Let Them be Naked Pt 1, what to know about fast fashion toxins with Emmy Award Winner Jeff Garner

In this two part episode of E.S.Now, we are with Jeff Garner, an Emmy Award winning fashion designer and documentary filmmaker who is about to release his feature film Let them Be Naked on Amazon Prime worldwide.  In his twenty years of design, he has done extensive research and testing on different types of popular fabrics and has found disturbing levels of carcinogenic chemicals.  Catch part two of this episode in two weeks. 

Let Them Be Naked is an audacious exploration into the presence of toxic and often harmful chemicals in the fabrics and materials used in our everyday clothing. Since his mother’s death from breast cancer, designer and activist Jeff Garner has spearheaded a campaign to uncover the health implications of exposure to these chemicals and the urgent need for more ethical production of garments. His advocacy has created relationships with research organizations and innovators across the globe, all leading the conversation surrounding unregulated toxins in the fashion industry.

www.letthembenaked.com

Transcript

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Courtney Barriger: Let's talk about your documentary, and what initially sparked your interest in investigating toxins and clothing and textiles.

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jeffreygarner: Wow! Investigating. I like that word. Um.

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jeffreygarner: I think it was more or less a journey of 22 years. I've been doing this so.

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jeffreygarner: I kept trying to figure out what.

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jeffreygarner: How to make this available to others, and to bring awareness to a platform that actually could reach people.

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jeffreygarner: Because doing catwalk shows around the world and talking about it. And Ted talks that get buried and.

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jeffreygarner: You know, all this stuff doesn't really.

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jeffreygarner: Get the weirdness out. And it's funny.

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jeffreygarner: This. We launched the film this year in the Film Festival Circuit. And now.

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jeffreygarner: You know I can count on my hand. How many people now are talking about the connection between what you wear and how it affects your health.

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jeffreygarner: Which, you know, wasn't talked about at all before we started with the film. So I love seeing what's happening. However, that's happening. You know whether people are.

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jeffreygarner: This scene, or it. It's becoming a tagline. I don't know but it's great, but.

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jeffreygarner: Yeah, I, I.

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jeffreygarner: Just knew. Basically, my mom passed.

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jeffreygarner: Of breast cancer, and when she passed.

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jeffreygarner: I was like, Okay, Jeff, try to.

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jeffreygarner: You have to figure this out no more. Catwalk shows no more speaking engagements.

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jeffreygarner: How do you get this out there? And so the only platform I figured out is documentary.

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jeffreygarner: Didn't realize how hard that was, which was kind of funny. Everyone's like, Yeah, Jeff, go do a dock, have fun.

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jeffreygarner: And then I had friends that are in the industry, like.

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jeffreygarner: Hey? I want to do this, do that. And they're like, pat me on the back. Okay, yeah. Good luck, Jeff.

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jeffreygarner: And literally, and this isn't to speak like Oh, look at how I pulled it together! But literally I got the funding in a week.

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jeffreygarner: Went to filming the next month.

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jeffreygarner: Filmed around the world.

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jeffreygarner: Because I already knew all this stuff already. Had the friends already had the experts. So I just said, Hey, listen. I'm coming to see you next week. They're like, Okay, and.

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jeffreygarner: So, yeah, we put it together with.

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jeffreygarner: In a year. Frame timeframe.

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jeffreygarner: Which is unheard of. So, because every day in my book every day counts. Every day a mom is affected every day. A person.

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jeffreygarner: Unbeknown to them, is being affected.

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jeffreygarner: And even today an article released on the finally and my toxicologist, I talked in the.

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jeffreygarner: Being in the film was like had, no, you know he's like.

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jeffreygarner: And you know he's 1 of the top toxicologists in Tennessee, and you know he's in like emergency room stuff.

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jeffreygarner: And he's like, Yeah, I haven't really thought about this. And then. Now, all he's doing is thinking about it. Anyways, there's an article released today about.

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jeffreygarner: Pfabs connected to.

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jeffreygarner: Um. You know, health issues, etc, mainly for gut stuff.

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jeffreygarner: And everyone just thought I was like a kook or something like just talking about this. And oh, it doesn't have a.

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jeffreygarner: Medical degree or whatever, even though I'm a science background, a chemist background. But anyways.

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jeffreygarner: So it's it's I love seeing how it's connecting now. So.

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Courtney Barriger: It seems you're not kidding, though. Um, since you did the small release around mother's day. That's when I watched your film.

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Courtney Barriger: I have also seen an uptick in Conversations, and.

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Courtney Barriger: Even in my book tour people are like, Wait, what did you just say about.

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Courtney Barriger: Toxicology for me in the past. I don't. I don't know why, but nobody cared.

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Courtney Barriger: So I think that it's just amazing that you were the absolute, perfect person.

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Courtney Barriger: To pull this off. Um, yeah.

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jeffreygarner: Well are the craziest person. I don't know which one, but.

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jeffreygarner: You know I have lived this and breathe it, and all that to say is that I've seen so many players in this in our space right.

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jeffreygarner: And I know you got a book out, you know. Similar content and.

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jeffreygarner: That what you run into is is these.

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jeffreygarner: For some reason, you know these egos and everyone's striving to find a voice or have a voice, or this is our platform. And and now with the Instagram model, it's like how many likes and how much energy can I.

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jeffreygarner: You know, because they're trying to monetize that.

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jeffreygarner: That medium. And it's like.

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jeffreygarner: You know one thing I'm a hippie. I don't care about money to.

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jeffreygarner: You know that's never been my reasoning to do any anything.

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jeffreygarner: So I used to be part of this group called the Eco Warrior.

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jeffreygarner: S. And one dude, or something like that I can't remember. But I was like a guy amongst all these ladies in sustainability.

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jeffreygarner: Queens I call them, and.

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jeffreygarner: They couldn't get along, and because they are different agendas, and this and that, and the other.

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jeffreygarner: And I realized really quickly, it takes community.

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jeffreygarner: To get this, to go.

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jeffreygarner: To shift and change. It's not one person, it's not one agenda, it's not one project, you know. And so the idea with the film was to have it be like, it's almost like a Calvary charge. It's like, Okay.

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jeffreygarner: I'm going to drive the, you know. I'm going to angle it and drive it straight down the center.

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jeffreygarner: If everyone get behind the film all these experts, everyone, you know, if we we would have met, I would have had you in it as well, and like.

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jeffreygarner: All these experts trying to do similar things, get behind and push.

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jeffreygarner: Then we can break through, you know, because each individually, we're only going to get so far, and then.

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jeffreygarner: You know, and I've been doing this so long. I've seen people start and then now they're.

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jeffreygarner: Done. They're out of the business, or they're doing something completely opposite, out of sustainability. You know.

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jeffreygarner: And we all know those people, and they get because it's it's frustrating. When you try to passionately work on something and.

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jeffreygarner: You don't see the shift or change happen so.

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jeffreygarner: Anyways, that's my hope for this film, and it may happen in our lifetime, or maybe not, but at least it exists.

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jeffreygarner: And people have the awareness.

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jeffreygarner: And yeah, and hopefully.

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jeffreygarner: You know we can drive it forward.

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Courtney Barriger: I think it stands a very, very good chance. Um.

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Courtney Barriger: I mean.

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Courtney Barriger: Look, it's in the best position possible.

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Courtney Barriger: Out of everything that I've seen, and I've only been here, you know, in this world, and.

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Courtney Barriger: The eco world for 10 years, and I've been mostly doing it behind the scenes.

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Courtney Barriger: Like, Oh, my God, it's gonna happen this is it.

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Courtney Barriger: So. So I think that.

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Courtney Barriger: It's funny describing it as like an arrow or a Calvary. I always thought of it as an arrow, but a Calvary charge. Now that is everyone, because everyone's with you.

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jeffreygarner: Boy.

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jeffreygarner: Well, that's it. It's it's like, think about it. It's like an arrow that pierces the center, and then you can route.

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jeffreygarner: You know everyone up, but you gotta break through um.

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jeffreygarner: A great visual analogy which most people may or may not seen. There's a film called Patriot, with Mel Gibson long, long time ago.

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jeffreygarner: And I'm obviously a little bit older than you. But there's a great scene in there where obviously New America, New America is rebellion, and against the British, and they're winning this battle.

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jeffreygarner: And everyone's retreating, and everyone's chaotic, and nobody knows what's going on. And Mel.

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jeffreygarner: Sees the American flag that's ripped apart, falling, and fell down the flag bearer.

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jeffreygarner: He runs without hesitation. Everyone's retreating.

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jeffreygarner: Picks up the flag, starts running forward.

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jeffreygarner: And people are like confused like. Wait a minute.

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jeffreygarner: Seems like we're retreating. But the spike's going forward.

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jeffreygarner: So I guess we turn around and we'll start fighting. And what happened was he changed, you know whether it was true to history or not, but it. It changed the directory of the battle.

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jeffreygarner: In which they move forward as a unit, as a group.

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jeffreygarner: And and they won and outflanked the British.

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jeffreygarner: And so to me. That's, you know, if we can keep this flag up long enough and drive it forward.

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jeffreygarner: We will break through because we're dealing with science. Peer reviewed research. We're dealing with humans.

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jeffreygarner: You know, and their own bodies, that we lived once right.

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jeffreygarner: We got to take care of our own health. We're living with.

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jeffreygarner: You know spiritual connection to, to fabric and.

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jeffreygarner: And soil, and dyes, and.

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jeffreygarner: I just think the human consciousness.

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jeffreygarner: If we can hold it, hold the space long enough.

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jeffreygarner: And and just equip everyone. We can bring back the power of choice to consumers, and they'll choose better.

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jeffreygarner: For themselves, not everyone, because we're dealing, not with just awareness. We're dealing with addiction. Right? People are addicted to.

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jeffreygarner: Convenience, fast fashion, cheap price points.

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jeffreygarner: And I and I always educate everyone on this, because I know you're in the space of um.

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jeffreygarner: You know, eco, or sustainability. However, you want to word it.

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jeffreygarner: Yeah, I've been in the space of of fashion, design, and sustainability. And one of the things we struggle and deal with is people like, oh, you guys are too costly, too expensive. That's great, Jeff, but you're talking to the elitist. I'm like.

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jeffreygarner: Guys, I'm a country boy. I grew up in the South and afar. I'm not an elitist. What I am is practical.

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jeffreygarner: I cannot grow this hemp and make it anymore in the Us. I have to.

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jeffreygarner: Bring it in from Canada or other places. We're trying to New Zealand. We're growing.

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jeffreygarner: I go. This fabric is the is the like perfect fabric. It's antibacterial antifungal.

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jeffreygarner: Strongest tensile strength. I go. You want definitely want to wear this over, polyester, and you have to look at it like.

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jeffreygarner: You're gonna avoid paying all these hospital bills.

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jeffreygarner: And let's talk about impotence.

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jeffreygarner: And let's talk about your absorption rate of these.

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jeffreygarner: Chemicals, and what it does in your bloodstream.

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jeffreygarner: And if that's not good enough, let's talk about how your body fatigues, because it's not getting oxygen in it, because it blocks it's non permeable.

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jeffreygarner: And then, if you're playing a sport or out in the sun, whatever you get tired and fatigued, I go.

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jeffreygarner: That alone, and you're buying sport drinks to like, pump up your energy, caffeine, to pump up your energy, these pills to pump up your energy.

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jeffreygarner: You can save a lot of money wearing my hemp, T-shirt.

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jeffreygarner: Over that, you know.

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jeffreygarner: Piece of shit. Sorry, polyester, you know, shirt that's gonna fall apart, and it's called design obsolescence, where they teach.

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jeffreygarner: Designers and and or producers, manufacturers how to sew up garments so that they fall apart.

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jeffreygarner: So it drives the consumer back into the store.

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jeffreygarner: And it's a common practice. And you, if you're in fashion, you know this, you know, stitches, you know that single stitch is going to fall apart underneath the armpit because of anything with pressure.

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jeffreygarner: You know that pulls at it.

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jeffreygarner: Um. And these are things that the regular consumer doesn't quite understand or get. And so.

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jeffreygarner: All that to say is that my hemp is.

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jeffreygarner: $10 yard versus. Well, actually, it's more now because of other things. But $14 a yard versus $1 yard.

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jeffreygarner: You're never, ever, ever, gonna have a t-shirt to match.

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jeffreygarner: The cheap price point of fast fashion made in China made of synthetics, and it will we can't compete.

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jeffreygarner: And if anyone tries they're not doing it properly. And so somebody's paying for that cheap price point. And it's not.

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jeffreygarner: It's not you, and it's usually the people making it. So everyone knows about fair wages, fair trade.

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jeffreygarner: All that stuff. It's all been kind of shown.

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jeffreygarner: Around the world. But you know I'm talking about, hey? These are cheap, cheap, cheap ingredients.

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jeffreygarner: How does it affect your health? Because it goes on, your body goes in your body. And so that's what I'm about. I'm focused on that one narrative, because.

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Courtney Barriger: Mhm.

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jeffreygarner: My hemp. T-shirts are 40, 45 bucks a piece. There's no way but James Pierce is $80. There's no reason.

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jeffreygarner: Because they're they may be cotton, but they're dyed synthetically.

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jeffreygarner: They're not made better than mine. I guarantee that.

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jeffreygarner: Um, and you know.

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jeffreygarner: Mine are a better fit, but you know no, I'm kidding um.

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jeffreygarner: But all that to say is that there's no reason his is 80 versus other than the name marketing right?

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jeffreygarner: But my true price point to sell them is 40, 45. And that's just the way my hemp Boxers are. The same way.

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jeffreygarner: Um. So that's the one thing that we're up against. But if we can get more people.

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jeffreygarner: Know about this. Want to change their wardrobe. Go into natural fibers, natural dyes, then it'll help drive.

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jeffreygarner: The price point down, because that volume obviously will help.

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jeffreygarner: And then, you know, the guys making the hemp will be able to grow more.

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jeffreygarner: Um, we'll be able to bring more sewing into. Let's say the Us.

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jeffreygarner: Our local sewing practices, etc. So.

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jeffreygarner: Yeah. So it's like cart before the horse right.

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Courtney Barriger: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love actually that you're speaking to men directly to the.

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Courtney Barriger: The sustainability. Space is.

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Courtney Barriger: So directed toward women generally. So um.

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Courtney Barriger: I know. If more men knew about.

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Courtney Barriger: Fatigue happening because of their clothes.

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Courtney Barriger: Come on!

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jeffreygarner: Yeah. But we could. We get our our balding?

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Courtney Barriger: It's. It's a, yeah.

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jeffreygarner: You want to talk about the nylon trucker caps.

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jeffreygarner: That kill the hair follicles. We can talk about that.

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jeffreygarner: Sun hits it, goes straight into the hair, follicles.

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jeffreygarner: So obviously, I don't have a problem with balding.

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jeffreygarner: I did cut. I did cut my hair for lacks of love. It's now kind of shorter.

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jeffreygarner: Kind of crazy.

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Courtney Barriger: Did you? Really? It must have been.

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jeffreygarner: Yeah, it was long. You gotta do 11 inches for lots of love. That's for the cancer patients. I did that for our film. And my mom. But.

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Courtney Barriger: And Samuel.

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jeffreygarner: Anyways. But yeah, so yeah, that's true.

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jeffreygarner: So it does create baldness as well.

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Courtney Barriger: Wow it. It's sort of.

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Courtney Barriger: Like bringing awareness to um.

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Courtney Barriger: Do you know the ingredients that go into a big Mac.

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Courtney Barriger: And when finally people started to understand the difference of quality, of food.

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Courtney Barriger: They, I mean, they immediately understand that they should be eating.

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Courtney Barriger: Organic, or at least trying, that you can actually solve disease by eating.

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Courtney Barriger: Healthy food.

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jeffreygarner: Yeah.

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Courtney Barriger: So I want to talk a little bit about your.

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Courtney Barriger: Experience with um.

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Courtney Barriger: The chemistry and toxicology. And and were you doing that before the documentary? Were you? Were you also.

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Courtney Barriger: Um testing fabrics and.

