Hello, and welcome to snows return a tabletop role playing podcast. My guests today are from the fantastic production of d&d madness and adventures created and run entirely by people of marginalised gender. One of my guests is horrifyingly brilliant, and will have you reaching for a stiff drink to calm your nerve. And the other Well, can only be described as a total, or legend, from the amazing twitch stream and podcast, tabletop titties, and that's what it is. My pleasure to welcome Shawn bear and Emily matcha. Welcome to you both.
Charlene Bayer:Holy shit, that was the bet. Oh, I hope I can swear. But that was the best intro I've ever had. Thanks so much for having us. Hello,
Snyders Return:pleasure. And I've I've wanted to do this. And yeah, I've wanted to do this. Anytime reached out to you. Way back in your early stages, which is something we can actually touch on now. So before we move into the show itself and and the future for both of you, how did each of you get into tabletop role playing games? We'll start with you please. Emily.
Emily Matchette:Sure. I played a couple of sessions in university with some friends. They invited me to join along with their nerdy activities. And then it just kind of died out very quickly because University schedules busy theatre school. And then just last year, I started playing legends the superhero role playing game, which is the RPG that my dad and brother have written. So started helping with play testing early 2020 with that, and then started working on the podcast with them, and then spiralled into tabletop titties with I was like, I think, more shows with marginalise genders so reached out to all of my other friends from Theatre School and stuff like Shar, who I knew liked the RPGs as well, because I'm a super nerd. super nerdy. Yeah.
Snyders Return:Well, since we've had a lead into yourself shot, would you mind telling us how you got into tabletop role playing?
Charlene Bayer:Yeah, for sure. I love d&d, and that was my like, main introduction to the world of tabletop. I played once when I was a young lass, but I quickly petered out until I watched Stranger Things that really sparked my main passion for role playing games. And I never looked back now I play a lot of Vampire the Masquerade and d&d are my two main ones, but I love a good indie ttrpg as well. And it's a big help that my partner Kelly right there, our sound engineer on tabletop titties, is a big role playing nerd themselves. So super great to have that in the family.
Snyders Return:Well, you've both mentioned friends and partners and this team that you you've drawn together sounds more like the legend superhero I'm describing. You sort of brought together this team, would you mind taking us through the foundation of tabletop duties and what it is to someone that may? unbelievably so be unfamiliar with your show by now?
Charlene Bayer:Yeah, Emily, you should feel this because this is your baby.
Emily Matchette:Sure. Yeah. So I got into I am an RPG baby myself. And I started listening to the adventure zone last year, and I binged it all in listen to it all and I'm ridiculously short amount of time. And then we were already starting the legends podcast, and Amanda is in that one as well. And I just thought that I would love to listen to a show that was not all. Dude voices and see what a cast of marginalised genders could do. Alright, had Amanda on my side and then I reached out to Rachel who I played with in university and then Shar is well and then I think I posted on like an Instagram story asking about people who played RPGs and Sara replied to that and I was like, Yes, someone else we went to school with that's awesome too. And then it's just it's it's super like spiralled and snowballed. I would say way. faster and bigger than I thought it ever would. And it's awesome. Yeah.
Charlene Bayer:And then like we all got together and started sort of like just discussing, like, what do we want from this show? What are we going to do that will make us stand out, but that will, like help the ttrpg community overall. And that's where we really like honed in on the fact that we all were not just that white guys. And that was kind of cool. And we should celebrate that because it's something interesting about like, tabletop community in general, although most of us are very, very welcoming. There is this underlying sense of like, you don't belong, there's like gatekeeping, sometimes when it comes to people who are different in regards to if that's like sexuality, or gender, race, or whatever it might be. And then we really just, like, kind of wanted to fight against that and make the most welcoming table that we ever could. And then tabletop titties was born. And we made a joke about how big our boobs are.
