I'm joined by pastor Dan Berkholder to discuss Tucker Carlson's interview with Vladimir Putin, and why it's significant that Putin talked for 30 plus minutes about the history of Russia. Among other things, Tucker said Moscow is a beautiful city, unlike those in America. Why do we tolerate crime and filth in our streets? As it turns out, we might just prefer it.
We also discuss the 'He Gets Us' Super Bowl ads, why Christians prefer badness, and how our woke regime-aligned leaders in the church have sold us out. Christians have a ton of money, but they've spent it in the most worthless, woke places. Why?
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I'm joined by pastor Dan Berkholder to discuss Tucker Carlson's interview with Vladimir Putin, and why it's significant that Putin talked for 30 plus minutes about the history of Russia. Among other things, Tucker said Moscow is a beautiful city, unlike those in America. Why do we tolerate crime and filth in our streets? As it turns out, we might just prefer it.
We also discuss the 'He Gets Us' Super Bowl ads, why Christians prefer badness, and how our woke regime-aligned leaders in the church have sold us out. Christians have a ton of money, but they've spent it in the most worthless, woke places. Why?
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This episode of the Hard Men Podcast is brought to you by Joe Garrisey, with Backwards Planning Financial, by Alpine Gold, by Max D Trailers, by Salt and Strings Butchering and by Private Family Banking. Well, welcome to this episode of the Hard Men Podcast. I am your host, eric Kahn, and I'm joined by one of my favorite pastors. Co-hosts.
Speaker 2:Dan Burkholder, Thank you for having me. By the way, I thought this was a Patreon thing. This is the big show.
Speaker 1:We're in the big leagues man, you got called up to the big leagues yet again.
Speaker 2:Man, I hope that my pay reflects that.
Speaker 1:Oh well, let's not get into the details here. Dan Dan, we've had sort of an eventful week, so we're going to talk about a number of things I want to start with this week Super Bowl, the Super Gable that's literally what it was. One of the things we had from Christendom, shamefully, was the he Gets Us ads. You've seen the he Gets Us ads.
Speaker 1:One of the interesting things this has sort of been the talk of the town on Twitter, on Axe, was that you had the owner of Hobby Lobby funding something like $7 million for these commercials and they were woke. There was a priest watching the feet of some tranny gay dude or something like that. It's interesting because you take the pulse of the Christian camp. It's not necessarily a problem of resources, but where people are spending their money, you know, on something like this pushing really a woke version of Christianity, a borderless woke Christianity. As you think about that and you think about how somebody found the money to spend for Super Bowl commercials, what would be sort of your assessment of? What does that tell you about where a bulk of the church is in America?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think one good barometer is actually architecture. So I know it's something that Christians have long said. You know, we have to be in the strip mall, we have to be in the middle school gym for budgetary reasons, and while many times that is true, there are scores of churches where that is not the case. All you have to do is drive around your town I'm guessing everyone outside of Utah well, we even have this. You can find a mega church in the area. It has a building that probably costs over 10 million way over 10 million dollars to build.
Speaker 2:And you, I've seen accounts on Twitter where they're like hey, this church, watermark Church in Texas, whatever spent you know some ridiculous amount of money on their building to make something that's not very nice looking, and then they contrast it with something that is actually like European Renaissance or, you know, middle ages type of architecture, that it would actually cost less money, that is more beautiful, and so, using that as an example where we often use budgets as a reason to not do certain things, like you know, like architecture or proper ministries or you know, fill in the blank, it actually comes down to something more foundational and that's a principle.
Speaker 2:It's not a budget, or even you know the right people, there's not enough talent, or whatever it is. It's actually a principle that Christians prefer in our time. They prefer what they're producing. If it wasn't the, if they didn't think it was the best thing to do to build these ugly monstrosities of mega churches, to buy commercial space on the Super Bowl, to have you know some lady outside of an abortion mill just saying like, hey, you know, there's grace for this abortion too, without any apparent repentance of sin. It's really a principle they prefer, that they think that is the best. Otherwise they would do it differently. And so it's not about budgets they have plenty of money.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not. It's not about that. It's where they put their money, because they think this is the best thing they can do with their money.
Speaker 1:Well, and you've said this before, I know Brian said it but we actually prefer badness. Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2:We prefer this disgusting preference for badness.
Speaker 1:But it's interesting too. We were talking about this earlier today, but after his interview with Putin, tucker Carlson, I think, was at a UAE forum and was being interviewed about this, and one of the things that he talked about that was most shocking about going to Moscow was he said it's a beautiful city, there's very little crime, there's not trash on the streets, and he said contrast that to American cities, which used to be like that. And he said when you go to American cities like New York, even somewhere in France like Paris, they're disgusting. You go to San Francisco and there's homeless people taking dumps on the sidewalks. And Tucker was talking about how this is actually a reflection of culture. This is a reflection of if you don't want, it actually gets this simple If you want the city to be crime free, then you don't allow crime and you don't allow homeless squatters in your downtown park taking dumps on sidewalks or trash cans. And he said in there which I found really interesting, it's a really interesting principle. He said it's the same reason that my kids, my four kids, aren't smoking marijuana at the dinner table because they simply don't allow that.
