Muscle Talk! Shawn Ray vs Quinton Beastwood. Why does Shawn Ray have such a big mouth?

John Livia is joined by Big Rich for a discussion on the Toronto Pro, Quinton Beastwood, Shawn Ray and all the latest in professional bodybuilding.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:01

All right. Sirius and selling us bodybuilding. It's me and Big Rich, classic IFB Pro from Canada. What's up, Big Rich?

SPEAKER_01 0:09

What's going on, brother? How you been?

SPEAKER_00 0:11

Good, good. Um, couple of things. Well, the first thing I want to say is I just did Anabolic Academy with Jason Owens, and Jason is back.

SPEAKER_01 0:21

Right. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 0:22

He was um, I knew what was going on, but he did not want to say anything until he was in the clear. So Jay uh had back issues and he had back surgery, but it turned out he had uh a certain type of blood cancer.

SPEAKER_02 0:39

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_00 0:40

Yeah, and um he has been on chemo and he has been on uh immune therapy. Um and it was it was very tough for him. But the good thing is this lie at the end of the tunnel, and his blood work is showing that the cancer is almost gone. Oh yeah, so uh you can go. He explains that on the latest anabolic academy that we just did. I mean, I was keeping touch, I was keeping in touch with him the entire time uh that he was going through it. Uh so I knew about it, but he told me, you know, not to say anything, which I didn't. I just said that you know, he had some back problems and he had some back issues. And then I actually wanted to start a GoFundMe for him, and he said, please don't, because you know Jay's a very proud man and he doesn't want to do that, yeah. But um he is blessed with a with a great family, supportive family. So, you know, he was going through he was in um I forgot the name of the hospital in New York City, which is one of Slunk Ketterin, which is one of the best cancer hospitals in the world. So he is doing much better. I mean, you could tell that he lost weight, but he's got color in his skin, and and he's he's he's speaking and he's energetic, and so he's doing much, much better. So he's back with me on Anabolic Academy. And of course, he would, you know, you gotta remember for uh Rich, he was one of the first guys. Yeah, he was one of the first guys who started with me six years ago when I had nothing. He was on my old channel with me before I changed and made it two channels, before anybody knew anything. I just wanted to interview him, and then he would come on and he would like I literally would get a hundred views, and he would come on and he would he would uh cover the shows with me, and um, you know, we've stayed friends ever since. So I was never I was not going to continuously check up on him and um see how he was doing, but I'm glad he's back. That's no, that's you know what, and and what's funny, Rich, is I I think you understand it a little bit better when you get older. So, what I mean by that is I never and I said this on Annabelle Academy, I've made mistakes in the past, and I don't consider myself a good person, right? I don't consider myself a good person, but once you realize that you're not a good person, you really, really try to change. And the people that are special in your life, you make sure that you're there for them because you know that's the right thing to do. Which 25 years ago, I would have been selfish, I would have, you know. I don't know if it's just becoming a more responsible adult, or if it's just uh, you know, a little bit of both. It's a little bit of both, like speak a little clearly, but I just made sure that every day I would call him or text him and make sure that if he needed anything or his family needed anything, that I was there for him, or whatever the case may be. Good to hear. Awesome. The other good thing is we got some good news. I'm gonna pull it up right now, is I am now being sponsored by Nutrafit. Boom. Yeah, which is the same people that sponsor Lee Priest. And Lee Priest has his own line from Nutrafit. Okay, it is called the line is called Resurrection. So the first item is out, the pre-workout is out. You see, you even have the shake of cups. Well, this is an ice cup, too, is uh so it keeps any of everything uh cold. Um uh but he also has I'm trying to get to the reserve resurrection line. He has a resurrection line, and the first item out is a pre-workout called Crucifix, right? And I tried it. I was in Nashville with Lee and Sid. Sid is uh Sid is uh Lee's manager, and I was there with Austin. Austin is the owner of Nutrifit, and I was in Nashville and I tried Crucifix and we went to uh I want to say Legacy Gym. I think it was Legacy Gym in Nashville, and dude, I took three quarters of a of a scoop. Delfe, and I was fucking tweaking, bro. And I was like, that's it, from here on in a half a scoop. That's you know, right. But here's here's the good news, Rich. And I'm not I I understand that they are sponsoring me, and it's my first real sponsor ever. It only took me six years, but yeah, you're there. Um the good news is you get 20% off anything on new anything, you get 20% off if you use discount code priest, right? So for the people that's listening, it's n-ut-r-i-f I t t dot com and discount code priest, P-R-I-E-S-T. So anything on the website is 20%, is 20% off. Uh, but the crucifix is Lee's specific line. And the good thing is you do a half a scoop and it's gonna cost you, I think, around $40 worth of 20% off. And if you're not a caffeine fanatic and you just like to have a little energy before the gym and you do a half a scoop, right? That's gonna last you a fucking two months. It is it's worth the bang for the buck. It really is.

SPEAKER_01 6:21

Yeah, definitely.

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You know, but he also makes um he makes uh creatine, he makes great protein, he makes um uh what else? Electrolytes, he has greens, he has okay, you know, all these uh shirts and gear and all this stuff. So it's a really good line. It really is.

SPEAKER_02 6:42

All right.

SPEAKER_00 6:43

And the guy who actually he's got aminos and uh and he's got he he Nutrifit itself has like several different pre-workouts. Not you don't have to you don't have to get specifics if you don't want he's got a non-stem, he's got a moderate stim, and he's got a he's got a hard stem one too. Okay, so I use the crowba, which is a moderate stim, and that was pretty good. And it's equivalent to the carnage is a uh uh a hard uh pre-workout, but one scoop of crowbar is equivalent to a half a scoop of the crucifix.

SPEAKER_01 7:25

Oh wow. So and the way and the way is like an isolate or let me see.

SPEAKER_00 7:29

I'm pretty sure the way is an isolate. Let's see. I have not I have used the isolate when I was there. Oh, here it is. Right epic.