Emily Matchette:Yeah, I think we can credit the name to it. Was it Rachel? I think it was Rachel that came up with the name as a joke. But then all of us were like, but it's actually really good. Actually. Like,
Charlene Bayer:yeah, originally, we had a lot, a much more racy term, but we gotta just be kept to our little secret.
Snyders Return:Fair enough. So from this, you, you've got backing to help you? Am I right in saying that you you sort of reached out and the community really helped sort of bring the project to life? Is that a fair observation?
Emily Matchette:Yeah, I would say we ran an Indiegogo, which was pretty successful. If I recall correctly, all everything blends together, after at some point, but it was super successful. Amanda did our Indiegogo and Sarah does all of our sponsor connections. And she's amazing at that. And the community that has kind of risen up around the project is really, really special and inspires me to do better with it as well.
Charlene Bayer:Sure, for sure. And that's one thing that's great about our team, too, is that we all wanted this to succeed. And we all took on. Although we were making an indie show that we hadn't done before. I have experienced with another podcast, as you mentioned in my intro, drinking and screaming, but this was going to be our first tabletop podcast and actual play show. And everybody came to the table super prepared. And we all split up our roles of like producer roles in such a great way that made the amount of work that we all had to do a lot more streamlined and cohesive. So it wasn't as much of a daunting task. We really couldn't have done it without every single team member.
Snyders Return:Yeah, I'd like to invite one of you or both of you, if you want to do it in tandem, to let people know where they can find you and your content as individuals. And as a podcast. The links of the description below. People can pause this interview and go and support you where ever you let them know that they can.
Charlene Bayer:Yeah, Emily, it's it's you again, our tag at the end of the show.
Emily Matchette:It's the mid show of Yeah, if you want to support the show. The easiest and best way to do that is to become a patron. We're on patreon@patreon.com forward slash tabletop titties. We've got lots of cool stuff up there. Bonus episodes Wilmers adventure journal. What else we have on there. We
Charlene Bayer:got lots of char rods that though so I don't know, if you can design magic items. We're in season two now. So the party needs all the help they can get. I also do polls on there. So you can help direct the way the story is going and give some extra challenges to my players. So yeah, head on over to patreon.com slash tabletop cities.
Emily Matchette:Yeah. Please be nice to us, though on those. Yeah. And then our website is www dot tabletop Teddy's calm and got that's got all our information on it as well. It's kind of the easiest way to find mess, I would say.
Snyders Return:All right, and you also have merchandise on available for people to purchase. Should we say? Yeah, we've
Emily Matchette:got our you can get all sorts of stuff on our threadless tabletop titties.threadless.com is all of our merch we got lots of stuff up there. Shirts, crewnecks. hoodies, pillow, we love the pillow. I have a notebook. Little like, I think they're supposed to be pencil cases, but you get your dice in them.
Charlene Bayer:Yeah, that's what it is. It's a dice bag. Don't quote us.
Snyders Return:Right? You sort of lead this group as as the DM and as you said, they're moving. You're moving into Season Two or will be in season two. So are you able to give us your experiences from season one as the DM and how you found guiding this group, shall we say through their adventures?
Charlene Bayer:Yeah. Hmm. So that's something actually I haven't said yet is that tabletop titties was my first time dming, which was a really big task. For me, I have a lot of anxiety. I'm a perfectionist, and especially being a woman in the tabletop community, you need to get everything right. Or at least it feels that way. Or else you're going to be called, like a fake Gamer Girl or whatever. So that was something that was super stressful for me over I would say, like the first third of the season, every session, I had major anxiety. Now, I still have a bit of anxiety. But I know that my players are all so amazing. They helped me every step of the way. And that's something that's so great about our show is that we can make mistakes together. And it doesn't matter. You know, we're just having fun telling a story collaboratively, which is super awesome to do with this group of people. But yeah, like, I, my players surprise me so much. I plan an episode. And I think like 80% of the time, I do not do what I think they will, which keeps me on my toes. But it's definitely part of the fun, for sure. You're welcome. And I homebrewed everything as well, which was something I did purposefully I made that choice because I didn't want to accidentally make mistakes going forward with a plot that was already written, but I would not recommend dmws do that their first go around the modules that are created are awesome. You know, the adventure zone did here, they bigger blends, which was a module and then it lifted up into their own ease of story, which was so cool. I started out from my own brain from the get go, which was really hard, but super rewarding as well. I don't know, take from that what you will.
