Anabolic Academy: Jason Arntz is back!! How important is the relationship between Coach and athlete?

What goes into a good working relationship between a coach and a bodybuilder?

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:30

I'm sorry. I was running late. Oh man, I am how late am I? I'm sorry, guys. Six minutes late. I apologize, guys. I was actually uh had a full day running around, went to the gym for like an hour, and then by the time I was done, I was like, oh fuck, I gotta get home. And I ran home. And now here I am, a little bit late, and I am awaiting uh Mr. Jason Owens. He's coming back today, and we're gonna be talking about um what uh happened with him, and then we're gonna be talking about the relationship between coach and bodybuilder, which I think is like I think people kind of don't understand the full scope of coach and bodybuilder. I think it goes into more of just eat what I tell you to eat, do what I tell you to do, and that's it. If it was that simple, then you'd actually it would be pretty it would be pretty easy to get a good coach. And so speaking of good coaches, how you doing, man? I'm all right, dude. How are you? I'm all right. Good, good. You look tan. Really? Yeah, do you spend a lot of time outdoors or something?

SPEAKER_03 1:44

No, I can't even take being in the sun too long. I mean, I go out for a little while and I'll I'll read outside.

SPEAKER_02 1:49

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:50

Um, but I think I don't require because of everything I'm going through, like I'm just sensitive. So I get 10 minutes of sun. It's like I was lying out for hours.

SPEAKER_00 1:59

Right, right, right, right, right. Um, do you want to talk about what you uh what you've been going through?

SPEAKER_03 2:05

Yeah, yeah, we could uh we could shift completely up to you, man. We could we could shed what's up, man. Who's that? I can't even see what on my glasses. Forrest. Oh shit, what's up, Forrest? How are you? So you you remember I had the neck surgeries and and I was dealing with um you had like three, you had you had two back surgeries. Two neck surgeries.

SPEAKER_00 2:26

Two neck sorry, go ahead, go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 2:28

Two neck surgeries. The first one got botched, had to get it redone. I was experiencing atrophy, you know, and pain in neck, which was traveling into my chest and back area. Went for the second neck surgery um mid-December. And uh during the healing process of that, like the pain was just significantly significantly getting worse and worse. Excuse me. And um like the atrophy that I was getting, I I thought it was all from the compression of the of the net that I thought would be coming back now. It was getting worse. So the pain got to the point where it was, dude, it was so unbearable. Like I couldn't, I felt like my collarbones were broken, I felt like my ribs were broken, like I couldn't. You remember talking to me, I couldn't take a deep breath in, my voice was off, you know.

SPEAKER_00 3:21

Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:23

So my my doctor said, something's not right, dude. Why don't we go and get a thoracic spine MRI? Because the pain you're you're indicating doesn't come from your neck. Like if you said your shoulders and arms, like I get it, but then and a little bit in the chest and the back area, but not what you're experiencing, like in the lower ribs. And so I went and I got the thoracic spine MRI, and um it showed some abnormalities. So went over to the hospital, they did a CT scan, and uh they saw some spots that they didn't like, and uh and they diagnosed me with multiple myeloma. Which is so for people that don't know, multiple myeloma is a blood disease, is a blood cancer, and uh it sits in your blood, and you know, we all have these cancers in us and they lie dormant. And I don't know if it was from the stress of all the surgeries or the the inflammation of the nerves regenerating that triggered you know it to respond, but something put it into high gear and the myeloma gets into your gets into your bones, dude. It gets into your your bones and it starts eating away, it starts deteriorating, you know, the consistency of your bones and they become brittle. So I was getting these stress fractures. So at the time I had four broken ribs. Oh I had a I had a compression fracture in my T8 Um that required me to get cemented. Um, like my whole my whole back was basically broken, and I was functioning like this. So we left the hospital, went over to you know Memorial Sloan Kennerig, which is one of the top can't cancer institutes in the area, and uh did the next day they sent me in the city and I started chemo. So I had four days of heavy chemo. They sent me home. I was off for a month because the chemo is still active, and then you start this four-month protocol, which um each month is three weeks on chemo, one week off. So um, I'm currently finishing the second month. My blood work has been great. Um, my numbers have been overwhelmingly, optimistically overwhelmingly good.

