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Yo, what's up, people? I don't know. I skipped that 30-second thing. Uh Anabolic Academy, John Livia. Uh Arman Adibi should be joining me shortly. We're going to be talking about what steroids to avoid. And then we are going to be talking about uh DECA and if it really does cause erectile dysfunction and all the fun stuff. And if it does, why it causes erectile dysfunction. But first, um, okay, I know. Uh I prevail subs. Go in my description, click the link, buy something. Jason Owens is uh progressing, he's doing better, but show your support. Go there, buy anything. He's got hats, he's got shirts, he's got plenty of supplements. Uh buy something, show your support. Uh use the discount code SNS10. And uh because he's doing better. He is, he's doing much better. He's progressing, and he should be uh, you know, back in another maybe month or two. And we'll uh we'll go from there. Hopefully he continues to progress and uh and do better. And that's it. Oh, I can't show the Pepsi thing, you know, I can paint me. All right now let's say you are over 40 years old, okay, and you want to use certain anabolics, but you don't want to use the hard stuff. See, what happens after 40, you know, your body kind of can't take the hard drugs anymore. I mean people still use them, but if you do use them, they have to monitor them. Because blood pressure is basically uh a silent killer. If your blood pressure goes up, um, then you're gonna have a lot of problems with uh kidneys, heart, and so on. So if you're over 40, the drugs to avoid are pretty much any kind of oral, but especially the hard orals, D-ball, uh, anadrol, I would even avoid anivar, tyrannibol. Because when you when you use an oral steroid, it's a lot more uh hard and toxic on your body. And I've noticed in recent years, if I use an oral, my blood pressure goes up. And you know, after the age of 40, you kind of have to be very, very careful of these things. But the truth is, after the age of 40, if you're not a competitive bodybuilder, which most of us aren't after the age of 40, then you could use things like test, gh, master on, maybe a little bit of DECA, you know, and and and and you'll find you'll make great progress. I mean, especially with just test and gh. And you don't have to go crazy with the amount, you really don't. You don't want to go crazy with the amount because if you have too much, then of course your blood pressure is still gonna go up. But so these are those are things that you want to avoid. And another one that you want to avoid when you are over 40, especially, and even if you're under 40 years old, but if you use it, you want to use it for a limited amount of time, and of course, is trend balone. There's no reason to use trembolone over the age of 40. And if you do use it, please, short periods of time, six weeks max. Again, it can really increase your uh blood pressure, it can increase uh uh cholesterol, and these are all things that you want to uh keep under control as you get older, so you want to avoid those things, and of course, you want to kick in um more cardio as you get older. You don't want to you know train as hard as heavy, and you know it's very painful on your joints. Believe me, I know I sound like a hypocrite. I was leg pressing, you know, 10 plates the other day, but yo, what's up, man?
SPEAKER_00How are you?
SPEAKER_01What's going on, man? How you doing? Oh good.
SPEAKER_00I just got home from my son's soccer. He has a soccer, like uh they're doing indoor at Dallas.
SPEAKER_01It's uh it's uh oh nice, nice. How old is he now?
SPEAKER_00He's seven, he just turned seven, but it's super hot. So they got an indoor practice, yeah. I play indoor in the summer, so he does he does uh his practice, and afterwards I work with him a little bit. So then we rushed home. So I'm a little sweaty.
SPEAKER_01Well, I appreciate you coming on, man. I really do. Absolutely. Thank you, thank you very much. So I went I wanted to talk about two different topics. I had started talking a little bit because we're already live, but I wanted to talk about um steroids too, the steroids to avoid, especially after the age of 40. But um, the steroids to avoid if you're not a competitive bodybuilder to begin with. And then I wanted to talk about does DECA really cause erectile dysfunction? Because I was having a conversation with a friend of mine, and he was telling me that he was using a cycle and he was using testosterone, and and he wanted to use uh NPP. Right, and and um so I had recommended you know DECA because you know NPP is short um short lifespan, so it's you know every other day kind of deal. And um, I had recommended DECA and he said, Well, I really don't want to get DECA dick. So I said, Well, I said in my experience, DECA dick is really um dose related. You know, uh, but I guess everybody is a little bit is a little bit different. So that's what I wanted to jump into with you. So the first thing, let's let's talk about uh if you're not a competitive bodybuilder, this if you the safest choices to make if you're gonna do a cycle.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I mean I stayed away from DECA for that reason. Every time I took Decca, I mean it literally I remember I think the first time I took it was I was maybe 21.