SPEAKER_01 7:39

I think that's it.

SPEAKER_00 7:40

This is a uh uh premium uh protein with oh he has enzymes in it too. That's actually pretty good. Yeah, I'm trying to see if it is an isolate or if it is a blend. I can't see for sure. 25 grams.

SPEAKER_01 7:56

Might be a blend because it's isolate probably would say somewhere.

SPEAKER_00 7:59

Yeah, it would probably be all over it.

SPEAKER_01 8:01

Um enzymes are good.

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So so it's it's with enzymes are great to be in a uh it's a way, it's a way then.

SPEAKER_01 8:08

It's a way.

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That's good though.

SPEAKER_00 8:10

So it it is, it is, and um, I mean, if you are competing and you're dotting every I and crossing every T, then an isolate is necessary. Yeah, but if you're a guy like me that doesn't compete anymore, just wants extra protein in his diet, a blend is fine. Yeah, a quality blend is fine. Yeah, but yeah, just go to NutriFit. That's uh NutraFit with two ts at the end.com. Discount code priests, 20% off everything. And believe me, you it's it's really a good bang for your buck. All right, we got that out of the way. All right. Now, before we get into it, what have you been doing, man?

SPEAKER_01 8:47

Um, it's it's been a journey. I I've been off um training for a bit, just um solidifying some um personal stuff with my mom is ill. Um she's a warrior. 1941, born. It's you know, it's that time where the ailments come into play, but um, you know what? Almighty's looking good, looking over her. So one day at a time, all I can take it. Um back into the scene. I got hype. I went to the Toronto Pro and had some people helping out and motivated, motivated.

SPEAKER_00 9:20

Yeah, I don't I don't blame you. The Toronto Pro. We're gonna get to the Toronto Pro. I just want to say one thing about your mother. Um, I'm yeah, she's blessed to have a son like you. That's first of all. Appreciate it. Um, and what's funny is that I don't know if it's me. I'm gonna be 50, right? Right. Um, I don't know if it's me, but as you get older, you get more calloused to terrible things that happen in life.

SPEAKER_01 9:44

Oh, 100%.

SPEAKER_00 9:45

You know, I well, my my father died when I was 26.

SPEAKER_02 9:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:51

And it was devastating. Um, my mother is 91, she has full dementia. And I'm here. Oh, same thing, right? My mother was born at 35. So our mothers are considered the silent generation. That's that was the generation before the boomers. And um, it was uh, you know, they lived through the World War II and they lived through the Great Depression, and you know, so on and so forth. And it but they called it the silent generation because basically you kept your mouth shut and you just kept pushing ahead, and uh, feelings didn't matter, you just kept fucking surviving. Um you get older and you have to deal with these these this this these fucking terrible facts of life, but as you get older, you you're able to deal with a little better. Like I go to my mother's house, and I don't want to make this a sad story, but no, no. We I go to my mother's house, Rich, she doesn't know my name.

SPEAKER_01 10:52

Same, yeah. I went here today, and it was just like pepper, I call her mom pepper because she had that pepter step, and she's just like clueless.

SPEAKER_00 11:02

No, clueless. It's uh she has no idea who I am, she has no idea who my brothers are, she has no idea who my sister-in-laws are. She it's basically weekend out Bernie's because she doesn't even talk anymore. She can't feed herself, she can't fucking change herself, she can't beat herself, she can't. So we instead of putting her in a home, me and my brothers did not want to put her in a home. Uh, we wanted to keep her in the house that she's been in for in the last 30 years. Um, and uh we have an aide. We basically have an aide 24-7, uh, different aides. There's three aides that change shifts all the time.

SPEAKER_01 11:37

Yeah, six yeah, and we have one at six p.m. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:42

It's tough. It's tough. It is, it is. Um but as a man, you stay strong for your family and you deal with it, and um that's that's real what it comes down to, man. That's it, yeah. So thank you. Appreciate it. Yeah, um and you know, and you're a man of God, it actually renewed my faith in uh in God, to be honest with you, because right before right before my mother had full dementia, she used to go to church every Saturday, right? Without fail. And then I started taking her. I would drive from Jersey to New York, and I would take her to her local parish that she's been going to forever, um, because you know, she couldn't really walk, but she was mentally she was fine. Well, not fine, but she was good enough to understand we were at church. Yeah, and I would take her to church, and then as you when you get older and you go to church or you discover religion, you you kind of understand it better. It's more, it's much different. Like when your mom drags you to church as a kid, it's like, oh yeah, so true, yeah. And then, but when you go and you're an adult, you go, Ah, I get it now, I understand what they're trying to do now. Okay, okay. 100% anyway. All right, yeah. Uh, let's move on to the Toronto Pro. You were at the Toronto Pro.

SPEAKER_02 13:05

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 13:06

Okay. What kind of uh changes did uh Quentin Beastwood make because he looked a lot different from last year?

SPEAKER_01 13:14

Okay, here's the thing. Now I'm probably gonna get shit on, but I only call it like from how I see things. Okay. Did Quinton make changes? Definitely. You can see the changes in regards to um the structure. Um he's always been balanced, but um I think um the the the dryness improved, but it's not there yet. Yeah, it's not there, and his back is not there.

SPEAKER_00 13:47

It's still it's gotten a little better, but it's gotten better, 100%.

SPEAKER_01 13:51

But when you put against the top Olympians, I got it. It it it's it you know, it sort of stands out. But I will say, like, when he came out, he had the crowd bump and it was like wow, factor. Yeah, because you're like concerned, well, how does he look towards beside blessing? And like I said, and then Eric Wood came out, we're like, Oh, Derek, Eric Woods diced.

SPEAKER_00 14:13

Eric, Eric is just came out of nowhere, dude. Came out of nowhere. I'm trying to get him on for an interview because that's how impressed I was.