Speaker 1:And I think there's something about that with US cities in particular, that they're disgusting and they're gross and this is actually what we're not only allowing but in a way, preferring. At least our societal planners are preferring this, they want this. So in Denver years ago we lived in Colorado and in Denver right now they have this humongous homeless immigrant squatter population in downtown. Okay, and recently the mayor of Denver was like weeping. He was like we're so sad, we need more money to fund the immigrants. They don't care about the American people, but they're allowing this. Yes, you know these, many of them probably criminals. We've seen the records of this. What do you think it is about the West that has gone that direction, while people like Putin are actually seem to be embracing, like old world, eastern Orthodoxy and beauty?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that's an excellent question. One thing that you can point to, and I think we often forget, because we project our perceptions on history so often, and so you look around at your city and you might think, well, it's not very pretty. You know the city itself. Now, I'm not talking about the landscape, because it's very hard to find ugly places in the United States, but if you look at the city itself and you're like it's ugly, it's always been ugly. Why is Europe so beautiful and the United States so ugly?
Speaker 2:There's a account on Twitter. It's called culture critic and he has a series of videos about historic American cities. Well, what did New York look like in the 1930s? What did Boston look like, you know? And it has video, colorized video, of those cities during those times, and you see them and they're unrecognizable, they're absolutely beautiful. Now, accounts similar to this, with a historic architecture. They are showing, you know, essentially the Americanization of Europe, where they're destroying these historic buildings and thus going in the same direction as our modern cities in the United States.
Speaker 2:And so why do I say that? Well, the point is, there's actually something fundamental at work here, and when you have a twisted view of reality, when you have a preference for badness, because you actually don't know what is good, true and beautiful, because those things are all hidden in Christ. And so what we're seeing in our cities and in crime and in the general population, the way people dress, the way people act, the standards for morality and civility, are all reflection of worship. And so you have worship and also legislation right, because those things go hand in hand. And so you see, moscow has retained their beauty.
Speaker 2:In their cities They've retained a certain standard of living, social standards and cultural standards, expectations, because there's still a foundation of Christianity that is assumed, whether you agree with Eastern Orthodoxy or not, that's not really the point but there still is a cultural undergirding of Christianity and they haven't abandoned that yet. And so crime is treated seriously and the cities also reflect the truth, goodness and beauty that's hidden in Christ. I haven't been to Moscow so I'm not speaking of this firsthand, but from what Tucker said, I mean that would track with what my perception is of what's going on in Russia, whereas in America we see we're continually abandoning the standard of Christ.
Speaker 1:Well, it's this globalist, secular nonsense, and I think the lie is that you can change that moral fabric of the American people and not see degradation of culture in cities and stuff like this. This goes to the principle of Henry van Til that culture is religion externalized.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's correct, and so it shouldn't surprise you then when you see affluent Christians that are buying advertisements of the nature of the he gets us during the Super Bowl, because the goal isn't necessarily to get back to a standard baseline of Christianity, it's actually just a small degree of. I accept the way that you live. I want you to be able to relate to this Jesus where you are. Instead of a calling up into repentance, you are going to try to soothe sinners on their way to hell, Because that's the assumption from these people is that there is no underlying foundation of Christianity throughout all of culture. They're not actually embracing the totality of Christ in every aspect of their lives and it shows and so I mean these wealthy Christians are actually just helping this quite honestly disgusting world go to hell and they want to say that they're on your team, but they're cowards. It's actually not true.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's interesting. I retweeted Joe Rigney. Dr Rigney had a really good tweet about this. He said foot washing in the Bible part of Christ commissioning humble Christian leaders. Foot massage in the he gets us ad part of reinforcing the woe hierarchy by identifying who is a special object of affirmation and who isn't. So it was funny a lot of our white boy summer accounts and friends, people like this we're sharing videos where it was like he gets us and it was pictures of like Kyle Rittenhouse, right, the point being like these are not the people that they were drowning in the flood in Genesis, or there were some of those, but it's like nobody's going to say like oh, you know, we need to sympathize with Trump or Gavin.
Speaker 2:McInnes or anybody on the right. Nobody was wearing a mega hat and getting their foot washed.