SPEAKER_00 5:45

Good, good to hear.

SPEAKER_03 5:47

When they when they first submitted me, I was reading uh my blood was reading 6,000 parts of the multiple myeloma per deciliter of blood. And my last lab result that I met my oncologist was two weeks ago. My numbers were down to 15. Which means which means it's almost totally gone.

SPEAKER_02 6:09

Oh, fantastic.

SPEAKER_03 6:10

Yeah, so the treatments are working. I still have to follow through with the chemo, which is you know, which explains all the weight loss and stuff like that. But I'm I'm I'm functioning again, you know. Uh I'm able to leave the house. I gotta wear a mask when I when I leave the house because my immune system is compromised. At the end of this, I get a stem cell transplant. I'll do it it drops your immunity again, so I'll be immune compromised again. And did I gotta go and get all my childhood vaccines all over again because they're like erased.

SPEAKER_02 6:41

Really?

SPEAKER_03 6:42

Yeah, they're all erased. So I gotta go through and get all that stuff again and build up my immunity. But hopefully after this four months, we should be uh we should be done with this.

SPEAKER_00 6:53

What is the stem cell for?

SPEAKER_03 6:55

So what they do is they originally take out my stem cells and they spin them, they and they they could they kind of design them to it to purposely be able to attack this myeloma for the future. But in the process, when they inject it back into you, that deep into the bone marrow, it resets your whole system. So everything gets reset. So I gotta go through all those all those vaccines again.

SPEAKER_00 7:22

Oh wow, okay. Besides the chemo, is there are there any other therapy you're going through?

SPEAKER_03 7:27

So I I gotta get this bone builder. It's called uh what's it called then? Yeah, Zometa. It's a drug they give for people with osteoporosis. Um and and it's because uh you know your bone density gets weakened from the myeloma just in those areas. So I there's four infusions of that. I just had the second one, which the second one's usually when it starts kicking in. Dude, holy shit. This was last Tuesday, I got my shot. Dude, from like Thursday on, dude, I couldn't move. Oh, dude, my bones felt like like everything's just all the calcium is just flowing into your bones to rebuild them. And all the areas that were hurting me before were just turned on volume 20, dude. Like they were just really oh, dude, I my ribs felt they were broken again, my back felt felt like it was broken again. I couldn't sleep for four nights, dude. There was no comfortable spot. Oh man. And then finally it started like subsiding a little bit. So the past two days have been the first two days I've been able to function, walk again. I walk a mile and a quarter every morning. I do resistance bands, you know, um five days a week. I couldn't do that all last week. But I'm you know, I'm getting my I'm getting some exercise in, did I eating good? I'm doing I'm following all the protocols to a T. Like I'm I'm attacking this thing like I I attacked an Olympia prep, you know. So uh so we're in full steam. Apparently I'm an overachiever. That's what the doc that's what the doctors call me when because the the the the the diagram, the the chart from the myeloma drop, dude, it's a straight, it was a straight downhill, you know, uh drop, you know, which was very very encouraging to see because dude, you don't know. You you you you're sweating one day, oh my god, do I have a fever or something not working?

SPEAKER_02 9:24

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:24

What if the cancer is not leaving your body? Like you hear these horror stories, and and dude, now that I'm on these, you know, it's in my algorithm now, so I see all this stuff coming up in my Instagram and social media, and you you see these dude horrible stories of people that go through chemo and go through these treatments, and sometimes it doesn't work, you know. For the every cancer is different, you know, and it's got to be treated differently, and not just differently for that type of cancer, but differently for that person with that type of cancer. Excuse me. So you only hope when you start this, you're gonna fucking live through it. Dude, I got kids, you know, I got a wife and and responsibilities. And you know, the biggest fear of all this was not being able to be there and yeah, and uh provide and my business.

SPEAKER_00 10:12

And and uh now you know now you know why Walter White sold meth.

SPEAKER_03 10:18

Yeah, but the good news is my daughter, my my my oldest daughter had her prom last week, and I was able to go to see where they took got pictures taken, so I was able to be a part of that. My youngest daughter is graduating eighth grade tomorrow. So um, so I'll be at that graduation. They have a section put aside for me and my wife, like up front, you know, where it's not around because it's indoors, good, so it's not around a lot of people. Um and everybody's been great, dude. I I really um you dude, you called me every day, you know, like you called me every day, and I can't thank you enough for that. And then it goes a long way, you know. Um Yeah, I well uh but how's your wife?