SPEAKER_01 14:23

Humble, yeah. He came out and we're like, oh no. So he wasn't really in the mix, like, people weren't even talking about him pre-judging until he came out. They're like, Oh, this guy's gonna be a problem. Because it was Westwood, um, Lesing and Quintin, right? Yeah, and then Quentin started posing. More he posed, he looked better. Because the previous time he was on stage, when he was posing, you see he was getting like water coming out. So he was conditioned. I will say that. But like I said, you can still see there are some films in um film in the in the lower back and areas. But like I said, at the end of the day, a win's a win. He pulled it off. And did he deserve it? Hands down. I'm not gonna say he didn't deserve it, he deserved it.

SPEAKER_00 15:07

Like yeah, so yeah, he definitely deserved it. His structure carried him to the win.

SPEAKER_02 15:13

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 15:14

Um, if he wasn't there, Eric Wood would have clearly would because then it becomes apples and oranges, it becomes Eric Wood, who's shorter, has more muscle, and came in fucking dice, yeah, compared to this beautiful six-foot whatever he is, yeah. Physique, amazing delts, these this small waist, these flaring quads, and um I was just I I was I I have had this conversation with uh with Arns. I mean, I would love to get a SETO on for an interview because I truly believe he is the greatest coach that in the in bot in bodybuilding history.

SPEAKER_01 15:59

I agree. Sorry to cut you off.

SPEAKER_00 16:01

No, okay.

SPEAKER_01 16:01

100%. He is one of those, you know, when you talk to somebody and he visualizes it and it just comes to fruition. Like you look and you say, eat this, eat this, eat this, and you're like, What are you talking about? And then boom, you're like, whoa. Yeah, that's how he is. He's he's advanced, he's just different.

SPEAKER_00 16:20

Yeah, he's a yeah, he's a different animal when it comes to coaching because he does it with all different body types, too. Yes, Andrew Jack, Derek uh Lunsford, uh, Eric Wood. These are three completely different body types, and he knows how to like with Derek, people were screaming where it was progress picks, he's not diced, he's not, he's never gonna do it. But Asito knew that he didn't have to be diced to win because he didn't want to suck them down too hard, because he knew in the previously that his legs would go if he sucked them down too hard. So he knew if he kept them full with good enough conditioning, because good enough conditioning from the back, Derek still blows everybody away.

SPEAKER_02 17:06

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 17:07

And he chased and he cuts off the noise. That's another thing. He cuts off the social media noise, right? Pays no attention, he has a plan, he knows exactly what he has to do. And I have a feeling that he knows how to get along with different personality types, because there's no way you could train this many people and bring them to championships and and not be able to get along with them.

SPEAKER_01 17:35

Yeah, he he he's a gem.

SPEAKER_00 17:38

You know, I mean, I've never heard of him had a complete falling out with somebody. I mean, I've heard people leave him and go to somebody else, but he takes it as business, not personal.

SPEAKER_01 17:51

Never takes it personal. Yeah. My first intercounter with ACEDO is when he was coaching Regan Grimes. 2000 Reagan got his pro card in Brazil, I think it was 2012, 13. And he's got a call and go, Oh, my coach, my coach. I'm like, I can say words. And this guy's speaking, and he's thinking, I'm gonna send you a meal plan, but I need to get progress picks first, and he goes, I just had the picks, and he's talking to Regan, he's like, Look at your picks, okay? Meal three, okay, you're gonna eat this, eat this, and then in an hour, send me pictures, and then in 25 minutes, send me another pictures, and then let me see. Okay, and then I'll know I'll tell you what to eat. Like, how do you do that?

SPEAKER_00 18:31

That's hard.

SPEAKER_01 18:32

It is that's just how he is.

SPEAKER_00 18:35

It's just gifted, he's just really a gifted, a gifted coach. He really is. I mean, listen, there are other guys, Milos, Farah, you go down the line. I mean, Chad Nichols, so on and so forth. You go down the line, there are great coaches, but with him, he's been doing this for 35 years. You're talking about how many Jay Cutler, Sean Roden, yeah, uh Derek Lunsford, uh, how many other Mr. Olympia? Oh, Kamalo Gardney for the 212. I mean, you just go down the list, and even Arnold Classic winners, Cedric McMillan, Andrew Jack. I mean, you just go down the fucking list. Even what's his name? One the uh uh Derek won the Arnold, right? Um, you just go down the list, and he's just that fucking good, man. He really is. So when Eric Wood comes out of the woodwork, you're like, whoa. Right? And you and you go, what's the common denominator here? It's clearly Chris Assino.

SPEAKER_01 19:33

Oh, 100%.

SPEAKER_00 19:34

You know, and I know I sound like I'm sucking his dick, but I mean his fucking track work, it worked out. I mean, I never you never saw him. Who was the uh who was the coach that coached like four or five guys two or three years ago? I think what was it, Jensen, and they all quit on him.

SPEAKER_01 19:54

Matt Jensen, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:55

Matt Jensen. Uh Quentin, Nick, Sean Clarita, all in a row, yeah. All fucking quit on him because uh he just ruined all their preps. It was just but um man, whatever he's doing for Eric Wood is working. So I think Eric Wood with another year, he's probably gonna be uh a really force to be recorded.

SPEAKER_01 20:19

100%. You know, and the thing with the field is like you have to remember too, now you're taking that mindset and you're bringing it to Olympia when you have like 10 athletes. How do you manage that? That's you you can't be normal to manage that.

SPEAKER_00 20:31

No, like you have to be low. That's why he's different. The balance, the the incredible balance and dealing with different personalities and having 10 different, you know what I mean? Like it's just that that that it's just it he really is. I I I this to me, there's no arguing. There's great coaches that are right behind him, but to me, he's the the greatest of all time. But let's stay on the uh the Quentin uh beast. Um, I don't know Sean Ray. Go get me started on that guy. You know where I'm going with this. Yeah, I don't know Sean Ray, but Sean Ray always seems to keep just keep putting his fucking foot in his mouth. Insecurity, small man syndrome, small kid syndrome. Uh it it it has to be because I mean, why would you tell Quentin, who finally, who finally won a Toronto pro, finally won a show decisively not to do the Olympia, you know, and to Quentin's uh to Quint uh, you know, in in Quentin's defense, he handled it like a pro. 100% as a gentleman.