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Courtney Barriger: Seeing what was in them.

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jeffreygarner: Are you asking? I was. I kind of geeking out, not sleeping at night. Yes.

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Courtney Barriger: Yeah.

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jeffreygarner: Yes, I I'm framed that way. My.

01:28:50.000 --> 01:28:57.000
jeffreygarner: Just to give you some background I like. Again. I grew up on the farm in Tennessee. My grandfather was the 1st chemist Oppenheimer, hired for the Manhattan Project.

01:28:57.000 --> 01:29:03.000
jeffreygarner: So, and most people know because of the film like they think about. You know New Mexico. But the other.

01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:06.000
jeffreygarner: Place was in Oak Ridge, Tennessee, up in the mountains.

01:29:06.000 --> 01:29:09.000
jeffreygarner: So they they basically learn how to. You know.

01:29:10.000 --> 01:29:13.000
jeffreygarner: They created the fuel there, and the bomb at the other place. So.

01:29:13.000 --> 01:29:20.000
jeffreygarner: My grandpa was awesome growing up with, because we just played in his basement, and I was his right hand, Guy, and.

01:29:20.000 --> 01:29:23.000
jeffreygarner: We made things, and you know, engines and.

01:29:23.000 --> 01:29:31.000
jeffreygarner: Built my own go-kart and built a house, and by hand, and anyways, fun stuff like that. And electronics.

01:29:29.000 --> 01:29:31.000
Courtney Barriger: Like a dream. Childhood.

01:29:31.000 --> 01:29:34.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah, we'd build radios and talk to each other. It was fun.

01:29:34.000 --> 01:29:42.000
jeffreygarner: Anyways. So he he was brilliant, smart, and I guess I inherited his kind of disposition of how to analyze things and create and problem, solve.

01:29:42.000 --> 01:29:53.000
jeffreygarner: So that's what I did in this. You know, I had a full ride to West Point Academy nuclear arms program. I said, no way, and I want to use my brain for this. So like, I love figuring out colors for dives and.

01:29:53.000 --> 01:29:55.000
jeffreygarner: You know that kind of thing. So.

01:29:55.000 --> 01:29:58.000
jeffreygarner: So, yeah, so I, yeah, I kinda.

01:29:59.000 --> 01:30:04.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah, challenge, you know. And there. And here's the thing. These studies that are.

01:30:04.000 --> 01:30:08.000
jeffreygarner: You know they have to be financed. It's expensive to.

01:30:08.000 --> 01:30:12.000
jeffreygarner: For us to do the testing, for example, of the the brawls that we did for the film.

01:30:12.000 --> 01:30:15.000
jeffreygarner: It was about $2,500, just for.

01:30:15.000 --> 01:30:20.000
jeffreygarner: Doing like 3 or 4 different chemicals, so like, whether we tested formaldehyde, nonphenol.

01:30:21.000 --> 01:30:28.000
jeffreygarner: Whatever we're testing, it costs that much. So imagine if you, as a consumer, have a bra that you want to test, make sure it's clean.

01:30:29.000 --> 01:30:34.000
jeffreygarner: One. You got to find a lab that will do it for you, because usually it's it's for the industry.

01:30:35.000 --> 01:30:37.000
jeffreygarner: So it had to be independent. Lab.

01:30:37.000 --> 01:30:42.000
jeffreygarner: And then 2. It'll take you probably 3 to 4 weeks to get the results back.

01:30:42.000 --> 01:30:45.000
jeffreygarner: And it will be about 2,500 bucks. So.

01:30:45.000 --> 01:30:47.000
jeffreygarner: No one's gonna do that.

01:30:47.000 --> 01:30:49.000
jeffreygarner: Um.

01:30:49.000 --> 01:30:51.000
jeffreygarner: And and they were, you know.

01:30:51.000 --> 01:30:57.000
jeffreygarner: Uh, and I don't know how to say this properly, but I will just say it simply those.

01:30:57.000 --> 01:31:00.000
jeffreygarner: Those lab businesses are kind of built for.

01:31:01.000 --> 01:31:08.000
jeffreygarner: I mean, not content. They are built for who the client is. A client is a is industry based.

01:31:08.000 --> 01:31:10.000
jeffreygarner: Who wants to get these products.

01:31:10.000 --> 01:31:16.000
jeffreygarner: You know, cleared. So they're going to give them the results. They they want more or less, and if they don't, they.

01:31:16.000 --> 01:31:20.000
jeffreygarner: The client just won't share those other results, you see. So.

01:31:20.000 --> 01:31:25.000
jeffreygarner: The problem we're dealing with, and you know, is that it's none of it's regulated. There's no.

01:31:26.000 --> 01:31:28.000
jeffreygarner: Regulation. There's there's no.

01:31:29.000 --> 01:31:31.000
jeffreygarner: Accountability, system.

01:31:31.000 --> 01:31:33.000
jeffreygarner: So the reality is, we don't really.

01:31:34.000 --> 01:31:37.000
jeffreygarner: Know what's in it, and even if it's tested or certified.

01:31:37.000 --> 01:31:42.000
jeffreygarner: Did somebody actually spend that money and test the end result? Product? The answer is, no.

01:31:43.000 --> 01:31:45.000
Courtney Barriger: Mhm, also, trail. Yeah, wow.

01:31:44.000 --> 01:31:49.000
jeffreygarner: So. So so then everyone asks, well, how do you know Jeff is like, well, you really need to know who's making the product.

01:31:49.000 --> 01:31:57.000
jeffreygarner: And trust them and know them. So you know that you can see I'm doing my plant-based dyes, and you can see what my fabrics are.

01:31:57.000 --> 01:32:04.000
jeffreygarner: So you're gonna know that mine are are clean, you know. But if a company is claiming certain things, and it may be a mixed.

01:32:04.000 --> 01:32:09.000
jeffreygarner: Fabric, or maybe the manufacture in India. You don't know about their dyes, so.

01:32:10.000 --> 01:32:20.000
jeffreygarner: That's that's that's why we need some type of accountability to take place. So consumers can feel safe buying a product unless they want to go down the rabbit hole and become.

01:32:20.000 --> 01:32:28.000
jeffreygarner: Like a Macgyver and investigate and figure this stuff out, and that's the that that face in a nutshell.

01:32:28.000 --> 01:32:38.000
jeffreygarner: Is why we've never heard about this. It's why there's there is no regulations, because the manpower it take, and why these companies been been able to get away with it forever and ever and ever.

01:32:38.000 --> 01:32:42.000
jeffreygarner: Because, in my opinion, it's a liability issue, and it's um.

01:32:42.000 --> 01:32:44.000
jeffreygarner: You know, it's a public health issue.

01:32:44.000 --> 01:32:49.000
jeffreygarner: Because if you if you were my my, you know, sister, let's say.

01:32:49.000 --> 01:32:57.000
jeffreygarner: I would, I would definitely, you know, want to make sure you knew what was in your bra and your shirt. You're wearing your hair product like the whole thing.

01:32:58.000 --> 01:33:05.000
jeffreygarner: And um, I'd want to take care of you. And it's it's not that consciousness doesn't exist in our industry.

01:33:05.000 --> 01:33:11.000
jeffreygarner: You know. Unfortunately, it's commerce driven, and and that's it, and I but I do.

01:33:12.000 --> 01:33:15.000
jeffreygarner: I'll leave the comment with this. It can be done.

01:33:16.000 --> 01:33:23.000
jeffreygarner: So that's why, in the documentary mentioned, we bring into play people that are doing it and doing it properly in a in a scalable way.

01:33:23.000 --> 01:33:30.000
jeffreygarner: You know. And and that's that's why I wanted to make sure the documentary wasn't just about okay. Here's the problem.

01:33:30.000 --> 01:33:36.000
jeffreygarner: Let me spook everyone and then make them feel bad and shameful. And no, it's not about that. It's about. Here's a discovery.

01:33:36.000 --> 01:33:42.000
jeffreygarner: You know, here's what we've worked on forever. Here's what I've been able to do, and generally on this journey for others.

01:33:42.000 --> 01:33:45.000
jeffreygarner: That are doing it as well. And these different levels.

01:33:45.000 --> 01:33:49.000
jeffreygarner: And it's hopeful. It's reassuring that we can.

01:33:49.000 --> 01:33:51.000
jeffreygarner: Can move in this direction.

01:33:51.000 --> 01:33:53.000
Courtney Barriger: What are some of the visions that.

01:33:53.000 --> 01:34:01.000
Courtney Barriger: You have, or that you've talked to. You know, industry leaders about to implement some of the some of the accountability.

01:34:01.000 --> 01:34:06.000
jeffreygarner: You know, with the doc, because, like I said, it's kind of like it helps with the Calvary charge.

01:34:07.000 --> 01:34:10.000
jeffreygarner: Because they know it's going to get out there in the world, and they can't stop it.

01:34:11.000 --> 01:34:13.000
jeffreygarner: Lawmakers now are looking at it.

01:34:13.000 --> 01:34:18.000
jeffreygarner: As a liability issue. So they're like, Hmm, we need to make some policy changes right now.

01:34:19.000 --> 01:34:24.000
jeffreygarner: Before it gets out, and and you know, and then people start getting upset.

01:34:24.000 --> 01:34:31.000
jeffreygarner: So we're already seeing that happening in the UK. Especially Toronto, New York, and La.

01:34:31.000 --> 01:34:41.000
jeffreygarner: So you know that to me we had that happen over Christmas, and we showed the film to a group of lawmakers in the Uk, and they came out of the box and said, Listen, we were.

01:34:42.000 --> 01:34:45.000
jeffreygarner: We're presenting a bill about environmental stuff.

01:34:45.000 --> 01:34:49.000
jeffreygarner: You know, hair products, this and that, and they're like we never, ever thought about clothing.

01:34:49.000 --> 01:34:51.000
jeffreygarner: Until we saw your Doc and read the book.

01:34:52.000 --> 01:34:54.000
jeffreygarner: Can you help us draft it? So I helped them draft.

01:34:54.000 --> 01:34:58.000
jeffreygarner: And add an addendum to the bill to cover what we're wearing.

01:34:58.000 --> 01:35:02.000
jeffreygarner: And so it was the 1st of its kind presented to the Uk Parliament.

01:35:02.000 --> 01:35:08.000
jeffreygarner: And yeah, so it's that that is amazing. Because then once you bring it to.

01:35:08.000 --> 01:35:14.000
jeffreygarner: That place of law and policy that people realize. Oh, this is a real, tangible issue.

01:35:14.000 --> 01:35:16.000
jeffreygarner: This is not just hearsay or.

01:35:16.000 --> 01:35:22.000
jeffreygarner: You know again, somebody trying to get followers on account or something. This is like this is real.

01:35:22.000 --> 01:35:30.000
jeffreygarner: And that's why they know I'm not going to back down or stop. Because I'm doing this for my mom. I'm doing it for my hippie dad, who also lost to cancer. I'm doing it for.

01:35:30.000 --> 01:35:37.000
jeffreygarner: All the people. I lost a daughter as well, like all the people that we all know, that have had effects.

01:35:38.000 --> 01:35:41.000
jeffreygarner: Um sad effects in our life because of.

01:35:41.000 --> 01:35:47.000
jeffreygarner: These unknown diseases, so we don't know where they come from. Exactly. And you mentioned the food industry earlier, like.

01:35:47.000 --> 01:35:49.000
jeffreygarner: We get the food thing. But.

01:35:50.000 --> 01:35:51.000
jeffreygarner: If you look at biology.

01:35:52.000 --> 01:35:58.000
jeffreygarner: Is, basically, we have mechanisms designed to protect us from food. Right? We have esophagus. We have a mouth with.

01:35:59.000 --> 01:36:04.000
jeffreygarner: We have the stomach acid. We have kidneys, we have liver, and we have things that protect us.

01:36:06.000 --> 01:36:10.000
jeffreygarner: Skin. We have nothing. You and I were both designed to be new all the time.

01:36:11.000 --> 01:36:14.000
jeffreygarner: So our skin obviously absorbs, breathes.

01:36:14.000 --> 01:36:17.000
jeffreygarner: And take things in. And so what you find is that.

01:36:17.000 --> 01:36:22.000
jeffreygarner: In this peer review research with the 37% is that it goes through the hair follicles.

01:36:24.000 --> 01:36:26.000
jeffreygarner: So that's if you're sitting still in a.

01:36:26.000 --> 01:36:29.000
jeffreygarner: You know a cool area. If you're in a humid area, it's.

01:36:29.000 --> 01:36:32.000
jeffreygarner: More. So if you're working out more. So.

01:36:32.000 --> 01:36:38.000
jeffreygarner: So the reality is, we don't really know how much we're taking in, but we are taking it in.

01:36:38.000 --> 01:36:44.000
jeffreygarner: And we are. We do know that it it off gasses, and it does. Doesn't just stay on the garment.

01:36:44.000 --> 01:36:49.000
jeffreygarner: You know you could just do a test of your own laundry water.

01:36:49.000 --> 01:36:52.000
jeffreygarner: And know what's in it, so that.

01:36:52.000 --> 01:36:54.000
jeffreygarner: Is going into your system as well.

01:36:54.000 --> 01:36:57.000
jeffreygarner: And that's the whole point of this is that we can.

01:36:58.000 --> 01:37:01.000
jeffreygarner: Just get people to understand that one idea.

01:37:01.000 --> 01:37:08.000
jeffreygarner: Then they're going to change their detergents. They're going to change their bra or take off their bra. They're going to change their underwear.

01:37:08.000 --> 01:37:13.000
jeffreygarner: And they're cheating. Those are my things. I say, okay, start here. Don't be overwhelmed. Focus.

01:37:13.000 --> 01:37:15.000
jeffreygarner: Start here.

01:37:15.000 --> 01:37:20.000
Courtney Barriger: What are some of the biggest chemicals that they should be looking out for? And.

01:37:21.000 --> 01:37:23.000
Courtney Barriger: How do they know?

01:37:23.000 --> 01:37:25.000
Courtney Barriger: How do they know how to spot it?

01:37:25.000 --> 01:37:27.000
Courtney Barriger: How do they know how to avoid it?

01:37:25.000 --> 01:37:33.000
jeffreygarner: I call this a chemical name game. So it's a funny, funny game the industry does, and.

01:37:34.000 --> 01:37:39.000
jeffreygarner: Again. These guys are brilliant. They've been doing this for so long. They, the chemical industry is like.

01:37:39.000 --> 01:37:42.000
jeffreygarner: One company is like 75 billion a year in profit like.

01:37:43.000 --> 01:37:46.000
jeffreygarner: There's no way we can compete, outmaneuver, outsmart, outpr them.

01:37:47.000 --> 01:37:51.000
jeffreygarner: So they'll change the name of a chemical that we gets in the headlines like pfabs. For example.

01:37:52.000 --> 01:37:54.000
jeffreygarner: They already got 10 others already introduced.

01:37:55.000 --> 01:37:57.000
jeffreygarner: That do the same thing are just as bad.

01:37:58.000 --> 01:38:01.000
jeffreygarner: But we'll get pfabs off the chart off the off the map.

01:38:01.000 --> 01:38:04.000
jeffreygarner: But then, what about these new ones? Then we have to do it again.

01:38:05.000 --> 01:38:08.000
jeffreygarner: You know, it's like when they started they had this hair product that was like.

01:38:08.000 --> 01:38:11.000
jeffreygarner: All the ladies were using. It was like dry shampoo.

01:38:12.000 --> 01:38:20.000
jeffreygarner: And it, and you know about it because it was a big thing and it got sued and they won blah blah. They introduced it back on the market with a different name.

01:38:20.000 --> 01:38:24.000
jeffreygarner: You know, and that's the game that they play.

01:38:20.000 --> 01:38:21.000
Courtney Barriger: Hmm.

01:38:24.000 --> 01:38:30.000
jeffreygarner: Unfortunately, and they have the power and the leverage and the and they pay off lawmakers, etc. We all know this world.

01:38:30.000 --> 01:38:33.000
jeffreygarner: And it exists so.

01:38:34.000 --> 01:38:39.000
jeffreygarner: What consumers can do is, you know, basically, they can just be thoughtful and conscious.

