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Muscle Talk! Is Marcelo Cruz responsible for Gabriel Gamley’s death? Derek and Andrew rivalry & more

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Lee Priest is back joining John Livia for an all new Muscle Talk as they discuss Gabriel Gamley's death, Derek and Andrew's rivalry and more.

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SPEAKER_02

All right, Lee Priest is finally back. How you doing, man? How was uh how was Italy?

SPEAKER_03

Uh good, good, it was good, busy, busy, long way. And I I'm not sure you saw my post, but you know, I had a few people contact me. Can you want to do an interview? Because on my flight home, I had the ISIS brides on board sitting one row up from me. Yeah, there was two. Yeah. They should never be allowed back. If you leave the country to go fight for ISIS, and then your husbands get killed, and they're like, Oh, we want to come home. And the the son of a couple already came back a couple of weeks ago. And there's photos of him, you can Google it, or they might be taken down now. But the father was so proud of his son holding up severed heads and that. What our kids back in Australia now? And yeah, but now the wives are back. It's like, and then one of the wives actually wrote a note, they're not sure which one. Yeah, and it said how coming back to Australia, they're gonna poison the food here and there and do whatever because we're the infidels, but they don't know which one did it. So but they're staying at a nice hotel now in Sydney.

SPEAKER_02

And uh I I just I don't I don't understand these governments, I don't know what's going on in Europe.

SPEAKER_03

The funny thing, funny funny thing was I sort of knew because I I could I knew they were coming back on a flight from Doha, and I was sort of looking, but yeah, a few of them addressed that way, but then I could hear a bit of conversation because you've got to fill out this card when you land. And I heard one saying, Oh, we don't have to fill that out. So when the plane landed, everyone got up. We're all excited. Everyone needs to sit in their seats immediately, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then on come two, just plain clothes things. And I'm like, normally when that happens, they come to take a criminal off first, but then they came down and got the women and kids. They had to leave all their carry-on on board. And I said, That's the ISIS brides. And a couple of women across from me, like, what? I said, I'm pretty sure that's the ISIS brides. And people around me heard me, they're just looking at me. I said, Yeah, they shouldn't be allowed back. And then a woman across goes, Well, I sort of feel sorry because they've been brown saying this other woman's like, No, they're not. I think it fucking if I had said that mid flight is the ISIS brides, it would have been a ride on the fucking plane. Yeah, oh my god. I I tell you, man, I I probably would have got arrested for starting the ride on the plane.

SPEAKER_02

I don't, I I there's no rhyme or reason, and I stopped doing the polit the political current event stuff. I'm out of my wheelhouse. I don't drive you mad.

SPEAKER_03

That drives you mad. I it's it drives you crazy, yeah. And so I just went back to doing the gangster stuff and the one I put up not long ago. Did you see that blonde-haired lady in government, Michaelie Cash, talking to the doctor about trans people getting pregnant and the thought of getting pregnant or something? Something like the assumption of pregnancy that if they don't get a job, because if the person says to them, Are you gonna have a baby or get pregnant? and they say, Yes, I'm thinking about it, and they're a trans person, they can sue them for not giving them the job because they want to have a baby. But these politicians like, but they're men, they can't have a baby. Oh no, but they could have the what planet am I on?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I just gave up, man. I really I tapped out. I tapped out on politicians, politics, current events, I tapped out because it, you know, I just can't keep up with it. It's not my wheelhouse. I don't have sources that are telling me what's going on, like I do with bodybuilding and so on and so forth, or even my other channel. But that being said, I can't wait till Nashville. Oh yes. I know it's not this weekend, it's the following weekend. And I'm I'm looking forward to uh talking to Austin uh from NutriFace. Um, and I'm also looking talk uh looking forward to talking to the other gentleman that Sid's gonna introduce me to. Did you see the nice head Sid just got? I did, I shared it on um on Instagram. They look pretty cool, man. I gotta get myself one, definitely. And uh, and I'll be honest with you, my other channel, I have a lot of faith in my other channel. I get I think the only thing that I'm missing on my other channel, because I have really good content on there. I have really good content. I just did a I just did a video about the Mexican mafia today in 2026 and who the shot and who the shot callers are and the Mexican mafia in prison in Folsom County, like who the guys that are fucking pulling the strings. And uh it was a great video. No, no death threats. Um, obviously, I had the adult at the tenants before that. I had uh a lot of uh uh organized crime. I had the former Hells Angels uh for head of Holds Angela of the Las Vegas, uh really great content. What I think I'm missing is um a partner that is ready to invest. So uh because I don't have the money to buy to invest in beautiful, big, beautiful studio. Well, yeah, we have like a couple of TVs here we can put different screens and and I also don't have the money to invest to get big-time social media personalities on the channel in person. These people want to get paid, they want to get flown out, they want to get paid. Um, so I'm really hoping that I can find a partner that is willing to invest. I mean, I would be doing all the work.

SPEAKER_03

I like that. I like that. Um I haven't still haven't finished the whole thing, but Mel Chance, I like that Sean Ryan podcast. He's got that I have a good setup, doesn't he? He's got a good setup on his head.

SPEAKER_02

Fantastic, fantastic, and he and um I had Mel Chansey on this channel, the bodybuilding channel, and this was about a year ago, and he told me he couldn't talk about the movie or anything that happened. So we talked about bodybuilding and he got into a little bit. So now that he is going to talk about it. Uh yeah, he has uh I forgot the guy's name that is playing him, but uh The Rock is producing it, seven bucks promotion is producing it, and the guy that plays the punishable. John Burnthal is playing him. I don't know why Mel Chancer used to be three. Oh, he was a 300 pound bodybuilder. And you have John Burnthal playing him. I was I would at least think the guy who played uh fucking merman, mermaid, what is his name?

SPEAKER_03

Uh oh, yeah, um, yeah, him um Jason Momoa.

SPEAKER_02

Jason Momoa.

