Hello, and welcome to snows return a tabletop roleplay podcast. My guest today could never get stuck in a rut for the Create careful and bring to life a world full of opportunities, doorways to new ideas, portals to new adventures and openings for the next wave of creators. without needing to press issue like an embolden kobold. My guest inspires through the written word and the fantastical oration. So no matter the manner, it is as broad as it is long, my guest has grasped these opportunities and backs themselves to the hilt as a DM podcaster helping others out of a jam quite recently, community manager and author and here does help us learn which which is which is the incredible Victoria Rogers Victoria, welcome to the show. Wow, that was the Thank you. That was quite the introduction. It's an absolute pleasure to have you here on the show. Victoria, before we go into some of the things I've sort of alluded to more in the introduction than anything else, how did you get into tabletop role playing games?
Victoria Rogers:That was my mom. My mom bought the get the old board game slash RPG called hero quest. And she was the DM and us three kids were the players. And we used to play every Friday. And that was my gateway
Snyders Return:from Hero quest, which is a fantastic game, I have to have to say,
Victoria Rogers:Oh, I backed it when when they for the new version that they did crowdsourcing for I went all in.
Snyders Return:Amazing. So where did how did hero quest lead through to the rest? It was the gateway? Where did Where did the footpath lead on the other side of the gateway?
Victoria Rogers:Well, um, there was that so. So hero quest is what told me these things existed. Because I'm the eldest of three. So I didn't have an older sibling to introduce things to me. I had to go out and search for things myself. So it really fell into a lot of reading a lot of fantasy novels. And then this was pre internet. So my dad said, Hey, guy from work has a BBs where they play Dungeons and Dragons. So like, maybe you could play so I learned how to play Dungeons and Dragons on a BBs. And then the internet came shortly after that. And so I started role playing a lot in chat rooms in of the weary traveller on wb s in particular. I wt Yeah, so I played on there, and then then it was high school time. So then I finally got to meet people who I could actually play. We played a lot of Vampire the Masquerade and fit cyberpunk 2020 because it was the 90s and that's what you played.
Snyders Return:And, and so I mean, that's a couple of different games. We've not even touched on d&d proper yet, as such, you mentioned it and through the BBs and then into these new, different games, not new games, different games, were when did that turn into a more creative output beyond playing the games themselves? When did podcasting starts creeping into your, into your life and your thought process
Victoria Rogers:that would have been in 2017. So quite later in the process, and I wanted to play, I had played a game out of the abyss, the entire campaign at a store. Now, it wasn't the best experience I've ever had interpersonal things. And I wanted to play with other marginalised people at that point. And I wanted to step out of a very male oriented space. And I wanted to be able to just play and not have to worry about topics that I didn't want to have to tackle at the game table. So I found three people who wanted to do it randomly on the internet, in a Facebook group for at the time. At the time, we were all women, but we're Not all women anymore, but at the time we were, and we were in a women's fitness group, and then a women's nerdy fitness group broke off of that. We were the gaming fitness group splinter. And yeah, so I put out a call originally to play edge of the Empire, Star Wars edge of the Empire. And we played a few sessions. And then there was three people that I really enjoyed playing with. And that was B and Kristin and Tracy and said, Hey, do you want to start a podcast? And they said, Yes.
Snyders Return:And so you. So the broadswords was born? Wow. I mean, looking on on the broadswords website, and I'll get some social media links from you in just a moment. But season three, Episode 13 is the most recent one. What's it been like, being in the lives of your group, and sort of carrying this game through from its its early inception, which was the inception, we spoke about just a moment ago through to where we are today?
Victoria Rogers:Oh, it's been a wild ride. I mean, we started this whole thing. Without any preconceptions of what would happen. It was just, oh, let's do this thing. And it was an exciting thing. And this is actually something that we we've discussed recently, because we're very close to the end of this campaign. And it's, you know, been a four year campaign. And that's the longest campaign I've ever been in. So, and for all of us, it's the longest campaign we evolved ever been in. So it's, we went from just Oh, haha, three people will listen to us. But it's something for us to do. And at the time, for all of our different reasons, we were in a place in life where we needed an outlet. And we needed something to do. So that's why the four of us really gravitated towards each other, and towards this project. And now it's a whole different thing to that, which was like a social thing before. And now there's some of my best friends. Whereas I didn't know them before. And we've been creating this story for four years. And now we're just like a daily fixture of each other's lives. So it's, it's been a wild wild ride from just starting a podcast, and then like, six months later, doing stuff with wattsy. And then being invited to pod, pod con being on stage with like, the macro noise, and the Hank and john green and all sorts of just wildly successful podcasters. And we're up on stage with them. And that, that's bananas.