SPEAKER_01Really?
SPEAKER_00And uh yeah, I mean my killed my sex drive completely. It wasn't interesting, uh yeah. So I I really avoided that that compound, like when I was competing. So I would just I like EQ. Um, and then I used and I didn't take DECA, I don't think at all when I was competing. I used it for a little bit, and then once I had those side effects, I was I had too many girls to hang out with, so that wasn't a good thing. That wasn't an option, and um, all my friends that happened to also, so um, you usually, you know, as I got older, I used I think I used it again with honey. Um, but I was doing had it, I had to do a very high amount of testosterone. I think I was doing like 1500 milligrams of testosterone a week with the you know 600 milligrams of DECA, and right I that's just that's a little high of testosterone. I like maybe a gram is a sweet spot, but right uh at at that uh dose, I was like okay. It wasn't my six drive wasn't great, but it was I was okay. But um, and then the MPP, like I like that better because it's it's faster acting in and out. So it's if you you know if it is giving you that side effect, which it gives a lot of people that side effect, you jump off in in your window, weather, you know, versus DECA, it's gonna take a lot, it's gonna take a lot uh longer to uh to know feel better again after a cycle. So I mean also we didn't have like k bur and stuff like that. Uh when I was skip, I never took k. You know, guys have kabergoline today to you know help with uh uh the prolactin effects and stuff like that. So I never used k.
SPEAKER_01So uh in my experience, I never really got uh erectile dysfunction when using Decca. I've got it for other reasons, you know, whether I was drunk or you know, drinking, or whether my testosterone levels were you know too high and my natural level shut down uh when I was younger, whatever the case may be. But I've kind of been able to manage it, you know, it's been a long time, so I'm able to manage it. And anytime I did Deca, um, I always made sure I did testosterone, and it never made me feel not sexually aroused. I know a lot of guys do, but I never really got that effect from it. I also would use around 300 milligrams a week, and I would never really use you know, uh more than that. Plus, you know, let's be honest. I mean, Viagra is everywhere.
SPEAKER_00So, I mean, but yeah, but it's it does it not only makes you not be able to get limp, it it takes the desire away, and it also it takes the desire away, and even if you want to, it's just like eh, I don't really want to. So I think the you know the narangelones are kind of like that, you know. You know, trend can get to can do that too. It can um you know, some people say it makes them crazy, you know, uh sex drive while on it, but then if they don't, you know, uh the prolact levels aren't uh you know handled, they can trend could cause that too. So and some people, so everybody's different. I think DECA's a little worse. So I I tried to avoid it as but I didn't really like DECA that much, and you know, to be honest. Um, it's not popular today because the kids like to stay really lean and like you know makes it a little watery. So yeah, the kids like prefer Masteron today, usually, you know, stuff dry compounds.
SPEAKER_01I've always liked uh Deca because of that, because of the lubrication of the joints. But so um I looked it up. So uh okay, so Deca. Uh yes, it does cause uh erectile dysfunction. First thing is hormone suppression. Decca strongly suppresses the body's natural testosterone production. When testosterone levels drop, libido and erectile dysfunction, plummet, of course. Prolactin spikes. So Nandulin is a progestin and can significantly elevate prolactin levels in the body. High prolactin can reduce dopamine and levels, directly inhibiting sexual desire and erectile dysfunction. So, what do you know what exactly what prolactin is?
SPEAKER_00Uh prolactin is you know, you know, uh it's it's a hormone in your body, uh that Trin and DUCA you know raises. But not only that, it kind of um a lot of people that take uh DUCA too or MPP, it kind of like a flat mood, like you're just kind of like blah, you know what I mean? Like it does uh that it's very common with a you know a lot of athletes of mine over the years, they'll get on and I just they're just kind of like I feel just kind of like nut blah, like I'm not happy and not sad, just kind of like whatever. It's not it's not a good thing. I don't like that, I don't like the feeling at all because you know I took some NPP uh I think I think last year one of my one of my friends just sent me some for free. Like it was far great, it was like really good stuff. Uh so I took it and I and I got really big and full on it, like I was super full, like it did it did what it's supposed to do. Um, but I was just my mood was just like kind of just shitty. Uh I just felt like just blah.