SPEAKER_00 11:03

How's Stacy handling it? Is she okay?

SPEAKER_03 11:05

So yeah, dude, she has her tipping points, you know, but she dude, I couldn't ask for a better partner, a better wife, you know, um better mother of my kids, and she she attacked us the same way I did. Like I was in the hospital, I think for six days, and when she brought me home, you know, the house was all set up, air purifier, this, everything clean, everything sectioned off, like masks around the house for the kids when they come in and out. You know, like she she took care of me. She still is taking care of me, and you know, I'm I'm not as dependent on her now as I was in the very beginning. I still am, and there's still a lot of things I can't do. Um, but I'm able to do do a lot more stuff now than I than I was.

SPEAKER_00 11:52

Your wife is a tremendous human being.

SPEAKER_03 11:55

Dude, nothing I've never met anybody like her.

SPEAKER_00 12:00

I wish uh I wish every guy could have a wife like your like your wife, because from the moment that I met you when she was uh you know helping you with the with the with the muscle beach and um how she you know uh how she you know just basically is your partner in life and the things she does for you, she's a just tremendous human being. And uh it goes it goes a it goes a long way and um yeah you know so you're you're blessed in that manner, but I'm sure you knew what you were marrying when you got married. Of course I did, but when you're hit with this, yes, you know you really hits the fan, you really never know, you know when you test marriage, when the shit is the fan.

SPEAKER_03 12:43

I always say you can't judge a girl in in the beginning of your relationships, you can't judge a girl based upon how everything's going, how you get along. You gotta base a girl upon what happens when you fight, when you get into an argument, how does she act? Does she overreact? Is she then vindictive? You know, does she hold a grudge? And and my wife has passed every possible test you could you could yeah, you could think there would be. But this was truly um a sign that you know she is uh she's on a different level, dude. She is she's just on I would I probably wouldn't be here, yeah if it wasn't for her.

SPEAKER_00 13:26

Yeah, uh and that's what we take the vows for, right?

SPEAKER_03 13:30

I mean well, dude, I was looking the way I looked going into the hospital. Yeah, dude, I was looking death in the face, dude. I was gray. When she when she took me in the city to to to take me in the first night, I didn't know this till like I got out. Like she was, and even before this, like she was crying to me. I had no idea because I was complaining how much pain I was in, and we had no idea I was fighting cancer, you know, like we we just thought it was for my neck surgery, right? Everything kind of you know, there was a reasonable deduction for every pain I was having, but then it got to the point where I looked like I was wasting away. I was like, something's not right, something's not we gotta something's wrong. Like it shouldn't be, like I couldn't breathe. Yeah, I was one, I was one you know, odd breath away from fucking going, dude. Like like it was that it was that close. So when when I got back, she told me she's like, I didn't realize how bad until we were in the waiting room to get my room. She goes, You blacked out like three times from the pain. Three times, just waiting in the waiting room.

SPEAKER_00 14:38

Yeah, uh I'm just I'm just happy you're doing better, man. Yeah, and as far as I'm gonna I'm gonna be very honest, as far as me calling you every day or texting you or whatever the case may be, and this is the God's honest truth. I know people don't understand, people don't know me well, they just know me as the person on here. I don't believe I'm a good person. I don't believe I'm a good human being. I believe that I have done terrible things in the past, and you know, I don't believe I'm a good human being. I now that I'm older and I've realized that I don't think I'm a good human being, I try my hardest to be a good person. I really try to reverse to reverse the things that I've done in the past.

SPEAKER_03 15:35

Well, I could say that. I could say that about myself, I could say that about a lot of people, you know. Um but true colors are shown, you know, in in stressful situations and in tragedies, in situations like this. And there's been a lot of people, dude, that have been there for me that I thought would be. There's been other people that I thought that are that were there for me that I really wasn't expecting. And there was people that I thought were gonna be there for me that weren't, yeah, you know, and uh so you know it's never too late in life to make that change, you know, or to learn something new or to be a different way, you know. Um you know none of us are good. We're all yeah, we're all sinners, right? I mean, you know, so but you're judged based upon your actions in the present, you know. All else is easily forgiven, dude. And with what I've gone through, dude, I've I've realized what is not fucking important in life.