Snyders Return:Before I dive a little more into it, and and ask a few more related questions. The broad sources is such a fantastic show. But before we sort of touch on that, and all your other commitments and all your hard work, where can people find you in the broad sorts are not saying you're mutually you know, the same thing you are, of course your own, your own self and your outputs, your creative outputs, we will touch on shortly. But where can people find you and and everything you're associated with?
Victoria Rogers:Yeah, you can find us on all social platforms as the broadswords. We're across pretty much all of them. How active we are on all of them. That's, that's to be said. That that's that were fairly active. If you ping us, we will get back to you. Yeah, you can find us across all social platforms at the broadswords broadswords calm though, to be honest, that website is so woefully out of date.
Unknown:It needs to be updated.
Victoria Rogers:But yeah, you can find us there.
Snyders Return:And you also have a Patreon so people can come and support you. Oh,
Victoria Rogers:yes, we do have a Patreon. You are so much better at promoting people than I am of my own self. Yeah, you can find us on Patreon at the broadswords
Snyders Return:and you have a series of tiers I was having a look earlier right from I think it's a couple of dollars up to almost a Pay As You Can Afford scheme which I think is is wonderfully structured to help people support you at a level they're comfortable with. They don't feel locked into a specific tier which is which is Yeah, so sort of welcoming in a time of sort of potential financial instability for some
Victoria Rogers:Yes, there's that we want. We wanted to be available. ball for people. But also, it was easy to run, we didn't have to multiple tiers structures and reward, but
Snyders Return:there's nothing wrong with clever thought processes. And so with with the broadswords, being, you know, phenomenally successful, you mentioned yourself about being on stage with some of the biggest names of at the time and still have the sort of the ttrpg podcasting community you've been involved in. While most recently you did. pod jam. Sort of time recording I found was last weekend, this weekend, last weekend, you had an active role. And that was some some more of the sort of fantastic members of the community what it been like to maintain the engagement on the podcasting side. And not just the ttrpg side.
Victoria Rogers:It's been, it's been a lot of fun. The podcasting community has been a wonderfully open community. And they've been very kind to us and to me, and I really enjoy interacting with other podcasters. And the vast majority of people that I interact with on a regular basis from within the scene are podcasters. And because they're the ones that welcomed us in the first place, you know, they're the ones that said, Yeah, let's listen to you, and let's help and support you. And so it's, it's been a wonderful experience, being able to share, because we, we all have that shared common thing. So when we meet up at conventions and stuff like that we we all have tabletop, roleplay. games, and podcasting, it's not just one thing, it's two things. So it provides us with lots to talk about and connect with.
Snyders Return:Hmm, definitely. And with your I don't want to call it work, but your with your commitment to the broadswords. And bringing that that podcast that stories, you know, three seasons time is scheduled the three characters that people have got to know so well, you mentioned it, it's coming to an end. So that's the podcasting side of your time. You seem to have more sides than I've accounted for in this analogy. What else? What are you doing with the TT RPG side of things? Well,
Victoria Rogers:the podcast was my gateway into the tabletop role playing scene. And because before All right, this is this is a little story. I'll try to make it quick. I originally went to university for for classical civilizations, my my focus was ritual on ancient Greek poetry. I finished school just in time for the recession to hit in 2007. That is not a good time to finish up University. Let me tell you, the only job I could get was working at McDonald's as manager and I did that for a couple years. And then and then I moved into retail as an operations coordinator. So it was it was bad. And I wasn't able to because too, I wasn't able to get into stuff right from school, I couldn't get good jobs because my resume was just customer service. So I went back to school for human resources, business, management, human resources. And it was actually right after that, that I started the broadswords up. I had just finished business school and I wanted to see what I could do with it. And I kind of experimented with the broadswords. So the broadswords allowed me to get into working alongside people with Wizards of the Coast, it allowed me to work. I brought me in to be able to work with magpie games. As a GM for them. It allowed me to kind of get into the space as a professional role. 20 it allowed me eventually to work for Renegade Game Studios. And now I'm with cobalt press. So it the podcast flowed into my work life. So now I work within the tabletop RPG industry, which is pretty wonderful. Because that was a goal of mine. Once I realised I had something with the broadsword, so I was like, Hey, I can do something with this. And here I am, and I'm a community manager and that's pretty great. I'm really excited about that. So I do a lot there. And we have a Kickstarter, so if you like fivey and you like player options, go back to home of heroes for fifth edition. There. I plugged it Um, yeah, so there's that. And then for myself personally, and this is just something I do by myself because it's a solo project thing is I write, I've started writing and someone wanted to publish me. And that's pretty swell. So, um, yeah, I've been reading paranormal romance of all things.