SPEAKER_03

He's at his or even the uh or even the Australian guy, um, Nathan Jones, he'll he was the one in Troy, the bald guy in Troy.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah, but um I was immediately went to Jason Momoa because he's big, he's he's muscular, and he's an actual rider. He loves to ride motorcycles.

SPEAKER_03

That's a well it's a good thing. Well, it's a good thing Nolan's not doing it because he'd probably have someone like fucking Will Smith playing Will Smith.

SPEAKER_02

So that's what I'm going to be looking. I'm gonna be looking for a partner for the other channel, and then um hopefully things will work out. Plus, I'm I'm really looking forward to having fun with you in Nashville. So now, how long will you be home before you fucking get on another plane?

SPEAKER_03

Uh, today's Thursday, and I leave next Thursday.

SPEAKER_02

All right, at least we get shooting the breeze in.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, okay, that's cool. So then, yeah, because I'm flying out Friday. I'll be there Friday morning. All right, good.

SPEAKER_03

All right. While you were there too. Oh, I could, because I get there, oh, it's Wednesday that you do this show, isn't it? Thursday for me. Because I think I can I think it's Thursday for you too, because I like I get there Thursday in the afternoon. I could do this show that night from Nashville, but you do it the day before.

SPEAKER_02

So yeah, I do it the night before. I get confused. But I fly out there and I land at 8 30. So I'm probably just gonna go to the hotel, leave my bags, and come straight to you. Uh you're gonna be at the uh event. And then uh and then I have a whole bunch of shirts that I'm bringing for everybody. I got one for your wife, I got one for six wife, I got one for Wendy. But all right, let's get let's get to the topic. Okay There's two topics that I really want to cover. I want to cover the the Gabriel Gainley kid who uh passed away, uh tragically passed away this past weekend. You were in Italy, um, and I did a video on it just talking about the rumors that were circulating and how these young kids are really dying and so on and so forth. What a tragedy is. Okay, I don't want to get anybody in trouble. All right, but this particular source is all is an NPC bodybuilder, okay. And he basically said that Gabriel Gainley's trainer, who is Marcelo Cruz, who's a very popular trainer in Brazil, has a lot to do, is partially responsible for this kid's death because he really pushes a lot of drugs on his athletes. And when you're 22 years old, that's the problem with being successful at 22 years old. Number one, you can't handle it. Number two, you don't know who the vultures are and who they aren't. Now, I am going on strictly a source that is a secondhand. Okay, so I am not stating fact, I'm just telling you what I've been told from a credible source.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_02

So um this guy uh has sent me several different drug protocols that he sent him. He worked with him for two months and then he left uh Marcelo Cruz because he could kept telling him these are too much drugs, I don't want to use these much, these many drugs. And Marcelo Cruz tells him, from what I understand, he tells him, Well, this is what it takes, and you know, it is what it is.

SPEAKER_03

Well, sadly, young kids will believe that.

SPEAKER_02

Exactly, and that's the problem. The young kids will believe that. Now, he said to him, Yes, but I'm 41 and I want my health to be first, or 43 or something like that. And Marcelo Cruz says, I'm 41, this is what I do. But okay.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, but um, he showed me his page and um him at 41, if that's what he does. I would have went, I would, I would have gone, uh, you're not a good endorsement. I think that's what you're telling me. If you're telling me this is what you do and you look like that, uh, well, exactly what I said, I'm not doing it because I don't want to look like a bag of shit like you. No, he's looking like Ronnie Coleman at 41 and said this is what I do. I'm like, uh, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02

I'll fucking do it.

SPEAKER_03

If I'm looking at you and you're telling me that's what you do and you look like that, I'm like, okay, well, thank you.

SPEAKER_02

I'll I'll bring up his page. And again, I want to reiterate this is coming from a this is coming from a source that worked with the coach that worked with Gainley. This is this is strictly just coming from a source, and I'm delivering not fact, but I'm delivering what somebody told me, um, but I can't prove it. I'm only telling you what this source has told me. So here is one of the uh drug protocols he gave this guy, okay?

SPEAKER_03

41, the one that you gave the 41-year-old.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, right. 250 milligrams of testosterone and that date Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. So that's 750 milligrams a week. Okay.

SPEAKER_03

Can I just cut you there if I want to tell you something? Because I ran out of SUS 250, and I had my friend goes, all I've got's anthate, so he gave me a bottle. I just had a shot just before I come on the show. Yeah, it's 300 milligrams a mil. Right. And I had one like a couple of weeks before I went to um Italy. I had half a mil, so let's say like 150 once a week.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. No wonder I'm not growing.

SPEAKER_02

When you're in your prime, I want you to think about what you did and what or your peers did that you were competing.

SPEAKER_03

I never, I never did the only shots that I started every second day was Windstraw. But after a year, I got sick of it because it's water-based. I went every third day, and I thought, fuck it, because it's still looking. Sometimes I'd get that red and get all hot because it's water-based.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I went every fourth day, and I was still in great shape. And then out of the blue, like I said, I said it's at seminars, I was reading the bottle because it's a veterinary drug. I never read the bottle before because I had like a picture of a horse and that on it. I remember that. I remember that. Yes, yeah, yeah. And it said a horse, it says a horse. Yeah. Take two milligrams per hundred kilos every two weeks. I'm like, a horse takes two mil per 100 kilos every two weeks. Why the fuck am I taking a meal every second day, every third day? I'm like, That's a thousand-pound animal. Yeah. I just thought of common sense. Why the fuck am I doing that? So I just cut back, and you know what? I was in the exact same fucking shape when I cut back on it. And then when it came to other even like Anthate, they say it's fast acting. Like I said, I'll still still do one shot a week. I don't care.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. So here is he sent me several cycles that this guy up to 250 every second day of the day. 250 milligrams testosterone antonate, Monday, Wednesday, Friday. 50 milligrams of trembolone. I'm gonna add that up. That's 750 then. Okay. 50 milligrams of trembolone acetate every day, seven days a week.

SPEAKER_03

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. For how long?