SPEAKER_01 21:46

Quentin is a humble, nicest guy, like I said. I'm not gonna get into it because I don't cause issues, like I said. People know the history. When I started talking with Quentin and Got him to his first show, but the point is, he's here now, all on his own. His mindset has changed, he's humble, he doesn't talk ill will about people, he just does his thing. And at the end of the day, when you walk with him and you're in that aura, you can tell he he speaks from the heart. He's just the type of guy he is. And when you have Sean Ray coming in and saying, Number one, you've never coached anybody, Sean Ray, number one, and you're gonna tell a guy not to go to Olympia. Who are you to say that? Number one.

SPEAKER_00 22:27

I think here's what I think with with Sean Ray. Um uh people think he's an asshole. He might be. I don't know. I I don't know if he's an asshole. What I think the problem is with Sean Ray, I think bodybuilding came so easy for him when he was young, because he turned pro when he was like 20.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

Never mind. Battles of trenches, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:48

And he was he was on the Olympus Olympia stage every year, every year breaking the top five. Um, and I and I think when it comes easy for somebody, I don't think they realize the hard work and intensity and stress that uh an athlete not as gifted has to has to put in. Yeah. Um, I mean I might be wrong, but this is the only thing that makes sense to me. Because a lot of people that are that gifted just can't understand it. And we see it with all major sports, but Quentin really tried hard. I mean, I don't know how long he's been pro, but he's been really trying hard. He finally makes it to the Olympia, and you're gonna tell him, no, don't do it. Um, he's gonna do it, even if he doesn't break the top 10, being on that Olympia stage. It's a great story, Rich. I had Arkeem Williams on, and Arkeem's been at the Olympia, you know, whatever, a fucking dozen times, whatever. Dorian Haywood did the Olympia last year because he won the Masters Olympia, right? And it was the finals, they were getting ready toward the end, and Dorian Haywood was still doing push-ups and still pumping up, and the guys that have been there, they kind of know what's going on. So Akeem was like being friendly and saying, Dude, it's over, what are you doing push-ups for? And Dorian looked at him and said, Man, this might be my first and only Olympia. You know, and and mindset, yeah. Yeah, and it's like, uh, and Hakeem got it. He's like, Ah, okay, I got it. I don't think these athletes that are so genetically superior that didn't really have to put the now, I'm not saying he didn't work hard, but there's a difference between being that genetically gifted and having to put you know 50% into your workouts and making it because you're so genetically gifted, and I'm making up numbers, to a guy that takes years to finally fucking win a show, and now making it on the stage, the greatest bodybuilding stage ever. And you're gonna tell him no, plus you don't know what the future holds. He might fucking break a leg next year and he can't do it.

SPEAKER_01 25:01

Like you said, nothing is promised tomorrow. And with Quentin, like I said, he turned pro in the national tier, I think it's 20 uh 12 in Montreal. Because we did the King Kong. Yeah, we did the King Kong. Oh, maybe, yeah, just after we did the King Kong. King Kong was his first show that I helped him with, but I didn't go into that he can see it too much. But from then, I people he walked into this the auditorium and people were like, Who is that guy? I said, You haven't seen nothing yet. This guy's gonna be a force down the road.

SPEAKER_00 25:31

Oh, absolutely. He has the structure and he has the size. Like you said, you know, he his back came up a little bit, but another year or two. Uh, and if he keeps going with the same work ethic, I think so.

SPEAKER_01 25:43

I think one what I think here's what's gonna happen. He's gonna go to Olympia, he's gonna get the taste, and he's gonna be like, like he knows, but one thing is knowing and the other is seeing it. And when you're there and you see it, he's gonna be like, oh dang. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 25:58

Yeah, no, you're right. It's like it's like I've made it to the Olympia. This is great. And then you don't break top 10, but then you go, all right, I made it, but now I'm gonna make it and I'm gonna break the top 10.

SPEAKER_01 26:11

That's that's when we're gonna see, that's when you're gonna see quite people are gonna be like, Whoa, I I just feel it, I just see it. I just see it.

SPEAKER_00 26:19

And I and I think I think once he finds the formula of him with that fullness and that structure and the conditioning, I think his back will look even better. Yep. Because his his his his line spread is good, it's his rear double bye. Right, that kind of it's not nearly as bad as last year. It's improved, but it's when he's gotta stand next to Derek and Nick and Damson, and you know, it's you know, it's a different top, those top five guys are just they're worlds apart, worlds apart. Yeah, the only thing, another thing with Sean Ray is like, and I I made a promise to myself when I first started this channel. My other channel, I don't talk a lot of shit because it's mostly an in interview channel, and they interview all different types of people. You you've seen it, you know. Yeah, this show, I pull no punches, I have to criticize people, right? Of course, and I I've criticized Larry Wheels, and I've criticized Mark Lobliner, and I've criticized fucking Lee Haney. I criticized you know, I um if you are going to have a big mouth behind the laptop, behind the camera, and you are in person, maybe at an expo or a show, and that person comes up to you and challenges you, you can't be a punk at that point. You can't just fucking you have to hold your own, and that that doesn't mean punch the guy in the face. It doesn't, it doesn't stand your ground. Yeah, just stand your ground. And when we saw now, some people say it's fixed, some people say it was fake. When we saw Chad Nichols' son approach Sean Ray about what he because he basically was saying that Chad Nichols killed these, these, these, you know, these uh athletes, and you know, it's because of him, and so on and so forth. And and he literally just cowered into a corner and said nothing. You were shook. That was real. That that tells me who you are. That tells me what your character is like, and and you see, you don't have to, and this is what I mean why you don't you don't have to start swinging and fight. That's not what I mean. But you could say, look, I know you're offended, and I know it's your dad, but my opinion is my opinion, and I'm not changing my opinion. That's it. And and if the guy gets even more aggressive, then you say, Look, you realize if you put your hands on me that's assault, right? Because that's exactly what's gonna happen. I'm going to call the police, and that's standing your ground, right? You don't have to throw down, right? But all you had to do is say those words, say those things. Look, I know you're upset, I know you're offended. It's your dad, I get it, but my opinion is my opinion, and it's not changing. So you could come in my face and you could talk shit all you want, but my opinion is not changing. Then at least people would have respect for the fact that he's that he's fucking saying what he's saying.