SPEAKER_01Uh yeah, prolactin, I I believe is the hormone that is released after a man reaches orgasm. When you're done, everybody knows you kind of don't want to fucking do anything anymore. You know, your you know, your sex drive is is is uh is done after you climax. And apparently the prolactin levels get higher at DECA. But two things, I think it's a little bit different than everybody because I never really had an issue with DECA. And then I also think it's uh I think it's dose related because, like I said, if I use you know 500 milligrams of testosterone with 300 milligrams of uh DECA, I never really have an issue. Um, I also don't stay on it very long, but I don't stay on any cycle very long. But for the most part, as I've gotten older, I've been really just sticking to test and gH. So is the is the juice worth the squeeze with DECA when it comes to erectile dysfunction? In your opinion?
SPEAKER_00No, no, I mean if it bothers you, no. If you're taking like a like a really high testosterone dose, you can kind of be okay. Right. But um, a lot of people don't like going on really high testosterone doses, which I like. I think I think uh high levels of testosterone, you know, people under people aren't like that. They they they don't like getting puffy anymore. You know, everybody like does it make they want their face lean all the time, and right that's why we never see bodybuilders like we used to, you know, like kind of puffy, you know, out, you know, not always tight. And right, um obviously, you know, they would take a little time off too, and maybe use maybe test deca, test eq, but now they're they're just staying on a little more, you know, year round. But um, yeah, I would use I would totally use like EQ. Okay, you know, EQ and PP.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so basically, if it affects you like that, avoid it. It doesn't matter. There's plenty of other compounds to use. If it doesn't affect you, and the only way you're gonna find out is if you use it. That's really the only way you're gonna find out. If it doesn't affect you, it seems to affect more people than not. So if it if you want to avoid, if you're if you're really worried about it, then just avoid it altogether. Or maybe if you could use an NPP or an EQ or a master on and replace. But basically, any any steroid that increases your prolactin, it can happen. Like, so like Trenbalone, what other what other steroids increase your prolactin all this? I know Trembolone, I know DECA, obviously NPP.
SPEAKER_00That's pretty much it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so which is strange because I guess DECA does it worse, but you're never gonna get these kids to stop using trend.
SPEAKER_00You know, it's it works too good, it's uh it's rarely faked, yeah. You know, compared to like Mastron, EQ, other stuff. It's you know, so much fake stuff out there. You know, trend is rarely fake. You know Trent when the trend's real, you know, cough, all the other shit. Yeah, you can even feel good, yeah. You don't feel good, and uh, you know, um, yeah, and you look good, and you know, there's no water, it's dry gains, it's hard, vascular, it gives you fake self-confidence, and um, you know, they they get off of it, they're like, Oh, I'm still super insecure. This trend was just tricking me, you know, making me like give me confidence, yeah. And uh, yeah, so they just stay on a year around, but that's an awful idea. I mean, it changes personalities. I've seen people, you know, it ruin their relationship, them just taking that, getting divorced, whatever, just being a constantly. You know, I didn't really like taking on compound at all. I I would try to avoid it until I don't think I took it until my like fourth or fifth show. And then when I did, I used it like on the very just the very back end, like four to six weeks. Even when I got to a higher level, it was like the last six weeks. I never started blasting it, you know. A lot of guys do today. I think Nathan De Asher was saying he runs it year-round, and it's like, man, like that's crazy to me. That's just nuts.
SPEAKER_01I've used uh trend three out of the four shows that I did, and yeah, it does make you irritable, it does give you a short fuse, and plus you're irritable because you're on low calories and no carbs to begin with. So, like, literally the month before the contest, like I was avoiding my wife because any little thing I would be like, you know, you know, bugging out. But um now there are drugs to use uh to suppress your prolactin if you decide you want to use this, right? And you mentioned it before cabergoline.