SPEAKER_03

The whole cycle.

SPEAKER_02

Uh it doesn't say. 50 milligrams of Winstrel every day.

SPEAKER_03

Every day.

SPEAKER_02

Every day. 50 milligrams of Masteron Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. 50 milligrams of test propanate Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. You're fucking pincushion. And and he also wanted him to do Clembuterol on an empty stomach before he does cardio. And he also wanted him to Yeah, I know I hated Clembuterol. And he also wanted him to do insulin and growth hormone on top of this. Okay. So what happened was this particular uh bodybuilder that was competing in on an NPC level, okay? This is an NPC level. Uh told him this is too much. I don't want to do this much. So he gave him several other protocols.

SPEAKER_03

I never and I never hang on my heart, swear on my mother's life. I never did that much. Like I said, when it comes to oils, I didn't care what it was, I'll pick a Monday or one day a week, and that's when I had the oil shots. It's like he's practically pinning every day, isn't he? There, and a couple of times a day almost.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. So when he said that he didn't want to do this much, he sends him another protocol. And this is there's like three, there's four different protocols he sends him, but they're all basically around the same kind of thing. So the the second protocol he sends him is 250 milligrams of testosterone and ant date Monday, Wednesday, Friday, 200 milligrams of trembolone and antate Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. 200 then instead of 50 a day. Oh 100 milligrams of NPP on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. What's that? NPP is a fast-acting deca, basically.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, okay. Shows what I know. I'm not up with it.

SPEAKER_02

50 milligrams of anadrol every day pre-workout. And this he also kept stressing GH and insulin. Okay. Now this is he they kept going back and forth, and he kept telling him I can't.

SPEAKER_03

To me, that just sounds as bad as the first one. He's just changed the amounts on change the amounts on different days.

SPEAKER_02

So now it looks like he's he's lighting up the load because the guy is complaining this is way too much. So now it is 75 milligrams of testosterone and antidate Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. 50 milligrams of tremblone and anti Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. 50 milligrams of NPP Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. Okay. And the last protocol he send them. And he basically left them after this, right? Uh-huh. Uh 250 milligrams testosterone and anti-8 Monday, Wednesday, Friday. 200 milligrams of Trembolone and anti-8 Monday, Wednesday, Friday. NPP Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Anadrol everyday, Clembuterol, insulin, GH. So after all this going back and forth, the guy was like, look, Mrs. Too much. We should not work together after being two months. Okay. Now there is a text message going back and forth. I'm gonna keep both sources anonymous.

SPEAKER_03

Okay. I'm just trying to hold on and make this louder because for some reason it's not coming out on speakerphone. I can hear it coming out the earpiece, but I can still hear it, okay? But it's not as loud.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, you can hear me though? Yep, but it's just really low. So this here are the text messages. So now this particular bodybuilder, NPC bodybuilder, talking about an NPC bodybuilder wanting him to do all these fucking drugs, right? Here is an NPC bodybuilder who goes and gets another trainer. So he wants to compete, but he doesn't want to do all these drugs. So he reaches out to him when the kid, Gabrielle Gainley, dies, and he says to him, uh the bodybuilder says, Bro, what happened to Gabrielle Gainley? So young, 22, is it related to drug abuse? Uh his trainer writes back, and he said, you know, how did the kid die? And he said, um taking insulin, his coach is a motherfucker. And he clears it up. He goes, Cruz, and he goes, Yes, he's a dumbass. He's all about PEDs. I worked for him for one month, I don't like his style. Uh there's a lot of drugs, especially over 40, because he's 40 years old. I told him I was 42. That was two years ago. His answer was I'm 41, and this is what it takes. So, and the guy writes, You're totally right. Uh, he writes, poor gainly, he was cool, always happy, good kid. And he wrote back, he is a freak, abuser, seems he wants to kill the people around him. Is this guy apparently does not have a good reputation?

SPEAKER_03

Um, has he worked with any like pros out of Brazil or just imagine?

SPEAKER_02

I honestly don't know.

SPEAKER_03

I'll I'll I'll bring up his Instagram, and there's a couple of things that just I wonder why, like I said, if the kid was insulin, I wonder what it was just uh too much and then he didn't get the food in time, or but then someone said it was also heart. Well, look, someone said it was a heart condition as well, but you know that's anything can lead to that if you take it here at that age.

SPEAKER_02

So well, that's the biggest problem, right? Is if you're young and you have some kind of genetic heart problem or any kind of issue, whether heart, kidney, or something, you know, even more severe, and you don't know about it, these drugs are just gonna amplify it.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And in my last video, I said the the the young kids that do well when they're successful at a young age have good people around them. The good people around them keep the vultures away, they keep the pricks away. And it looks like this guy um really didn't care. I mean, again, I which I want to reiterate this is coming from a source, not me. I can't factually back this up. This is what people from Brazil are telling me.

SPEAKER_03

Well that sadly, too, probably someone couldn't help him because if you're young too, and somebody said, Are you taking any gear? Being young, you could be embarrassed and go, Yeah, I'm just taking a bit of test. You probably wouldn't want to tell someone the amount of gear you're taking if that's the cycle you're on.

SPEAKER_02

And according to this source, this kid was taking similar amounts of what he I just read, plus GH, plus insulin, plus clambuterol, and God knows what else, right? God, god knows what else. And the kid is only uh 22 years old, and I did a video and I said when young kids become successful overnight, they mentally can't handle it. They don't know who the vultures are, they don't know who the good people are. The only way they really do well is if they have good people that care about them family, good friends, mentors.

SPEAKER_03

I'm glad they get social media too, because he had a couple of million followers, and now you figure he thinks he's gotta keep up this image on social media now and he's got to look a certain way and do this and do that. So he's thinking the bigger I get or the better I look, I'm gonna impress more people. That's the mindset of these young kids wanting to be influencers.

SPEAKER_02

They just I mean, before we pull up this guy's Instagram, when a young kid, 20, 21, 22, says to you, I want to be a bodybuilder, uh, what should my drug protocol be? Um, first of all, I tell if they come to me and say it, I tell them if you're under 21, don't touch anything. Don't touch anything.