01:38:40.000 --> 01:38:44.000
jeffreygarner: I mean, I just stick to natural fibers natural dyes. It's that simple.

01:38:44.000 --> 01:38:49.000
jeffreygarner: Don't even try to venture down that road of these man-made fabrications and dies.

01:38:49.000 --> 01:38:55.000
jeffreygarner: Because if they're men made, it's just. It's a play, a marking of saying it's natural.

01:38:55.000 --> 01:38:59.000
jeffreygarner: You know, if they say it's it's cellulose, based.

01:38:59.000 --> 01:39:01.000
jeffreygarner: Okay, what does that mean?

01:39:01.000 --> 01:39:03.000
Courtney Barriger: Mhm.

01:39:01.000 --> 01:39:09.000
jeffreygarner: You know the ingredient. The rest of the ingredients aren't pure. It's like saying it's organic chicken. And then you look, and it's another ingredients.

01:39:09.000 --> 01:39:15.000
jeffreygarner: Are not right. It's that whole kind of play to get you in the door, and then you'll buy, and then not look at the rest.

01:39:15.000 --> 01:39:19.000
jeffreygarner: Um. But if you're sincere about it, you just need to know.

01:39:20.000 --> 01:39:30.000
jeffreygarner: You know, and the thing is, we consume way too much. So if you kind of slow down your buying power, say, okay, I'm going to go home tonight. Look at my wardrobe after I listen to this. Think Jeff's crazy, but let me look.

01:39:30.000 --> 01:39:32.000
jeffreygarner: And everyone does this. And I've shown the film.

01:39:33.000 --> 01:39:35.000
jeffreygarner: When the film festivals last year we have.

01:39:35.000 --> 01:39:37.000
jeffreygarner: 16 awards on it right now, and I'm.

01:39:37.000 --> 01:39:43.000
jeffreygarner: Listen. We probably done. We did, I think, 18 film festivals. So I did. Went to all of them Q&A's etc.

01:39:43.000 --> 01:39:52.000
jeffreygarner: Which is great study, I mean in Zurich. We had like 30 scientists there, and Glasgow. They were like ready to burn it all down. They were so angry.

01:39:52.000 --> 01:39:56.000
jeffreygarner: You know that they didn't know about this. It was cool to get the different responses.

01:39:57.000 --> 01:40:04.000
jeffreygarner: Um. But all the questions go back to, and everyone came back to me and said, Listen. I went through my wardrobe, and I had.

01:40:04.000 --> 01:40:07.000
jeffreygarner: Maybe 10% natural fibers in my wardrobe.

01:40:08.000 --> 01:40:13.000
jeffreygarner: And they didn't know about the die, so we didn't even go there. But chances are they weren't naturally died right.

01:40:13.000 --> 01:40:16.000
jeffreygarner: But they found at least 10% of the order was natural fibers.

01:40:17.000 --> 01:40:19.000
jeffreygarner: That's not a good ratio.

01:40:19.000 --> 01:40:21.000
jeffreygarner: And so.

01:40:21.000 --> 01:40:27.000
jeffreygarner: A lot of them said, Okay, I'm gonna what do I do with the clothes? I'm like, well, you somebody's gonna wear them, because not everyone's gonna.

01:40:27.000 --> 01:40:34.000
jeffreygarner: Want this lifestyle, so you can let them use them. We've made enough clothes already in the world to clo everyone.

01:40:34.000 --> 01:40:38.000
jeffreygarner: For like the next 5,100 years. So we don't need to make anything else.

01:40:39.000 --> 01:40:44.000
jeffreygarner: So, or you can incinerate clothing, it takes it back to its natural form. That's the other way of doing it.

01:40:44.000 --> 01:40:50.000
jeffreygarner: But senderators are expensive. Um! But you know there are companies I won't name names that.

01:40:50.000 --> 01:40:55.000
jeffreygarner: Do their new inventory and incinerate it so nobody will use it, and it won't be discounted.

01:40:55.000 --> 01:41:00.000
jeffreygarner: And that's another thing that a lot of people don't know in the fashion industry. But it's the dirty secret, and they all do it.

01:41:01.000 --> 01:41:08.000
jeffreygarner: Helps their bottom line. Then they write it off, get a tax break. We didn't put that in the film, because that's a whole nother thing, but that is another issue.

01:41:08.000 --> 01:41:13.000
jeffreygarner: Um so back to like. So the idea is, you go through wardrobe.

01:41:13.000 --> 01:41:20.000
jeffreygarner: And 10%. And then you're like, okay, well, let's start replacing it. Well, just do due diligence. At that point you're starting over. It's like.

01:41:21.000 --> 01:41:26.000
jeffreygarner: You know, you went through a bad breakup relationship. Well, you're going to do due diligence next time you're going to go.

01:41:26.000 --> 01:41:31.000
jeffreygarner: I call it 3 cups of tea. You want to go out to out to 3 cups of tea before you decide to date. Someone.

01:41:31.000 --> 01:41:33.000
jeffreygarner: After 3 cups of tea, you'll know.

01:41:34.000 --> 01:41:40.000
jeffreygarner: What they're about. They're going to tell you. Everyone shares it same thing with the industry and the companies and the people pitching stuff.

01:41:40.000 --> 01:41:43.000
jeffreygarner: Don't, don't you know? Jump in the sock within the 1st state.

01:41:43.000 --> 01:41:49.000
jeffreygarner: There's something off. Everyone's going to be their best. The shiny pitch it, the great go behind the scenes. See what.

01:41:49.000 --> 01:41:53.000
jeffreygarner: See what else is there? If they can't answer your questions, and chances are.

01:41:54.000 --> 01:42:01.000
jeffreygarner: You know, if you say, Hey, is this plant-based? And they come back like, Oh, we use water-based, you know less. Da da, da, then you're like, okay.

01:42:01.000 --> 01:42:04.000
jeffreygarner: It's not plant-based. I cannot purchase that.

01:42:04.000 --> 01:42:09.000
jeffreygarner: But you can say, Hey, do you have any undyed product? And is it bleach free.

01:42:09.000 --> 01:42:13.000
jeffreygarner: And then you can buy that and diet yourself. So there are solutions.

01:42:13.000 --> 01:42:18.000
jeffreygarner: But it's just people don't care enough right now to ask those questions. Why are they gonna do it?

01:42:19.000 --> 01:42:21.000
jeffreygarner: And that's the thing.

01:42:22.000 --> 01:42:24.000
Courtney Barriger: Gotta scare them into it.

01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:26.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah.

01:42:26.000 --> 01:42:29.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah, so.

01:42:31.000 --> 01:42:33.000
Courtney Barriger: Wow!

01:42:33.000 --> 01:42:35.000
jeffreygarner: Sorry I talk a lot.

01:42:34.000 --> 01:42:36.000
Courtney Barriger: No, no, it's a lot to think about. It's a.

01:42:35.000 --> 01:42:38.000
jeffreygarner: But I'm I'm yeah. I'm passionate about it, as you can tell.

01:42:39.000 --> 01:42:43.000
Courtney Barriger: It's a lot to to think about. Um.

01:42:43.000 --> 01:42:45.000
Courtney Barriger: It's just unfortunate, because.

01:42:46.000 --> 01:42:55.000
Courtney Barriger: Most clothing, even if it is, you know, hemp or linen or something. Chances are it doesn't say if it's naturally dyed, or any kind of.

01:42:55.000 --> 01:43:05.000
Courtney Barriger: Marker about where the dye came from, or what country even even did the dyeing. I mean, I know that there's a lot of chemicals that we can't use in the States that.

01:43:05.000 --> 01:43:10.000
Courtney Barriger: You can use in Bangladesh and India, or you know, wherever um.

01:43:08.000 --> 01:43:10.000
jeffreygarner: Sure.

01:43:10.000 --> 01:43:18.000
Courtney Barriger: But if it ends up over here and it ends up in your body and it ends up in the wash and the water systems, what's the difference.

01:43:19.000 --> 01:43:22.000
Courtney Barriger: You know. Why can't um.

01:43:23.000 --> 01:43:25.000
Courtney Barriger: I mean, would the future.

01:43:25.000 --> 01:43:31.000
Courtney Barriger: Do you look like an ingredients label that is just like food that has all of the the additives on there. Yeah, okay.

01:43:30.000 --> 01:43:32.000
jeffreygarner: Exactly. Yeah, exactly.

01:43:32.000 --> 01:43:36.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah. So that's that's how you can perceive it is like, Okay, well.

01:43:36.000 --> 01:43:39.000
jeffreygarner: This is a product, now that we know that.

01:43:39.000 --> 01:43:46.000
jeffreygarner: Like food it goes in your body. See? That's a that's a synergy of connections like oh, you put it inside your body. Well, now.

01:43:46.000 --> 01:43:49.000
jeffreygarner: We've proven. Clothing goes inside your body, too.

01:43:49.000 --> 01:43:54.000
jeffreygarner: Okay. So now we got to look at it completely different. That's why it's a health issue. Public health issue.

01:43:54.000 --> 01:43:57.000
jeffreygarner: So now we need to list those ingredients because we're absorbing it.

01:43:58.000 --> 01:44:00.000
jeffreygarner: You know, just like skin product.

01:44:00.000 --> 01:44:05.000
jeffreygarner: So that's the next step. So that's why we're going after policy wise. So.

01:44:05.000 --> 01:44:08.000
jeffreygarner: The unfortunate bit. You know these manufacturers don't know.

01:44:08.000 --> 01:44:12.000
jeffreygarner: These designers don't know. It's like extra homework. They don't want to do.

01:44:12.000 --> 01:44:18.000
jeffreygarner: They know it's toxic and chemical. They look the other way. I love it. When Zach Posen did the Delta uniforms airline.

01:44:18.000 --> 01:44:23.000
jeffreygarner: You know, for the purple ones, and he got sued, and he blamed on his manufacturer.

01:44:23.000 --> 01:44:29.000
jeffreygarner: And I was like, really, you knew what was in it, and the manufacturers like what we just did, what he wanted us to do.

01:44:24.000 --> 01:44:26.000
Courtney Barriger: Huh!

01:44:30.000 --> 01:44:32.000
jeffreygarner: And you know it's all that blame game thing.

01:44:33.000 --> 01:44:37.000
jeffreygarner: And then his company went out of business. But now he's just signing for Gap, and I'm like, Oh, great! Here we go.

01:44:37.000 --> 01:44:40.000
jeffreygarner: You know there's no consciousness there.

01:44:40.000 --> 01:44:48.000
jeffreygarner: It's all about mass consumption, production and nobody. The leaders should be asking the questions. Hey, what's in this dye? How's it affecting people.

01:44:48.000 --> 01:44:51.000
jeffreygarner: What's in this fabric, how it's affecting people. That's a true leader.

01:44:51.000 --> 01:44:55.000
jeffreygarner: I'm sorry I've I've met him several times, and like no, that's not.

01:44:55.000 --> 01:44:59.000
jeffreygarner: You're not, you know. That's a conscious thing that you need to address.

01:44:59.000 --> 01:45:01.000
jeffreygarner: Or stop designing, if you you know.

01:45:02.000 --> 01:45:05.000
jeffreygarner: I don't know. I just I just don't think.

01:45:05.000 --> 01:45:11.000
jeffreygarner: Anyone would want to make or design or create something that's going to hurt another individual.

01:45:12.000 --> 01:45:14.000
Courtney Barriger: Yeah, especially if they, if they know.

01:45:12.000 --> 01:45:14.000
jeffreygarner: And we're too.

01:45:15.000 --> 01:45:19.000
jeffreygarner: Well, that's it. We're too smart, and we know too much, and everyone in the industry knows what's in it.

01:45:20.000 --> 01:45:28.000
jeffreygarner: You know. It's like you go to Mcdonald's. You know exactly what's in those fries and and Big Mac, you know. But if you want to have it cool, have it? Don't pretend.

01:45:28.000 --> 01:45:35.000
jeffreygarner: Like you don't know what's in it, and that's not good for you. You can't sit there and be like I eat Mcdonald's every day, and I'm super healthy.

01:45:35.000 --> 01:45:40.000
Courtney Barriger: Yeah, no one. No one really walks in the room and brags about eating. Mcdonald's like.

01:45:36.000 --> 01:45:37.000
jeffreygarner: You know.

01:45:39.000 --> 01:45:44.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah, it's like great. You had a hunger thing, whatever go for it, but don't pretend.

01:45:44.000 --> 01:45:48.000
jeffreygarner: You know, like it's a health food and walk into the gym, and like no.

01:45:48.000 --> 01:45:52.000
jeffreygarner: Everyone know like this. That's the thing with with clothing. Science is there?

01:45:52.000 --> 01:45:55.000
jeffreygarner: Just science. It's not personal. It's not.

01:45:55.000 --> 01:45:57.000
jeffreygarner: Not a game that's fair.

01:45:58.000 --> 01:46:00.000
Courtney Barriger: What about um?

01:46:00.000 --> 01:46:09.000
Courtney Barriger: Okay. I've seen. I've seen a decent amount of like hemp, base, active wear popping up, and and things like that. I have not seen a single swimsuit.

01:46:11.000 --> 01:46:14.000
Courtney Barriger: I don't see anything that's a like an alternative to Polyester.

01:46:15.000 --> 01:46:17.000
Courtney Barriger: For the swimwear industry. What's up with that.

01:46:18.000 --> 01:46:20.000
Courtney Barriger: What are the options?

01:46:18.000 --> 01:46:23.000
jeffreygarner: Well, well, I used to design for some some surf companies. I.

01:46:24.000 --> 01:46:29.000
jeffreygarner: Tried early in 2,010 to get them to shift and change. I won't name names.

01:46:29.000 --> 01:46:32.000
jeffreygarner: And you know at the time.

01:46:32.000 --> 01:46:43.000
jeffreygarner: Strangely enough, I was. I was dating the daughter of one of the owners of these surf companies. So I thought, okay. And she was the marketing person I was like, listen, this guys would be great. Let's make it.

01:46:43.000 --> 01:46:49.000
jeffreygarner: Out of this product. I know it's safe and da da and offcast as you're on the beach, sun hits it.

01:46:49.000 --> 01:46:52.000
jeffreygarner: You know, that's the major component of heating it up.

01:46:52.000 --> 01:47:00.000
jeffreygarner: Um. And they basically, said Jeff, we can't make money off of this is bottom line stuff and nobody cares. I'm like you're in the surf industry. You are a surfer.

01:47:00.000 --> 01:47:02.000
jeffreygarner: You live on the beach like I do.

01:47:02.000 --> 01:47:06.000
jeffreygarner: Like, can we not? Please do something, and.

01:47:07.000 --> 01:47:08.000
jeffreygarner: They!

01:47:09.000 --> 01:47:16.000
jeffreygarner: Just said no. And then I went to the Surfrider Foundation and they thought about it. But you know, I'm like you guys are talking about.

01:47:16.000 --> 01:47:18.000
jeffreygarner: Ocean pollution, microplastics.

01:47:18.000 --> 01:47:24.000
jeffreygarner: Guys, have you looked at your laundry water? No, they had no idea, and I gave them the facts and figures. And I'm like.

01:47:25.000 --> 01:47:31.000
jeffreygarner: And it was funny when I was doing this, Doc, they were like, Oh, yeah, we only focus on ocean docs and microplastic. I'm like.

01:47:31.000 --> 01:47:33.000
jeffreygarner: You kidding me like.

01:47:32.000 --> 01:47:33.000
Courtney Barriger: What?

01:47:33.000 --> 01:47:35.000
jeffreygarner: This is one in the major.

01:47:35.000 --> 01:47:42.000
jeffreygarner: Components. And here's why. And I presented everything to him, and we did our own. And, by the way, we did our own test for microplastics and.

01:47:42.000 --> 01:47:47.000
jeffreygarner: One of our scientists in the film is a microplastic expert and scientist.

01:47:47.000 --> 01:47:50.000
jeffreygarner: So we showed them exactly what's in the laundry water.