Speaker 1:A priest wasn't washing, you know, trump's feet, or something like this. Speaking of culture and what the culture produces, first to cultural critic you're right, he did, and I saw this one February 10th or so when he tweeted those.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this one is the 11th. He actually retweeted historic vids. But it's a newsstand in New York City in 1930, colorized, and culture critic said why are there no fat people? It's interesting because all the men have really nice suits on their clean cut. There are no fat people. Women have really nice dresses on almost no immodesty, and there's a trolley car running in the background. It looks like very different than the New York you might find today in these subway Twitter videos. Right, so this is what has been allowed. This is what's actually been cultivated. That's what culture is a cultivation of a certain ethos and moral fabric. But I do find that pretty interesting and really you think about 1930 to today. That's actually not that long ago.
Speaker 2:No, no, it isn't. It's not even 100 years yet, almost.
Speaker 1:That's a pretty tremendous cultural slide.
Speaker 2:And then the other thing I was going to point out I would also assume, just looking at this, the way that people are dressed, the way that they're walking and the way they act they seem to probably share similar values, and you can tell that because of the way someone dresses. Right, if you walk into your local Walmart, you'll be able to identify what someone values by the way they look. And so if you see a woman that has very short shaved head versus a lady in a dress that has long hair and is modest, I mean you can look at them and just what are your eyes telling you? Well, these people probably have different values. A guy that walks in the Walmart and he's wearing like a tucked in polo and slacks, you know, probably looks different than the guy who I saw last night, who his underwear was showing, and I definitely think he was high. So you can tell that within one grocery store, one supermarket, there are people that have radical different values, which does not help a culture.
Speaker 1:No, it's actually really a coming apart.
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Speaker 1:One of the things that I saw also related to the Super Bowl and culture. This was shared by protestia, the account and this was an affront to the living god. This is a church service. There is a lady, pastrix, and she has a chief's jersey on, and then there is the pastor who has a 49ers jersey, and there's a referee who does a coin toss and then she kicks the Bible.
Speaker 2:I saw that, oh my word. I mean it was a pretty good kick for a girl, by the way.
Speaker 1:It had to be rigged. She practiced for a long time, no doubt.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know people that won't put their Bible on the floor and this lady is like kicking a Bible on the stage. I think that's you know.
Speaker 1:So one of the things I've been researching and writing. We've been working on season three of the Kings Hall and some of our great Christian forefathers I was thinking about Jan Sobieski charging the lines at Vienna and this famous charge. When the winged Hussars arrived, I mean let's go, Dan. Yes, and before they go they have mass on the hillside, and the preaching by the friar roused the men to such a stir that their frenetic energy could not be contained. After giving mass, he charged them not only to defend their women and their children but the whole of Christendom. And he told them men, everything hangs on you. God be with you. Now go. And they charge down this hill. The Turks said it looked like a just river of black pitch, 20,000, largest cavalry charge in history coming down the hill. Jan Sobieski, this great Christian hero in the King of Poland, what do you think those guys would say about this crap?
Speaker 2:Well, and they had. They're called the winged Hussars because they wore wings like the angel of death.
Speaker 1:Their nickname was the angels of death.
Speaker 2:I mean come on.
Speaker 1:Let's go. What do you think Like if you, if you just took them fast forward, put them in a time machine and be like, yeah, this is what the West is going to become?
Speaker 2:I don't know what they would say, but I do know that if you don't take yourself seriously, why is anyone else going to take you seriously? It seemed like the winged Hussars probably took themselves quite seriously and their duty I mean their duty not just be in like Stoics, but I mean their duty was they understood what was at stake. These people that are having Super Bowl skits and kicking Bibles on stage don't understand their duties and they don't understand what's at stake. And that's why, again back to the architecture, back to the standards of of our civilization, everything is falling apart and people are still goofing around, not realizing that they're neglecting their duty and they're costing the lives of their people and of their generations. I think that the you know the winged Hussars would be grieved and probably brought to wrath. What do you think, eric?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, it's just so crazy to me it what I want to say about it is it's like looking at two different religions.
Speaker 2:I agree.
Speaker 1:When you look at the faith of our fathers and then what's happening broadly among and really a lot of it is because of the leadership which is just so shoddy, I mean the. I obviously think, as a post-mill guy, that the events described in apocalyptic language in the New Testament, particularly the four Gospels, are describing 8070 in the fall of Jerusalem. However, I think some of those themes always happen when there's judgment coming, and one of them is the rise and fall. Teachers and the love of many will grow cold. And you look at who's leading its ugly ugly, nasty women like Karen Swallow Pryor these are the people who are leading the church and cucked men, something that Stephen Wolfe said.
Speaker 1:I found this really interesting. He said political regimes prefer to appropriate religions, not destroy them, and they prefer to use regime-aligned religionists to undermine and destroy their fellow religionists. The regime controls praise and blame, and so it pours praise on friendlies who then attack regime enemies. I think what you're seeing in America particularly a bit like the Pharisees, where you have evangelical elites and leaders who are so consumed by the love of money and the love of the praise of men that they're willing to align themselves with the regime. That is just despicable and God-hating. So you get guys like Russ Moore and Karen Swallow Pryor, where she's actually defending that which is an abomination to the Lord in the name of defending the Lord, and so you get all these messages. They're just regime-controlled puppets, but they're actually defending globalist narratives, that sort of thing.