SPEAKER_01 29:29

Well, that's it. Yeah, a lot of people don't have respect for him because how he conducts himself, and like it's like you're entitled to your opinion, but it's how you go about it and keep going and poking at the bear. One time that bear is gonna take he take his claws and be like, hey, take the swipe.

SPEAKER_00 29:44

Look, you know, I've I've gone in on Larry Wheels, I've gone in on Larry Wheels, and I was at Nashville, and Larry is a very big, strong guy, and he was there. And in my head, I'm saying to myself, if he does approach me, I am going to stand my ground, you know, and that doesn't mean, like I said, doesn't mean I'm gonna fist fight Larry Wheels. It just means exactly that. Look, Larry, I get you're upset, but my opinions are my opinions, and if you don't like my opinion, then don't watch my channel. And you know what's funny is Mark Lowbliner was there too. Oh, yeah, and I had I, you know, I uh I if if if guys have been following my channel about two years ago, I had it out with Mark Lowbliner, it turned into a disaster. I I looked like a fool, but it is what it is. He was there and I was thinking the same thing. I knew he was gonna be there. And I said, if he approaches me and he, you know, does something similar, I'm gonna say the same thing. I'm gonna say, Mark, look, I never liked you. We had a we had a you know a bad um relationship, and I don't you could be mad at me all you want, you could be offended. I just don't want to be associated with you. That's it. And and that's standing your ground. That's all you don't have to resort to violence, but at least people would respect the fact that you said what you said, whether they would agree with it or not, and they will respect the fact that you stood your ground. And Sean Ray just cowers into a corner and tucks his head into the ground like an ostrich and hope it goes away. Yeah, and even though I respect him as one of the greatest bodybuilders, he was, and I'll tell you right now, Richard. So I think we talked about this before. He was the bodybuilder that I saw first in a magazine that I looked at and I went, yeah. I didn't want to look like that, which obviously never happened. But but he and I would I'll never deny that. I remember the picture. He had the flat top, he had the biker shorts. I think he was or biker shorts or jeans, you know, he's leaning up against a Ferrari. I remember the fucking picture.

SPEAKER_01 31:57

That's his that was his Ferrari too.

SPEAKER_00 31:59

Oh, right, yeah, of course it was. Yeah, and I remember the picture, and I remember looking in one of the magazines, seeing that picture, going, oh man, I want to look like that. That's what I want to look. I was like 14 years old. I've been there, yeah. Did the same thing, yeah. And I'll never deny that, but um, once I see your attitude and what you truly made of, man, it's really hard to respect somebody like that in that in that category. But I think uh Clit, I think Quentin handled it well.

SPEAKER_01 32:28

100% like a true champion.

SPEAKER_00 32:30

And I think he should go on to the Olympia, whether he breaks the top 10 or not. It's uh it's it's a it's a good learning experience. You'd see because now, you know, it's like it's like you know, it's funny, it's like going from you know, it's like going from college bowl to the NFL. And then you're in then you're in the NFL and then you make it to the playoffs, and it's a whole different group of people. Then you go make it to the playoffs and you make it to the Super Bowl, and you go, holy shit. It's yeah, whole different world, a whole new ballgame.

SPEAKER_01 33:02

And this Olympia is gonna be tough. Um to crack top 10. Like one through five solidified people there. So then you look at okay, can he crack the top 10? It'd be great if he does. Realistically, I have I have I have my you know, 16, 17th, but yeah, at the end of the day, all someone can have a bad peak and he can peak very just right on point. You never know until show day.

SPEAKER_00 33:27

Yeah, well, I looked up the top 10 from last year, and the reason why I did that was because we got kind of a rematch, if you will, coming up. So the top 10 from last year was Derek was first, Hottie was second, Andrew was third, Samson was fourth, Martin was fifth, Nick Walker was sixth, Brandon Curry seventh, Bonak eighth. Uh oh no, I'm sorry, Tony O'Burton eighth, Bonack ninth, and good veto tenth.

SPEAKER_01 33:50

But who did he beat that? Exactly. That's my point. Who's gonna take out?

SPEAKER_00 33:55

Right. You know, um good veto's not doing it. So okay, but now we got guys that are severely improved, like a uh Tony O'Burton and like a uh uh Carrizo. Carrizzo, yeah, yeah. Now Baruz Tabani, I think he's probably gonna have a lot to prove because he went into the Olympia last year. Last year he won what did he win? The uh Dubai Pro? Right, he won Dubai. Yeah. So he went into the Olympia and everybody was excited to see him, and he he missed the mark. He didn't break the top 10. So you had William Bonack beat him at the Olympia, but I'm pretty sure he beat William Bonack in a previous show, if I'm not wrong. Not uh I don't, but I'm I might be I might be so I think he has something to prove, and he is with Milos now.

SPEAKER_01 34:55

Yes, and he's I think he's doing the Empro Pro.

SPEAKER_00 34:58

Yeah, he's doing it this weekend, yes. Yeah, okay and it's gonna be him against Bonac. We're gonna see, okay. They're gonna see those guys on. I have let me see who else is in that show. It's turning out to be a pretty good, pretty good show. Okay, we got this. Is the Em Pro Classic. Yeah, we got Soss. Soss doesn't stop competing. That's one how do you do this? I don't understand. I have no idea. This is like what is fifth show? Yeah, like how are we doing this? This other guy, Edward uh Cargo, he's another guy that might be a dog horse. He's pretty damn good. Um, be Roosterbani, William Bonack, that new kid, Daniel Ghost or Goss. Oh he's Italian, he's good too. Yeah, but I think he's just a little young.