SPEAKER_02 16:43

Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:44

You know what I mean? And the fact that I'm going to my daughter's graduation tomorrow will bring tears to my eyes. I got my oldest daughter graduating.

SPEAKER_00 16:53

I saw the pictures on Facebook, actually.

SPEAKER_03 16:55

Yeah, she's graduating next week, and she made she got into fucking Rutgers nursing, dude.

SPEAKER_00 17:00

Yeah, she's gonna be, yeah, it's fantastic.

SPEAKER_03 17:02

They only admit like 200 and something people a year, and they get how many applications?

SPEAKER_00 17:09

They go get almost 5,000 applications. Well, you're you got you have you have exceptional kids. I mean, athletically and intelligence. You have you have two exceptional children. I mean, even socially.

SPEAKER_01 17:22

Yeah, yeah, even social.

SPEAKER_00 17:24

I mean, it's like it's funny because when I the very few times that I'm around them, this they just they they're kind of like you and your wife. They make you feel like they they known you forever. Yeah, you know, and um warming.

SPEAKER_03 17:35

We're warming people, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:36

And it's just very because most kids have no social skills whatsoever because of technology and the phone. And your kids are just the complete opposite. I mean, they're just very warm, they're just very welcoming, they're very sociable. Um, you could have a uh a conversation. You you think they're older than what they are. I mean, that's just you're Jay. I know you've been through a lot, but you are a blessed man when it comes to family. That's for sure, man.

SPEAKER_03 17:59

Thank you. Well, dude, to be honest, like I knew I knew what it was like not feeling that way growing up and not being not being made to feel that way. So it was oh it was always I wanted to do better. So I didn't want people to feel how I felt. So I always wanted the people feel I always wanted people to feel good around me, yeah, loved or liked or appreciated or not disrespect, not dis uh disrespected, or not shunned, or not, or not to feel bad about themselves, you know. So, and I think that's just how my wife are around them, and they pick it up, and then you know, they'll they'll teach it to others.

SPEAKER_00 18:36

Yeah, it's it's so funny. You know what it is? We're both uh we're both Gen X, right? Yeah, it's so funny. Like, I think we're one of the few generations that actually realized the way that we were raised, there's gotta be a better way. There has to be a better way, right? I mean, because like I literally, it was like I I had no my parents were together. I had no guidance, I was completely on my own. Like, and that was Gen X. Gen X was like, you you're on your own. That's it. I'm not teaching you anything. The lights are on, there's food on the table, there's clothes on your back, go to school and don't break my balls. And that's it. That and you got no compassion, you got no love. I was, I was, and that's probably why I'm not a big like emotional person, because I got nothing zero, nothing, right? And then what I've noticed is that the Gen X parents they uh learn from that, the majority of them, and they really put uh a lot of emphasis into compassion and love and balance into their children. So right, but um no man, I'm really glad uh you're doing well. And yeah, I wasn't, I would, I wasn't, I wasn't gonna, I I I I was morally obligated to check on you almost every day because you've been there for me since I had zero subscribers on my channel from the first day. And and and and there aren't too many people that come into your life that are good people, and you're one of them. And I wasn't, I'm not going to sacrifice that you were in trouble, you had issues, and I just had to make sure that you were doing okay, and then if you needed anything, I was there. And you know, when one phone call, that's just like almost virtual signaling, right? Like, uh, yeah, okay, you'll be fine. But I it wasn't that. I I I was sincerely concerned, you know. I might have been more of a I was probably more of a pain in the ass. Dude, not at all.

SPEAKER_03 20:44

Let's tell you when when you when you don't have certainty, okay, and and you don't know what each day is gonna bring, and you don't know how your body's gonna respond to these treatments, like you don't know if you're gonna wake up each morning, you know, and it puts uh it puts a lot of dark thoughts you know in your head. And there's nothing worse than having these dark thoughts when you're alone or you feel alone. So any extra support, especially during those times, like when you're you're not even out of the woods, you're you're you're just in the woods with no light. You know, not even like now I'm you know I see light, you know?