SPEAKER_03

Or if you're like me too, I'd be like, How's your training and nutrition first and all that shit before we even get into the drugs?

SPEAKER_02

Exactly. Exactly. Uh, and I will the first contest I ever did, I was 23 years old, and I did a Mr. Staten Island contest, and I used two pink D balls a day, which were which were 10 milligrams each.

SPEAKER_03

They're not bad, but they're they're pretty good, those pink ones. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Remember back in the day, those pink ones?

SPEAKER_03

Well, I well even when I did when I was competing in the pros and did the pink ones, I I only did twenty to thirty milligrams a day.

SPEAKER_02

I was doing twenty a day, twenty milligrams a day. Day. I was using Primabolin and Winstrel. That was it. And Winstrel was every other day, and Primabolin was twice a week. Now I don't remember the milligrams because um it was so long ago. We're talking 1999. I didn't touch GH till I was 37 years old. And I never did insulin.

SPEAKER_03

I never did, never did insulin. I did growth 92. Was it 94, 92 or 94? And I never saw any difference from it because I was still young. I was like 22, 23. I went, fuck this, the amount of money it costs me. I'm sticking to Winstrahl and Stanisov, and that was it. Yeah, I never oh that's never even never even thought about insulin at the time.

SPEAKER_02

So so here's this guy's uh here's the here's this guy.

SPEAKER_03

There's another young kid there, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, so this is him to the left. Again, I I can't reiterate it enough with Sophia Lagar or whatever it is. Yeah, I I yeah, really. I can't reiterate this enough. This is coming from sources from Brazil that watched my show that contacted me. They will all remain anonymous. I'm not looking to get anybody in trouble, but this is a good idea.

SPEAKER_03

This does it for me. The outfit, the socks, the shorts, and that cutoff shirt does it for me.

SPEAKER_02

This is every this so this is what they are telling me. And so when you go down, there's a couple of what's that?

SPEAKER_03

What's that group photo? Is that the gym photo, is it? Or is that clients? That's just a gym photo.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, there he is in the middle.

SPEAKER_03

Um, yeah, and it looks like it looks like a big gym or client.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it looks like all young uh young guys and girls. Um of them are really concerning, like this picture. I don't know if this is his son or if this is uh I mean there's no translate button on let me see. Is there a translate button? I don't see one. No. Unfortunately, I don't speak Portuguese, but this could be this could just be his son. I I really don't know. Uh, but then you have, you know, like this, you know. I mean, these are very, very young girls.

SPEAKER_03

She's on the she's on the growth and rid of True Troy.

SPEAKER_02

I you know, so um and he's like he looks like he's got some decent bodybuilders, you know. Um, I don't know who that is, but looks like he's got some guys. But and and this is the problem. If this is what is true, if this is accurate, this these are people that are vultures. These are people that take advantage of this young kid, um and the kid puts his trust in you because he doesn't know any better.

SPEAKER_04

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02

And um he just goes along and says, Well, if if he says that this is what it takes, well, then this is what I'm gonna do.

SPEAKER_04

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02

Uh I uh when I was 37, well, yeah, 37, I went to go talk to Oscar Arden, and I went to go talk to another trainer out in Jersey. And I was I had I had won three Masters shows in the NPC, and I was thinking about doing Team Universe or the Masters uh uh Masters Nationals, and all three of them said you uh both of them said you gotta try you gotta try GH, you gotta up the GH, you gotta try insulin, because I was using GH. You gotta try you gotta up the GH, you gotta use insulin, and you're it seems to be you're very conservative with the stuff. And I tapped out. I'm like, no, I'm not not doing it. But you see, the brain at 38 is completely different from 21, 22.

SPEAKER_03

Well, I that's where I said I've always used small amounts, and the good thing for me, yes, I've got good genetics and respond to small amounts, but that's why I never went up. And 2000, how old would I have been in 2000? 28? Would I be in 28 if I was born in 72? Yeah, that's when Hani wanted to work with me for the show. And like I said before, he he'd like my diet and training, but he gave me a list, and there's like eight different drugs, and I said, I ain't doing that, I'm not doing it, I ain't taking eight different fucking drugs, and he got mad. He goes, What'd you put in the magazine for? I said, Well, that's what you told me to do. Yeah, right. Yeah, I'm not doing it.

SPEAKER_02

So um, it's unfortunate, but there's always gonna be people that take advantage of people, vultures, and he might. This guy might just be partially responsible for this kid's death.

SPEAKER_03

Well, if he's the one that gave him the cycle and the young kid's falling, and this guy's telling him you gotta do this. Well, then it's pretty much like a fucking drug dealer giving you fucking heaps of coke and going, here you go, it's got fentanyl if it's got fentanyl in it, you take it and die. Well, yeah, it it's just I know if I was that young and somebody asked me what was I taking, I'd probably be embarrassed to list that all off and go, uh, a little bit of test and decker. Right, right, right, right, right, right. So no one would have known to tell him, hey, cut back on this or cut back on that, because he might have, you know.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, no question about it. And I guarantee, I guarantee you, if that kid cut his amounts in half, he would look just as good.

SPEAKER_03

Easy, easy. And I that's what I tell people now when they call me a liar and they tell me the large amounts are on. I said, look, if you don't believe me, I said, whatever you're doing now, come off clean, go clean a couple of months and go back on and take half of what you're taking. I said, I guarantee you'll make the same results. If you don't, go back to your stupid fucking amount you're doing now, but just give it a go. But they won't because they've started so high, they think they've got to keep fucking going higher every cycle because somebody like that tells them this is what you got to do, this is what they're doing, right? And they believe it, which is sad. It really is. Um, that's what frustrates me because I come along telling the small amounts I've done, and I've had my friends do it, yeah, and they've got good results, and they're like, Oh, Lee, that's just I said, No, it worked for my friends too. Just try, but they won't. Oh, you're lying, or you guys take large amounts. I'm like, no.