SPEAKER_02 35:45

Yeah, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:46

You got uh Amir Omarajak, which is he's a good body, but he comes in peeled. He's got a little bit of a structure problem, but he's always yeah, he's a structure killed. Yeah, you got Roman Fritz, which I uh don't worry. Yeah, I don't know what to think of Roman. I think he I think he has good structure and structure for his physique.

SPEAKER_01 36:09

He's got the I hate using this term, but he's he's got the classic bodybuilder structure, but not open look.

SPEAKER_00 36:17

I agree. He's kind of caught between open and classic, yeah. Then you got uh one of the Andreas from Italy, Andrea Bolzani, uh Lorenzo uh LeVu. Some of that some of these guys I never heard of. Andy Scott. Um, who else we got? Uh Abdullah L. Sarafi, never heard of him. Justin Missilu, never heard of him. Jonathan Peter, never heard of him.

SPEAKER_01 36:47

Oh, Jonathan Peter. No, that's a different guy.

SPEAKER_00 36:49

Brian Drago, Antoine Loth. This is a show where a lot of you, you're gonna see a lot of European bodybuilders. So there might be some, because a lot of these guys, Germany, Switzerland, the Netherlands, United Kingdom, right, Italy, a lot of Germans. But I think basically we know who it's gonna be Sas, Beirus, William, and this guy, Edward Kargbo. I and I and I'm gonna obviously go with Tabani at for the win. Um because when he's on, he's difficult to beat.

SPEAKER_01 37:20

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 37:21

You know. Um the question that I wanted to ask you is uh Bonac won his last show. Uh I believe that was the French, yeah. Yeah, the French Pro or the wide before. And um it wasn't a very deep lineup, but he won. And he qualified. I'm of the opinion that he's on he's on the later side of his career. Yes, and and I think he knows this.

SPEAKER_01 38:00

Yeah. He's taking the moment right now because he knows this will be his last Olympia. No no presentation.

SPEAKER_00 38:09

Okay. He said that, or you know for a f you know?

SPEAKER_01 38:11

I know for a fact.

SPEAKER_00 38:12

Okay, all right. Because he it looks like he's picked a show where he knew he was gonna win, he knew he was gonna qualify. Um, and in the past that wouldn't have been the case. He would have done the Arnold Classic, he probably would have done Pittsburgh, you know, he would have been the tougher shows. But you could kind of one of the telltale signs of a bodybuilder that is on the end of his career but still wants to get one more Olympia appearance is when they pick a show they know they could win. Right? And I think that's what's happening. I might be wrong, it's all speculation, but I think that's what's happening with with Bonac.

SPEAKER_01 38:59

I I sort of agree, but then back in my mind, I'm saying to myself, with the French the France show that he did, I think he was looking at it as well, you know what, Samson did Samson did that show before, so maybe you know it'll be some people coming up that I have some, you know, a good standing. That's how I looked at it. But your point of view, it it sort of makes sense because France wasn't a show really on the radar until William Done. I mean, until um Samson did it. So I I sort of agree with you. Maybe, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:31

I think it becomes, I think these bodybuilders that have been there for a while have to pick the shoulder. They yeah, they very strategically like like that kid Daniel Goss. He's a young kid. He's like, I'll do any fucking show you want, right? It's a different mindset. Yeah, you know, um, because we saw it, I don't know if you remember this, but Branch Warren, who I was a huge fan of, still am. His last Olympia, he did a show in New Jersey. It was like the Atlantic City Pro, if you remember. And it was like a show that was only on for like two years, and he went in there, he clearly won, he blew everybody away, and then he went on to do the Olympia, and then he retired after that. So I think that I think that's what happens when you see these guys at the end toward the end of their career. You know, they don't say it, but you could kind of pick up the signs, right? Which which makes sense, right? I I mean it makes sense. It's like it's like a fighter, and you want to you want to get a couple more fights under your belt before you retire, you're not gonna fucking fight the champ. No, you know, yeah, you know. Uh, but I fully uh I f I fully I fully understand it. Now, William Bonack is a an incredible Hall of Fame bodybuilder.

SPEAKER_02 40:51

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:52

Number two in the Olympia, yeah, Arnold Classic winner. Uh, he actually had a resurgence. I don't know if you remember a few years ago where they were counting him out, and then he just came back. I was he looked phenomenal. So he is he literally has set himself up as you know one of the grades.

SPEAKER_02 41:10

100%.

SPEAKER_00 41:11

So you can't take anything uh uh uh away away from him whatsoever. But I think it's gonna be a good showdown between Beirus and Bonack.

SPEAKER_01 41:21

It's gonna be interesting, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:22

It is, it is. And and and I I think Bonack also realizes it. I think Bonack realizes it, and I think he is saying to himself, I beat this guy at the Olympia. If I could beat him again, yeah, then then then I have a good chance of still breaking the top ten at the Olympia if I can beat this guy again. You know, and don't think these things don't they they all say, Oh, I just want to be a better person than I was at the end. No, no, come on, come on. They all think about this shit, you know?

SPEAKER_01 41:55

100%.

SPEAKER_00 41:56

Yeah, um, but it's going to be a good a good a good showdown. Yep. Um the last thing I want to because I wanted your opinion. I've been talking about this for like the last two weeks. Right. The last thing that I want because I wanted your opinion specifically. And because everybody's talking about this. Nick Walker versus Joe Palacios and Tampa.

SPEAKER_01 42:22

Joel, you know what? Joel's a nice guy. I don't I never talk to him, but the podcast I seen him on, he's very humble. And him being compared to Nick, the structures and that, they both have an anomaly. They're both different, but similar.

SPEAKER_00 42:36

Yeah, yes.