SPEAKER_02 21:36

Right.

SPEAKER_03 21:36

Um, but those times, dude. So all of it, every one of every one of those calls or texts, dude, was was felt and uh greatly appreciated.

SPEAKER_00 21:49

Good man. I'm I'm I'm happy to hear that, man. I really am. I really am. Let's change the topic because if I start crying, I'll never forgive you.

SPEAKER_04 22:02

I'm gonna get it out of you on day. I'm gonna get it out of you.

SPEAKER_00 22:07

Dude, I have my the l the I haven't cried since my father died 22 years ago. That was the last time I cried. Anyway. Um, this is what the particular topic I wanted to talk about. We kind of touched on it a little bit, me, Lee, um, Aaron. Have I've had Aaron Clark on, who's great. I've had uh um who else have I on? Um a bunch of new guys that have come and gone and whatnot. And we were talking about how Nick Walker looked at the uh Arnold Classic, and he looked incredible. That might have been his best look ever.

SPEAKER_03 22:46

I thought it was his did you go my order? Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 22:50

I thought it was his best look ever, and he coached himself. Yeah, well, he said he coached himself, but Guy Sistina was really helping him.

SPEAKER_03 22:57

I know Guy was just his voice, right? Just to help him out the last, you know, but whatever, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 23:04

Yeah, I understand he was staying at Guy's house. Oh yeah, um maybe it's more than I thought, type of thing. Uh um, yeah, it might have been a little bit more than just you know, uh than a guiding eye, but guy, guy helped him. I don't think it was his full-time coach, but guy helped him. He probably you know didn't make any money from it, but basically said, you know, because they would they I'm pretty sure Nick and Guy are close.

SPEAKER_03 23:27

Yeah, they had their podcast for for a while. They did their own, and uh so they got a relationship.

SPEAKER_00 23:33

Um and he looked in cr in probably the best he's ever looked, as far as I'm concerned. I think I think so, yes. So the the question was why change and get a virtual unknown trainer to go to go into Tampa.

SPEAKER_03 23:50

All I could say is I hope it works for him. Dude, I know coaching yourself. I I did it myself. Dorian did it himself. Every you know, all the top guys at Sean Ray did it.

SPEAKER_00 24:01

The older generation always, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_03 24:02

I mean, some didn't, you know, but dude, it's not easy. It it's definitely you have to have a certain mentality to go through that alone without without you know the feedback or the honest feedback from somebody who's looking at you. That's what that's what I thought Guy was doing. He was just giving him an eye. An extra opinion, you know, somebody who wasn't a cheerleader. Right. Does this look good? What do you think I should do? And then and then and then, you know, uh Nick would make his modifications or change um that he thought he had to to whatever each week was bringing, whatever each week's look was was bringing to the mirror, right? Um, but he says he wants to be a robot again, that's what I heard, and um he doesn't want to pressure. And he wants to sit back and just have another coach. But if you have a winning winning formula and the past three coaches didn't work out for you, right? If it ain't broken, dude, what the fuck you're doing?

SPEAKER_00 25:10

I know, and you and Guy together put together this package that no, I mean it was um you looked amazing. People were still still arguing about it, him or Andrew Jack.

SPEAKER_03 25:21

And I I hope it works for him because that look could be very interesting at this year's Olympia, dude. Like oh yeah, so if he's anything short from that dude, he's gonna bump his ass down.

SPEAKER_00 25:32

Like, yeah, yeah. I mean, if he looks like that at the Olympia, anybody who's slipping, he's gonna come right fucking uh right back now. Here's the thing we were talking a little bit. Is it? I mean, you've coached people, you've had coaches, blah blah blah. Is it more than just eat this and talk to me tomorrow? Send me your progress picks, do this. Does it go into personality? Doesn't go into is some people, some some athletes, some people respond better to cheerleaders, other people respond better to um uh criticism, like hard criticism, right? Like um, and some people might butt heads with us uh another person. Does it go more into that? Because to me, there's gotta be more to this than just I think I need a new coach, especially how he looked. Um now I'm speculating and and we speculated, but I figured you would know a little bit more because you know you've been in that situation where you've where you've coached people. What do you think?