SPEAKER_02

I do okay. Here's what I'm doing: anywhere from 250 to 500 milligrams of test a week, four four units of GHN. That's it. Yeah, that's what I'm doing at my age at 50 years old. I refuse to do any more orals, I refuse to do trend, I refuse to do insulin, I used to refuse to do master on, and I'm very happy with the way I look and so on, so but now don't get me wrong. When I was young, I did stupid things too, but never to this extreme.

SPEAKER_03

No, I didn't even do that now. As a professional on the Olympia stage, I didn't do a cycle like that.

SPEAKER_02

Now I know there were guys, I know NASA when NASA comes up to.

SPEAKER_03

I heard Tom Prince would sometimes go high on different stuff. There, there are a few exceptions that are real who did push it. But then again, like we said, could they have made it with high look a lot of them now? You listened to Fouad's podcast with Fouad and Bean, and even sadly Boston Lloyd in the end. They all said they came down and made the same gains. You talk to Xavier, who's like, you know, know Samson well, or even Fouad says Samson is using a lot less than he used to. And look at him grow. So that's you know, there's a perfect example. Yes, he's got great genetics, but yet he had this large amount, but then he came down and he's still making the gains. So you don't need it, people. I said, I've always said the only one who's gonna benefit is the guy you're buying it off because you're using so much, he's getting rich when you could make the same gains on half that shit.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Now, the only thing, the only good thing I heard about this guy is that he was reasonably priced. I heard he was I heard he was that's nice. Yeah, I heard he was charging five to six hundred dollars American per month.

SPEAKER_03

But now in Brazil, it's not really reasonably priced when you lose your life. Yeah, yeah. What's it cost? Your life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good point.

SPEAKER_02

Very good point. But I don't know if in Brazil, if five to six hundred dollars on Americ in American dollars is considered like a tremendous amount of money. I don't know how the currency translates, you know.

SPEAKER_03

Well, it depends. If you had fucking 50 to 100 clients paying 500 or so a month, that you know, yeah, you could because there's a lot of the like the popular like when I said I've been to Brazil like four times when I was with Black Skull, like Sampolo and that, and the amount of people who are in the industry in the gyms down there, if you were just charging 500 and you had a lot of clients, that's all you'd have to charge, you know. It'll charge a little bit less, but get lots of people, and you're right.

SPEAKER_02

Right, right. Um, by the way, one of the I I think I I texted you this, but I didn't I haven't spoken to you on the show. A gentleman that watches our show, his name is John.

SPEAKER_03

Um, yes, I saw that with the gift bag.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and he has he has your gift bag right here.

SPEAKER_03

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02

So I will make sure I bring this to Nashville and you will get your gift bag.

SPEAKER_03

Thank you, John Mancini.

SPEAKER_02

Yes, yes. I will make sure that you get it personally.

SPEAKER_03

I'll personally deliver it to you. John's is really in the bodybuilding because he watches this podcast. I see him on Xavier sometimes and on the I forget where he lives. Is up is he up that way somewhere? In Connecticut.

SPEAKER_02

Connecticut, okay, yeah. In Connecticut. And um when when I got it, when I got everything, I called him on Facebook and thanked him. Because, you know, you gotta remember, Lee, like somebody like yourself, I know you're still grateful, uh, but I'm sure people give you free shit all the time because you're Lee Priest. This is all new to me. I never got free shit in my life. So I called him directly and had a conversation with him for about 20 minutes. I thanked him for everything. And I told him I promise Lee Priest is going to get his gift bag. Um, there is a card in there from him, and there's also a t-shirt. Thank you. Uh I also told him though, I don't know how much he's going to be able to show what he got on Instagram because he is going to be under contract with another supplement company. But I told him though, I promise you have my word he will get the he will get the kitty. Come on. Um, now I want to make a a transition to Derek and Andrew. And this is what I want your opinion on. First of all, you've been having a blast with the AI stuff, and some of them are fucking hilarious.

SPEAKER_03

But that's what I said. I'm just like I said, I am. When I tagged Andrew and Derek in that last one, where they're like Derek's giving that speech where he goes, You can't beat me because of what's in here. If you look at mine, when he says that he goes, What's in here? Nothing is in here.

SPEAKER_02

Can I can I pull it up?

SPEAKER_03

Because you know, it was I want to pull that one up and I want to pull the uh is that is that like a marijuana type convention when he's giving the speech and then fucking hilarious. Like I said, I just make little one what it doesn't have to be them. Whatever's in the news that I find funny in bodybuilding that day, I'm gonna make a little AI video about it because people need to laugh.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, actually, let me go back. I got it.

SPEAKER_03

There's Jimmy, there's Jimmy and Greg in the hospital.

SPEAKER_02

Oh dude, that one, I'm gonna play that one, but I have to actually do this and this and it is so fucking funny, dude.

SPEAKER_03

Uh there it is there over to the side, the smoke field room.

SPEAKER_02

That's it. Right here. Oh, this is so fucking funny, man.

SPEAKER_05

Nobody can get to. You want to know why? Because there's nothing in there. Keep smoking that shit. What's in my head?

SPEAKER_02

Nobody can it's it's what's in my head. Nothing is in there. It's hilarious, but the best one, this one had me rolling. I couldn't. This one was great, man. I can't take it anymore.

SPEAKER_00

You're right, Jimmy. We need to stop. I have your results. What is it? You have new A nitis. You caught from Jewish Dave of Rx. I suggest you do not go on the show for a while until you recover.

SPEAKER_01

Thank God. Jewish Dave. Here is all the tips from YouTube. That's great, but don't tell Greg or Jimmy. Oh, fuck, here they come. Any tips, Dave? Yeah, here's a little bit. Here you go. Jimmy is 2250, and Greg, you get $3.50.

SPEAKER_05

You cheap fucking Jew, or it's done.

SPEAKER_01

I can't take it anymore.

