{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Pam","startTime":1.05,"endTime":4.5,"body":"Hey, fellow mathematicians!"},{"speaker":"Pam","startTime":1.05,"endTime":4.5,"body":"Welcome to the podcast where"},{"speaker":"Pam","startTime":4.5,"endTime":7.17,"body":"Math is Figure-Out-Able! I'm"},{"speaker":"Pam","startTime":4.5,"endTime":7.17,"body":"Pam."},{"speaker":"Kim","startTime":7.38,"endTime":8.1,"body":"And I'm Kim."},{"speaker":"Pam","startTime":8.58,"endTime":11.91,"body":"And you found a place where"},{"speaker":"Pam","startTime":8.58,"endTime":11.91,"body":"math is not about memorizing and"},{"speaker":"Pam","startTime":11.91,"endTime":15.33,"body":"mimicking, waiting to be told or"},{"speaker":"Pam","startTime":11.91,"endTime":15.33,"body":"shown what to do. 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