SPEAKER_01 42:37

Now it's it's almost like what I'm gonna contradict myself. When I mean by similar similar structure, it's it's different. It's different. Like it's it's only those two can match up. It's gonna be a fun battle, but if you ask me, okay, hands down, who is a better physique and bodybuilder, is Nick Walker.

SPEAKER_00 42:57

Yeah, it's just he's just he's just more polished and more polished experienced.

SPEAKER_01 43:04

Joe's big right now, but we haven't seen him dial down now. Now he has to dial down because you're not gonna be that big on stage. So when you're that big and you have to dial down, your body changes, it does, it's not the same, it does, and I think we're gonna see something like people are gonna be like, Oh, what happened? I'm telling you now, people are gonna say, Oh, what happened? That's not the Joe we've seen before. What happened? Yeah, you're sucking down, it's not the same look. Nick's been there, Nick's been big, knows how to suck down, still holds it well. Yeah, that's called veteran.

SPEAKER_00 43:33

Yeah, no, I I agree a hundred percent. I'm a huge, I'm a fan of both of the guys because I'm a fan of mass monsters.

SPEAKER_02 43:39

Yeah, me too.

SPEAKER_00 43:40

I'm a fan of mass monsters. My my two favorites are Nick Walker, Samson Dowder, and Joe's like a you know, a third. Um, Joe's been on my show uh twice or three times. And the one thing, great thing about show he could joke. He jokes with Lee and he breaks balls and he laughs, and he doesn't care if he's Politically incorrect, so you kind of want to see him win because he's a very likable guy. Yeah. Nick was on my show once very early on when I first saw the channel. Um seemed like a really good guy, down to earth. Um, I agree. I don't think it's going to be easy for Nick, but I see Nick winning.

SPEAKER_01 44:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:20

I see Nick winning. And that doesn't mean that that doesn't mean anything. So, what I mean by that, like, do you remember when uh Luke Sandau, I forgot what show it was, went up against Derek, uh Dexter Jackson. Before Luke died, he went up against Dexter, and Luke was looked at as like the next big thing before he passed away. He had structure, he had size, he had symmetry, he had balance. Um, but he just went up against one of the greatest in the world.

SPEAKER_02 44:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:53

And he just, you know, and he even said after the show, he's like, I fully agree with him beating me. Like, I totally agree with the outcome. And I think that's kind of what you got here. You got a young guy who has a tremendous future. Oh, yeah, versus somebody who is at the fucking peak of his bodybuilding career. And if Nick looks anything like he did at the Arnold, Bob is gonna be.

SPEAKER_01 45:27

But speaking on that note, what here here's the elephant in the room now. Something doesn't add up right because I've talked to a guy before way back, awesome guy. He shoots from the hip. Nick is one of those look from the outside, will say his piece indirectly, but it's like either you're in or you're out, and I'll drop you another guy. So they were very close. What happened? Like, how can you just be distant now?

SPEAKER_00 45:58

We we were I was talking about this with Jay right before we came on, man. There it was a winning formula, yeah. Him and guy was a winning formula, and it's like, dude, that was the best look he ever brought. And people still argue that he should have beat Andrew Jag.

SPEAKER_02 46:17

That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 46:18

People still go back, and it's like, well, why? Why did you why do you want to change that? That was the winning formula. Looked amazing, you know. Um, so my only thing, and I'm speculating, there has to be more to the story behind the scenes. Um, but Nick and Guy respect each other enough that they are not going to air it out in social media. So you're never gonna find out, but there has to be something more to this, whether they butted heads, whether it was a money thing, whether Guy felt slighted because he didn't get enough um recognition. Who knows? But when you have a winning formula like that, there's gotta be another variable as to why you left. Has to be, has to be.

SPEAKER_01 47:07

And not taking away from this new coach, but like I said, now you have to go back. It takes, and that's you're a SETO or those top girls, it takes you two months, the three, to understand someone's body.

SPEAKER_00 47:19

Yes, yeah. So now the the like Texas, he's doing Texas, I believe, and that's a month away, or maybe he's doing Tampa in in oh sorry, Tampa, Tampa, Tampa, and then he might do Texas, yeah. So that's the same thing I said. I said, if you're gonna leave Guy and you kind of self-coaching and guy kind of guiding you, and that's the winning formula, at least go with somebody that's yeah, known like a SETO, a Farab, a Chad Nickel. Like instead of going with a virtual unknown, like no, and this is not the first time he's done this. He had that guy, Kyle, then he had another guy, Dominic, and nobody even heard of these guys.

SPEAKER_01 48:00

I think what Nick is Nick is I don't know, maybe it might be the wrong word. I'm choosing when I say self-centered, it means that you just have to focus on me. I'm your only focus, and you can't focus on nothing else.

SPEAKER_00 48:11

Uh maybe that it could be that, yeah. Because Asido's got Derek, Asido's got Andrew Jack, the SEDO's got, you know, God knows who else, you know. Um, yeah, no, absolutely. He might not, yeah, he might be like, you're with me, and that's it. I I I don't I don't know, but you're never gonna really I as far I don't really think you're ever gonna find out because I don't think Guy or or Nick are gonna air it out on social media, and I think if anybody were to ask them, they would just be like, no, it was it was amicable, we just split ways, we're friends, you know, it's fine. Um, I don't think they're they would actually really say anything. I think they have too much respect for each other and they've been friends too long, which I respect 100%. I just hope this is the right choice for Nick because Nick has every chance to win the Olympia. If the if if he looks so good at the Arnold that if though the other guys come off five or ten percent, he could fucking sneak right by them. Yep, you know, and we've seen Derek off, we've seen Samson off. You know, we've seen Andrew off. Hadi is almost never off, but we've seen him a bit off. You know? And you know, it's we'll see, we'll see what happens, man. It's gonna be, it's definitely gonna be interesting. It really is. It's gonna, it's gonna be, it's gonna be interesting. And uh I'm looking forward to it. I I I like I I I of course I love the Olympia and I love the and I love the what do you call it? Um I love the Olympia and I I love the Arnolds. Don't get me wrong. But I like the smaller shows too, because you see guys you never normally see.