Snyders Return:Well, maybe loop back to Kabul press and everything and stay with the writing just for a moment, I have pre ordered your book through Amazon. So it'll arrive on my Kindle when I actually buy a Kindle. But that's not the point. So I will get to read it and the story revolves around. We might as well give a synopsis of your story revolves around Maddie McKinley. Tell us a little bit more about the witch and the stag.
Victoria Rogers:Yeah, I can tell you what the witch in this dag. You know, this is the first time someone has interviewed me about the book. Well, no, this is the second time. But the first one was for a country radio station. So it was very fun. Like, they didn't ask to actually sit down and like ask me big questions. So this is the first time so this is pretty exciting. I have to say, um, okay, so can I tell you about the which in this day, which in this day is about a late 20s young woman named Mattie McKinley. Her last name is named after my favourite, my favourite author. That's where her last name came from. And that's Robin McKinley. And I've been reading Robin McKinley his work since I was about 10 years old. So I'm, I've always named of character after Robin McKinley. And so this was no different only now it's published, and I'm writing a whole series about McKinley women. It's my little Ode to My favourite author. And the book itself is just she's a witch. She's a solitary practitioner, she is from a family of witches, generations of witches. And she has her own little cult store in a small, old historic area of town where it's pedestrian only, it's all blocked off. And she is haunted by a poltergeists. And it turns out, her family has been haunted by this Poltergeist. But because she grew up in Toronto, she didn't grow up with this poltergeists to his location specific to this generic city, North American city I created called serenity. And some people asked me where is serenity located? And I will say, wherever you want it to be. It's wherever it's needed. I will not pinpoint that. Sorry. But yeah, and then in the process, of course, because it's a romance she meets a an attractive individual named Cedric Bligh, which I love that name. It just rings off the tongue, I think. And He is a God bling. He is the son of a god and mortal woman. And so he has some powers and stuff and they, they have a romance as they realise they're both linked historically to this poltergeists, and they have to overcome
Snyders Return:many challenges ahead for Maddie and Cedric. Will the series of books follow? Maddie specifically, you said the Poltergeist is as sort of plagued maybe tormented been a part of the McKinley family's history for a protracted period. Will you just the book flashback to earlier times of the McKinley heritage? Or will you take the story back there? or What was your? Are we just staying with Maddie and Cedric and seeing how their bromance blossoms within this paranormal? Nowhere town? USA.
Victoria Rogers:Yeah, they're each book is going to follow a different couple in history. So the second book is set in the 1980s, the early 1980s, which I had a lot of fun with that I've finished writing the first draft and I have to write the second I have to do the second then get into Edit, but I had a ridiculous amount of fun. I said it in the year I was born 1982. So I'm dating myself here, but that's fine. Um, and I just sat down and listened to a lot of the police and the clash and all sorts of bands from 1982 who are popular with with with the songs on the charts, and I wrote a ridiculous story about a psychic vampire in corporate America. And yeah, so that's the second book is overcoming a psychic vampire Incorporated. Erika as a witch, the third book, it will be set in World War Two. And the fourth book The last in the series will be or at least, at least what I've been contracted for, will be set at the turn of the 20th century.