SPEAKER_03 26:45

See, I was I'm like the I'm a coach's dream. You know, I'm the kind of guy just fucking tell me what to do. Tell me if I look good or I don't. I don't I don't want a cheerleader. I don't just tell me what to do. Right, how would you fix it? And I'll fucking do it. I'll see you next week, you know, whatever. But dude, I knew other people, even at pro levels, like I knew I knew coaches that had to call their fucking athletes. Did you eat your meal? Did you eat your third meal, your fourth meal? Because like it gets so monotonous that some of these guys they gotta chase them down just to do their fucking jobs. Like if that's on I couldn't coach somebody like that, dude. I don't have the tolerance for it. I I like coaching people that you know, hey dude, this is what you gotta do. Let's get that, you know. I don't I don't sugarcoat it, you know. Um, but there are those people. I I suspect it's more like on the lower levels where these people need to be coddled. Um, because if you're one of these top-tier guys, dude, nowadays and you need to be checked in every fucking day to make sure you're doing your cardio or to see it see how your mental health is, like, you know, then then maybe there's something you need to do differently, you know, but you can't handle constructive criticism. Like, why does the constructive criticism have to change? The constructive criticism is there to help you, but because you don't handle it well, it's gotta be the dialogue has to be put differently to each person, right? I don't have I don't have the temperament for that. There are people that do. So it all depends on how seriously you take your coaching and how seriously you take your clients, right? What kind of future you want to meet? You know, if you want if you want to to be a coach with 80 clients, dude, you're gonna have to do these check-ins and it's gonna be this cookie cutter stuff, and it's gonna be uh hey, and then me check on you every other day because this is what you need, but you're sending me my thousand dollars every month, whatever, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 28:42

Yeah, and then some athletes might you need to might have to stay on top of some athletes, other athletes you might be able not to, like, okay, you know, I know this guy is gonna do exactly what I say, so I have to check in with him every day.

SPEAKER_03 28:53

And then, but when you get to Nick's level, like when you get to the level of these guys, and you know, these guys should be devoted to them, you know, and like our dude, let's let's check you out every every day or two.

SPEAKER_00 29:04

That's true, that's true.

SPEAKER_03 29:05

You know, check your progress. I'm with you. It was different all the time because we didn't have there was no online coaching.

SPEAKER_04 29:12

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_03 29:14

I'm gonna meet you, I'm gonna train with you, I'll look at you afterwards, and then we'll we'll we'll part ways for a couple days if we didn't live close. Like I worked with a couple guys in my early amateur days, and we'd meet at the gym, we trained there, and he'd look at me afterwards, and you know, and we'd make some modifications. Otherwise, he'd meet me once a week, we'd do a weight check-in, you know, go through my posing rounds and make some diet modifications, some drug modifications, and then and we're done.

SPEAKER_01 29:40

You know, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:41

That's it. Tell me I look like shit and tell me what I need to fix. And next week I'll be better.

SPEAKER_00 29:46

Yeah, I I've do you think it's a possibility again? Is this chill we're just speculating? And we're speculating because nobody has the inside information, meaning that you know he looks so good, you're like, well, why? What why would you get rid of that formula? You doing that, and then guy with you. Like the formula worked, so why get rid of it? So to me, there's got to be something more. Do you we both I don't know guy very well, but guy is not a guy's a very serious guy. Like, if he he's gonna tell he's gonna be very straightforward, he's gonna say, You fucking look like shit and you better, you know, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Do you think that that might be the problem where Nick again? Now Nick is you know one of the best in the world, and he's like, you know, don't talk to me like that. I'm not a child, just tell me what to do and I'll do it, blah blah blah, so on and so forth. Do you think that there's kind of maybe a possibility of a clash of heads?

SPEAKER_03 30:36

No, because I don't think Nick's, I think they're close enough where Nick is like, dude, fuck you. Just yeah, they bust each other's balls. I don't think it's like that. Um I think I was just an another eye to give him a look, maybe suggest a couple things. Um maybe Nick did his own thing, maybe I don't, I don't know. Like it's hard to tell, dude. Like you get different fucking stories. I know, I know. Who knows if they're telling you the truth and the stuff on social media? It's social media, dude. It's all marketing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:07

Well, I think I think the one thing I do think, I think Nick and Guy respect each other enough where they're not going to let out what actually happened.