Speaker 2:This is the same spirit of the Pharisees when they approached Jesus and they said we know who your father is, or we know who our father is, but who's your father? They're calling him a bastard and calling him out, and they think that they're defending God. Your father is the devil. Yes, yes, but it's the same spirit of that age that Jesus found to be particularly repugnant in the Pharisees.
Speaker 1:Well, and I think one of the things the regime hates is a lot of the work that we've done, we're doing, which is recovering the history of Christendom. And I had some time to reflect on this because of the Tucker interview, back to that with Putin. And it's really interesting to me that Putin began with 40 minutes, 40 solid filibuster minutes, so it seemed about the history of the Russian people. Because Tucker asked him. He said why did you invade Ukraine?
Speaker 1:And then he gives this long history and because we're doing season three and going through the history of Christendom, I immediately was like no, no, no, putin is it. He understands how important history is. I think on this point he's actually kind of a genius. It was impressive to me when he said well, you really got to go back to like the 1800s and then in detail recounted. I mean kings, princes, rules, overthrow. I mean he knows his history. But the way that he views history shapes the way he views the world today and this is why the regime is so set on destroying our fathers and their biographies right, writing them off as villains and crooks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the destruction of statues and monuments to our godly forefathers. Yeah, they're trying to erase history. This is the 1984 play.
Speaker 1:Well, and so what I'm getting at is, I think, one of the most important things that we can do, not to overstate it or to our own horn or any of that, but one of the most important things we can do is recapture the history, because when you read about Jan Sobieski or Richard the Lionheart, the emir's and Saladin like one of their best commanders for the Muslims, saladin said I will not go to war ever again with Richard, and head to head war. He kills us, they destroy our people. When you read about Christian heroes like Richard, it puts a fire in your veins, it puts a zeal in your belly, and that's the regime hates that.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:So, even as we're thinking about everything that we do at New Christian Press Hardman podcast, trying to show people what real men are realizing, this is like 100 percent counter regime narrative. And so that's why you get Karen Swallows. Prior she had tweeted the biblical manhood industry is a scam. I'm like Karen, you're a scam. Begiva is a scam. You guys are like scam. Central Like this is pretty rich actually.
Speaker 1:But I think it goes to Stephen's point they have to do this. They're always going to attack the people who oppose the regime, right, because they're regime players. So one of the principles that I want to flesh out with you now, I think OK, go back to the Putin interview. Putin said the US is the most powerful propaganda engine in the world. They control most of the media in Europe. Even so, the US, but also Europe. They're so dominant in what they do, but so much. What they're promoting is absolute folly, right?
Speaker 1:It seems to me that the primary warfare going on today is information. It's information operations, and so that kind of gets to what we're doing. One of the principles is Jan Sobieski and the shock troop. You know, how is it that you could have a cavalry charge of 20,000? You say that's a lot. There were 200,000 Turks on the ground, turks and Tatars mainly. They were outnumbered badly, but they won because of the way that they fought, right. So I want to think through how do you apply those, that first principle, to the warfare of information and ideas? Right, because we're not, predominantly, we're not lining up in battle in the same way right now. So how would you apply that sort of shock troop mentality to our day?
Speaker 2:Well, eric, in order to answer that question, I really have to go back in time. Do it? No, but seriously, the recent information age, the changes in media, has really given opportunities where there were none. So in the past you had I mean, like when we grew up, grew up I didn't have cable, but I had television and you really had like four channels and that was about it. That's where you got your news, that's where you got your information there was no internet.
Speaker 2:Well, with the advent of the internet and with different media platforms social media and YouTube and things of that nature all of a sudden you have a decentralized media, and so the former power players, who are really controlled by you, know one, really one company and probably one group of people. Anyway, all of a sudden there are weaknesses because they don't control all of the information. And so I think one of the reasons that Karen Swallow Pryor is now attacking masculinity when she has been, but with that tweet, you know, masculinity is a scam, this masculinity industry or whatever she said, biblical masculinity industry, oh, okay is because it's actually making problems for them. It's making problems when people have to address Christian nationalism. There's a, you know, washington DC viewing of the Christian nationalism, anti-christian nationalism documentary. You should look at those things and say, okay, yeah, they're maneuvering, they're positioning this, is moving the pieces on, you know, on the on the chessboard, but what they're doing is they're actually having to take in an account this decentralized media that is actually influencing people, because you'll also have noticed that, as time has gone on, one of the lowest trust industries is media. I mean, people don't trust the news, they don't trust the government, the information that they're providing.