Snyders Return:So skipping back adventures across the ages, to a certain extent. Sounds exciting. Yeah, definitely. And with each, each new sort of spin on the era. I'm one year your junior, so I've just dated myself there as well. Rock the Casbah. Should I stay, or should I go It doesn't matter. We're here for the podcast. So but that's sort of taking up your your personal time. And you sort of concentrate on working on that and fleshing out the world, not just Maddie McKinley inhabitable the McKinley is, is a lineage, this fan power idea in corporate America has definitely got a smile on my face. Definitely be here as well, to be fair. So we have it sounds like a want to recap, and it's just the amount of work you do. So you've got the broad swords on one hand with a Patreon, the social media and sort of producing the show you have your writing, which is separate to your normal social media account, aren't they? You have two separate accounts, one for your right one for you and one for your or you have a website for your right.
Victoria Rogers:Yeah, I have a website for my writing. And I have an Instagram specifically for my writing. But I keep my Twitter the same.
Snyders Return:For enough. I will make sure there are links in the description below. So please go and follow those links, go and support Victoria. Preorder, or if you're listening later, purchase the book follow the McKinley story through because it sounds riveting. And when I get the chance, I will be reading it. What about what about COBOL? Press you you mentioned the community manager. So for those that understand the Z TT Bart ttrpg community and brands have community managers, what is what is that rolling compass? Oh, dear.
Victoria Rogers:That, um, so my job, I originally I started as the Social Media Manager. And that's what I was brought on to do. And then I they asked me, they're like, hey, do you know anyone who can do customer service? And I said, Well, I mean, I can. So they combined the two jobs, because I was part time before so they combined them. So then I was essentially doing social media stuff and all of the community engagement through social media, plus, I was doing all the customer service side of things and behind the scenes. So just add in some discord servers and things like that. And suddenly I'm a community manager. That's kind of how it happened. They gave me a promotion. And I because I had a proposal of this, these are all the cool things that I can do if I were community manager and had the hours like doing workshops and seminars and and i would organise all of those things and creating a space for our community
Snyders Return:and the fans of cobalt press to to blossom and grow. Absolutely. And what is it that the fans have fivey and and mentioned before an cobalt press one what's what they got that you want to highlight? celebrate what what's what's got the COBOL press community excited at the moment?
Victoria Rogers:Well, everyone, we have the Kickstarter so that everyone's excited about the Kickstarter. And this is we're a couple of presses known for their mid guard setting and all of their mid guard products because we it's it's a large portion of who we are and what we do. But we are now doing a lot more setting neutral products like that was the tome of beasts Toby's to creature Codex, we had vault of magic Kickstarter that was extremely popular is one of our most popular Kickstarter is date. And we're noticing that the setting neutral stuff is getting a lot more interest because more people can use it, you know, so we understand that. And we hear Yes, so we're making it. And tome of Heroes is exciting because all of our previous setting neutral stuff has been for dungeon Master's, this is for players so that there's more players around than there are dungeon masters. So it's getting a lot of excitement. Because we can we bring a bit of that dark fantasy to fivey and that that It is something that is a part of our brand and part of products that we create. But at the same time, we try to Well, it's dark we do try to be inclusive and kind and welcoming everyone to bail is you know, everyone who is kind is allowed to be at our table kind of thing. And we,
Snyders Return:I rambled on you've had a couple of stretch stretch goals, been sort of smashing through some stretch goals. I noticed that on the Kickstarter as well. I'm on social media so we were Yeah,
Victoria Rogers:yeah, we have been kidding. A lot of stretch goals. And I'm just looking at the Kickstarter. Now we are currently a little under $900 away from our next stretch goal. So we're going away.
Snyders Return:So hair folk was one I think it was time back I want to say Time Bandits, but that's that's that's an 80s reference. You've been decades I've been I've been timed. It was the time blade fighter. Type. That's it. Time blade. I knew there was time and a beat. And I knew it wasn't banded, but I was stuck then in a sentence. So what's the next one that you're close to? Or is that
Victoria Rogers:we're very close to the dune Walker and frost fell elf sub races. And then we've got the cat burglar and smuggler roguish archetypes.
Snyders Return:There you go plays if you want that. And hopefully the Kickstarters will be running when you're listening to this but if not going by the book I support cobalt press and see what the amazing work they have. The mudguard setting you've already mentioned Victoria the the generic 5g related stuff and timer Heroes for for players, the warlock setting as well.