SPEAKER_03

You gotta have a laugh, thank you.

SPEAKER_02

That was fucking hilarious. So you're you know, you're having a blast with that, and it's so much fun.

SPEAKER_03

I had a lot of driving to do in Italy. That's when I made that whole movie thing and put you in it, went down under in Sydney and the whole thing.

SPEAKER_02

That was great. Yeah, but my favorite one is still the professional wrestling one. That's still my favorite one. Oh the Royal Rumble.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, that one yeah, well, we come walking out.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, it's fucking great, man. But I just want to uh I want to shift to Derek and Andrew Jack. Now the first thing I want to ask you is do you think it's sincere or do you think it's all theatrics from Derek?

SPEAKER_03

Well, I I do have a source where it I know Derek was pissed off with the whole him not wanting to train legs and stuff and travel with them. So he had a different flight and he turned up late. So Derek found that a bit disrespectful. So I think it is it is a thing, but you know, the way it comes across with Derek, it just doesn't seem like I don't know, it was I don't know, because Derek that look, I'm sure he's a great person, but you know, and I'm sure, like I said, he I know I know he was annoyed because I know Andrew didn't want to train legs and that, but Derek wanted to do legs and that sort of thing. And he did get there late because of his flight was late, so that made even Derek worse because they're doing that Olympia TV thing and that's uh I know he was annoyed there, but now with uh going on and talking about it, like yeah, it's like just seems a bit like to me. It's like say all you want, but come to data show, that's when it counts. So just shut up and prove it on stage, you know what I mean? It's like you know, it's like it's entertaining at the well, keep going because I can keep make good AI videos, so keep it up, people. Keep it up, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And supposedly, and when Andrew won the Arnold Classic USA, Derek did not congratulate him backstage. And you know, everybody knows they have the same trainer, Sito.

SPEAKER_03

But I just saw that on um was it Suki or someone interviewed him and he said that was totally false. That didn't happen. But you know, anything could be in two, you could be backstage. Yeah, he might he mightn't have seen him or he might have been like, you know, could you be preoccupied thinking about something because someone could walk past and you're not even like, oh, you know, if you saw him, you're like, oh hi, but if you're not, they could have walked past and go, I didn't even see you. So, but then he could have, you know, in contest mind mode, anything could be taken the wrong way.

SPEAKER_02

So yeah, and it's a kind you know, it could be. I mean, Derek is very famous, people want to take pictures with him, people want to shake his hand. It could very well be that it was just you know an oversight. Uh-huh. The thing is though, if if Derek is comfortable being the villain, then he's doing a great job at it.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, well, play it up, play it up.

SPEAKER_02

If if but if you're if you're if you're not comfortable being the villain and you don't like that people don't like you, this is not helping him. So if you're comfortable being the villain, this is great.

SPEAKER_03

You know, then they turn they pretty much turned Phil Leaf into the villain after that documentary with Kyle Green and that remember. So I think Phil sort of embraced it back then when it happened.

SPEAKER_02

So just I mean, a lot of people did. Phil did, obviously, fucking Arnold did. You know, um, but if that's the route you're gonna take, then you're gonna you gotta expect a lot of hate. You gotta expect a lot of terrible comments. And uh if you're okay with being a villain and you're okay with this being a theatrix, but the thing is are you walking a fine line though, being a villain when you're really religious?

SPEAKER_03

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02

It this might not. This I don't that's why I'm like, is it sincere or is it just theatrics? I don't I don't know. I don't know if we'll ever find out. I really don't know.

SPEAKER_03

Um, because he's I think I think I think the talking could be theatrics the way he's talking and that. Look, I did know from the a very good source, I can tell you off camera who it was, so you'll know it's true that he was annoyed in that when he was late, this and that. But now I think rather than go on with the theatrics, he could just be talking, say, look, I was pissed off, he got there late, and I'm gonna show him come Olympia time. You don't really need to play into it any more than that. Just be like, I was annoyed, and this and that, but you know, don't keep harping on about it any more than that. So come today to show, you'll see, I'm gonna beat him. That's it. That's it.

SPEAKER_02

And um I I other than that, I like the rivalry. I like talking about it. Yeah, you know, I do. It makes it Samson.

SPEAKER_03

Samson needs to get involved now and say, Well, what about me? Samson's not really that type. You really I know, but because he's talking about, you know, Andrew beating him, but it's almost like it's him and Andrew, him and Andrew. It's like Sam should go jump in and go, You forgot about me.

SPEAKER_02

Don't forget, don't forget Hardy either, man.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, yeah, and he's looking good at the moment. Look, like and I said, I think Hardy's going for that one last big one. Yeah, because everyone's he was gonna retire this year. But I think if I was him, I'd be go to the doctor. Is my heart good? Live the kidneys are good, melos. Let's just go one. Let's just go one.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, this is anybody's game. Uh I like the idea that Derek is very confident and he's playing the villain, yeah. That's entertaining, and he's building the this uh this uh rivalry. But the truth is, this is this is those top four guys could take it. You know, look at what happened last year. Samson slipped, uh Hadi was uh uh a little bit off, and uh Derek took it. Andrew wasn't as good as he is this year, but you never know. It's not, and here's the thing, it's not like Derek was always 100% spot on.

SPEAKER_03

He's missed the mark here, but last win I did I didn't think he was at his best really when he won that.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

But I saw um what was it? Just uh go in the box that I got my phone on, so my phone's moving. There was um, I must have clicked on it. There was Frank Seppi and Weinberger. Yes, and I don't know who who Weinberger. Weinberger said there's possibly eight guys who could take it.

SPEAKER_02

I was trying to think of who all the other who the others were, but he said I mean you look at guys like Tony O'Burton. Oh, yeah. You look at guys, I don't know if Nick is doing the Olympia, it doesn't look like he's doing the Olympia. I mean, you look at guys like Tony O'Burton, you look at guys like Crizo, um, then you have a whole bunch of guys that have not competed yet. The Jordan Hutchinsons, yeah, and the Regan Grimes, and you go down the list, and these guys have not even fucking they're not on nobody's radar because they haven't competed yet.