Speaker 2:2020 really put the nail on the coffin for that, and so I say that because there is more opportunity now than there ever has been for waging a propaganda war, if you will, and that's, in a way, we're doing that. It's not false, we're not leading people astray, but it is an information war, and so there's more opportunity now than ever before. And one of the principles that I think is really important to understand is relentless pursuit, because so relentless, relentless pursuit is usually a very quick attack when people are retreating. Okay, and I really do think that that's happening is that you have media giants, you know superstars and media that are now on the ropes.
Speaker 2:Really, with Tucker, I mean his show on on X, on Twitter, it's getting. I mean, when I looked at the Putin interview it had been I think it had been six hours or something like that it was like 148 million views, something ridiculous like that. I could recall the number wrong. I don't know what it's at now, but I don't think that any of the major news media platforms are getting that. I don't know what the Super Bowl viewership was, but I doubt it's more than the Tucker Carlson and Putin interview.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so what did you say? Tucker was.
Speaker 2:I thought it was 148 million, but it might have been 48 million.
Speaker 1:Interview viewers.
Speaker 2:I didn't know I was going to be on a podcast talking about the view count. So about the 11, 8 times Really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a good question. Within the first hour it had 20 million. Oh okay, super Bowl was 123.4.
Speaker 2:123.4, Tucker.
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Speaker 2:So I mean the point stands. So the Tucker Carlson Vladimir Putin interview has had more views, vastly more watched, than the Super Bowl, than the Super Bowl which was gay, and you could even say like, oh, that's only a difference of you know, it's only, like you know, a 35% difference. That's 70 million views. That's 70 million, that's a lot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a lot, a lot. That was a two hour interview too, yeah.
Speaker 2:People care about that. Yeah, they do care about it. So my point is you actually have to be able to view things rightly. So the reason that people are punching back at some of these quote unquote fringe ideologies or far right conspiracies is because they're actually taking root, because they're finding fertile ground and now they're on the ropes. Quite honestly, they want to maintain the appearance of power. You know, they want to maintain the appearance of strength, but the reality is we're actually winning. It doesn't feel like it. It doesn't feel like it right now, but we're actually winning.
Speaker 2:I can see our podcast downloads. I can see, you know, twitter interactions and things like that. You know, pastor Brian Sauvay made a point the other day. He said when we first started this thing, we were going. You know, we were interacting with a lot of the Gospel Coalition guys and stuff like that. They're no longer on Twitter, but both you you know Eric and Brian have more Twitter followers than they did when we started this thing. Oh yeah, than many of them, and so you can see that this is actually. This is working.
Speaker 2:So, because of the low trust that people have in the media, what is really taken over for good or bad is that you have influencers have really taken the spotlight as people that you look to for advice. When I look for health advice, at one time, believe it or not, I would look at medical journals, I would look at medical papers, I would look at university studies and now I mean I still look at, like Andrew Huberman, but there are different guys on Twitter and on YouTube that I would take their advice before a lot of these medical professionals. Why? Because I don't trust the medical professionals at all and at least these YouTube guys probably don't have huge budgets from some big pharma company that's getting them to you know, to say some sort of narrative. You have to be suspicious either way and not trust wholesale.
Speaker 2:But really that does give opportunity for Godly men to rise up and to take this idea that you can bring the fight to these big globalist conglomerates. Like you can actually do it and win in a lot of ways. Your mobility and not having any hooks in you from different corporations or from, you know, different government agencies gives you a lot of freedom. What are they going to do to you, especially if you have limited debt, if you don't have a corporate job or things like that? What are they going to do to you? What are they going to do to Eric when they're like hey, eric, we don't like this narrative, like whoever this, whoever is saying they don't like the narrative, you need to stop or else we're going to fire you, like well, what are they going to do?
Speaker 1:We're going to ban you from the Big Eva conference tour.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, they could take you off of X, I guess.
Speaker 1:But I think even that with with Tucker, the reason it's such a big deal is, well, number one Elon is really smart. Not Fox News, not CNN, not MSNBC, but Tucker is now on Elon Musk's X, yes, getting all those views on his platform. But it took some stones from Elon to say I'm going to allow this. I'm going to allow because in the past that's not what happened on Twitter. But I think now, especially because you have guys like Tucker saying it, the wake and the birth behind him is much broader for people like us and so seeing it as a windfall in that way, because they're probably going to go after Tucker before they would go after Well, right, but even if this is the beauty of things like social media if they cancel Eric Kahn from Twitter, guess what?
Speaker 2:Eric Kahn's brand yeah, I know you don't have a brand, but your, your platform, will grow, because it's a solinsky principle is that you polarize and you make your opponent address you and you become a peer, and so if somebody with a bigger platform addresses you, you share a platform.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you rise to the level of the entity that canceled you.
Speaker 2:That's correct. Yeah, so if you get canceled on X all of a sudden, that's a big deal. That becomes a big deal.