SPEAKER_03 31:15

So, whatever. So, whether whether that was whether that was they're still friends, you know.

SPEAKER_01 31:20

Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:21

But but I just don't know why you would change it if it works so well. And here's the other question: why would you go with a virtual how more hands off do you want to be?

SPEAKER_03 31:35

Say that again. Like how how much more hands off does Nick want to be in his own prep?

SPEAKER_00 31:40

Right, right.

SPEAKER_03 31:42

Like, don't you want to not be able to blame anybody?

SPEAKER_00 31:44

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:45

That's the best thing is that if you fuck up, it's on you, right? You know, you don't want somebody else's fuck up weighing down your prize money, weighing down your Olympia, you know, your Olympia placing. But dude, you should know what to do now. You just did it, yeah. Do it again and fucking win an Olympia, you know.

SPEAKER_00 32:03

Like, yeah, I don't I don't I don't know. It it it baffles me why because he's get it's getting to the point where now he's changed coaches. I don't know what a half a dozen times at this point, you know. And if you here's another thing this is the second time he went with a virtual unknown. There was another time it was like a friend of his, I think the guy's name was Dominic or something like that. I don't remember. There was Dominic, there was Kyle, all right. There was his original Matt. Like, I don't know if you've been following bodybuilding, but he worked with Jeff Wong.

SPEAKER_03 32:38

He worked with Jeff Wong years and years ago, right?

SPEAKER_00 32:41

Right, right, right, right, right. Oh, I forgot about Jeff.

SPEAKER_03 32:43

Then it was somebody else, then it was, you know, like I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 32:48

I don't know if you saw what um I mean, I I wish I can get him on because I I think he's the greatest coach in bodybuilding history, but I don't know if you've been following the last couple of shows, but Eric Wood is a Canadian bodybuilder, and he actually this year hired a SETO. And nobody had Eric Wood on their radar. Nobody. And all of a sudden, um he from Tampa, and I forgot the show before Tampa, not Tampa, I apologize. Toronto. Hey, Toronto, he comes in uh close second to uh to Quentin Beastwood, and then he comes in second again the show before that, and it was like it would the the difference is with between Eric Wood between the uh you know two years ago or last year when he when he competed and this year is night and day. Why wouldn't you, if you're at that top, top level, why wouldn't you go get a coach that is tried, true, and tested like an asito? Why would you at at least for the at least get somebody that has been doing it for 30 years and has a track record like no other? So he seasoned seasoned. Yeah, I just don't understand why you you wouldn't, you know. I don't I don't even know if he's ever approached a seed. I mean, look what look what a sido did for it. Doesn't have to be a sido, it could have been a sido, it could be far, it could be milos, you know what I'm saying? I'm just picking a seato because it's look what he did for Eric Wood, look what he did for Andrew Jack. He made Derek win the fucking Olympia again. I mean, the guy is just whatever he does, uh whatever he touches turns to fucking gold. It's unbelievable. Yeah, and um, and then your Nick Walker, who's doing it with all different body types, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_03 34:42

That's what's so fascinating about Chris. So so Nick wouldn't be an enigma to him. That's right. Um, I don't know, maybe Nick's never approached him or never asked him. Uh you know, I don't think Chris is the type of guy that's gonna call him.

SPEAKER_00 34:57

No, definitely not.

SPEAKER_03 34:58

Hey, dude, let me coach you, you know. I it would but but you you just had a winning recipe.

SPEAKER_02 35:04

I know.

SPEAKER_03 35:05

So leaving a seat, all due respect to Asito and all the other coaches you mentioned, but put them all aside. You just had a winning recipe on your own. Right now, you want to sit back and take it easy for for the next one, right?

SPEAKER_00 35:19

Right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_03 35:20

So I really I'm a fan of Nick's dude, he's a Jersey guy. I'm still a huge fan. He won my show, he won the muscle beach uh 2017 or 19, or whatever 2017 did he won the show, yeah. Um, I know his family, I met his family.