Snyders Return:Don't be scared to try. But expect that to be hard work.
Charlene Bayer:Yes, exactly. For sure.
Snyders Return:So that the question for you, Emily, that as part of the group then. Yeah, what has been one of your highlights from this first season via an NPC or location or an encounter? What much or imagination the most? Oh,
Emily Matchette:I think Well, that's a really good question. I really love seeing how the characters interact with each other, and how the relationships have grown. But like a specific moment is probably in our latest episode for when we're recording this. But in Episode 15 Episode 15 was like a huge battle and Borba had like a lot going on. Most things with the warm up or Rachel does an excellent job with Borba and her her storyline. I think that Charlotte's been feeding her things. It's been really great to watch. And as a storyteller, it's Yeah, I just love watching it unfold.
Snyders Return:Well, you mentioned there some characters would you mind sort of giving us a rundown of casting characters for someone that may not have listened to the podcast or watched you stream as yet?
Charlene Bayer:Yeah, for sure. So yeah, I'm Charlene bear. I'm the dungeon goddess. I play every other NPC involved, but otherwise we have Rachel feet lead who plays Borba the orc barbarian. We have Amanda Lorenzo who plays Thor and fire halfling a bard. Sara Mayfield plays Wilmer, the wild magic sorcerer who's the prince of the area of fear for that we're playing in and then of course, we have Emily. Emily match it. She plays Steve the good gnome rogue, rogue artificer. Very awesome. multiclassing. When that came up, I was like, yeah, you can do that. I know how that works for Google.
Emily Matchette:That's how it went on my end to I was like, I want to do this. But Google, how do you multiclass
Snyders Return:great Saviour is Google. Well, I asked Emily. They're one of her favourite moments. Shawn, first time dming thing into this show. His podcast is stream. What has been your favourite NPC to portray? Who have you really felt that you brought to life in his post to the table in the group?
Charlene Bayer:Oh, yeah. This is an interesting one. And it's definitely I mean, if you've listened to the show, you have exactly who I'm gonna say in your brain. It's Marge, my she has a voice like this and she's this human in this trial. And you know, it's really interesting because she was meant to be this NPC that was just there for one episode. But all of a sudden, when that episode came out, everybody was interested in and all of a sudden, I had to come up with this whole plotline for it to be really involved in the trials and she's saved the party quite a bunch. And you know, they adopted hers. So well into their family that their marriages favourites now as their team name in the wild wild trials, which is hilarious to me. We love March and March. Yeah, it's a given take for sure.
Snyders Return:It is amazing. And you mentioned a little bit before about homebrewing everything and how the published modules are, are a good structure to use if if you are new gems or even a long term dmws. But for the hobby for d&d, or wider where is it that you would like to see Dungeons and Dragons go next? That can be a setting that could be a subclass? That could be something to do with the community? Or it's quite a broad question. And I apologise for that. But also, I don't apologise for that, because I'd like your insight on it.
Charlene Bayer:Yeah, for me, it's definitely we sort of saw this touched when Tasha is culture and everything came out, but I need more diversity in DND, I need more actual structure and rule changes from Wizards of the Coast instead of just you can do whatever you want to make our games more diverse. So I'm really looking forward to the next thing that they put out to help their community grow and be more accepting as time of recording this. We've seen a lot of pushback even with just like the combat wheelchair, which is something that is so cool. So I need I need more immersiveness in regards to disability, race, gender, yeah. All That Jazz.