SPEAKER_01 49:52

Oh yeah, I I'm the same way, 100%.

SPEAKER_00 49:54

Like you know, and then these new these guys that you never normally see, they come out and you go, Who's this guy? This guy's pretty good. Or you or they come out and go, Oh, this guy, he's gotta find something else. Well, when like at the New York Pro, when you saw that kid, Daniel Goss, I was there and I was like, Who the fuck is this kid? Jesus Christ, you know, Eric Wood. Well, who the what what where'd he come from?

SPEAKER_01 50:17

That that's the same thing. Like for Toronto, try to cut you off for Toronto Pro, like that hype was on um Callum coaches this person, Sarah Bradley. If you look her up. Oh, I know what you're talking about. So when I walked, when I walk backstage and I've seen her, I hear the voice, I'm like, is that her voice? It turned around. I had a sweater on. I'm like, she's big.

SPEAKER_00 50:36

I like I felt small, dude. She was insane.

SPEAKER_01 50:43

Like people say she should have won, but I know why she didn't win because she was there's no one close to her, she was just too big. Yeah, there was no one close to her.

SPEAKER_00 50:50

They just they don't when it comes to women's shows, they don't like that real masculine look. You know, they they want a feminine like um what's his name? What's her name that wins the Olympia every year? Oh uh they call her Miss Her name on Instagram is Miss Pretty Muscle. What the hell is her name? Um Andrea Shaw. Andrea Shaw, she has the perfect balance, yeah. Where she's very feminine, but she has tremendous muscle and symmetry and condition, and but she's still she's very attractive. Yep, she has beautiful hair, she has beautiful skin, she conducts herself like a lady on the stage. You know, she knows how to pose like a woman. Yep, she has the perfect balance, and um that's something that that girl is gonna have to learn. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 51:39

Well, she said I don't quote unquote exact words, but she said the reason why she looked like this, she shaved her head is because she didn't want you to be that, oh well, she should look like this. She goes, I am who I am, and I shave my head. Yeah, to cause issues because this is who I am. I don't care what you guys think. I like who I am, and this is how I'm gonna be. And that's why she shaved her head. And she when talked to her, she's an amazing chick, so funny.

SPEAKER_00 52:03

Yeah, and that's that's all respect to that. But you're gonna have to deal with the fact that that's not what they want.

SPEAKER_01 52:09

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 52:10

You know, I mean, I respect her for doing that. Um saying, like, this is the person that I am, and I'm not changing for anybody. And and and and women, female bodybuilders have to like that. That is a mental leap of faith they have to take because they don't look like women, no matter where they go, people are staring, people are making comments, not even in social media, in person, yeah. And they have to just be like you have to, you have to be strong, thick. And even though you're a bodybuilder, you're still a woman, and it that takes a lot for a woman to be able to take negative comments on social media and in person. And I used to be friends with this girl uh when I was competing. Her name was Cassie Hornbuckle, and she was a body, she was she never turned pro, but she was an uh but this is during the late 90s, early 2000s. Okay, so getting a pro card was fucking difficult, right? Yeah, yeah, so but she was very tall, she was big, she was shredded, she was huge, and she had no fear of using anabolics, whatever it took to win. And I remember one night we went out to dinner, and as we're walking into the restaurant, somebody just yells out freak, and she and she just ignored it and just kept walking like nobody said anything.

SPEAKER_02 53:36

Good for her, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:37

You know, and you know what that takes for a fucking woman, a woman, especially a woman, yeah. You know, that's you know, I mean, you see high school girls that you know are are fucking suicidal because their friends don't want to hang out with them anymore, right? And these girls have to be mentally strong because you know, um, this is what they have to go through on a daily basis at the gym, at the supermarket, at the bank, everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 54:08

It's tough.

SPEAKER_00 54:09

You know, um, so unfortunately, that is and and and man, if a woman wants to be a bodybuilder and she wants to compete in bodybuilding, just what's the problem with that? Just this is what she wants to do. She doesn't want to do bikinis, she don't want to do wellness, she wants to be a bodybuilder. That's it, you know. I I don't know, whatever. It is what it is. I mean, am I sexually attracted to that? No, but I have respect enough that this is what she chooses to do, and she wants to do, and she doesn't care what people think, right? You know, anyway, dude. Um, what else you got coming up? You got shows coming up?

SPEAKER_01 54:52

You're competing anytime soon? The plan was to do uh release.

SPEAKER_00 54:56

I saw some of your progress picks, man. You look pretty damn good.

SPEAKER_01 54:58

I'm coming, yeah. I'm coming. I just I I the plan is I want to do it, not just to do well. I in my mind, I have to do it. I want to win. Like, I want to go, I want to win. Yeah, so I'm picking the show. It's like masters are open, but I want to win. So he's like, just focus right now. Let's just let your body do its thing. Don't pick, don't worry about the show.

SPEAKER_00 55:20

Gotcha, gotcha. Yeah, take your time, man. And then when the time is right, you pick a show and go in there and kick some ass. That's really well.

SPEAKER_01 55:28

That's it. Like I said, how Toronto did it this year, the setup and the new backdrop and the bigger show, it was really nice. I would like to end end at Toronto Pro, but right now it's just get the best possible shape I can get into and just whenever they fall, and then we do it from there.

SPEAKER_00 55:46

Oh, good man. I'm glad to hear it. I'm glad to hear you have a goal and you're doing well for yourself, man. Really do. Thank you. Um, Rich, I have to thank you. Um anytime you I ask you to come on, even if it's short notice, you come on. Um, it means a lot to me, dude. It really does.

SPEAKER_01 56:03

Anytime.

SPEAKER_00 56:03

Really does.

SPEAKER_01 56:04

Anytime, brother.

SPEAKER_00 56:05

So thank you, my friend. Much respect and much love. And we will definitely to all talk soon. I'll fucking text you. Okay. All right, brother. Later. Take care.

SPEAKER_01 56:15

Bye.