01:47:50.000 --> 01:47:53.000
jeffreygarner: From the polyester shirts and.

01:47:53.000 --> 01:47:57.000
jeffreygarner: It's shocking that they had no idea or couldn't connect the dots. I'm like guys. I grew up.

01:47:57.000 --> 01:48:05.000
jeffreygarner: On the beach in Malibu, you know, doing laundry on the beach, you know. I'm surfing out front of my place. I know exactly what's going in and out of that water.

01:48:05.000 --> 01:48:11.000
jeffreygarner: I go? Detergents! Do you know what's in that like? Why aren't you addressing these things could easily be changed, and so.

01:48:12.000 --> 01:48:13.000
jeffreygarner: Then you learn very quick.

01:48:12.000 --> 01:48:19.000
Courtney Barriger: Especially if, yeah, if they're the brand, it doesn't make any. It's some kind of cognitive disconnect, right there.

01:48:16.000 --> 01:48:18.000
jeffreygarner: Doesn't.

01:48:19.000 --> 01:48:21.000
jeffreygarner: It is. And it's like.

01:48:21.000 --> 01:48:23.000
jeffreygarner: But you guys are basing apparel brand.

01:48:23.000 --> 01:48:27.000
jeffreygarner: Masking as a surf company that cares about the oceans.

01:48:27.000 --> 01:48:32.000
jeffreygarner: Like, huh! Where's the knight in shiny armor that's going to do things differently.

01:48:32.000 --> 01:48:39.000
jeffreygarner: And say, this is how it can be done. So to answer your question. Yes, swimsuits can be done in a non-toxic way. I'm.

01:48:39.000 --> 01:48:45.000
jeffreygarner: I'm working on it. I I you know the problem is, everyone's like, Jeff, do this. Do that, do that. I'm like I'm the.

01:48:45.000 --> 01:48:48.000
jeffreygarner: I've been in this world enough like I have over 600 patterns like.

01:48:48.000 --> 01:48:52.000
jeffreygarner: If you want yoga pants I can make them. Do you want swim trunks? I can make them.

01:48:52.000 --> 01:48:57.000
jeffreygarner: Whatever I have it. The problem is, I don't have the resources, or you know there's no way I would.

01:48:57.000 --> 01:49:03.000
jeffreygarner: I would. Definitely. I'm I'm a solo gun. I mean I would. I'd pass out. I would just.

01:49:03.000 --> 01:49:10.000
jeffreygarner: You know I go in the ocean or ride my horse in the woods and never come back. I I'm not. I was never designed to make.

01:49:10.000 --> 01:49:12.000
jeffreygarner: All these things, but I want to help.

01:49:12.000 --> 01:49:17.000
jeffreygarner: People. 1st you got to create the demand, then you make the product.

01:49:18.000 --> 01:49:20.000
jeffreygarner: So that's what I'm trying to do first.st

01:49:20.000 --> 01:49:28.000
jeffreygarner: And then, you know. But yeah, if a swimsuit like I was trying to do back, then, hopefully, this film will educate him, and they'll be like, Oh, great! This is a new market.

01:49:29.000 --> 01:49:33.000
jeffreygarner: Let's ride this out, even if it's only.

01:49:33.000 --> 01:49:38.000
jeffreygarner: 10% of our sales, and so they'll work with somebody like you or myself and do it properly.

01:49:39.000 --> 01:49:48.000
jeffreygarner: That's my goal with this, and to give us all new opportunities to do these things right. But they're not going to do it if, unless they they see, and the business of fashion.

01:49:49.000 --> 01:49:52.000
jeffreygarner: This year as well, just came out with article and said.

01:49:52.000 --> 01:50:01.000
jeffreygarner: You know, they basically quoted like is this, on the rise, you know, is sustainable fashion on the rise, all because of the film they saw the film as well.

01:50:01.000 --> 01:50:05.000
jeffreygarner: So they're kind of prepping this idea that things are going to shift.

01:50:05.000 --> 01:50:10.000
jeffreygarner: So I do believe it can be done right now. The reason it's not being produced is because.

01:50:11.000 --> 01:50:17.000
jeffreygarner: The the price point, the cog making that product isn't gonna it's too risky for them.

01:50:17.000 --> 01:50:19.000
Courtney Barriger: Mhm.

01:50:18.000 --> 01:50:25.000
jeffreygarner: And that's why. And even though it's a surf company, whatever they're not, people don't want to pay again. They're all trying to keep their price points low.

01:50:25.000 --> 01:50:32.000
jeffreygarner: I don't know why there's not like. I can't even think of a High End surf company. I get a French brand to make my wetsuit out of natural rubber.

01:50:33.000 --> 01:50:38.000
jeffreygarner: And they're awesome, but they're small. They're like me. It's like me and my hem boxers. It's kind of like one item. They do it really. Well.

01:50:39.000 --> 01:50:40.000
Courtney Barriger: Mhm.

01:50:39.000 --> 01:50:43.000
jeffreygarner: And that's it. Because that's all the resources we can. We can.

01:50:43.000 --> 01:50:46.000
jeffreygarner: Have, you know, and.

01:50:47.000 --> 01:50:50.000
jeffreygarner: The other companies don't want to do it as well. I went to.

01:50:50.000 --> 01:50:54.000
jeffreygarner: Um jockey underwear, and a friend of mine is the President owns it.

01:50:54.000 --> 01:50:57.000
jeffreygarner: It's family owned, but he runs it for the family, and.

01:50:58.000 --> 01:51:02.000
jeffreygarner: They didn't want to work with me, because they thought it would bastardize the rest of their line.

01:51:03.000 --> 01:51:18.000
jeffreygarner: But I'm like, you guys started on socks. You made your underwear out of cotton like. It's not a far fetched idea to like circle back around and be like sorry we left kind of that idea. Now we're coming back working with Jeff to do this kind of clean product.

01:51:18.000 --> 01:51:23.000
jeffreygarner: And present it to the world. I was like, we're talking about size, rest of the product. People are still going to buy the cheap stuff.

01:51:23.000 --> 01:51:25.000
jeffreygarner: But at least present something.

01:51:25.000 --> 01:51:29.000
jeffreygarner: It's like being a vegetarian or vegan like at least present, something.

01:51:29.000 --> 01:51:31.000
Courtney Barriger: Mhm.

01:51:29.000 --> 01:51:32.000
jeffreygarner: That they can eat, that they can wear.

01:51:32.000 --> 01:51:39.000
jeffreygarner: That was so, but they shut me down, too, because, he said, I'm a responsibility to the family to make.

01:51:39.000 --> 01:51:43.000
jeffreygarner: You know the budgets, and I don't want people to lose their jobs. I'm like, Wow.

01:51:43.000 --> 01:51:47.000
jeffreygarner: So it's mainly the money guys, the accounting guys saying no.

01:51:48.000 --> 01:51:50.000
jeffreygarner: And unfortunately, a lot of these companies are.

01:51:50.000 --> 01:51:52.000
jeffreygarner: Been bought out in these brands. I don't know.

01:51:53.000 --> 01:51:56.000
jeffreygarner: Other than the guys who put in the film. I don't know many designer owned.

01:51:56.000 --> 01:51:58.000
jeffreygarner: Brands anymore.

01:52:00.000 --> 01:52:02.000
Courtney Barriger: Not that are on a global scale.

01:52:03.000 --> 01:52:05.000
Courtney Barriger: Yeah.

01:52:06.000 --> 01:52:08.000
Courtney Barriger: Oh, no, thank you.

01:52:37.000 --> 01:52:39.000
Courtney Barriger: Ah! There we go!

01:52:38.000 --> 01:52:41.000
jeffreygarner: Dude. I think you froze. There you are.

01:52:41.000 --> 01:52:44.000
jeffreygarner: That's a great face. He froze on.

01:52:43.000 --> 01:52:45.000
Courtney Barriger: Oh, no, I don't wanna know.

01:52:45.000 --> 01:52:47.000
jeffreygarner: None of us do.

01:52:47.000 --> 01:52:49.000
Courtney Barriger: Oh, God!

01:52:47.000 --> 01:52:51.000
jeffreygarner: Tough, but I don't know where I left off, but.

01:52:49.000 --> 01:52:50.000
Courtney Barriger: Alright!

01:52:51.000 --> 01:52:55.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah, that that maybe help explain where? Why we.

01:52:55.000 --> 01:52:58.000
jeffreygarner: We are, where we are, with everything. So.

01:52:58.000 --> 01:53:03.000
jeffreygarner: And but yeah, there will be more solutions, more answers on the table.

01:53:03.000 --> 01:53:06.000
jeffreygarner: For consumers to purchase. Once we do the heavy lift.

01:53:06.000 --> 01:53:08.000
jeffreygarner: And get everybody behind it and wanting it.

01:53:08.000 --> 01:53:12.000
jeffreygarner: You know, it's got to go through that stage next, you know.

01:53:12.000 --> 01:53:16.000
jeffreygarner: Um, and it will inspire people to do things differently.

01:53:28.000 --> 01:53:30.000
Courtney Barriger: Fine.

01:54:06.000 --> 01:54:07.000
Courtney Barriger: Okay.

01:56:16.000 --> 01:56:18.000
jeffreygarner: Here we are!

01:56:19.000 --> 01:56:21.000
Courtney Barriger: How's it going.

01:56:19.000 --> 01:56:21.000
jeffreygarner: Okay. Cool. Good.

01:56:22.000 --> 01:56:25.000
Courtney Barriger: Cool. It's still recording through. So.

01:56:25.000 --> 01:56:27.000
jeffreygarner: Sweet. Okay.

01:56:27.000 --> 01:56:29.000
Courtney Barriger: Cool, cool, cool, all right, so.

01:56:29.000 --> 01:56:32.000
Courtney Barriger: Picking back up. So I want to know.

01:56:32.000 --> 01:56:35.000
Courtney Barriger: What are the most concerning chemicals?

01:56:35.000 --> 01:56:42.000
Courtney Barriger: Found in fast fashion items or just clothes in general. And what are some certifications that we can turn to.

01:56:39.000 --> 01:56:41.000
jeffreygarner: Hmm.

01:56:43.000 --> 01:56:45.000
Courtney Barriger: That already exist right now.

01:56:47.000 --> 01:56:51.000
jeffreygarner: That's a very convoluted question, all right. So.

01:56:52.000 --> 01:56:54.000
jeffreygarner: Um I mean.

01:56:54.000 --> 01:56:56.000
jeffreygarner: The majors are.

01:56:57.000 --> 01:56:59.000
jeffreygarner: Bromondehyde any carcinogenic.

01:57:00.000 --> 01:57:05.000
jeffreygarner: Uh chemical was added for the textile industry. So formaldehyde. It's a major one.

01:57:05.000 --> 01:57:09.000
jeffreygarner: 9 in funerals. Another one. Um. You know you have.

01:57:10.000 --> 01:57:15.000
jeffreygarner: Chromium and nylon, for example. So it depends on the fabrication. A lot of these chemicals.

01:57:15.000 --> 01:57:17.000
jeffreygarner: Um, but.

01:57:17.000 --> 01:57:20.000
jeffreygarner: Fermata you're going to have in every synthetic dial.

01:57:20.000 --> 01:57:26.000
jeffreygarner: Practically, and those are probably the 3 major carcinogenic ones. And then.

01:57:27.000 --> 01:57:29.000
jeffreygarner: You know you're gonna you know you mentioned.

01:57:30.000 --> 01:57:32.000
jeffreygarner: Sorry you mentioned pfabs.

01:57:32.000 --> 01:57:36.000
jeffreygarner: In one of your posts I saw, and so, just to kind of ex.

01:57:36.000 --> 01:57:38.000
jeffreygarner: Bound on, that the.

01:57:39.000 --> 01:57:47.000
jeffreygarner: Petro fluorinate. Those chemicals are designed and made to waterproof an additive as a cotton, so if you add it to a cotton.

01:57:47.000 --> 01:57:49.000
jeffreygarner: It creates that waterproof.

01:57:49.000 --> 01:57:53.000
jeffreygarner: So it could be 100% cop that has pfabs on it like those. Wow.

01:57:54.000 --> 01:57:56.000
jeffreygarner: For example.

01:57:56.000 --> 01:57:58.000
jeffreygarner: You know that people buy and wear in England, etc.

01:57:58.000 --> 01:58:03.000
jeffreygarner: Um. So those are gonna have it in it. Um! The polyester.

01:58:03.000 --> 01:58:07.000
jeffreygarner: Our nylon rain jacket, the outdoor jacket.

01:58:07.000 --> 01:58:10.000
jeffreygarner: That has a slick fill on it. It's like an all slick.

01:58:11.000 --> 01:58:13.000
jeffreygarner: Any of those? Will even your board shorts.

01:58:14.000 --> 01:58:17.000
jeffreygarner: That, you know. Right so, but it won't be.

01:58:18.000 --> 01:58:20.000
jeffreygarner: In every nylon, every part. It's an additive.

01:58:21.000 --> 01:58:24.000
jeffreygarner: Um. So, for example, they added to the army uniforms.

01:58:24.000 --> 01:58:27.000
jeffreygarner: To obviously keep them from.

01:58:27.000 --> 01:58:30.000
jeffreygarner: It's also fireproof agent. So to keep them from burning up.

01:58:30.000 --> 01:58:32.000
jeffreygarner: Right during the war stuff.

01:58:32.000 --> 01:58:35.000
jeffreygarner: They discovered is that it's.

01:58:35.000 --> 01:58:37.000
jeffreygarner: Obviously poisoning.

01:58:37.000 --> 01:58:39.000
jeffreygarner: The guys wearing it.

01:58:39.000 --> 01:58:45.000
jeffreygarner: So. Um! I found paperwork that showed over 40 years ago. They warned.

01:58:45.000 --> 01:58:47.000
jeffreygarner: About the army using this chemical.

01:58:47.000 --> 01:58:49.000
jeffreygarner: And they continued using it.

01:58:49.000 --> 01:58:52.000
jeffreygarner: Um. And the reason I say that.

01:58:53.000 --> 01:58:55.000
jeffreygarner: Is because.

01:58:55.000 --> 01:59:00.000
jeffreygarner: The whole reason pfabs came about in public eye is because.

01:59:00.000 --> 01:59:03.000
jeffreygarner: There was this little town that got they were all getting sick.

01:59:03.000 --> 01:59:06.000
jeffreygarner: And getting cancer, etc. They didn't know what was going on.

01:59:07.000 --> 01:59:08.000
jeffreygarner: They're like. We have no industry around us.

01:59:09.000 --> 01:59:12.000
jeffreygarner: Um. Our water's clean, we think like.

01:59:13.000 --> 01:59:15.000
jeffreygarner: And they did some water testing.

01:59:15.000 --> 01:59:20.000
jeffreygarner: There's peebabs in the water they're like, well, there's nothing around. This makes no sense.

01:59:21.000 --> 01:59:23.000
jeffreygarner: But there's an Army Base.

01:59:24.000 --> 01:59:26.000
jeffreygarner: So they went to the Army Base.

01:59:27.000 --> 01:59:29.000
jeffreygarner: And um.

01:59:30.000 --> 01:59:33.000
jeffreygarner: Did the water testing there, and that, sure enough, that's the source of the pfas.

01:59:33.000 --> 01:59:35.000
jeffreygarner: So you ask, why? Well.

01:59:35.000 --> 01:59:39.000
jeffreygarner: Army uniforms obviously are covered in it. So they're washing in it right.

01:59:39.000 --> 01:59:47.000
jeffreygarner: Uh, when you leave the army. Sometimes they burn the army uniforms there on the base. Also they're doing tests and drills, using the spray foam.

01:59:47.000 --> 01:59:50.000
jeffreygarner: Which has pfabs in it. Right goes in the water.

01:59:51.000 --> 01:59:53.000
jeffreygarner: So they sued the army.

01:59:54.000 --> 01:59:58.000
jeffreygarner: The town did, because people couldn't pay for the hospital bills and get treatment.

01:59:58.000 --> 02:00:00.000
jeffreygarner: So that's where it came.

02:00:02.000 --> 02:00:05.000
jeffreygarner: Um. So now.