Victoria Rogers:Yeah, the warlock is set in midcard Warlock is our Patreon content. And we create like little ziens for our Patreon, which I'm actually you, I'm actually a patron I can get the booklets cuz they don't sell the booklets outside of it. So I want those booklets. They're cute. I like them. Um, and yeah, that's the Patreon it's often midcard specific as well.
Snyders Return:That's, that's fair enough. And there you go. If you can afford to support to Patreon this week, or this month, the broadswords and Warlock for for cobalt press two fantastic opportunities to absorb new material. Sorry, Victor.
Victoria Rogers:Oh, that's okay. I did want to say you probably if you're a big player of ffiv kobold press was the design house to did the rise of tumour and ghost of saltmarsh. So we've created official watse content for them.
Snyders Return:I like that goes to so much. This is why personal personal one of my personal favourites. So with the you mentioned that the season abroad swords coming to an end? Or you can you're going to continue with the ruleset you're going to try something new, maybe some one shots, what's the future the broadswords from from sort of today, and your your vision for the broadswords moving forward?
Victoria Rogers:That is something that we're discussing. We don't have a plan yet. Um, we have in the last four years, had major life events in our lives, and we're not in the same place that we were four years ago. So I'm not saying we're not going to continue the broadswords but how the broadswords continues might change with we've talked about what if we were monthly? What if a season was only 10 episodes? What if we ran an Indiegogo for it to fund it a season or or what have you. These are all things that are still up in the air. We have decided that we wanted to just flop close with this campaign and then see where we're at and see how much bandwidth we all have and what we want to put forward.
Snyders Return:Understand well obviously the wallet is and has been an important part of putting words in your mouth almost. While it's been an important part of your life. There is life behind the show. That affects each each of you individually. So leaving your your friends and colleagues to the to one side not disrespect but focus on yourself. Is is so fivey something you're gonna keep playing Is there a game system that you've seen that you think you know what if I get the chance I'd really love to have a go at it. Or I've seen other people stream or or podcast why and maybe if I can get a quiet home game or or or something like that I can I can have a go out what what games out there beyond d&d fire your imagination.
Victoria Rogers:Oh I love Riot Tama Riot Tama is one of the end golden sky stories those two games are the most adorable heartwarming games I've ever played. I've played Riot Tama twice, and that was with rocket Orca on Twitter. Dammit, damming, and they do a wonderful job, DMA. And I love that game. It's just kind of like a game where you're animate characters wandering around, it's kind of like your like, link, and you're running around Breath of the Wild or something like that. It's so lovely. And Golden's guys stories is same kind of vibe, but it's about children. And it's about just really wholesome vibes, like the last time I played it, we helped the boy get his kite. We then managed to wash grass stains off his clothes. We met his grandpa at the train station, and then we eat dumplings. It was great. It was four hours long. That's all we did. And it was a wonderful, wholesome time.
Snyders Return:It sounds Amber. Rocky Walker, you've mentioned that speaks very funny every year. Thomas, I'm not surprised that the system has been mentioned again. I want to do need to check out myself to be fair. So we've sort of spoken a little bit about different games. And you mentioned their retirement gone skies being being more wholesome, during your time in the broadswords. Has there been a moment where it can be wholesome? Or it can it can be something a bit darker? Are these leaves open to you? Is there has there been a moment that has sort of touched you personally, you've sort of felt the emotion from your players, or you felt the emotion in yourself as the dungeon master. And you thought this is a special moment for yourself? Not necessarily just for the show. But for yourself. Yeah, season one finale was pretty exciting. And the excitement in the broads as they played that, because it was like with a massive army. And they were controlling different areas, parts of the army. And they got so into it. And it was such a long recording because we normally only record for about 45 minutes, generally, maybe an hour. Most of our episodes are shorter, because we wanted people to be able to listen to them on commutes and things like that. But that one was a long one. So we were it was long, and people were getting tired, but everyone was into it. And it was also the first time they as players had played a counter like that. So it was just really satisfying to watch their their own excitement reflected in how they were playing. No, definitely, definitely. And sort of feeling that that sense of wiry excitement, sort of bringing that story to life as you did it. Again, I recommend people do go and follow the links and check out the broadswords your podcast is is fantastic. And I'll try and not mispronounce the characters names may pre hilarious and keela. Sort of bouncing around sigil is what I put down. But it mentions Rashomon on your website. So such a flow of story that that has brought us up to the season three and the current episodes that people should definitely check out. And speaking of checking things out, you did the pod jam recently I mentioned a little earlier about how to promote podcasting, I think was the title. How one How was that and to any any, any advice?