Snyders Return:What about you, Emily? Yeah, I agree.
Emily Matchette:Yeah, you cover that really? Well. Sure. Yeah. It's Yeah, yeah, the more diversity from Wizards of the Coast, I think, because you can homebrew whatever you want. But I think it makes a difference if it's coming right from the source.
Charlene Bayer:Yeah. Even like making when they have these, like pre created adventures, having modules with NPCs that are already diverse would be so welcome. For me, like in Canada and queer characters would be a great jumping off point. There are some I think I can name like four of them. Why can I only name for Come on, get it?
Snyders Return:That is very fair, in a very valid point, and something that hopefully somewhere in the ether was the co star sort of cluing into an accepting as a necessary step for, for the community, the game and the betterment of all of those things. For sure, is from the DND perspective. Shai, you play Vampire the Masquerade with Vancouver by night is is like, that's correct. I've checked your Twitter. I know that's correct. Yeah. Yeah. You do. So what is it like sort of changing from that system to this system?
Charlene Bayer:Oh, that's a good question. You know, many ways Vampire the Masquerade I find is a lot easier to play. It has a lot of pre learning when it seems very daunting, because there's a lot of lore in the core rulebook that you can kind of just skip over. But as a new player, you might not know. But I love that the system is just detents. And regardless of what you're trying to do, it'll always be the storyteller telling you what two skills you're combining. And that's the amount of dice you roll. And that's all you need to know DND I find the rule set is a bit more complex. Every new class you play can be a huge hurdle to learn. And of course, like the family community is so inspiring and uplifting. I love the family. I'm working with Vancouver by night has been really, really fun. And that's how I got to play with a lot of the greats in ttrpg. Like Matt Mercer and Cynthia Murray, Eric. He will this goes on and it's been a huge, amazing experience. And by the time this comes out, there will be titties by night. tabletop titties channel. This is huge news for you. Please do not publish this episode now. Okay, yeah, by the time this airs, we'll have a whole new world being storytelling by Kelly right. Hmm.
Snyders Return:Wow.
Charlene Bayer:Do you want to speak more about that, Emily? Since you're learning Vancouver, Vampire the Masquerade right now he Yeah,
Emily Matchette:I think it's it's a super interesting system. And I'm excited to have a show that I just can play on. Yeah, not editing it. It's gonna be great. I just, I'm just playing. And I'm very, very excited for those characters that we have been discussing to see where they go and what happens with them. Hmm.
Snyders Return:Wow. So a whole new chunk.
Charlene Bayer:I'm also excited to just play because I now I don't even need to think about plot or anything. Yeah.
Snyders Return:So is that the I want to call it a fifth edition is fifth edition. Isn't Vampire the Masquerade the five or whatever? It is the newest or have you using the older rulesets?
Charlene Bayer:Yes. Yeah. This is an interesting thing. So we are using, we're kind of combining things because the show is going to be taking place in the Victorian era. And there is a specific rule set that comes out in Vampire the Masquerade for these ages, the Dark Ages core book, which Kelly is taking, picking and choosing some assets have that core book, but really we're using v five just for the simplicity in the play structure is so easy to do. Yeah, so we're taking some of the cooler elements from the Dark Ages core book, but sticking with the easy to play the five. sounds really good.
Snyders Return:I'm excited to hear of this, this one, this second show, and the whole new challenge. And this structure you have sort of now I'm trapped into releasing this later in the year, I can delve into your minds a bit more. You've each got commitments, you've got to adoptees, you've got search, or you've got Vancouver by night. So what is it you do for sort of downtime? Do you get downtime to relax in your respective households?
Charlene Bayer:Oh, boy, let me go first for this one, because I know she is a very busy. Yes. Very, very,
Emily Matchette:very, very good. Are you busy. I have very recently, like in the last month or so put a great emphasis on on rest and self care, whether that be reading or just spending more time with my family, just to balance things out a bit. But I find that it is it is nice that I do have an office space at home that I can work at separate from my room or the kitchen table, which has changed recently for me, which is very nice to have that separate area. But downtime itself. I definitely try to make sure that I get it other day. Some days are harder than others. But I try my best.