02:00:05.000 --> 02:00:12.000
jeffreygarner: You can go online. And this is in my book. It's not something I wanted to cover in the doc. It's in my book. So you can go online now and find.

02:00:12.000 --> 02:00:16.000
jeffreygarner: If you live close Army Base, you should look up.

02:00:16.000 --> 02:00:18.000
jeffreygarner: Because it's probably like a 40 mile radius.

02:00:18.000 --> 02:00:20.000
jeffreygarner: So we need to make sure.

02:00:20.000 --> 02:00:23.000
jeffreygarner: And um, you know.

02:00:23.000 --> 02:00:25.000
jeffreygarner: Check the water, but so.

02:00:26.000 --> 02:00:29.000
jeffreygarner: In the documentary, though. Can you hear me? Okay.

02:00:29.000 --> 02:00:32.000
jeffreygarner: Is it kind of pausing? Or we're good? Okay.

02:00:31.000 --> 02:00:32.000
Courtney Barriger: Mhm.

02:00:32.000 --> 02:00:38.000
jeffreygarner: And the documentary. We do mention this. This guy named Matteo Ward, who grew up in this town in Italy, where they.

02:00:38.000 --> 02:00:41.000
jeffreygarner: 1st pfaps.

02:00:41.000 --> 02:00:43.000
jeffreygarner: Like manufacturing, was.

02:00:44.000 --> 02:00:49.000
jeffreygarner: And all his friends are getting sick, and he testicular cancer. And all this stuff. They're in their twenties.

02:00:49.000 --> 02:00:56.000
jeffreygarner: And then we met with his mom against Pfab's group that are Italian and all their kids are growing up with all these issues.

02:00:58.000 --> 02:01:01.000
jeffreygarner: Because his plant's been shut down, but.

02:01:02.000 --> 02:01:10.000
jeffreygarner: Still been in the water. And so we bring that to light as well show an impact. And like I said, just today, it's showing. There's now a peer reviewed research showing it's adding.

02:01:11.000 --> 02:01:13.000
jeffreygarner: To gut issues right? And so.

02:01:13.000 --> 02:01:15.000
jeffreygarner: You know um.

02:01:15.000 --> 02:01:21.000
jeffreygarner: So that's a major one. But is it in everything? No, but is it something we should all address absolutely.

02:01:21.000 --> 02:01:25.000
jeffreygarner: You know um, and you can find it in underwear.

02:01:25.000 --> 02:01:30.000
jeffreygarner: Too, you know. Um, there was. This Underwear Company was using it.

02:01:30.000 --> 02:01:32.000
jeffreygarner: For you know, period underwear.

02:01:32.000 --> 02:01:35.000
jeffreygarner: Because again it it, and guess what it's in.

02:01:36.000 --> 02:01:38.000
jeffreygarner: The wrappers of fast food.

02:01:38.000 --> 02:01:43.000
jeffreygarner: See, see? People don't know this stuff. And I'm like, guys, this is science, like.

02:01:43.000 --> 02:01:45.000
jeffreygarner: You know everyone jokes because I've lived.

02:01:45.000 --> 02:01:49.000
jeffreygarner: Half my life in Europe and half here in the States and Tennessee, etc.

02:01:50.000 --> 02:01:52.000
jeffreygarner: And people joke about fat Americans. I'm like.

02:01:52.000 --> 02:01:56.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah, but it's not because of our diet, or we're lazy.

02:01:56.000 --> 02:01:59.000
jeffreygarner: I go. It's because of the fast food industry.

02:02:00.000 --> 02:02:02.000
jeffreygarner: But not the food. It's not what you think.

02:02:02.000 --> 02:02:07.000
jeffreygarner: They're like, what do you mean? I go. There's pfabs in the wrappers. So again it's a it's an additive.

02:02:07.000 --> 02:02:14.000
jeffreygarner: It's like a it's like an oil base. So it keeps your burger, your cheese from sticking to that wrapper.

02:02:14.000 --> 02:02:21.000
jeffreygarner: So it's not messy so that you think like in the old days it was real wax paper. Your grandmother would take Beeswax.

02:02:21.000 --> 02:02:24.000
jeffreygarner: Put it on that paper, and things wouldn't stick right.

02:02:25.000 --> 02:02:28.000
jeffreygarner: This is the chemical way, the fast way, the cheap way right.

02:02:28.000 --> 02:02:35.000
jeffreygarner: So what did it? They don't study synergy of effect just like with clothing. They don't study what happens when you use this.

02:02:35.000 --> 02:02:37.000
jeffreygarner: Very innovative. Tech.

02:02:37.000 --> 02:02:40.000
jeffreygarner: Thing, so your burger doesn't stick. Well, what happens when you.

02:02:40.000 --> 02:02:42.000
jeffreygarner: Put that in your body.

02:02:44.000 --> 02:02:46.000
jeffreygarner: Nobody's gonna pay for that.

02:02:47.000 --> 02:02:52.000
jeffreygarner: Right what happens. And this is in the Doc. We went and and interviewed the.

02:02:52.000 --> 02:02:55.000
jeffreygarner: The scientists who discovered.

02:02:59.000 --> 02:03:02.000
jeffreygarner: BA right. So in the sex.

02:03:03.000 --> 02:03:11.000
jeffreygarner: And they're like, huh! Why? Why is this happening? And they they realize they pinpointed it back because everything was clean except their test. Tubes were made of plastic.

02:03:14.000 --> 02:03:20.000
jeffreygarner: So they realize really quickly, like, Oh, there's Pba! And then they called the company, and they're like, there's nothing we do. And they're like.

02:03:20.000 --> 02:03:22.000
jeffreygarner: But the test tubes.

02:03:22.000 --> 02:03:26.000
jeffreygarner: The Pba was coming off the test tubes into their.

02:03:26.000 --> 02:03:28.000
jeffreygarner: Testing agent. And that's what was happening.

02:03:29.000 --> 02:03:35.000
jeffreygarner: So that's where we need accountability to study. Okay, these these great.

02:03:35.000 --> 02:03:42.000
jeffreygarner: Chemicals that you know. If you go on, some of these chemical websites are like, we're making the future better and brighter tomorrow. Okay, fine.

02:03:42.000 --> 02:03:49.000
jeffreygarner: We all love convenience, but you shouldn't be allowed to put that chemical on the market until all due diligence and tests have been done. What is as.

02:03:49.000 --> 02:03:51.000
jeffreygarner: What does it do to the human body?

02:03:52.000 --> 02:03:57.000
jeffreygarner: And they'll they'll push back and say, Well, we're not allowed to test on the human body. We can only test on animals.

02:03:58.000 --> 02:04:07.000
jeffreygarner: See, it's it's a game. But we should say, no, we can't introduce that product, no matter how amazing tech. Savvy it is.

02:03:59.000 --> 02:04:01.000
Courtney Barriger: Hmm.

02:04:07.000 --> 02:04:09.000
jeffreygarner: Are creative, or whatever.

02:04:09.000 --> 02:04:11.000
jeffreygarner: You know, we as humans, as our own.

02:04:12.000 --> 02:04:16.000
jeffreygarner: Taking charge of our lives and our health, we should say, No, that's not allowed.

02:04:16.000 --> 02:04:21.000
jeffreygarner: Not in this, you know. But the problem is, we're we're pushed up against commerce and capitalism. It's like.

02:04:21.000 --> 02:04:24.000
jeffreygarner: Well, how do you? How do you? How do you stop that? It's a big.

02:04:24.000 --> 02:04:27.000
jeffreygarner: Big train, and so.

02:04:27.000 --> 02:04:35.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah. So anyways, I went on, a little tangent. But there you go. So it just shows you the synergy vex. So those are, you know. So those are. That's that's.

02:04:35.000 --> 02:04:37.000
jeffreygarner: But that helps explain.

02:04:37.000 --> 02:04:45.000
jeffreygarner: You know how these that what we're up against, and why it's not so easy as cut and dry as them listed ingredients. And us saying Yay, or Nay.

02:04:47.000 --> 02:04:49.000
jeffreygarner: And not to say.

02:04:47.000 --> 02:04:49.000
Courtney Barriger: It's super complicated.

02:04:51.000 --> 02:04:54.000
jeffreygarner: It's complicated and.

02:04:54.000 --> 02:04:57.000
jeffreygarner: And all that to say is that, say, you made a.

02:04:57.000 --> 02:05:01.000
jeffreygarner: Product, and you were trying to do the right thing and.

02:05:01.000 --> 02:05:08.000
jeffreygarner: You plant diet it whatever. But maybe there's something in your product you don't know about, and when it's mixed with.

02:05:09.000 --> 02:05:15.000
jeffreygarner: You know this packaging or something. So there, there could be this synergy relationship, like, for example, if you go running.

02:05:15.000 --> 02:05:18.000
jeffreygarner: And your shirt synthetically dyed it's got. It's gonna have.

02:05:18.000 --> 02:05:21.000
jeffreygarner: Chromium and those heavy metals in it for the dye to set the die.

02:05:22.000 --> 02:05:27.000
jeffreygarner: And most deodorants have aluminum in it, because that's what clogs your pores and keeps you from sweating.

02:05:27.000 --> 02:05:34.000
jeffreygarner: Right. Just science. The 2 of those together when they heat up. It's gonna your underarm is going to change the shirt. The color of the shirt's gonna.

02:05:35.000 --> 02:05:41.000
jeffreygarner: Going to change. It's going to take the color out. Aluminum will, because of the that sensitive connection.

02:05:41.000 --> 02:05:45.000
jeffreygarner: Now, my question is, what happens? What happens to your body.

02:05:45.000 --> 02:05:47.000
jeffreygarner: That's your lymphatic system.

02:05:47.000 --> 02:05:50.000
jeffreygarner: And you're sweating, or should be sweating.

02:05:50.000 --> 02:05:53.000
jeffreygarner: So what's going on there? And that's where.

02:05:54.000 --> 02:06:01.000
jeffreygarner: Nobody's asking the question or challenging it, or are doing the studies. And that's where I'm like, I know too much.

02:06:01.000 --> 02:06:05.000
jeffreygarner: This is why this is why this is what we're trying to bring about.

02:06:06.000 --> 02:06:08.000
jeffreygarner: So you shouldn't wear that t-shirt.

02:06:08.000 --> 02:06:12.000
jeffreygarner: But say, the T-shirt company says, well, we didn't put anything.

02:06:12.000 --> 02:06:18.000
jeffreygarner: Gnarly in it, and then the and the deodorant company saying, Oh, we didn't do anything that that causes cancer. But the 2 of them together.

02:06:19.000 --> 02:06:21.000
jeffreygarner: Bingo. They cause cancer right?

02:06:21.000 --> 02:06:23.000
jeffreygarner: So.

02:06:23.000 --> 02:06:25.000
jeffreygarner: How do we? How do we regulate that.

02:06:26.000 --> 02:06:28.000
jeffreygarner: So that's why I'm saying, let's let's just.

02:06:28.000 --> 02:06:31.000
jeffreygarner: Don't use any of that until we know it's safe.

02:06:33.000 --> 02:06:37.000
jeffreygarner: And then, if it's not safe, you gotta put warning labels on it.

02:06:38.000 --> 02:06:40.000
jeffreygarner: And tell people.

02:06:43.000 --> 02:06:45.000
jeffreygarner: Um.

02:06:45.000 --> 02:06:50.000
Courtney Barriger: How do you feel about some of the certifying bodies out there like ecotechs?

02:06:50.000 --> 02:06:55.000
Courtney Barriger: Um, they're supposed to be checking for toxins and such things.

02:06:55.000 --> 02:06:58.000
jeffreygarner: Can I take the 5th on that? I don't. I wanna have some friends left.

02:06:58.000 --> 02:07:00.000
jeffreygarner: Um.

02:06:59.000 --> 02:07:01.000
Courtney Barriger: Yeah, you can. You can.

02:07:01.000 --> 02:07:06.000
jeffreygarner: I'll just. I'll just say this not to throw anybody under the bus, because that's.

02:07:07.000 --> 02:07:10.000
jeffreygarner: I live at all.

02:07:10.000 --> 02:07:13.000
jeffreygarner: These certification programs didn't exist when I started.

02:07:13.000 --> 02:07:17.000
jeffreygarner: I've honestly kind of know, know more than most.

02:07:18.000 --> 02:07:22.000
jeffreygarner: Do they give a consumer peace of mind? Are they better than the standard stuff? Yes.

02:07:23.000 --> 02:07:27.000
jeffreygarner: Do they test in product? No.

02:07:27.000 --> 02:07:30.000
jeffreygarner: Are they clear and.

02:07:30.000 --> 02:07:32.000
jeffreygarner: Privy and.

02:07:33.000 --> 02:07:35.000
jeffreygarner: Toxic, free, no.

02:07:36.000 --> 02:07:39.000
jeffreygarner: They don't test that they there's no way for them to regulate that.

02:07:40.000 --> 02:07:48.000
jeffreygarner: So as a consumer again, it's your responsibility you're wearing it. You can't rely on this and trust this, and it is a marketing.

02:07:48.000 --> 02:07:52.000
jeffreygarner: If they were doing it for free and to help out the world, then I would have a different opinion.

02:07:52.000 --> 02:07:56.000
jeffreygarner: But it is for commerce and money. So again.

02:07:56.000 --> 02:08:02.000
jeffreygarner: You know I would. I'm trying to raise money to have a free lab for everyone to go and test their clothing.

02:08:02.000 --> 02:08:04.000
jeffreygarner: That's what I'm trying to do.

02:08:03.000 --> 02:08:05.000
Courtney Barriger: Um wow!

02:08:04.000 --> 02:08:06.000
jeffreygarner: And you know.

02:08:08.000 --> 02:08:14.000
jeffreygarner: So if they want to do that, that's that. Show me the sign of like, okay, that's your intention.

02:08:14.000 --> 02:08:17.000
jeffreygarner: Okay, cool. And we interviewed one of them in the film.

02:08:18.000 --> 02:08:20.000
jeffreygarner: And they were straightforward with us.

02:08:20.000 --> 02:08:23.000
jeffreygarner: And they were worried. I was gonna like throw in their bus, said no.

02:08:23.000 --> 02:08:27.000
jeffreygarner: And they were like, this is what we can do. This is what we should be doing. And this is what.

02:08:27.000 --> 02:08:30.000
jeffreygarner: But you know, and they were just honest.

02:08:31.000 --> 02:08:33.000
jeffreygarner: And and the reality is.

02:08:33.000 --> 02:08:35.000
jeffreygarner: They don't have the manpower to test everyone.

02:08:35.000 --> 02:08:38.000
jeffreygarner: So it's it's self-regulated.

02:08:40.000 --> 02:08:45.000
jeffreygarner: And so we all know with self-regulation. There's some honest people and some dishonest people, and that's just how it is.

02:08:46.000 --> 02:08:53.000
jeffreygarner: It's like asking people to not cheat on achievement test or something I don't know, and I don't know. It's just like human nature.

02:08:53.000 --> 02:08:54.000
jeffreygarner: You know.

02:08:56.000 --> 02:08:58.000
Courtney Barriger: Yeah, if they're not testing the end product.

02:09:03.000 --> 02:09:06.000
Courtney Barriger: You can test a virgin product, and it can be totally clean.

02:09:07.000 --> 02:09:09.000
Courtney Barriger: It should be clean. If it's.

02:09:09.000 --> 02:09:11.000
Courtney Barriger: You know.

02:09:09.000 --> 02:09:13.000
jeffreygarner: Exactly, but that sticker stays, and it stays on till the end.

02:09:13.000 --> 02:09:15.000
Courtney Barriger: Yeah.

02:09:14.000 --> 02:09:21.000
jeffreygarner: So that's to me is you're, you know. I'm a Tennessee boy. I go. That's you're just. You're just misguiding right there.

02:09:21.000 --> 02:09:24.000
jeffreygarner: That's just. That's not the way we should do things.

02:09:24.000 --> 02:09:26.000
Courtney Barriger: What about um?

02:09:26.000 --> 02:09:28.000
Courtney Barriger: I see things like.