Victoria Rogers:Yeah, it was great. It was wonderful. Nika, Jen and Danielle were wonderful panellists. So it made it very easy for me to moderate. They had plenty of positive and great things to say I didn't have to poke and prod people to talk. They were great. Yeah, promoting a podcast is about finding that community that where your audience resides and for the tabletop RPG world, let's face it, it's often Twitter and then be a member of that community and Remember, in order to be a member, you have to both give and take. You can't just go out there, scream into the void and say, Listen to my podcast and then run away. It doesn't work. People don't like that. They're just screaming at them. You need to interact with them, you need to talk to them. Remember that the people on the other side of those usernames are people just like you, and, and give them time and be kind and encourage them. And I mean, that's what we did. And it seemed to work. So it's what I tend to do whenever I'm promoting anything is I try to focus on the human side of things. Yeah.
Snyders Return:That's great advice and ask you for some advice in a in a little bit. But you mentioned the community and seeing maybe not seeing it, realising there are people behind usernames there are people on the other side of cameras and microphones who want to be included, they don't want to be shouted out. Right. How do you see the the ttrpg community evolving? And moving do? Do you see it becoming more inclusive? And and where is it you would like it to, to continue to move towards?
Victoria Rogers:I mean, I think it's happening, I think it is becoming more inclusive. Unfortunately, as we're seeing, I think just just about everywhere, when you start making moves forward, there are people who are kicking and screaming and don't want to go, and they become become very loud. And they can be hurtful. And I think we're in that stage right now, we're in the temporary tamper says the temper tantrum stage of dragging people into a more inclusive world where they don't necessarily want to be. And that stinks. That's not fun. But I think that's where we are at,
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Victoria Rogers:that's where I think we're at. And it just means that people who are trying to be more inclusive, just need to keep doing it. Eventually, we'll get to the point where they're everyone's over the line, or if they're not, they're not included anymore. They're, they're left to the wayside. And so I think we just need to keep pushing, we need to keep on challenging people's preconceptions. And we need to keep saying, Hey, there are people who exist who aren't the status quo, and we need to include their points of view and their perceptions. And, yeah, we just need to keep going.
Snyders Return:Taking that from the sort of the macro community level down to the micro table level and and sort of approaching you as a DM GM, a game runner, depending on the system use. How do you? How do you make sure you, you build that inclusivity into into your table experience with your players? Or even approaching players on say, discords? or other? How do you bring that inclusivity?
Victoria Rogers:session zero, I'm going to be a big proponent of you need to check in with your players beforehand. I like going over expectations. What are your expectations from this game? What are my expectations of in this game? What are your expectations for this game? But what are your expectations for my other players? What are your expectations from your GM? And then as a GM, what are my expectations of players? And going over that and kind of constructing a social a social contract of how one can treat certain situations? And then you know, lines and veils so a line is something that topic you don't want to see in the game and avail is a topic that can exist in a game, but how about we fade the black kind of situation um, and making sure that those are there and then we can't just set it and forget it. And I think session girl, session zero gets a lot of talk and I'm really really glad that that does but we need to have check ins at your table throughout. So maybe doing roses and thorns after a session. So what is something that you loved? What is something that someone did that you really enjoyed? What is something that you might want to see more of or explore more of having those moments where you're touching base is incredibly important throughout this session we just for the Broadstairs we just recorded on Thursday, and we had a session where we sat down We we chatted for about 20 minutes about our expectations going into essentially the end game of the campaign of like, and we were really talking about player death like Player Character death. And Okay, so what's on the table and what not? What are you comfortable with so that I don't put yourself in a situation especially we are attached to these characters, it's been for four years that we can play with these characters. So what happens if the dice aren't nice? And having those conversations?