SPEAKER_00Cabroine, cabergolines are probably the most popular. Um, there's uh what's it called? Uh Bumex, I believe. Um, but cabergoline is like gonna uh you know takes takes a lot of uh uh the the kind of depression and mood flatness away, right? So it helps it helps a lot, it helps a lot, you know. It's just uh a lot of people can't get real get real Kabergoline, like prescription without insurance, I think it's like around two or three hundred dollars. So yeah, um usually comes like uh eight pills in a bottle. You take like you could take like one pill a week, usually is all you need, all you need. So that's like eight weeks right there, right? Right, right, right.
SPEAKER_01And uh even if you do have uh even if you do have um coverage, medical coverage, there has to be a reason that you need to take it, you know.
SPEAKER_00It covers it sometimes. I've had insurances before where it covered it and it was only like five bucks, and then others other insurances don't cover it all.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so sometimes yeah, so basically that's really it. If if it's really bothering you and it's that's on your mind, if that's the problem, then just avoid it. Um, you can't if you if you're really set on using trend or decay and uh you're worried about the prolectin level, you can use the cabogene, but for the most part, there's plenty of other compounds that you can use that and you'd be fine, you really would. Um, like I said, you know, me, I never got that effect. I've gotten uh uh ED for other reasons, like maybe I was drinking or uh you know depression, but it wasn't during the time I was using Deca, which is really strange. So maybe just everybody's a little different. Maybe it didn't increase my prolactin level. But and again, it might be dose related because I would only use about 300 milligrams a week.
SPEAKER_00So you really don't know until you figure it out yourself yourself, and I think I think also people now knowing that's a side effect, it's more it's mental too, right? So it's just like they know, like, okay, this is gonna cause ED, so they're expecting it when they get on two, versus like, I don't know, that you know, like let's say 20 years ago. I think I I still knew that, I think, but I was just like, you know, um, I like one of my friends is affected way worse than me. Like, dude, he had messed his hormones up for a long time, even with HCG clomid, whatever. He was messed up for like a year, like a year and a half, didn't I? So yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01So you're best just to just to avoid it if that's the case. Now, the other ones I wanted to uh talk about is there are certain compounds and certain orals that are really, really hard on the body, and they they kind of they uh they increase blood pressure, especially after the age of 40. Uh even before that, they'll increase blood pressure. What compounds and what orals would you avoid completely, especially when it with the issue of the blood pressure? Because you know, they call blood pressure the silent killer.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. I mean, dude, I've been dealing with high blood pressure this past year. My sleep, you know, I was like, I'm like, what's going on? I'm not taking like cycles. I'm taking like you know, so I saw my cardiologist and he's like, dude, we you know, we did another, I did another sleep study, even though I did one several years ago. He's like, your sleep apnea is really bad, it's shooting your blood pressure up. So uh same thing, same thing. Uh yeah, so sleep apnea is awful.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so the um I'm I'm doing the same thing. I uh I have I'm on blood pressure medication. We actually had the conversation. I talked, I called you about it, and uh, but of course, I've had I'm on blood pressure medications too. But what compounds would you avoid?
SPEAKER_00I mean, the only only orals I would use after 40 would probably be like anabar, um maybe some Proviron, and then maybe some Winstral if you're trying to like get a little harder for the summer or something, but other than that, like um, I you know, I still have friends like one of my friends last week. I saw I saw at the gym. He he he's 45, and I think he stays he'll he still takes anadrol and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Stuff like that, or some people might take anadroll only on leg days or back days or whatever the hardest days are, and you know, I would you know suggest that over taking it every day because just taking it, I mean, I remember like uh you know, with a lot of my clients, I would before show um some people you could with use it with prebbing for a show because they could just keep that fullness if they had a real fast metabolism, they wouldn't really hold that much water, or if they didn't, you could you know throw it in before the show, like two or three days, and get that fullness out of it, and then it works really fast.