02:09:28.000 --> 02:09:33.000
Courtney Barriger: Print on demand. Companies that do t-shirts that say, toxic like toxin, free ink.

02:09:34.000 --> 02:09:36.000
Courtney Barriger: Or print on demand. What's.

02:09:35.000 --> 02:09:38.000
jeffreygarner: You can say whatever you want to say, but it's not the truth.

02:09:40.000 --> 02:09:44.000
jeffreygarner: No, I I started in.

02:09:45.000 --> 02:09:50.000
jeffreygarner: I think I told you I started in music so in Nashville, Tennessee. I designed for all these bands.

02:09:51.000 --> 02:09:58.000
jeffreygarner: Um, and it was fun, stage clothing, merchandise, etc. So I got into printing very quickly, and I realized, oh, that pastel ink that's gnarly.

02:09:58.000 --> 02:10:05.000
jeffreygarner: Guys were in their thirties getting just breaking out hormone disruption. Blah, blah. And I was like, there's no way I'm gonna do this.

02:10:05.000 --> 02:10:10.000
jeffreygarner: So I went to Willflex, Inc. In Atlanta, and we created organic pigment one. But it wasn't clean, clean.

02:10:11.000 --> 02:10:13.000
jeffreygarner: But it was better. Um!

02:10:13.000 --> 02:10:15.000
jeffreygarner: I just.

02:10:15.000 --> 02:10:20.000
jeffreygarner: From my knowledge, and I checked in with them when I was doing this film. There's not a complete answer yet.

02:10:20.000 --> 02:10:22.000
jeffreygarner: For printing.

02:10:20.000 --> 02:10:22.000
Courtney Barriger: Mhm.

02:10:22.000 --> 02:10:32.000
jeffreygarner: You know, you hear about soyings and stuff again, like maybe the main component is clean, but the rest of it to make it work is not. And so it's just. It's a.

02:10:32.000 --> 02:10:35.000
jeffreygarner: Problem that a beautiful problem that could be solved.

02:10:36.000 --> 02:10:40.000
jeffreygarner: So to me, it's exciting. It's like, Okay, great. Now you have a reason to change it.

02:10:40.000 --> 02:10:42.000
jeffreygarner: Because people don't want to wear placid ink anymore.

02:10:42.000 --> 02:10:50.000
jeffreygarner: Because it has pfabs in it. So these poor little babies that have a print of like, you know, mommy and daddy right here, and they're taking it in their nostrils.

02:10:52.000 --> 02:10:58.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah, not good. So that to me will be an incentive, and then they'll be like, Oh, great! We're gonna.

02:10:58.000 --> 02:11:01.000
jeffreygarner: Change the world by creating the 1st non-toxic.

02:11:01.000 --> 02:11:03.000
jeffreygarner: You know, Inc.

02:11:03.000 --> 02:11:04.000
Courtney Barriger: Hmm.

02:11:03.000 --> 02:11:05.000
jeffreygarner: You know I've made it.

02:11:05.000 --> 02:11:10.000
jeffreygarner: I made it for painter friends of mine that were going a little nuts painting with oil, you know.

02:11:10.000 --> 02:11:14.000
jeffreygarner: I made it on my plant dyes. Is it hard? Yes. Does it take time? Yes.

02:11:15.000 --> 02:11:17.000
jeffreygarner: You know, can be done, though.

02:11:18.000 --> 02:11:22.000
Courtney Barriger: It's like Old World craftsmanship. But in in today's.

02:11:23.000 --> 02:11:32.000
Courtney Barriger: Overpopulation. It's that's, I think, where it gets tougher, you know. How do we clothe the world when there's I mean, we have enough clothes like you said to clothe the world right now.

02:11:32.000 --> 02:11:33.000
jeffreygarner: We do? Yeah.

02:11:32.000 --> 02:11:34.000
Courtney Barriger: We do so.

02:11:35.000 --> 02:11:38.000
Courtney Barriger: If we just stopped right.

02:11:41.000 --> 02:11:42.000
jeffreygarner: There is a.

02:11:43.000 --> 02:11:47.000
jeffreygarner: That they'll find positions and jobs and other means, etc.

02:11:47.000 --> 02:11:49.000
jeffreygarner: You know um.

02:11:49.000 --> 02:11:52.000
jeffreygarner: And we could go naked more. You know. There's.

02:11:52.000 --> 02:11:54.000
jeffreygarner: You know, it's but again against we're going against.

02:11:55.000 --> 02:11:57.000
jeffreygarner: Addiction, right, so.

02:11:57.000 --> 02:11:59.000
jeffreygarner: I mean I would love, you know.

02:12:00.000 --> 02:12:02.000
jeffreygarner: Again. And I you know I haven't bought anything.

02:12:03.000 --> 02:12:05.000
jeffreygarner: 20 plus years. I've made everything that I.

02:12:06.000 --> 02:12:08.000
jeffreygarner: Aware um.

02:12:08.000 --> 02:12:12.000
jeffreygarner: So we could also go back to home. Text dialing.

02:12:12.000 --> 02:12:14.000
jeffreygarner: So then you really know what you're wearing, you know.

02:12:17.000 --> 02:12:19.000
Courtney Barriger: That would be cool.

02:12:19.000 --> 02:12:22.000
Courtney Barriger: That would be amazing. Um.

02:12:20.000 --> 02:12:25.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah, it's super cool. And then you're making what you you're making what you need. It's a village mentality.

02:12:25.000 --> 02:12:27.000
jeffreygarner: You know.

02:12:31.000 --> 02:12:35.000
Courtney Barriger: We have some of that here in Um in Mexico. Actually some local.

02:12:35.000 --> 02:12:40.000
Courtney Barriger: Uh cotton. They they weave it here, and it's so cool.

02:12:40.000 --> 02:12:42.000
Courtney Barriger: I feel like it's incredibly rare.

02:12:41.000 --> 02:12:43.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah.

02:12:45.000 --> 02:12:48.000
Courtney Barriger: Yeah, alright. So.

02:12:48.000 --> 02:12:50.000
Courtney Barriger: Your film.

02:12:50.000 --> 02:12:53.000
Courtney Barriger: What's next? Where can we see it soon?

02:12:54.000 --> 02:12:57.000
jeffreygarner: So we're slated to launch it.

02:12:57.000 --> 02:13:03.000
jeffreygarner: On the network streamer come September 17th at London fashion, week.

02:13:03.000 --> 02:13:05.000
jeffreygarner: And.

02:13:06.000 --> 02:13:08.000
jeffreygarner: Um. I guess I can.

02:13:09.000 --> 02:13:12.000
jeffreygarner: We have a surprise where it's going to be a.

02:13:12.000 --> 02:13:16.000
jeffreygarner: At a venue in London, and everyone knows.

02:13:16.000 --> 02:13:21.000
jeffreygarner: That there's never been a catwalk show ever in the history of this venue. And it's very, very, very.

02:13:21.000 --> 02:13:26.000
jeffreygarner: Very old um, and there will be a horse, that's all I can say, for now.

02:13:26.000 --> 02:13:29.000
jeffreygarner: But that's that's gonna be the.

02:13:29.000 --> 02:13:36.000
jeffreygarner: The big release to so everyone can see it, watch it, be inspired, and hopefully change the world.

02:13:37.000 --> 02:13:39.000
jeffreygarner: So, yeah.

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Courtney Barriger: That's incredible, incredible! And will it be available? Um in the States and everywhere.

02:13:44.000 --> 02:13:47.000
jeffreygarner: Everywhere. Yeah, so, everywhere.

02:13:48.000 --> 02:13:53.000
jeffreygarner: Airplanes. Educational. Yeah, it'll be be everywhere. So.

02:13:49.000 --> 02:13:51.000
Courtney Barriger: Airplanes.

02:13:53.000 --> 02:13:57.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah. So that's that's the the goalpost. So they're working.

02:13:58.000 --> 02:14:02.000
jeffreygarner: You know. You can imagine we've been blocked a few times. We've been, you know.

02:14:02.000 --> 02:14:06.000
jeffreygarner: Few little threats here and there, you know it's it's kind of.

02:14:06.000 --> 02:14:12.000
jeffreygarner: I'm like, Yeah, I've I've you know I've I've lived a hard life. I none of that phases me. But.

02:14:12.000 --> 02:14:14.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah.

02:14:14.000 --> 02:14:20.000
Courtney Barriger: Well, I cannot wait to be able to share with everyone. This is a film that I really do believe.

02:14:20.000 --> 02:14:22.000
Courtney Barriger: Everyone should watch.

02:14:22.000 --> 02:14:26.000
Courtney Barriger: So incredible incredible work.

02:14:24.000 --> 02:14:27.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah, it affects every single person.

02:14:27.000 --> 02:14:30.000
Courtney Barriger: Yeah, yeah, incredible work.

02:14:27.000 --> 02:14:29.000
jeffreygarner: Thank you. Thank you.

02:14:30.000 --> 02:14:32.000
Courtney Barriger: Um. Thank you for.

02:14:32.000 --> 02:14:38.000
Courtney Barriger: Sharing all of your knowledge. I still have more questions, but I don't want to hold you up forever.

02:14:38.000 --> 02:14:42.000
jeffreygarner: We we could do a part 2. But yeah, but no, I think it's amazing.

02:14:42.000 --> 02:14:46.000
jeffreygarner: What you're doing as well, and this film hopefully will feed into what you're doing, and you'll.

02:14:47.000 --> 02:14:49.000
jeffreygarner: Have more classes because we need more guides. You know.

02:14:50.000 --> 02:14:52.000
jeffreygarner: The the film.

02:14:53.000 --> 02:14:59.000
jeffreygarner: People. It's like, Okay, what next? Some people need hand holding and guiding into it.

02:14:59.000 --> 02:15:02.000
jeffreygarner: And then other people are like, Okay, I got it. I know what I gotta do now.

02:15:02.000 --> 02:15:06.000
jeffreygarner: So hopefully. You know your mentorship and your book, etc, will help help, you know.

02:15:06.000 --> 02:15:10.000
jeffreygarner: Um, you know. Take people on that journey, and then we're we're just.

02:15:10.000 --> 02:15:14.000
jeffreygarner: An amazing community. And we're we're taking over. It's great.

02:15:17.000 --> 02:15:20.000
Courtney Barriger: It's a new world, brand new world.

02:15:19.000 --> 02:15:21.000
jeffreygarner: New new world.

02:15:21.000 --> 02:15:23.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah. More nakedness.

02:15:23.000 --> 02:15:26.000
Courtney Barriger: Hey? I support that too honestly.

02:15:26.000 --> 02:15:30.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah. People don't know what they're missing. It's just a beautiful connection, you know.

02:15:34.000 --> 02:15:40.000
jeffreygarner: But they talk. They talk about that even with the well, the barefoot stuff. So imagine your skin. You know, everyone's talking about.

02:15:34.000 --> 02:15:36.000
Courtney Barriger: All right.

02:15:40.000 --> 02:15:42.000
jeffreygarner: Uh no.

02:15:49.000 --> 02:15:51.000
Courtney Barriger: Grounding, right.

02:15:51.000 --> 02:15:58.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah, so imagine that for your entire body, right? You know. So that view, you look at that perspective. You're like, oh, well, what are we.

02:15:58.000 --> 02:16:00.000
jeffreygarner: What are we getting from the clothes we're wearing.

02:16:00.000 --> 02:16:02.000
jeffreygarner: We're not getting grounding. We're getting something different.

02:16:02.000 --> 02:16:04.000
jeffreygarner: You know, but the same idea.

02:16:05.000 --> 02:16:08.000
Courtney Barriger: It's almost like, yeah, it's almost like a a negative.

02:16:05.000 --> 02:16:07.000
jeffreygarner: So.

02:16:08.000 --> 02:16:16.000
Courtney Barriger: Impact on the body. Do you believe in the um? Like the energetic charts that say linen is like a thousand.

02:16:16.000 --> 02:16:18.000
Courtney Barriger: But you know.

02:16:17.000 --> 02:16:27.000
jeffreygarner: I've seen that I've seen that I've heard that everyone asks me that. Now I'm like, Oh, wow! You guys, are you guys? Cause I don't get on Instagram, but they're like, I'm I'm like, you're getting that from Instagram and.

02:16:28.000 --> 02:16:32.000
jeffreygarner: Um. I don't know where it came from.

02:16:32.000 --> 02:16:38.000
jeffreygarner: I do in the book study, you know. Talk about the the age of linen and the old properties.

02:16:38.000 --> 02:16:43.000
jeffreygarner: I don't know if they you know. People ask me like, Oh, seaweed has healing properties. I've used seaweed for fabric.

02:16:44.000 --> 02:16:47.000
jeffreygarner: I wouldn't say it has healing properties. I would say that.

02:16:47.000 --> 02:16:54.000
jeffreygarner: It's just a natural fiber that breathes, and it's anti fungal and antibacterial. So it doesn't.

02:16:54.000 --> 02:16:56.000
jeffreygarner: Doesn't burden your body with anything.

02:16:56.000 --> 02:16:58.000
jeffreygarner: Um.

02:16:58.000 --> 02:17:01.000
jeffreygarner: I think it has good energy, because it's it's clean.

02:17:02.000 --> 02:17:06.000
jeffreygarner: And sure, and you can fill that. But.

02:17:06.000 --> 02:17:11.000
jeffreygarner: Um. I would have to see the science, the research behind the.

02:17:11.000 --> 02:17:14.000
jeffreygarner: Whatever they want to call the rhythms, etc.

02:17:14.000 --> 02:17:18.000
jeffreygarner: Um, but you know I wash my my shirts in the ocean water, and.

02:17:18.000 --> 02:17:23.000
jeffreygarner: Um. You know there is some ionization that happens with with salt water.

02:17:23.000 --> 02:17:30.000
jeffreygarner: Um. So maybe see, we carries that through. And but yeah, I don't. I don't know enough about it.

02:17:30.000 --> 02:17:33.000
jeffreygarner: I'd have to see the research. But it's a good thought.

02:17:33.000 --> 02:17:36.000
jeffreygarner: But it might be far fetching.

02:17:36.000 --> 02:17:39.000
jeffreygarner: But I love the idea of it, you know, but I do believe that the natural dyes.

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Courtney Barriger: Yeah.

02:17:40.000 --> 02:17:45.000
jeffreygarner: Have it because they have the chlorophyll, the sun, you know it feeds it.

02:17:45.000 --> 02:17:49.000
jeffreygarner: Um, and you can look back. I mean, it's basically like.

02:17:49.000 --> 02:17:54.000
jeffreygarner: You're foraging these plants. You can use herbs for dying. I mean, they're gonna.

02:17:54.000 --> 02:18:00.000
jeffreygarner: Have, like black walnut, has amazing amazing properties in it, and I use that for my blacks like.

02:18:00.000 --> 02:18:06.000
jeffreygarner: It's going to have some positive energy there, and and you know and here's I'll leave this.

02:18:06.000 --> 02:18:09.000
jeffreygarner: Leave this with you so like back in the day.

02:18:09.000 --> 02:18:12.000
jeffreygarner: You know they showed him braveheart, but it wasn't that pick.

02:18:16.000 --> 02:18:18.000
jeffreygarner: Painted themselves blue.

02:18:19.000 --> 02:18:27.000
jeffreygarner: So they're using woad right? And um. And in other countries they're using indigo. Why were they paying themselves blue? It wasn't just for intimidation. It's because when they got.

02:18:27.000 --> 02:18:29.000
jeffreygarner: We've got cut.

02:18:29.000 --> 02:18:32.000
jeffreygarner: By a rusty iron sword or knife.

02:18:32.000 --> 02:18:34.000
jeffreygarner: It would keep them from getting infected.

02:18:34.000 --> 02:18:36.000
jeffreygarner: It would kill the bacteria.

02:18:36.000 --> 02:18:40.000
jeffreygarner: So there you go there. It shows you a perfect example in history.

02:18:42.000 --> 02:18:45.000
jeffreygarner: Uh other sick by the power.

02:18:45.000 --> 02:18:47.000
jeffreygarner: Our of the.