Charlene Bayer:I feel that and then do you want to talk about your other other jobs that you do?
Emily Matchette:I'm sure I am very lucky to be mostly self employed. My only like set in stone scheduled work that I do is I teach dance on Monday and Friday nights. And that's for my dad's studio. So my dad is my boss for that one. And I'll occasionally sub here and there. But I'm very lucky that I do have lots of self employment opportunities and my personal trainers online. So I work from home and it's pretty nice to do my own scheduling. And then, and then legends as well, which takes up time, but it's all good.
Charlene Bayer:I can feel the stress bubbling up. No, it's fine. Yeah, so for me, I am also very, very busy. I ran a full time podcast called drinking and screaming, which is a Korean feminist horror movie, and cocktail podcast that I run with Kelly right my partner. And then of course, I'm the DM of tabletop titties, which takes up a bunch of my time, of course, Vancouver by night, I'm just a player, that one's really great Saturday nights on Twitch. And then my day job, I work as a for a charity called wava Women Against Violence against women. We are a rape crisis centre. And they've actually this past March by the time this episode has come out launch streaming for survivors, which we're hoping to make an annual thing fingers crossed that we hit our 10k goal of raising some money for survivors of sexual violence. And I'm hoping that I can steer the company into becoming more online fundraiser focused so that I can really combine my love of tabletop role playing and streaming with raising money for survivors.
Snyders Return:Yeah, that's, that's such an amazing cause that you're sort of involved with. Absolutely. If there's, there's anything we can do here. Any links, you want to give us signposting or anything like that, that we can help with, and then please let me know. Absolutely. got off topic there.
Charlene Bayer:Yeah, for sure. I'll give you a donation link to put in the show notes.
Snyders Return:Yeah, absolutely. Please, please. It's the least we can do. Absolutely. We've spoken about your respective shows and all your hard work and things like that. Which is, is it I can feel the energy it is infectious with respect to you. And I keep coming back to this notion of you being a new dm charbon i think it's it's a bit late to start keep calling you that having gone through this first season No, nor the experiences plus. TWITCH commitment. So having stepped up up, which is you know, try not to homebrew everything. But why else would do you offer to? And this is it fair to you as well, me? What advice would you give to new dmws gms people that run games doesn't matter on the system in that respect. And new podcasters people are looking to enter into this sort of tabletop community that we that we are a part of.
Charlene Bayer:Oh, yeah. So big thing. dm wise, just do it. You're gonna be scared you might never feel actually completely ready. It's like having kids. I thought that I have kids but you hear that a lot like you're never ready. have kids, it's never the right time. So just dive, dive on in and be prepared to make mistakes. And my other advice would be that there's a certain level of preparedness that you need to have for your session. But that can be like you can under do it, and you can overdo it. So be ready to just be prepared enough that you can improvise with your players and have a really great time with them to be like not too on the rails, let them influence your story, create that narrative together, I think. And then with podcasting, homeboy, I would stress how much work it is. And you need to be ready for that.
Emily Matchette:Yeah, I think for the the podcasting thing is kind of the same thing. When I was first starting out and doing all my research, I'm like, how do you edit? And how do you do all this? And what do you need, and a lot of what I found was, it's the same thing, you're never really going to feel ready, and your first episodes probably not be the best. But just just just do it. And that's really how I think, like, how my general advice for just about anything is just do it. If you're thinking about it, just try it. And if you don't like it, then you don't have to do it anymore. But like, give it a try.
Charlene Bayer:And like it's it is a learning experience. As you said Emily, like each episode, you'll get better and you'll learn new things and that'll make your future shows better. Don't be afraid and just do your best. Yeah.