SPEAKER_00 35:38

Um oh his parents are great, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:41

So I I I I I support him more than any of these guys, dude. And and I'm just shocked, yeah, this decision, you know, like so. I I hope I hope it's a good one for him, dude, because this could be a good year for him.

SPEAKER_00 35:56

No, uh absolutely. Um, and everybody is going to be we're uh watching him and uh Joe Palacios and Tampa uh because that's gonna be a big um uh uh that's gonna be a big yeah uh rivalry. Because they're bit they're you know similarly built. But um I just you know I I don't it it was the same we and this isn't new, right? This isn't new. I remember when Blessing won the New York Pro and he had Farrah and he won the New York Pro. Blessing's legs aren't that great, but when they come in separated, it's more of an illusion that they don't look that bad. They actually look pretty good when they come in separated. They don't look, he doesn't look as top heavy, right? And Farah was able to get him to that point where his legs look separated, he looked incredible, he won the New York Pro. And then he's left Farah. Now, in that case, it might be a money thing, I don't really know, but I just you know, I I really wish I I'm I'm I'm becoming more and more plugged into the bodybuilding world, but I'm not that plugged in, right? So I don't know the behind the scenes exactly why and where. All I'm seeing is like anybody else, you look great, why leave? Right? That's all I'm saying. But I there's gotta be some kind of personality traits, relationship, money, issues that go on behind the scenes.

SPEAKER_03 37:35

Maybe it is, you know, just exactly what he says, which everybody's always known that Nick's like a robot, dude. And and maybe maybe that's it. He just, you know, he doesn't want to think about anything because, dude, it is yeah, it could be it's tough prepping for your own show, dude. I've done it a million times.

SPEAKER_00 37:53

I can't I can't imagine.

SPEAKER_03 37:54

Yeah, just tell me what it's physically draining and it's emotionally draining and it's mentally draining when you when you have to coach yourself. When you could take that level off, you'd definitely make it easier on yourself. But it's it's not like that that extra level of stress affected Nick because he just won his last show and gave us his his best version of himself ever.

SPEAKER_02 38:16

Right.

SPEAKER_03 38:16

So the stress, that kind of stress worked for him, and supposedly he's one of these guys that only works well under stress.

SPEAKER_00 38:23

And and what's funny is that Guy was like that, right? Guy has openly admitted that he only does well, he only did well in bodybuilding when his life was a fucking mess. You know, but uh, I don't know. It's it's it's a it's a strange. I've seen like I've seen coaches like when Guy Del Costa was alive and he used to coach people in his gym, he used to have guys' gym in Hawthorne. I've seen coaches change their attitude from from training guys to girls, right? They would have more of a polite uh a polite direction toward women, and he would have a more polite, a more diplomatic direction toward women, but with men, he would be more very direct. I've seen that because I kind of could understand there's a there's a difference. I get it, right? I fucking get it. But with uh I I I don't know with me, you know, as long as you're not insulting me, you just tell me take this out, put this in, you know, you gotta up your cardio, take your cardio, lower your cardio, do that.

SPEAKER_04 39:30

That's it, you know.

SPEAKER_00 39:32

I mean, well, whatever. Some and some people, you know, some people want a coach to be like uh, you know, a fucking, you know, a fucking father figure, like a fucking priest from your parish or some shit. And that's just not what they do. Yeah, you know, but anyway, anyway, listen, I'm gonna let you go, man. Yes, sir. Um, all the love and the respect to you, as always. Um oh wait, I forgot. Hold on. Muscle beach.

SPEAKER_03 39:57

Oh, yeah, dude. Five weeks. We are five weeks away.

SPEAKER_00 40:00

Okay, and where is it gonna be?

SPEAKER_03 40:02

So we're back in Tinton Falls, we're back at the uh performing arts center at Mammoth Regional High School.

SPEAKER_00 40:09

Okay, okay, good. And also, uh in the in the link, I prevail subs. Oh, yeah. Discount code SNS10. Go and uh go and get yourself some stuff. I've been trying to get people to uh purchase anything they can to support you uh during during your time. So uh I hope maybe you did get some. But for the most part, other than that, uh we're all good, man. All right, brother. Thank you for having me again. Of course, man. I'll talk to you. I'll fucking call you tomorrow. All right, brother, be safe. Later. Good night.