02:18:49.000 --> 02:18:51.000
jeffreygarner: Septic.

02:18:51.000 --> 02:18:53.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah.

02:18:54.000 --> 02:18:57.000
jeffreygarner: So anyways, this, it kind of blows your mind. But yeah, that's why. Yeah.

02:18:58.000 --> 02:19:00.000
jeffreygarner: And older than I look to.

02:19:03.000 --> 02:19:05.000
jeffreygarner: So I'd say it does.

02:19:05.000 --> 02:19:07.000
jeffreygarner: Does do something to your body.

02:19:12.000 --> 02:19:15.000
Courtney Barriger: This Wi-fi is driving me crazy.

02:19:12.000 --> 02:19:13.000
jeffreygarner: So.

02:19:15.000 --> 02:19:17.000
jeffreygarner: Oh! Is it.

02:19:19.000 --> 02:19:21.000
Courtney Barriger: I can hear you fine, but you're.

02:19:22.000 --> 02:19:24.000
Courtney Barriger: Jumping here, jumping there.

02:19:23.000 --> 02:19:25.000
jeffreygarner: Hmm.

02:19:25.000 --> 02:19:27.000
jeffreygarner: Now no.

02:19:27.000 --> 02:19:31.000
jeffreygarner: I need to. Is it on my end or your end? You think.

02:19:32.000 --> 02:19:37.000
Courtney Barriger: Who who knows? At this point I probably my end is jungle. Wi-fi.

02:19:38.000 --> 02:19:43.000
jeffreygarner: Let's see, let me get closer to my thing up on the beach, but.

02:19:43.000 --> 02:19:45.000
jeffreygarner: No, no.

02:19:46.000 --> 02:19:47.000
jeffreygarner: Uh.

02:19:48.000 --> 02:19:50.000
jeffreygarner: Here, I'll try this.

02:19:52.000 --> 02:19:54.000
jeffreygarner: How am I now?

02:19:56.000 --> 02:19:58.000
Courtney Barriger: Actually pretty good.

02:19:57.000 --> 02:19:59.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah, is this better?

02:20:00.000 --> 02:20:02.000
Courtney Barriger: Yeah.

02:20:01.000 --> 02:20:04.000
jeffreygarner: Okay, cool. Um, I can start over a bit.

02:20:04.000 --> 02:20:07.000
jeffreygarner: I'll just end it with this part. So the.

02:20:07.000 --> 02:20:16.000
jeffreygarner: So here's a cool example of how plant-based dyes and colors like helped heal you. So back in the day in history, like you saw the Braveheart, the blue, then to go.

02:20:17.000 --> 02:20:21.000
jeffreygarner: Um. That technically, wasn't that time period. They took liberty, which I love.

02:20:21.000 --> 02:20:24.000
jeffreygarner: Because everyone remembers it, but it was the pics who used it in battle.

02:20:25.000 --> 02:20:29.000
jeffreygarner: Before, and they paint themselves, and the reason they would use woad.

02:20:29.000 --> 02:20:32.000
jeffreygarner: Um is because it had healing properties. So.

02:20:32.000 --> 02:20:37.000
jeffreygarner: When they would get stabbed by that rusty sword or knife.

02:20:37.000 --> 02:20:43.000
jeffreygarner: It would keep them from getting infected right? So that anti antibacterial properties to it so.

02:20:43.000 --> 02:20:48.000
jeffreygarner: I do believe that you know these these plant-based diets carry that through.

02:20:48.000 --> 02:20:55.000
jeffreygarner: Um. So I, for example, I've never. I look at people's skin all the time. It's weird. You see me staring at you.

02:20:55.000 --> 02:20:59.000
jeffreygarner: Either I'm looking at your clothes or just kidding um, but.

02:20:59.000 --> 02:21:02.000
jeffreygarner: You know, people. Most guys are flaky.

02:21:02.000 --> 02:21:04.000
jeffreygarner: When I look at their skin they got their sleeve rolled up.

02:21:04.000 --> 02:21:13.000
jeffreygarner: And I can see the top of their arm. I've never had flaky skin in my life now it's not just more. It's not the moisturizer things. Sometimes. I don't use moisturizer. I don't have.

02:21:13.000 --> 02:21:18.000
jeffreygarner: Too. Um, which is another thing. So why do I not have to use moisturizer ever.

02:21:19.000 --> 02:21:24.000
jeffreygarner: And they do well think about it. They're wearing these poplin starched.

02:21:24.000 --> 02:21:26.000
jeffreygarner: Button up shirts for work.

02:21:27.000 --> 02:21:31.000
jeffreygarner: What starch going to do? It's going to suck the oxygen out. It's going to dry your skin.

02:21:32.000 --> 02:21:40.000
jeffreygarner: So, for example, the denim factories, and you know that manufacture in Zing Tang, which I've been and filmed Pearl River flows like dead.

02:21:40.000 --> 02:21:44.000
jeffreygarner: Because of the denim industry starts, starts the denim.

02:21:44.000 --> 02:21:48.000
jeffreygarner: Sucks all the oxygen out of the water, so it kills everything.

02:21:48.000 --> 02:21:52.000
jeffreygarner: Again. Just science. So what does it do when you put it on your body?

02:21:52.000 --> 02:21:55.000
jeffreygarner: Your legs are dry from wearing denim.

02:21:55.000 --> 02:21:56.000
Courtney Barriger: Hmm.

02:21:55.000 --> 02:21:58.000
jeffreygarner: Right. So I've never had to wear.

02:21:59.000 --> 02:22:05.000
jeffreygarner: You know, and then you're putting usually a chemical lotion on your body. So it's like we're getting constantly bombarded.

02:22:05.000 --> 02:22:10.000
jeffreygarner: Your body doesn't have time to get rid of it to detox. And that's when the bioaccumulation happens.

02:22:11.000 --> 02:22:16.000
jeffreygarner: And that's when it acts out in a disease or or getting sick. Cedric's. It's had enough.

02:22:16.000 --> 02:22:18.000
jeffreygarner: So.

02:22:18.000 --> 02:22:21.000
Courtney Barriger: Yeah, actually, I've stopped wearing denim.

02:22:21.000 --> 02:22:25.000
Courtney Barriger: Uh, not just because I'm in tulum, and it's hot. But it was for that reason I just.

02:22:25.000 --> 02:22:26.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah.

02:22:26.000 --> 02:22:31.000
Courtney Barriger: Kept having the same dryness, the same areas that were itchy and dry. I'm like something's not right here.

02:22:31.000 --> 02:22:38.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah, look at guys, you know, and I'm a i'm a cowboy. I ride horses every day, but I wear my hemp chauffeur pants, and whatever people.

02:22:38.000 --> 02:22:40.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah, sorry I can't wear the wranglers.

02:22:40.000 --> 02:22:45.000
jeffreygarner: But you know, I remember as a kid I used to, but all my Guy friends would wear them.

02:22:45.000 --> 02:22:47.000
jeffreygarner: Look at their knees.

02:22:47.000 --> 02:22:50.000
jeffreygarner: They're all dried out because they're rubbing so.

02:22:50.000 --> 02:22:56.000
jeffreygarner: Something we also mentioned in the Doc. And one of the scientists mentions it says, You know, we get these chemicals from abrasion.

02:22:58.000 --> 02:23:04.000
jeffreygarner: So there is a there is a also in our book and the Doc. It talks about the Delta airlines, uniform stuff, and one guy.

02:23:04.000 --> 02:23:07.000
jeffreygarner: Would just get it from rubbing his hands on his pants.

02:23:08.000 --> 02:23:12.000
jeffreygarner: The chemicals. Right? So imagine wherever you're rubbing the denim.

02:23:12.000 --> 02:23:14.000
jeffreygarner: On your knees when you're riding.

02:23:14.000 --> 02:23:17.000
jeffreygarner: Why is your knee bald? Why is it dry?

02:23:18.000 --> 02:23:20.000
jeffreygarner: Hair follicles again, is receiving it in.

02:23:20.000 --> 02:23:30.000
jeffreygarner: Right? So you really can break this stuff down if you analyze it, which I do, and then you break it down with signs. You're like, Okay, yeah, that makes perfect sense. We just haven't.

02:23:30.000 --> 02:23:33.000
jeffreygarner: Talked about it. We haven't put this together.

02:23:33.000 --> 02:23:38.000
jeffreygarner: And that's why I go back. I didn't write a book to write a book. I I give you.

02:23:38.000 --> 02:23:43.000
jeffreygarner: Full respect, because I that process right in a book. I did it, and like.

02:23:43.000 --> 02:23:46.000
jeffreygarner: I think, 4 nights whatever. And then I had at.

02:23:47.000 --> 02:23:51.000
jeffreygarner: I hired an editor to help me cause my thoughts were going nuts.

02:23:51.000 --> 02:23:54.000
jeffreygarner: And anyways, and it was great.

02:23:51.000 --> 02:23:52.000
Courtney Barriger: Mhm.

02:23:55.000 --> 02:24:00.000
jeffreygarner: But to get all this in one place. So the synergy was there.

02:24:00.000 --> 02:24:09.000
jeffreygarner: And that's that's and putting it together once you put it together, then you view life differently, and then you can see it for what it is. And then you're like, Oh, wow! Okay.

02:24:09.000 --> 02:24:11.000
jeffreygarner: This is how it all connects.

02:24:11.000 --> 02:24:15.000
jeffreygarner: And and that's why I wrote it, not for anything other than.

02:24:15.000 --> 02:24:17.000
jeffreygarner: It's like a manual. I call it a handbook.

02:24:18.000 --> 02:24:20.000
jeffreygarner: More or less. Um.

02:24:20.000 --> 02:24:22.000
jeffreygarner: Which I'm going to constantly update to.

02:24:23.000 --> 02:24:25.000
jeffreygarner: Um. But yeah, anyways.

02:24:25.000 --> 02:24:27.000
Courtney Barriger: It's all. Let them be naked.

02:24:27.000 --> 02:24:30.000
jeffreygarner: It's also called, let them be naked. Yeah, it's out on.

02:24:29.000 --> 02:24:31.000
Courtney Barriger: Easy. Okay.

02:24:30.000 --> 02:24:39.000
jeffreygarner: It's on Apple, it's on Amazon. It's at your local bookstore. I got my friends Publishing Company to to do it. It's called Ingram, and they just yeah, they're awesome.

02:24:39.000 --> 02:24:43.000
jeffreygarner: And that way everyone can have access to it. But obviously I love.

02:24:44.000 --> 02:24:48.000
jeffreygarner: Small town bookstores so they can. They can get it from them, too.

02:24:48.000 --> 02:24:50.000
jeffreygarner: But yeah.

02:24:50.000 --> 02:24:53.000
Courtney Barriger: It's amazing. Um.

02:24:53.000 --> 02:24:55.000
Courtney Barriger: Okay. You know what I think. We're gonna do a part 2.

02:24:56.000 --> 02:24:58.000
Courtney Barriger: Because I do.

02:24:56.000 --> 02:24:58.000
jeffreygarner: You gotta go to dinner.

02:24:58.000 --> 02:25:00.000
Courtney Barriger: Yeah, I do. I'm getting angry.

02:25:01.000 --> 02:25:03.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah.

02:25:01.000 --> 02:25:04.000
Courtney Barriger: I'm like I can feel.

02:25:04.000 --> 02:25:06.000
Courtney Barriger: That.

02:25:06.000 --> 02:25:08.000
Courtney Barriger: That tiredness of needing to eat.

02:25:08.000 --> 02:25:09.000
Courtney Barriger: Um.

02:25:09.000 --> 02:25:10.000
jeffreygarner: Cool.

02:25:11.000 --> 02:25:16.000
Courtney Barriger: Cool, but I'll do a good edit over this and take out a bunch of the bumps and.

02:25:16.000 --> 02:25:18.000
jeffreygarner: Sure.

02:25:16.000 --> 02:25:19.000
Courtney Barriger: Uh, and and you know.

02:25:19.000 --> 02:25:21.000
Courtney Barriger: Make it nice and pretty.

02:25:21.000 --> 02:25:23.000
jeffreygarner: I bet you will. I've seen your stuff.

02:25:24.000 --> 02:25:28.000
Courtney Barriger: I do like beautiful things.

02:25:27.000 --> 02:25:29.000
jeffreygarner: I could tell good.

02:25:29.000 --> 02:25:36.000
Courtney Barriger: Um. So so what's next? Though, you you're gonna be designing and working and.

02:25:37.000 --> 02:25:40.000
jeffreygarner: I'm uh, yeah. Is this off the record?

02:25:41.000 --> 02:25:42.000
Courtney Barriger: Yes, yes.

02:25:41.000 --> 02:25:46.000
jeffreygarner: Okay, cool. Yeah. I'm in uh Malibu. Right now. I.

02:25:46.000 --> 02:25:55.000
jeffreygarner: Work until, like wise, you know, 5 Am. Nights so, and putting samples together because I just for some reason it's spitting out right now you can never control it. As you know, you're an artist.

02:25:56.000 --> 02:26:01.000
jeffreygarner: Um. So I leave Friday night for London. I'm going to set up the venue and.

02:26:01.000 --> 02:26:06.000
jeffreygarner: Get that all arranged. We're showing the film in a few places there for industry.

02:26:06.000 --> 02:26:11.000
jeffreygarner: And then doing a couple photo shoots and coming back.

02:26:11.000 --> 02:26:13.000
jeffreygarner: And finishing the collection, and then.

02:26:13.000 --> 02:26:20.000
jeffreygarner: Doing some farm work for a week in Tennessee and then hit London. So that's my whole focus is on the Doc release. So.

02:26:21.000 --> 02:26:25.000
jeffreygarner: It's like a it's a child. I just gotta kick out the door. It's like, Go.

02:26:25.000 --> 02:26:28.000
jeffreygarner: Go live your life, but I just can't wait to kick it out. The door.

02:26:29.000 --> 02:26:30.000
jeffreygarner: You know.

02:26:29.000 --> 02:26:31.000
Courtney Barriger: So close you're so close.

02:26:31.000 --> 02:26:36.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah, but it's broke me since then it's like, why, why do I have to take on this.

02:26:36.000 --> 02:26:41.000
jeffreygarner: Problems. You know. I would much rather live with you in tulum, and and just.

02:26:42.000 --> 02:26:44.000
jeffreygarner: Hang out and surf, and write a book, and.

02:26:44.000 --> 02:26:47.000
jeffreygarner: You know, and then have have workshops.

02:26:47.000 --> 02:26:51.000
jeffreygarner: But it's a whole new. It's interesting.

02:26:51.000 --> 02:26:55.000
jeffreygarner: And I gotta tell you that people around it are the most interesting.

02:26:55.000 --> 02:27:01.000
jeffreygarner: Like in the film film industry. And then the Eco warriors who are jealous and the.

02:27:01.000 --> 02:27:08.000
jeffreygarner: It's just been. It's been eye-opening, I'm just like, and I'm trying to keep everybody positive and focus on the positive moving forward.

02:27:08.000 --> 02:27:14.000
jeffreygarner: Like that's my. I'm basically a big cheerleader, and I'm like, I don't. I didn't sign up for this. I don't want this.

02:27:13.000 --> 02:27:15.000
Courtney Barriger: I feel the same way about.

02:27:16.000 --> 02:27:24.000
Courtney Barriger: Most things. I'm not a very jealous person in general. I'm more like, Oh, if we're here, we have the same cause. Then.

02:27:24.000 --> 02:27:27.000
Courtney Barriger: Fuck. Yes, it's only gonna make it better.

02:27:26.000 --> 02:27:28.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah, exactly.

02:27:28.000 --> 02:27:33.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah, they all wanna own it. It's all about, unfortunately, is that model of.

02:27:34.000 --> 02:27:39.000
jeffreygarner: The likes and the content. It's all that model. Everyone's trying to be the 1st and.

02:27:39.000 --> 02:27:43.000
jeffreygarner: I think we talked briefly about that Aiden wicker girl. I can't remember her name, but.