Snyders Return:sound advice from the purview and thank you for you for providing that to those who may be considering you know, following in your your step and, and sort of putting their voice their stamp on on the game and games, depending on what they choose to play. So thank you very much. Speaking of games, we discussed at length to a certain degree show your involvement with vampire and now Emily's you're involved with vampire Are there any other games that you would like to play you haven't found time for? Obviously tied up with all of your lives you have going on? Oh.
Emily Matchette:I would love to give like monster of the week. Another shot. I think I played a one monster the week one shot years ago. But I would love to give that one another try. Yeah, that's
Charlene Bayer:a fun one. Pathfinder two is a big name that I still have. I haven't even done a one shot of Yeah, man. That's like a base system that gets used a lot for indie hacks and stuff. So I am familiar with the system itself, but I've never actually played it and that would be really fun. And of course Emily you should talk about legends because I want to play that more.
Emily Matchette:Yeah, yeah. And then there's legends the superhero role playing game which by the time this comes out will hopefully be more well much more on its way to being published or really close to which is the superhero role playing game that my dad and my brother co created over the past three or four years now that I yeah, it's a it's a really fun one the shark did a one shot for with Cali Yeah, and then we That was awesome. Some other stuff coming up with that. I'm going to be jamming a one shot for it coming up and some of the tidies crew have said the homie with a practice around.
Charlene Bayer:What's really cool about Legends is that there's I think, like a hunt does correct me if I'm wrong, but there's like 100 different powers that you can use or over that. Yeah. Like the actual like structure of the system itself is really cool.
Emily Matchette:Yeah, I think there's over those over 100 and then within that are different abilities and things that you can take plus there's also the the customization has been the biggest, like positive feedback from all the play testers is that all the play testers like customization is, is really great. Like you can really make exactly what superhero you want to do. And you want to you want to play as
Snyders Return:nine sounds exciting, and from a game mechanic point of view on doing air quotes at the screen that nobody can see was gesture from the a game mechanic perspective, is a D 20 based system. What was the sort of the backbone of the game itself?
Emily Matchette:Yeah, it's a D 20 based system. And then damage rolls are a little all over the place with depending on what they are. But what I like about it is like d&d, you've got all your skills and your modifiers that are so broken down with like proficiency bonuses, whereas legends has seven skill stats, and you just add the full number. It's not like 15 equals this much modifier and 14 equals this much modifier, whereas like, I know with my character on our podcast, Tracy, if I'm rolling a census contest, I'm adding 15 data formatting from a rolling charisma contest. I'm just adding eight because it's not our best, which I like the simplicity with that is really nice. Yeah.
Snyders Return:Yeah, for sure is all sounds great and exciting I'm expecting to hear and see more good things on on their mind giving us a second run through just in case someone is somehow missed them the first time through or not looked at the show notes. Yeah. Give us the your social links again, please.
Emily Matchette:Yeah, for tabletop titties, you can follow us on social media at tabletop, Teddy's. And that's with two DS for attendees. And our website, right wing hardware. Yes. And our website is www dot tabletop titties.com, which has all of our information and all our links. And that's, I think the easiest way to find us and get to know us.
Snyders Return:Mm hmm. Definitely. So I will, again, make sure that they are listed appropriately and hyperlinked in the description below if people go through the website and things like that. So go and follow and subscribe, and all the other things you can do on social media with respect to tabletop duties, the legends RPG, thank you for buying, we might as well give this sort of moment, because you, the pair of you and my haven't been able to speak to today, you all do such an amazing. It's so great to see what you put out there, get get so much love and attention. And I can only see that being positive and being grown upon as you guys continue to play through and develop and season two's is surely going to be as exceptional, if not more, if that's possible, as season one.
Charlene Bayer:Yeah, they have to deal with that patron. Ooh, boy. Oh, man.