SPEAKER_01So, yeah, I definitely Mac Truck has been a friend and he's been on the show, and he he's over 40 and he uses D bull and he says his blood work is fine. Once again, everybody's a little bit different, but if you do have blood pressure issues, like me and you, those orals you need to avoid, trend baloney you need to avoid as far as I'm concerned. And like well, as for if you're not competing over 40, you really could just get away with some TRT or maybe uh well a little higher than that, a test and GH. And really, honestly, where are you going at 45-50 years old? You could look pretty good to a test in GH, you know what I mean? It's it's not like you know that's all you need.
SPEAKER_00I mean, I always tell people like if you can't get like look good off tests and a little bit of GH, like there's something's wrong. So yeah, you die. I mean, I I I do like Anivar. A lot of people are just uh a lot of people think anivar is a girl's drug, but if you get real like actually correctly dose anivar, it's I think it's a really good compound. Um, and but it's still it's messes your lipids up and liver enzymes, so I wouldn't stay on it like longer than six weeks, but um, that's like the over 40 cycle that especially clinics will prescribe is like test and maybe Deca, maybe Anivar, but you know, um they can still prescribe Anadrol. Clint a lot of clinics can they can prescribe Winstdrawl, but um uh the winch winch straw just you know, it's uh people always been debate does it does it make your joints hurt? And yes, it does. Like some people say no, that's a lie. Yeah, right. You know, um, because they're just taking a bunch of other compounds at the same time. So if you literally just take, you know, maybe a little bit of testosterone, and when if you add in the winstrol, your your joints are gonna start feeling a little different entire.
SPEAKER_01So no, again, a lot of times I think I think it is really uh person to person, uh, because I once you once you said that, yes. And when I took a winstrol, I would have some pain in my joints, it would be nothing awful, but I definitely felt soreness in my joints. With DECA, I you know it was fantastic as far as uh lubricating my joints and not having any pain. My favorite oral was tyrannicol, and everybody thinks uh I'm crazy, right? Um, because tyrannibol would make me hard and vascular and uh lean, it was be, it would be, I would get great uh great results from it. But as you get older, you know, you really want to be more health conscious than anything else. But yeah, again, I think it's uh generally speaking, we have these uh we have these side effects and it varies from person to person and it also is dose related. So I remember Dave Palumbo talking about uh trend and back in the day when it was it wasn't trend, it was parabolum, it was parabolum, and he said uh you know the the the milligrams were were were very low, so they didn't get these crazy you know side effects. But I think now kids you know that are competing or want to be social media influencers, they're just pounding the drugs like nobody's business, you know, and it's just becoming parabolum, which is just Trent Hex.
SPEAKER_00I mean, it's just a little slower acting. So I mean, um, you can still get essentially parabolum. It's not like the parabolum was the like the brand name for it, but all it is was Trent Hex, you know. So um, a lot of guys that I've worked with before, if like because I asked them like how are you feeling on Trin Ace? Some of them get like suicidal, some of them get like viol violent with their wives. I'm like, okay, like if that's happening, that's not that's not okay. So you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01You know, you can plastic trophy at the NPC show is not worth it's not worth it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. So a lot of times you can, you know, and you don't you don't know you're being that way too because it makes a lot of people a dick and they don't know they're being a dick.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so they they just don't know it. And so, you know, you switch somebody to Trent Hex and they can handle it a lot better. So that's what I did. I would eventually just take Trent Hex, and I I handled that way better, like my moods were way better. Yeah, you know, there's still there's still uh companies out there like that will make the parabolum amps still. It's not their true original parabolin, but it's still those to I think like seven, like what used to be like 76.6 or 7 milligrams, something like that. And right, um, like I would do like three of those a week, two or three of those a week, and I'd be good to go. Right. So yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, no, uh, same thing. Um, I remember back in the day when I used it, same thing. I would it would be, you know, I think two to two to three. I have not used trend in a very, very, very long time. I've also noticed that the side effects affect me worse as I get older, too. Uh I that's uh that's what I've I've noticed that the blood pressure thing uh affects me uh uh when I when I've used trend irritable as I've gotten older, even worse, even if I was using it and I wasn't competing, so I couldn't blame it on the diet or the low carbs or anything like that. I've also yeah, I've I've learned that so for the most part, I honestly think that if you're not a competitive bodybuilder, there are certain compounds that you could avoid totally and you could get great results, especially if you're training hard and you have that down and your and your nutrition down and your rest down. You know, those are the first things that you have to get down pat before you really want to jump on anything to begin with. But as you get older, over 40, yeah, uh testing GH and honestly, you'd be fine. You really would you're really yeah, you know, it's not and like I said, you know, when you're over 40 or you know, getting close to 50 or over 50, you know, where I I understand these stupid kids in their early 20s and late teens, you they want a six-pack and they want to look good and they want to go to the beach and they want to get girls, but after the age of 40, edge of 50, like you should be you should be really past that. It's really just you know, getting to the gym at that age is more about mental uh peace. Like that's my that's my time to get away from it all when I'm in the gym, you know? It's not really about you know, it's about working out, obviously, and staying in shape, but it's really about going to the gym and not thinking about work, not thinking about the podcast, not thinking about money, not thinking about uh responsibilities. It's like that hour to two hours is just mine, and I don't want to know anything, and that's really it.