SPEAKER_03

Well, they might say two, and they might not win it, but they could bump some of those other guys out of the top five if they're not on.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, you got William Bonack that looks amazing. He's doing a show. You have uh you have Brandon, who's no even though he missed the mark a little bit, he's no joke. This is this is really shaping up to be. I wish Nick would do it. I wish Nick was in there. I don't think he's gonna be in this initial, but I really wish he would be. People are gonna really not like him.

SPEAKER_03

Derek's gonna have to, he's gonna have to come in his best ever because if you are gonna play the villain and talk that talk and say, as long as I'm in it, you're not beating me and stuff like that. You better bring your A game because you're gonna look like an idiot if he beats you.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. The one thing that I'm confident about with Derek and Andrew, and I know people say that it doesn't matter, blah blah, but the truth doesn't matter is when Asido is in your corner, he knows exactly what to do. And the best thing about Asido is he shuts all the noise out. He doesn't pay attention to social media, he doesn't pay attention to what the judges say, he doesn't he know exactly what has to be done, and he's not diverted from that.

SPEAKER_03

You know, he know Andrew won a million dollars, so he could be in a seed as ego and just add a bit more salt to Derek's talk, there's a bit more cash, yeah. Come on, just over carb him, overcarbon.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, don't cut his water this year. Yeah, right. Okay, it's just you know, but when you are the villain, it is not an easy some guys, some athletes love it. Mayweather loved being the villain, fucking loved it.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, some get away with it.

SPEAKER_02

Loved being the villain.

SPEAKER_03

Is it like is he a bit of is entertaining? Doesn't um Strickland play the villain a bit sometimes, or is just uh Strickland, who's the Irish guy?

SPEAKER_02

McGregor? Uh McGregor.

SPEAKER_03

He's he's coming back, isn't he? When's he fighting again soon?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, he is fighting again soon. I'm not sure who or where, but he is fighting again soon. Some guys really um embrace.

SPEAKER_03

If you're a good villain, though, people can get behind the deal. Like, look in movies, it's like when he he fled you as the Joker, you're rooting for him.

SPEAKER_02

More than any antagonist. If you don't have a good antagonist in the movie, the movie's shot.

SPEAKER_03

Or I remember that movie. What was it? Swordfish, where John Travolta was sort of like it was a good guy, but a bad guy. Or then it even um that's a classic. Even in Broken Arrow, he was a sort of that broken bad one. Classic. Or um, what's his name? John Lif going cliffhanger. Yeah, he was like good. The deal is you love them so much because they're such they're such arseholes, you like them.

SPEAKER_02

No, you gotta have a good antagonist in a movie or a show because then you because then you really cheer for the protagonist. And and the best example I could give for that, I don't know if you watched Game of Thrones. No, never watched it. All right, so Game of Thrones, if you ever get a chance to watch, it's a great show.

SPEAKER_03

There's too many seasons. I'll be there for a year.

SPEAKER_02

Eight seasons, dude, and like two spin-off shows. It's insane. I know there was this one villain called his name was uh Ramsey Bolton, and he played a psychopath, a fucking psychopath, and you hate his guts. And the and the the the the um hero is Jon Snow, and they actually go to war and uh he plays such a uh an amazing villain that when Jon Snow finally gets to him and beats the shit out of him, right?

SPEAKER_01

You're like yes, fucking kick bro.

SPEAKER_02

He he chopped fucking Jon Snow's brother's dick off, he raped his sister, he killed his other little brother right in front of him. There's a scene where they're gonna go to war, and he has his little brother hostage, and he says to his little brother, um, go ahead, run to him. Here's the game. The game is if you could run to your brother and you get there, then you're free. But you have to run, those are the rules, and he's running, and as he's running, he's just fucking pulling the arrow back, boom, and the fucking set uh the first two miss. And then Jon Snow jumps on his horse and he tries to get to him as soon as he and right before Jon Snow's able to grab him, boom, the arrow hits him, and that's his little brother. Bro, you cannot have a great rivalry without a good villain. I don't care what anybody says.

SPEAKER_03

I saw the I sorry, I saw the end of because it kept popping up because I love the boys. You ever watch the boys?

SPEAKER_02

I have I watched the first season, I never got into the show.

SPEAKER_03

I was gonna say, because I love Homelander because he just gets worse and worse, and he's like a good, he's almost like Superman, but he's also a gunt.

SPEAKER_04

So it's like yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

But in the you've probably seen because it pops up, but he gets killed in the end now. I'm like, oh, what'd you have to kill him off for? Because he was so good at being an asshole. I didn't want him to die.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, sometimes sometimes they sometimes they kill the villain way too soon.

SPEAKER_03

It's like the Heath Ledger hit. They wouldn't have killed him off because he would have just kept on going and just fucking ripping into that man or whoever, because he was just such a even like when he came into that thing and he's doing that magic retreat with the pan against the guy's head.

SPEAKER_02

I honestly love Bane. I love Tom against Bane. I thought he was phenomenal in that as the villain.

SPEAKER_03

You're talking about doing another Bane because they're talking about maybe even Martin Ford playing Bane or something. Oh yeah, that would be pretty good. It would be he wouldn't be able well, yeah. The comic book people are like, but he's not because Bane was some, was he like from Bosnia or somewhere? So, like, really he wasn't. I told you I missed out on Bane. That's the story.

SPEAKER_02

You have the mask, you just could dub in the fucking voice, it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_03

I missed out on Bane, you know, and even Joel Schumacher told my friend because I went up for the role. Did you really? Yes, but yeah, when um because my friend um Christian Boving was does did a lot of movies, and he was one of the henchmen in the movie in that. So I went up for the role. Which Bane? The the the one with poison ivy that Mr. Freeze was in.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, the old one, okay.