Speaker 1:Well, and Ted Goya on Substack. We've been following him or I have for a little while here in Ren. I think had had written some stuff about this, but Ted has some really interesting thoughts about legacy media and how it's dying, and he was noting how, like, his sub stack has more viewers than a lot of the major news networks too, wow, and that's that's really astounding. But you're right, that shift is there. Getting back to the principle, though, of pursuit. So one of the places that we found this in the King's Hall, of course, encourage everybody. If you're not, if you're not listening to that, what are you doing with your life?
Speaker 1:But we recently had an episode on King Alfred and one of the battles they have their big battle at Ashton, of course they win against the Danes, but then later battles they lose. They actually won the first skirmish, but they didn't pursue, and so the Vikings would regroup and then attack them and then they would lose. Very similar thing with Stonewall Jackson, the Battle of Manassas. They defeat the Union Army, and Stonewall said to the generals and to Jeff Davis we need to march on DC right now. It's this principle of pursuit, like winning fast and quick If you're the smaller force, you're not going to win a really long drawn out process.
Speaker 1:So my question for you, dan apply the principle of pursuit.
Speaker 1:Maybe at social media I'm going to attempt to apply it. Well, in terms of what would be a bad application, oh, okay, I think one of the things that can happen with guys like ourselves you build a platform, you get a little bit of recognition, notoriety, people start looking to you, and so you change your message and you tone it down because, oh, you know, suddenly the daily wire or blaze or somebody like that is calling and you could get their money, you could get a bigger platform. But it means that you have to change the message. You have to stop being quite so incendiary, right, and going on the attack the way that you do. And so I think one of the things is maintaining your integrity in your voice and what you're saying. You know, not giving into the sort of the pressure of larger institutions who want to buy you off, because this is actually what Google did for many, many years. They'd have upstart competitors and they wouldn't feel threatened by them, they would just buy them, they would buy them out and then they're not that company anymore.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Facebook did the same thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So I think for a lot of us it just means you've got to keep fighting the fight, even after you've had initial success, and you've got to keep hammering the message home unashamedly. I thought it was interesting Tucker, again interview with Putin, shows up on X. It's a major win to even get that interview. It's a major win to even have accomplished that thing. And he could have come out afterwards and sort of either backtracked or just saw a pedal and been like yeah, you know, it was a good interview. Blah, blah, blah. I'm not really going to wade into the sharks, I'm just going to let it stand on its own, let it ride, whatever that interview with the UAE, I mean, he came out all guns blazing.
Speaker 1:They were like you know, you interview Putin. He seems like he's a pretty together guy. Compare that to you know Joe Biden. And he's like we have a guy in office who has dementia, is senile and cannot put two sentences together. It is an embarrassment to the nation, it's an embarrassment to the world and it shows that our government and our country is being run by other entities. And I was like holy smokes. In the same interview he said he's like they said why are you only now interviewing Putin? And he said well, I tried for three years with the NSA and the CIA. Cia tapped my phone and then forbid me from going and doing it.
Speaker 1:I mean, talk about drawing the target on your back, but he's not backing down. I think that's an example of pursuit. He's continuing to drop the hammer on these issues. And so I think for us it's the same thing. Like don't lose the salt just because oh yeah, you know your platform grows a little bit. You win all these people with a certain ethos. Well, don't change it. Yeah, you have to keep the same ethos.
Speaker 2:Right, that's one of the ways we've talked about this. Institutions die, ministries dies, because courage attracts men.
Speaker 1:They're started by courageous men.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're started by courageous men that do take astronomical risks and are successful. And then at some point the scales tip and the risk meter and they go. I don't want to lose. I don't want to risk losing what I've already gained, and so I'm going to soften the message. You would be like going to the casino and you're like all in on red and it hits and you just do this a couple of times and then you're like let's do some penny slots, you know which. If you do that at the casino, that might be a good strategy. I'm not advocating for gambling, but in an institution where you have good principles, like you, have to continue the pursuit.
Speaker 1:Well, this was even something in the acts 29 rise and fall of Mars Hill. That was kind of illuminating to me that groups like acts 29, when they were successful in growing it was run by a lot of sort of wild west gunslinger types, young men with passion and zeal. Yeah, they made mistakes, whatever. And then at some point it got handed over to the like the lady bureaucracy of managerial types. And look at it now it's like a in a death spiral and I think that's what you're.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, and quite honestly, I hadn't really considered it before, but there are challenges. Once you get to a certain size, administration, because of government regulations and just because of organizational complexities, becomes really difficult for guys essentially like us to manage all of those moving parts. And so the temptation is like I don't get it and you start handing off authority to other people because you don't want to do the work, and that could be a good thing. It could be a bad thing, depending on how you manage. But that is what I'm saying is that you get to a certain size and it becomes so complex and you risk losing everything. If you, for example let's say New Chris and Impress gets to the size where, all of a sudden, you know Harman podcast is bringing in $50 million a year, a month, a month.