SPEAKER_00I mean, most guys that take you know doing it anyways, the girl they're not even into girls that much, they are into their bros, like they're trying to like you know, look better than their bros, and it's it's weird. A lot of like a lot of young younger kids. Um, they're not obsessed with girls, and I think you know, they got robot. Yeah, you're right. Weird at that age, dude. I was just whatever. I was every you know, whatever, you know. So I mean yeah, I really don't have a sex drive, I don't really don't care, but I'm like, that's really weird.
SPEAKER_01So you know, no, it is it is it is changed dramatically, like the the guys that and I don't know, you know, I have some theories behind it, but the truth is young men have been avoiding women, and that you're right, they're not really chasing girls like we did when we were young, you know. That was the whole idea.
SPEAKER_00I think yeah, I think it's a lot different though, because the women are a lot more difficult to deal with. I talked to my younger friends, and it's like man, you could go like have fun at a party, look at my chick, have fun, and that'd be it. And then now, like, you know, girls can say, Oh, I was you know, whatever, wait, you know what, and you know, you're getting arrested. I mean, people are scared of women, women, you know, they get scorned. I mean, it's not you know, when a male and a female sleep together, there's those females out there, but it's different. The male can be fine, go along as day. But that girl is most girls are gonna have some emotional, like and you know, attachment or whatever.
SPEAKER_01And if you don't, you're just a the street, you know, street girl, but you know, absolutely uh and so I you know it's it's not good, but uh you know, plus look, like what guys our age, you know, we think when you go out, we think back when we were gonna win out. When when you go out now, people are on their phones, you know, the girls are on their phones, you know. Um, they're not looking to see if we're who the cute guys are around, and even if you do talk to them and you get attention from them, uh, and you trade Instagrams, because god forbid you trade numbers anymore, you got to trade an Instagram, you know.
SPEAKER_00If they get well, they think they're all they think they're all hotter than they are, too. You know, girls like they they they knew how hot they were, they knew if they were a two or a five or a ten. Yeah, now girls today they're like a three, and they're like think they're a nine or ten. I'm like, you're uh absolutely delusional. Like you're over.
SPEAKER_01You're right, because every asshole on Instagram is messaging you know, average or below average looking girls, and it blows up their head. So the you know, the 20-year-old kid that's in college that wants to go to the bar and meet a girl and like maybe works part-time at like Costco and is in college, he's got no shot. So of course they avoid girls now. They go, Oh, fuck it, I'm doing my own thing. But yeah, so basically, uh, not to pull pull back, but I wanted to go back to that to the other topic. Yeah, man, like I understand guys, young guys that want to blast so much shit. And believe me, I'm no angel. I did it too, you know. Uh I get it. But as you get older, it's just it becomes more working out becomes more of a of a mental health thing, just getting away from it all. So you really don't need much. But we the reason why I did this video is because my friend talked about uh talked to me about it, and then a couple of weeks ago I did a video on that kid from Brazil that died, and I had gotten a message from somebody uh from Brazil that watches the show and he was basically saying that his trainer, uh Marcelo, I forgot his last name, was is really really pushes a lot of shit on his clients, and he said that he was with him, but he's over 40. And he would tell him that's too much, I don't want to use it. And the guy would say, Well, this is what it takes, and then he changed and he left.
