really the case.

SPEAKER_04 50:36

Sorry, John, sorry to interrupt, but it's sometimes their way or the highway, like you said.

SPEAKER_02 50:40

That's it. Yep, that too. And the the person I'm thinking of uh is is Dorian Yates. Uh Dorian doesn't like free weight squats, Dorian doesn't like wide grip uh lat pulldowns because those things never worked for him. He would always rather do a close grip pull down, but he'd always rather do hack squats. And he and when you listen to his interview, he says it. He says, Ah, that's a that's uh an exercise that's you know irrelevant. I was like, well, wait a minute. I understand you're Mr. Olympian, it works for you, but it doesn't mean it doesn't work for everybody else. And it's uh it's very difficult to take yourself out of your own shoes and say, okay, you know, this doesn't work for this person, we have to try something else. And I think that comes from if you're the people that aren't top-tier bodybuilders, they're second, third tier bodybuilders, maybe never even turn pro, and then they coach. Because those guys really have to learn every little fucking thing. That's it, to become the better. But when you're somebody like Dorian or Phil Heath or Ronnie Coleman, I mean, anybody could have trained those guys and they would have been Mr. Olympia.

SPEAKER_07 52:07

Well, that's it. Back to your point. If you look at all the top coaches, name me at least two coaches, if you can, who worked with somebody who was just a nobody and built them up to somebody who they are today, right?

SPEAKER_02 52:18

Right, right. There's not one of them. The only one I could think of off the top of my head was Oscar Arden. He took Kai at very young.

SPEAKER_07 52:26

But Kai he did, but remember Kaya Young before he came to Oscar already had a physique. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:32

Oh, yeah. But Oscar had Victor too, then uh, yeah, but he had Victor later on, and he had Evan Sentopani, but Os Oscar because Kai and Oscar are both from Brooklyn, yeah. So um and John, he also he wins too. Who he had a heme as well. Oh, that's right, yes, that's right.

SPEAKER_05 52:52

Oscar had a team, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:55

He was a he was a good coach, stop coaching after the follow with Kai. Did he really? Yeah, yeah, I under that that probably hurt him really bad because he took Kai from uh I think I think he took Kai at a 18, 19, yeah, and then brought him all the way up to an auto classic victory, and then Kai left him for Farah. Yep. I that hurt that probably I think that hurt him. I did when I was thinking about doing a national level show, I went to go see Oscar Arden, and that's one of the things we he talked about. And he you could tell that it it had bothered him that he uh he uh left him for Farah. Now, who the hell knows? Sometimes you say to yourself, I've exhausted everything this coach could have. I need to move on. But from what I understand, Oscar had told me, and we're going back to 2014, 2015, the last time I competed. And he was uh, according to him, uh Kai just had brushed him off. Like didn't say to him, hey, look, I know we had a good run, but I'm ready to change and no hard feelings. Kai just basically uh stopped contact with him. Now, this is this is only one side of the story. We don't know the other side of the story, right? There's three sides to every story. This is what I'm just saying that what that Oscar had told me when I went to go, went to go uh and thank God I didn't fucking he wanted a fortune, by the way. But he had this dungeon in his basement in Brooklyn, and that's where he would train people. And I remember Evan Santapati would go from fucking Connecticut to Brooklyn every day to train with him in his dungeon in his basement. But um, you know, listen, um, I hope he's doing I hope he's doing good. So we'll see, we'll see exactly uh what happens. All right, last word, Ian. What do you think is gonna happen? You think it's gonna be Andrew's ja Andrew? Who do you think is gonna come in second? Good question.

SPEAKER_04 54:55

You know what? I wouldn't be I wouldn't be surprised if Brandon came in second. Surprised the account.

SPEAKER_02 55:01

Yeah. I would be nothing more than I would like. What do you think, Bo? Yeah. And Rich, what do you think? You think uh uh Andrew and then and then Brandon?

SPEAKER_07 55:15

Andrew walks away. I like Brandon. I I just have a weird feeling something something odd is gonna happen at the show. I don't know why I have this feeling, and I think Martin's gonna surprise people. It's gonna be Andrew Martin Branding or Andrew Martin blessing. That's what I have.

SPEAKER_02 55:33

Uh Ian, do you think uh where do you think Hakeem is gonna fall? Because I think Akeem could be blessing. Yeah, if he comes in shape.

SPEAKER_04 55:44

Comes in shape, Hakeem is fourth.

SPEAKER_02 55:47

Fourth. So you uh uh so you would think Andrew, oh yes, okay, I could see that. Andrew, Brandon O'Martin, and then Hakeem. I could see that. Yeah, I I think Akeem could be, I think Hakeem could be blessing. Hakeem's more uh uh well-rounded package, you know. All right, gentlemen, listen, I'm gonna let you guys go. Thank you very much for joining me, bro. It's uh fellas, it's always a pleasure. Much love, much respect. Thank you very much. And Ian, especially thank you for coming on uh for short notice and uh taking some time out tonight, man.

SPEAKER_07 56:19

But one question, one question. Go ahead. I want to make it known. I think, Bo, you have started the trend. Guys are gonna start training with wellness girls because I'm gonna hit my wellness girl up right now and do some legs.

SPEAKER_02 56:30

I think that's a fucking really good fucking point. Yeah, I think that's a really good fucking point. Yeah, because I I uh in in in golds and in signature, that's all you see those girls doing is fucking legs and glutes.

SPEAKER_04 56:41

Well, you saw the you saw the girl who Nick was training with, right?

SPEAKER_02 56:45

Nick Walker. Oh yeah, she's a beast, yeah. Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_04 56:49

She's she's at my gym. They're both they come to my gym.

SPEAKER_02 56:51

Which uh the new gym you go to uh yeah, Art of Revolution. I gotta go there. I haven't been there yet.

SPEAKER_04 56:58

You'll love John, you'll love it. You'll love it.

SPEAKER_02 57:00

You know what? I'll hit you up this weekend. We'll go together because we haven't trained in a while together.

SPEAKER_04 57:05

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:05

All right. All right, fellas, have a good night. Good night. Peace. Later.