Snyders Return:So yeah, I'm like trying to not give anything away. Okay, so we've touched on a lot of subjects, you know, a little bit about each of you in turn, and your roles, responsibilities, your hobbies, your downtime, your interest and things like that. Your commitments? Is there anything that we haven't touched on that you would like to bring up?
Charlene Bayer:I can't think of anything specifically about you. Sure. Oh, boy. Yeah, that's a tough question. Listen to all my shows that I've definitely created over the next year that this comes out totally. But yeah, no, I think this has been so great. But like, my main thing of the message I hope that you get from this show is to just add more diversity in your life wherever you can. If you play d&d yourself, think about your table and how it looks. And if everybody at the table looks like you try and solve that, because that'll just make everyone have a better time. It'll be way more fun stories. Yeah, diversity, diversity. Yeah,
Snyders Return:definitely. Actually, I do have one question for you, Charles. That's right. Good respect to your own podcast you do with with your partner Kelly, what has been your this might be too tough a question. And I don't mean that. I mean, no disrespect, but what's been your, your best and worst reviews with horror reviews for drinking and screaming? Oh, boy,
Charlene Bayer:that is a tough one. Um, we get a lot of feedback that we ruin Beetlejuice for people. Like it's such a great movie. But when you actually look at what's happening on screen and with the plot, and this has some questionable motives for sure. Which is interesting to see, but people still come back. So take that with a grain of salt. We will ruin movies for you. We warn you in advance. We did I would say we got some negative feedback once for ripping into it chapter two for it's basically trigger warning, queer bashing that happens in it and complete lack of women that actually have a backbone and that show actually have a plot besides being someone's partner or whatever. But yeah, that's what I love about drinking and screaming. I love horror movies. Don't get me wrong. They're my favourite genre of film. But they it's very interesting to analyse them with a queer and feminist lens. See where the industry gets it right and where the industry gets it so wrong.
Snyders Return:It's It's good that someone is casting that is so surely it's only for only a good thing. But Beetlejuice is a little off the wall. Definitely.
Charlene Bayer:Actually, I guess that's something else I could say is that if you're interested in horror at all, we do have a lot of tabletop guests on our show. We've had Dave Walters. Cynthia Murray. Sarah Mayfield is coming on to an episode on season four, she plays wilmar and tabletop duties. And of course, Steve, the storyteller from Vancouver by night isn't been on so I do have a big overlap of my nerd cultures colliding there. So definitely subscribe to it and Of course, legends Emily's show is fucking nerdy as hell and give them some lessons
Snyders Return:to write to write. Again, I will make sure there are links to both shows in the description. So depending on if you're wanting to be educated and horrified, or if you want to be dripping, should we say, we'll have everything covered in the spectrum. So and I can only thank you, the pair of you for, for giving up some time to speak to me today. It's been a, it's been a real treasure, a real treat, to get the chance to speak to you both and have the input from a DM and an editor. And just Reuters,
Charlene Bayer:thank you so much for having us. This has been an amazing opportunity and such a fun conversation. Yeah,
Snyders Return:I'd love to get you back on the show, once you're deeper into season two, and how the other projects you've mentioned, have developed if either both or everybody else wants to come on and join in the group chat as you were,
Charlene Bayer:of course, I'm sure. Definitely our other players would love to come on in the meantime. And yeah, once we're in season two, we'd be so happy to come back for sure. Well,
Snyders Return:thank you both for your time at ACC and I will be sure to keep in contact with you. Awesome. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks for having us. I will one day suss out how to close an interview. We will speak soon. It's been an absolute pleasure. Thank you. Bye. Thanks for listening. If you'd like to learn more about the show, then go to WWW dot Snyder's return.squarespace.com. Alternatively, you can find us over on Twitter. At Return Snyder, you have a link tree link in the description of this episode. And if you want to support us, come and join us over on Patreon. And we also have a Discord server. Please leave us a review because we'd love to learn how to improve the channel and provide better content out for for those who are listening until we until we speak again. Thank you