SPEAKER_00The thing is, the thing is, the kid didn't even have an an impressive physique at all. It was like I saw him walking through this crowd, people like touching his hair like he's Jesus or something, and like touching his body, like I'm like, What's going on? He gets on stage, he's posing him like like man, I look better at at 17, like hormones and that. I was like, I'm like, I I don't see it, like you know, and there's a lot of guys like that. I saw some I think it was some Canadian or some French guy posing the other day, and like he was doing this long pose routine, and like he didn't have much muscle on his body at all, like maybe like men's physique, maybe like a small classic guy, and he was and then the whole audience was just guy, young guys, like under the age of 20, broccoli hairs, and they're taking pictures and they're like clapping my guy. Well, what's going on here? Like, I don't understand, I don't understand what are people looking at. I think I commented on it. I was like, what are people looking at?
SPEAKER_01And some people were like nothing, and and then uh yeah, they're more interested in the social media, they're they're more into it interested in the in the fitness influencer than the guys that actually are bodybuilding champions.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, he probably had like a million followers on tick on TikTok or Instagram or something like that.
SPEAKER_01They're more interested in that, and but I've seen that firsthand. I mean, I I've I've seen it firsthand. I I like I went to Diamond Gym to work out with that whole crew of guys, and after the guys, the kids in my gym found out that I went to Diamond Gym, like, oh my god, what happened? Did you live? Did you did you did you did you survive? And I'm like, bro, like I don't know what you think is gonna happen. I was like, there were things he told me to do, I just said no, I'm not doing it.
SPEAKER_00No, I thought I thought post that video. I was like, it's a little cringy, but you know, hey, that's their thing. If they that makes them happy to like amp each other up and clap and do all whatever whatever makes you happy, it's just it's not my cup of tea.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I well, you know, it's not a bodybuilder's root workout routine, it's not even any kind of workout routine, really. They just they they make it more, they make it as more so difficult that nobody could do it. So, like, for example, like he'll they'll they'll make you do you know, let's say 30 push-ups, 30 tricep pushdowns, 30 burpees. And if you do that, and then he goes, okay, give me 40, 40, and 40. And if you do that, he goes 50, 50, and 50. And if and it just keeps going up until you collapse. So like it's gonna get to the point where nobody could do it, you know, right? But uh yeah, it's it's not it was not a very good workout, but people uh and the and the hype has kind of come down already. People were like all over it. It's it wasn't I wouldn't recommend that kind of workout. But when I went there, the one thing I will say is it is like a mentoring program. There were a lot of kids that went there and they did have a camaraderie, and uh, you know, they they they did get the kids out of the house and off the street and so on and so forth. So there was an advantage to it.
SPEAKER_00I would I would be the first person to admit, but it's the workout I mean it's better than doing drugs or playing like uh video games all day, like a lot of these kids, they play gamers, they'll sit there all day, and yeah, it's weird.
SPEAKER_01There was there was girls, guys, all races, all creeds, and they get there at eight o'clock and they hang out and they do this these this this workout. So, you know, uh that part I will not deny the workout, you'll never catch me do again.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. Like I said, it's like if it makes them happy and it's it's their outlet, and that's uh that's a place. A lot of people have a hard time making friends and they make them at the gym and they kind of get together. And hey, like you know, if that that's what makes you happy, go go for it.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely, absolutely. Aman, listen, man. I want to thank you for coming on. I usually keep Anabolic Academy uh short because it's more of the educational part of my of my show, which is not much, I don't have much of an educational part of my show. And this weekend, I will be in Nashville with me, the Lee Priest, uh Lee's manager Sid, and I think Jay Cutler will be there, and I think Larry Wheels will be there. There is a fit music event at at Nashville, so I will be there with them. Not that anybody's coming there to see me, but I will be with Lee Priest all fucking weekend. So God help them.
SPEAKER_00Well, have fun and enjoy yourself, and I'm sure y'all will have some drinks and yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_01I'm on thank you very much for coming on, brother. I really appreciate it, dude.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, absolutely, brother. Have a good night. Thank you.
SPEAKER_01All right, I'll talk to you soon. I'll be in touch.
SPEAKER_00All right, all right, let it