SPEAKER_03

I saw that the Christian Bale one, okay. The old one. So okay. It came down to me and Jeep Swenson. Remember Jeep Swenton? He's to be sponsored by Metrix. That that I think so, yeah. And Joe Schumacher told my friend Christian Bove he goes, don't tell Lee how close it was he'll kill himself. But the reason they went the reason they went with Jeep was because in the movie he's like Poison Ivy's henchman, like bodyguard. I remember that. Of course, Urma Furman's so tall, and Jeep was like six something. That's why he got over me because of the height thing and that. But he said, to make it up to Lee, tell him to come up here. And so I went up there and Joel Schumacher, because he knew I like Superman, yeah, took me down, did a set when they were filming Lois and Clark to make it up to me. And as we're walking out, the back all the suits are hanging up. I said, Well, to make it up to me, do you think they'll miss one of these suits? They're not gonna fucking fit you anyway. You're a beast. I'm gonna just take one, but yeah, but yeah, the first bane that came down to me and Jeep.

SPEAKER_02

The Bane with Tom. That's amazing. That's an amazing story. I did not know that. The Bane with Tom Hardy to me was phenomenal, just phenomenal. That's like his voice in it too. He got the voice good. That's great. The scene when he pulls off the robbery at uh at uh at the stock exchange, and then he goes to see the guy that apparently uh funded him all the money. And uh he says, Do you feel in charge? You know, he puts his and he said, I paid you a fortune. He was that gives you power over me. And then he just grabs his face and snaps his neck. It was just he was just so fucking good in that shit.

SPEAKER_03

But even from the beginning of the first scene, was it in the plane when they're hijacking the plane? That was great, the planes hanging this way and stuff.

SPEAKER_02

And out of all three of the Christian Bell Bat ones, that one's my favorite. The Joker one was good too. I don't have to watch that one again.

SPEAKER_03

I don't watch the Bane one for and then almost in the end, too, you felt sorry for him, remember? Because then you come to find out that he was in love with the girl or something, yeah, something like that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

That was a great and even even the street fight with the cops and Bain's people when the cops oh yeah, when they're like fighting on the stairs and all that. Oh man, that was fucking great, man.

SPEAKER_03

Is that when he gave that big speech, didn't you? Didn't you give a speech out there or something on the stairs?

SPEAKER_02

Yes, that's right. But then when when the cops think the cops think they're outnumbered, and then uh Batman comes with the fucking the the the the airplane, the bat pipe or whatever, and blows shit up and they all fucking cheer and they attack.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, that was fucking great, man.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, you gotta love it.

SPEAKER_03

Which Batman wasn't where he oh, that's the one we took the bomb out over the ocean, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And supposedly he had died, but then they they bring him back at the end. Yeah, man. So basically, getting back to the topic on hand, um, Derek, if Derek wants to play this villain role, he's gonna have to get used to it, and he's gonna have to get used to a lot of hate because Andrew, everybody loves Andrew Jacked. Yeah, everybody loves Andrew Jacked. Andrew is the most likable.

SPEAKER_03

I've got AIDS now of Derek wearing the Bane mask. Yes, yeah, you gotta do that. Olympia? You think you can beat me?

SPEAKER_02

Yes, you dude, you gotta do that. I was the one where he goes, I was born in the darkness. Yeah, you remember that part? Oh, yes, yes. When they're in the sewer and they're fighting, and he goes, Oh, you think darkness is your ally? Well, I was born in the dark. Oh, dude, that I was born for the Olympia stage. Do we do that when Andrew Jack is Superman and Derek and Spain? Oh, do that, man. That would be fucking great, man. That would be great. Yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_03

Sitting there discussing it between each other in like in the pump up in the pump up room, one's bane or one sort of beat me.

SPEAKER_02

It's amazing how you're actually uh how you're actually making bodybuilding fun through this these AI stuffs. It's unbelievable. People are enjoying it. Oh, I fucking love it. I watch everyone.

SPEAKER_03

I tag him and then I say live, love, laughs. I just enjoy it.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it's funny, it's fantastic.

SPEAKER_03

I'll I'll come up with something. I don't I don't know if I'll be able to use it exactly because sometimes I've tried because I put up a picture of me in the Superman suit and said can't do. So I wonder whether it could be copyright on different things, but I could just say have like some sort of mask on, like a sub-zero type mask, or yeah, similar to a Bane mask, and just I'll see what I can do.

SPEAKER_02

In Nashville, you gotta show me how you do all that stuff when they say when you when they we hang. I'm looking really looking forward to Nashville, man. I've never been there. Yeah, so a week. Yeah, so but you're doing a whole you're doing a whole American tour, right?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah, somewhere there, Illinois, yeah. Somewhere I don't know.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah, I don't know. You'll leave that to Sid, right? I just get off the plane and off we go. Yeah, hopefully we have some time to hang out and have some fun at night.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, yeah, yeah. Um I think the expo we're on there from nine to ten to two and that. Then after that, it's other stuff we're gonna go do.

SPEAKER_02

So oh, that's cool. Okay, cool. All right, big Lee. I'm gonna let you go. I appreciate it. You gotta go to the end of the vet. I hope the dog is okay, man. Thank you. I'll text you a little bit later and check on the dog.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, and see if I'll see if I come up with a good villain ID for those two. Yeah, all right. I'll talk to you later, bro. I'll have him dead dressed up as the wicked witch. Wait, wait, wait, wait. If you make him the wicked witch.

SPEAKER_02

If you make him Anthony Hopkins, that Hannibal Lecter.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, yeah, that's make Derek Hannibal Lecter behind behind behind in a glass cell. Well, great. That would be fucking great. I think it's some sort of quotes that he said in when he was in that glass cell talking to Clarice.

SPEAKER_02

I ate his liver with some funny things on the yati.

SPEAKER_03

He's like, Well, hello, Andrew. I ate it with some chicken breasts and rice. Yeah, that would be great.

SPEAKER_02

I'll see what I can do. All right, sounds good, brother. I'll talk to you soon. Okay, bye. Later.