Snyders Return:Yeah. Understanding pioneers as you say, is not just playing needs, but everybody's needs at the T one and that decompression of the events it could be of an entire story arc it could be that individual session, it could be a individual scene effectively that has just happened is so important if people need to air grievances or potentially have a bio break and he prays when they come back to the table such a key part of the of the game to keep the bonds and inclusivity there and I mentioned decompression because podcasting Community Manager author published author congratulations and your many other commitments What is it you do to decompress? How do you sort of fight what do you do with your own time that's a common response I get a common response time
Victoria Rogers:I read um, I spend time with my my partner. Whether that's just hanging out listening to records, we listen to a lot of records or playing board games I play a lot of board games. So I'm actually getting a lot better about my free time. I'm I have set aside weekends, I do not work on any projects on the weekends. I've that's that's a new line of boundary I've made weekends or weekends or relaxing time on line. And then evenings are generally when I write because I'm working during the day. And then later in the evening. Wine downtime is usually hanging out with my partner and listening to records and just chatting about the day.
Snyders Return:Sounds good. Sounds good. You mentioned ball games. Is there any particular or current favourite that you and your partner have at the moment?
Victoria Rogers:Um, well, the most common games that we have in our circle, or in our circle, the most common games we're having a rotation is ELO match.
Snyders Return:Okay, yeah.
Victoria Rogers:Love LMS LMS is one of my favourite games. That has been designed by Keith Baker. So if you've ever played ever on, I probably designed ever on Yeah, he it's a card game. It's like gin, or rummy. But with almost a Taro folk vibe. It's really cool. I love it. And then we also play a lot of Lords of waterdeep, which is a Dungeons and Dragons board game played worker placement is a great gateway game, if you want to get people into more a little bit more complicated board games. It's a great gateway game. It's actually the game that got my partner night into board gaming. It was a nice segue. And also we just played last night and we hadn't played it in a while. But I forgot how much fun it is. And we used to play it a lot is gates of delirium, which is kind of like a eldritch game where you have to build gates and summon monsters and things like that.
Snyders Return:Sounds a lot of fun. Sounds a lot of fun. It's good to have a rotation and time with significant others partners, loved ones, and many things. Who are important to Victoria, I, you know, I really love speaking to you and learning so much about you. Is there anything before we close? that we haven't touched on? Anything that you want to bring up just before we close the interview? No, I'm good. But I would like to invite you to plug everything again and remind us where your social media places are, please.
Victoria Rogers:Yeah, you can find the broadswords at the broadswords on all of the social media platforms and you can find me mostly, let's face it, most of the place that I am is Twitter at Mimi mirlo it's from a song lyric that has my name on there. And then if I'm not Mimi mirlo I'm often Mimi Malbec because someone took it so you can find me around around the internet as Mimi mirlo usually, um and you can Find me at Victoria Rogers romance.com. It doesn't have much on there to be honest, because I only have one book. And it's not even out yet. It's out August 27, to all retailers. So check it out.
Snyders Return:Thank you very much. So you can find Victoria Rodgers on Twitter, Instagram, her own website, supporting the book, which is available for preorder through Amazon for your Kindle. today. You can also support the broadswords on Patreon or do your plug in for you, it's fine. And you can of course, support COBOL press by picking up either the mudguard setting or their tone of heroes Kickstarter, which may have expired by the time you hear this, however, pick up the five e system setting agnostic books, I hope I put that in the correct sequence of words, links to made sense to get links to which will be in the description below this podcast Victoria it's been an absolute pleasure getting to meet one of the greats of the ttrpg podcasting community.
Unknown:Thank you. Oh guys, the Great's of the podcasting community. Thank you. That's wonderful.
Snyders Return:It's been a pleasure. I'd love to have you back on the show potentially, when your second book comes out or or other significant releases and projects you may be involved with. I would love to come back. Thank you so much for having me. It's been a pleasure, Victoria. Thank you. Thank you for listening. If you'd like to learn more about the show, then go to WWW dot Snyder's return.squarespace.com. Alternatively, you can find us over on Twitter. At Return Snyder, you have a link tree link in the description of this episode. And if you want to support us, come and join us over on Patreon. And we also have a Discord server. Please leave us a review because we'd love to learn how to improve the channel and provide better content out for for those who are listening until we until we speak again. Thank you