Speaker 3:Yeah, $50 million a month.
Speaker 2:And some big institution comes after you and you have the choice. Do I respond with my principles, what I think straight up. I'm just going to go full Alex Jones on this person, or in risk losing your platform, risk being lost on Patreon and Buzz, Sprout and you know whatever. You know streaming services that we use because we use those things we have to, and risk losing it all. Well, man, maybe it'd be easy just to let it go, to not respond, and you slowly lose credibility over time because you used to be willing to fight those fights but nobody's seen you fight a fight in a long time, getting pretty long in the tooth. And there are other men that are actually worth following, because men follow courage, not titles. Right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think also, as men get older, this is particularly true. Like PCA, world SPC, you get older, you're established in your church and if you're going to make waves, it's like, well, I might lose my pension, I might lose my benefits, I might lose my standing. Let me ask you this, dan, at a personal level how do you keep the fire burning so that you can keep your foot on the gas? Like, how do you, how do you guard yourself against that instinct to let off the gas, make it easy coast, play it safe, etc.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I haven't had this temptation because I haven't experienced success. That would actually cost something, you know, but if I was giving advice to someone, oh, by the way, if I would really like to try the test of $50 million a month just to see if. I have the what was that famous quote that few men will pass.
Speaker 1:Wealth is a test that most men will not pass.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So one of the yeah, I guess if I was giving advice to a guy like, let's say, a guy like Tucker, who's experienced tremendous success, especially since he's left Fox News. I mean amazing success, I'm sure if it continues after a while, there's a couple of things that great on you. It's not just the money, it's not just the platform. It is actually exhausting. I know Alex Jones. I joked earlier about Alex Jones. I'm not a huge Alex Jones fan, as in like I watch a lot of his stuff. But he said in that I saw him in the Tucker Carlson interview and he said he's really tired.
Speaker 1:Like had like a mental breakdown kind of.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, and the thing is, when you're at the front lines for so long, because it's a, it's a war in which you'll never die of a wound, right, you're not going to get killed Like you would in the front lines of battle, there's no reprieve, there's no like oh, I'm injured, I'm out of the fight for a minute while I heal. You're just, it's all mental, and so I think it's really important to rest. I think it's really important to rest. I think it's also important to understand that as influence grows, as respectability grows, as your platform grows, your, the expectations will grow for what you do. Like your responsibilities grow, you'll have more work. There's no shortage of work. The number of projects that we could pursue in any given week is without number. I mean, we have too many idea people.
Speaker 1:We have to practice the discipline of doing less.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, and so one of the things I would say is is advice that that actually, eric, you gave to me a long time ago, which is to concentrate the flow. You know, if your work is like water going through a hose, you should really concentrate the flow to make it more powerful. So that is, exercising the nose and knowing what to say yes to it makes your yeses more powerful because you're putting your full weight behind that. One of the temptations of guys this is just guys in general is that there are going to be a lot of shiny objects. We've all done this. If you've had a hobby at all, you've done this. So all of a sudden, you're like I have no interest in golf whatsoever. Somebody invites you out to the driving range and golf is now like your thing. You're watching YouTube videos.
Speaker 1:you're buying your money.
Speaker 2:You got to buy new clubs, yep, yep, and you do it for like a summer and you realize, wow, I'm really bad at golf and this is really hard. And then, all of a sudden you're like you know what? I haven't done it in a long time Fished and it's like your new thing and that's how we we operate a lot of times is when we meet resistance, and so when you whether you're successful or not this is a temptation, but especially when you're successful, because it can actually dilute your successes, and so I think it's really important to stay on principle and really be strict with your nose. The other thing, too, is is to be a man of principle, just in general, know what you exist to do. That's really important. This is what I want to do for the next 50 years. If I accomplish this, my life will be a success. Answering that question is really important. It's really important for every man, platform or not.
Speaker 2:You have responsibilities. You should know what those responsibilities entail. You should discover your duties and you should execute them well, because then a lot of us had this impending sense. It's like being at a company, being an employee and having a boss. That's kind of laissez-faire and you never know where you stand. Your job is not very well-defined, the boundaries aren't very well-defined, you don't have any measurables. You have your yearly performance review and you go into it and you're like I could be fired or I could get a raise. I have no idea. That is not good. That is not good Not knowing where you stand. But the thing is, you do it to yourself as well by not knowing what your duties are, not understanding what your principles are, not knowing why you're here, why do you exist? When you do that to yourself, you're always going to have a vague sense of failure, because you don't even know how you measure up according to your own standard, and so I think that's really important. I've gotten off the topic a little bit.
Speaker 1:That's helpful. I think some of it too. You mentioned like concentration of force, focusing. So. We've even done things within the company and said what are we really good at? Let's focus on that, not try to do a million things at once In warfare.
Speaker 1:This would be like not opening two fronts of warfare at the same time. In knowing I'll take breaks from Twitter and it's really for the sake of saying I don't want to be in like a Taylor Swift Twitter meltdown every week. I have people to pastor, we have a business, entities that we're working on, podcasts, et cetera, and so a wise military leader is not going to attack every day. All the time. You have to pick your spots, you have to know what's important. And then the other thing I would say is just having friends and peers in much counsel, wise where warfare is waged, and it's just important.
Speaker 1:I think this is one of the things that, like our friendship, that's helped because you're not like you don't have like a huge Twitter platform, like you're looking at things from a different angle Me personally, you personally, right, and so I think having guys around you who keep you grounded one of the things that's helpful in a tribe of men, like in the basement here. You know, brian Ben, you me, you really, when you hang out with guys who know your faults and who are going to pick at them if you act like an idiot, that's actually really helpful. Yeah, it's one of the few environments I've been in in my life where you can't really be flattered because you know, like the other week I preached and I was like, you know, you get done with it. There's a sense of relief. You'll make a quip like, wow, that was yeah, that seemed like it went okay. Yeah, I guess next time we'll get you a platform, since we can't see your face over the top of the pulpit and you're like, okay, you know, it prevents you from taking yourself too seriously.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and there's something too, that it's actually like your friends putting on armor for you in a way. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Just like a protective thing. One thing that I think was urban Meyer. You always tell Tim Tebow and Tim would repeat it. But he said don't believe the press clippings about yourself, and part of it is it's never as good as you think and it's never as bad as you think. Yeah, so trying to bring yourself back to sort of an even keel position. No, there's.
Speaker 2:one of the things that I immediately thought of when you asked the question was it's important to have your tribe. There's safety within the tribe, because you go out and you're in this media war, you're in this battle or you're just like trying to do a good job for your family. You know you're trying to provide, you're trying to be a good churchman in your church and you're going to be hit by the enemy at some point and you're going to get worn down and it's really important to have other men that are there to make fun of you so that you feel encouraged. But seriously, that is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and also I'll say this like, because we're so involved with the church here, there's a great deal of people who aren't on Twitter and don't care. Yeah, and that's actually really humbling and good too, because you'll be like you almost get obsessed with the stuff that you're fighting every day and then you'll be like, oh yeah, like I was on Twitter. I was talking to another pastor friend. I was like, oh yeah, I was on Twitter. This thing blew up and he was like oh cool, so you've done anything fun lately, like not rude, but just like that doesn't. I don't follow it, I don't really care at all. Or even if they agree with you, yeah, that's true, I agree with you. So what else is new? And that humbles you. It keeps you grounded in the things that really matter.
Speaker 1:Final thing I'll say I think Tucker was wise on this. In the UAE interview. I've heard him say this before. They were like Tucker, have you seen your ratings? And he's like oh, I don't look at those. The guy asked him. He said did you see what Hillary Clinton said about you? And he said no, she's a clown. I don't listen to those people. He said I'm really not on social media. I have people for that. But that also is a protection, right. Yeah, like not being a. I call it like weather watching. Yeah, not reading the polls every day and just saying that's not leadership. If you're watching the polls to figure out what you should do, like being deep in study season three, king's Hall has been really good for that Like study, read, do your homework, focus on those things and almost just have an attitude about it's like, yeah, people are idiots, that's normal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, one other thing that I think people should think through, because I think the assumption when we talk about waging the cultural warfare, whatever is, immediately people think social media and that is a battlefront. But I would challenge you to think through what Eric just said about studying, about reading, about being thinking men, about reading the times. The best way to know the times is to know history. Yeah, it really is, because I mean, nothing that we're seeing is that unique. It's happened before. You think sexual immorality, debauchery, transgenderism, like all of this. Maybe the surgeries are new, but the sins aren't new. This has happened before. So studying history helps you to know the times and then thinking through creating legacy type of works.
Speaker 1:Which include, I would argue include our people, yes, our sons, our wives.
Speaker 2:First and foremost, yes.
Speaker 1:The men that we're discipling here locally. They are our legacy. Yes, more than podcasts or whatever, if anything, we're doing the podcast to help feed those people and to inspire them in the work. So, yeah, I think that's really helpful. Dan, I really appreciate you joining me for this episode of the podcast. We appreciate, of course, all of our listeners. If you're not already, we would ask you to consider joining and partnering with us by signing off for Patreon. You can join for as little as $5 a month. That goes a long way to supporting this work and the work we're doing at New Christendom Press. We're excited for all of our new patrons. We've had quite a few, dan, with Kings Hall. Hanuk Cosmos is growing, and so is the Hard man podcast. So we appreciate all of our listeners and until next time, stay frosty, fight the good fight, act like men. And so we appreciate all of our listeners. And until next time, stay frosty, fight the good fight. Ez.