02:27:44.000 --> 02:27:47.000
jeffreygarner: He was like saying. She discovered all this, and I'm like.

02:27:47.000 --> 02:27:49.000
jeffreygarner: No people been doing this for.

02:27:49.000 --> 02:27:51.000
Courtney Barriger: No, they've been doing it for years.

02:27:49.000 --> 02:27:52.000
jeffreygarner: Before you before she was born, you know.

02:27:52.000 --> 02:27:53.000
Courtney Barriger: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:27:52.000 --> 02:27:59.000
jeffreygarner: And and she's a writer, and she's journalist, and I I get it. They want the surprise element to further their reach.

02:27:59.000 --> 02:28:04.000
jeffreygarner: Because they don't have a background in it. She's not a chemist, scientist.

02:28:04.000 --> 02:28:08.000
jeffreygarner: Designer fashion. Anything like I get it, but it's like.

02:28:09.000 --> 02:28:11.000
jeffreygarner: So that that's where it's like. So.

02:28:12.000 --> 02:28:17.000
jeffreygarner: But you can't let those guys steal the thunder. You gotta keep driving it, and then.

02:28:18.000 --> 02:28:23.000
jeffreygarner: Hopefully, everyone will get behind it, and then and then it'll and the people that do get on that.

02:28:23.000 --> 02:28:27.000
jeffreygarner: Bus, so to speak. We'll just, you know, everyone's in the film as like.

02:28:28.000 --> 02:28:32.000
jeffreygarner: They love it, they're get. They're getting new business or creating new platforms or.

02:28:32.000 --> 02:28:37.000
jeffreygarner: Our um natural doctors like creating a detox platform. It's given her.

02:28:38.000 --> 02:28:40.000
jeffreygarner: A reason, you know a platform and.

02:28:40.000 --> 02:28:51.000
jeffreygarner: It's really, really cool to see our, you know, the the scientists who got destroyed all his research and moved to a nudist farm with his wife like he's getting back in the game now.

02:28:52.000 --> 02:28:54.000
jeffreygarner: You know um.

02:28:54.000 --> 02:28:56.000
Courtney Barriger: Getting dressed again.

02:28:54.000 --> 02:29:02.000
jeffreygarner: It's cool it. Yeah, it's inspiring them to like, not give up, because they all did. But they were all fighting it individually.

02:29:02.000 --> 02:29:13.000
jeffreygarner: And and that's it. And then you get caught up like, Oh, you know, and I'm sure a thought goes through your minds like I'm in tulum. It's it's cheaper living, but it's getting more expensive. So I continue this.

02:29:14.000 --> 02:29:17.000
jeffreygarner: How do I make money on this? Where do I go? You know.

02:29:15.000 --> 02:29:19.000
Courtney Barriger: Oh, yeah, I mean, there's it almost at this point, like.

02:29:20.000 --> 02:29:23.000
Courtney Barriger: Almost on the daily. I'm sort of at a crossroads.

02:29:23.000 --> 02:29:26.000
Courtney Barriger: Where I'm like. Well, do I?

02:29:27.000 --> 02:29:31.000
Courtney Barriger: Just go into marketing full time, which I don't want to do.

02:29:31.000 --> 02:29:33.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah.

02:29:31.000 --> 02:29:33.000
Courtney Barriger: Or do I like fight this out for the next.

02:29:34.000 --> 02:29:38.000
Courtney Barriger: You know, 6 more months and get that film deal that I want for the kids.

02:29:38.000 --> 02:29:42.000
Courtney Barriger: For the kids film. I think I can do it. But now I just like.

02:29:39.000 --> 02:29:41.000
jeffreygarner: Hmm, yeah.

02:29:42.000 --> 02:29:44.000
Courtney Barriger: You know, working on that.

02:29:45.000 --> 02:29:50.000
jeffreygarner: Stick with it, and it'll happen. And if you want to go, the kid route.

02:29:50.000 --> 02:29:52.000
jeffreygarner: I think that's a great route to go.

02:29:52.000 --> 02:30:00.000
jeffreygarner: I would. You know you didn't ask my advice, but I'll give it anyways. So my my 2 cents is that I can already sense, your nature and your energy.

02:30:01.000 --> 02:30:04.000
jeffreygarner: I think your platform would be amazing with kids.

02:30:05.000 --> 02:30:12.000
jeffreygarner: And forget the adults. Focus on the kids. I had a kids collection called Sustainable kids sold in Nordstrom, and it was like night and day difference.

02:30:13.000 --> 02:30:16.000
jeffreygarner: It sold out. I was making money. They loved it.

02:30:16.000 --> 02:30:19.000
jeffreygarner: Mom's loving it. It was like I wasn't pulling teeth.

02:30:20.000 --> 02:30:22.000
jeffreygarner: It was like, Wow, okay.

02:30:22.000 --> 02:30:26.000
jeffreygarner: Forget the stubborn adults who, whatever are jaded, whatever but.

02:30:26.000 --> 02:30:33.000
jeffreygarner: Kids is where it's at. And obviously you can have impact and influence. And you look like a princess. They're going to love you.

02:30:33.000 --> 02:30:38.000
jeffreygarner: And but no, your book idea is great, you know.

02:30:38.000 --> 02:30:40.000
jeffreygarner: And that's something I will.

02:30:40.000 --> 02:30:43.000
jeffreygarner: When I'm through with what this launch I'll.

02:30:42.000 --> 02:30:46.000
Courtney Barriger: Yeah, don't you? Don't you even think about it for a second, like you have.

02:30:46.000 --> 02:30:50.000
jeffreygarner: But but hold in there, develop it further.

02:30:46.000 --> 02:30:48.000
Courtney Barriger: Too much going on.

02:30:50.000 --> 02:30:53.000
jeffreygarner: If you can. You know, it's like me focused in on like, okay, fine. I'll make.

02:30:53.000 --> 02:30:56.000
jeffreygarner: Hemp boxes for men and women, cool.

02:30:56.000 --> 02:30:59.000
jeffreygarner: Like I just focused on that made it happen. Did it.

02:30:59.000 --> 02:31:01.000
jeffreygarner: And now people are, are.

02:31:01.000 --> 02:31:03.000
jeffreygarner: Learning from that one product.

02:31:03.000 --> 02:31:05.000
jeffreygarner: You can focus on that one.

02:31:05.000 --> 02:31:08.000
jeffreygarner: You know idea with the kids. I think.

02:31:09.000 --> 02:31:14.000
jeffreygarner: I can introduce you to Susie Cameron, and she's all about the kids, cause I want to do a hemp brawl.

02:31:15.000 --> 02:31:17.000
jeffreygarner: Ah! Campaign and training, brawl.

02:31:18.000 --> 02:31:20.000
jeffreygarner: For the kids. Right?

02:31:20.000 --> 02:31:23.000
jeffreygarner: I can make it design it, talk about it, but.

02:31:23.000 --> 02:31:27.000
jeffreygarner: You know, somebody needs to like, only focus on the kids.

02:31:27.000 --> 02:31:30.000
jeffreygarner: So that's where I could see I could bring you into the fold.

02:31:30.000 --> 02:31:33.000
jeffreygarner: With what they got going on, which you know.

02:31:33.000 --> 02:31:35.000
jeffreygarner: You know they can support and.

02:31:35.000 --> 02:31:42.000
jeffreygarner: Pay for this stuff and all that stuff. And then you got a kid campaign thing going and we could do the hemp, brawn.

02:31:42.000 --> 02:31:49.000
jeffreygarner: You know all that stuff teach the girls like, and then the boys I got little boys hemp boxes like teach them about that, you know.

02:31:49.000 --> 02:31:57.000
jeffreygarner: But next to your skin, and you know those, your book can be a catalyst for that. And you do a little. You know, film about that, and then.

02:31:57.000 --> 02:32:01.000
jeffreygarner: You know. Keep that that animated thing you wanted to do, and.

02:32:01.000 --> 02:32:10.000
jeffreygarner: But the focus being that marketplace and implemented in schools, you know, and get the monastery schools going. Get all the classical schools going.

02:32:11.000 --> 02:32:16.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah, but that's what I that's what I would build out. And if you can build that out.

02:32:12.000 --> 02:32:14.000
Courtney Barriger: Yeah.

02:32:17.000 --> 02:32:22.000
jeffreygarner: In the meantime, when you're ready, then I can do the intro to Susie, and be like. By the way.

02:32:22.000 --> 02:32:28.000
jeffreygarner: She helped push our film out, and as a part of that, and here's her book. She's like-minded and.

02:32:28.000 --> 02:32:34.000
jeffreygarner: She's part of us. But she wants to focus on kids because I know they're looking for someone to focus on kids.

02:32:37.000 --> 02:32:40.000
Courtney Barriger: Well, honestly, it would be.

02:32:42.000 --> 02:32:44.000
Courtney Barriger: My pleasure, like.

02:32:44.000 --> 02:32:46.000
Courtney Barriger: I I'm a little bit um.

02:32:47.000 --> 02:32:53.000
Courtney Barriger: Um, yeah, a little bit burnt out on human nature a little bit uh.

02:32:52.000 --> 02:32:54.000
jeffreygarner: I can, I can tell.

02:32:54.000 --> 02:32:57.000
Courtney Barriger: I mean, I'm hiding in the jungle a little bit.

02:32:57.000 --> 02:32:59.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah, that helps.

02:32:58.000 --> 02:33:01.000
Courtney Barriger: Yeah, that helps. But um.

02:33:01.000 --> 02:33:04.000
Courtney Barriger: Every time I come back out I'm like what is.

02:33:04.000 --> 02:33:09.000
Courtney Barriger: What the fuck is going on with people in the world like? Did everyone drink the crazy juice like.

02:33:09.000 --> 02:33:12.000
Courtney Barriger: I can't. I can't make sense of it. But um.

02:33:12.000 --> 02:33:17.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah, don't. Don't look at it. Yeah, just look at where you can help, which is kids and redirect them.

02:33:16.000 --> 02:33:18.000
Courtney Barriger: Yeah, yeah.

02:33:17.000 --> 02:33:19.000
jeffreygarner: You know. Quick.

02:33:18.000 --> 02:33:26.000
Courtney Barriger: I mean, I hang out with my nephews and my nieces, and we've always just had the most quick sidekick connection.

02:33:26.000 --> 02:33:30.000
Courtney Barriger: Pretty much with all kids and all animals like that's just like my nature.

02:33:30.000 --> 02:33:34.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah. That's then I would focus on that. That's where you.

02:33:34.000 --> 02:33:36.000
jeffreygarner: You know your heart is, that's where it should be.

02:33:36.000 --> 02:33:38.000
jeffreygarner: You just gotta figure out how to how to.

02:33:37.000 --> 02:33:39.000
Courtney Barriger: Yeah.

02:33:38.000 --> 02:33:40.000
jeffreygarner: Morph, your your.

02:33:40.000 --> 02:33:43.000
jeffreygarner: You know your platform into that only.

02:33:44.000 --> 02:33:46.000
Courtney Barriger: Yeah, well, I'm kind of.

02:33:44.000 --> 02:33:46.000
jeffreygarner: You know.

02:33:47.000 --> 02:33:50.000
Courtney Barriger: Conceptualizing that at the moment.

02:33:50.000 --> 02:33:56.000
jeffreygarner: Cause I'm not leaving alone. This is this is step one step 2 is, I'm gonna go deeper like, I'm gonna go into kids, uniforms.

02:33:57.000 --> 02:33:59.000
jeffreygarner: You know, I'm gonna go after.

02:33:58.000 --> 02:34:00.000
Courtney Barriger: Yeah.

02:33:59.000 --> 02:34:01.000
jeffreygarner: I'm gonna go after that hardcore.

02:34:01.000 --> 02:34:07.000
jeffreygarner: So yeah, there, there's a there's a kid element to it, because kids shouldn't go to school and get poisoned.

02:34:10.000 --> 02:34:11.000
Courtney Barriger: I know.

02:34:11.000 --> 02:34:14.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah. So that's huge. But I don't want to even tap that yet, because I'm.

02:34:15.000 --> 02:34:20.000
jeffreygarner: Not capable handling, and I'd hate somebody else to twist it and turn it into something else. But yeah.

02:34:20.000 --> 02:34:25.000
jeffreygarner: But we got all this test results back from my own daughter's school uniforms. It just blows your mind.

02:34:26.000 --> 02:34:33.000
jeffreygarner: And she was required wouldn't be allowed to go to school. I'd lose money taking her out of school. Private Christian school.

02:34:33.000 --> 02:34:40.000
jeffreygarner: And then um! So I had a dresser underneath natural clothing, but still off gases.

02:34:40.000 --> 02:34:42.000
jeffreygarner: And the nostrils so.

02:34:42.000 --> 02:34:53.000
jeffreygarner: You know. So that's but I want to be well prepared by then. But by then we've already won one war, so then we'll be like more of a threat for this other stuff. Then we're just like power driving.

02:34:54.000 --> 02:34:56.000
jeffreygarner: So it's like.

02:34:58.000 --> 02:35:00.000
jeffreygarner: That's that's that's the idea. So.

02:35:00.000 --> 02:35:02.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah, I could see that being like.

02:35:03.000 --> 02:35:05.000
jeffreygarner: Phase, 2. So.

02:35:06.000 --> 02:35:08.000
Courtney Barriger: Yeah, I uh.

02:35:09.000 --> 02:35:15.000
Courtney Barriger: I've got a good start, that's for sure. I've talked to a couple of uh players over there, and.

02:35:11.000 --> 02:35:12.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah.

02:35:15.000 --> 02:35:20.000
Courtney Barriger: The old Hollywood. Uh! I've got a friend who who is like the head of children's division at Sony.

02:35:21.000 --> 02:35:31.000
Courtney Barriger: And um! I met him before he was doing that, actually. And I was like, Hey, just take a look at this. I I already have 1.5 million euros that I can match.

02:35:31.000 --> 02:35:34.000
Courtney Barriger: That comes from the the Luxembourg thing.

02:35:34.000 --> 02:35:36.000
Courtney Barriger: Uh.

02:35:36.000 --> 02:35:38.000
Courtney Barriger: Let's see what we can do.

02:35:38.000 --> 02:35:43.000
Courtney Barriger: You know, and he's he's looking at it just out of a pure curiosity because of the film industry's.

02:35:43.000 --> 02:35:47.000
Courtney Barriger: You know it's a mess, and so he's like, Oh, well.

02:35:45.000 --> 02:35:47.000
jeffreygarner: Hmm.

02:35:47.000 --> 02:35:51.000
Courtney Barriger: Yeah, you think you can get funding from Luxembourg? Tell me more.

02:35:52.000 --> 02:35:54.000
jeffreygarner: That's all they want. Yeah, that perks their ears.

02:35:54.000 --> 02:36:04.000
Courtney Barriger: Yeah, exactly. They're like, huh! It's possible. Maybe we can make this happen. I would I would take this on purely as an as an experiment, but also he likes the he likes the concept, too.

02:35:54.000 --> 02:35:55.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah.

02:35:57.000 --> 02:35:58.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah.

02:36:05.000 --> 02:36:11.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah, that's it. I mean, that's the name of the game. If you can get people on your team and and stack them, then then you know, everyone.

02:36:05.000 --> 02:36:07.000
Courtney Barriger: Um.

02:36:07.000 --> 02:36:09.000
Courtney Barriger: Yeah.

02:36:11.000 --> 02:36:16.000
jeffreygarner: Like, Oh, who's your 1st pick? Okay, yeah, I'll do it, you know, that's that whole game. But.

02:36:16.000 --> 02:36:20.000
jeffreygarner: Is the Luxembourg thing, is it pretty as far as your.

02:36:20.000 --> 02:36:24.000
jeffreygarner: Gut? Is it a hundred percent kind of deal, or is there kind of.

02:36:25.000 --> 02:36:27.000
jeffreygarner: Is it.

02:36:27.000 --> 02:36:29.000
Courtney Barriger: It's not totally locked in yet, but um.

02:36:28.000 --> 02:36:32.000
jeffreygarner: Okay, but you you have. You trust it.

02:36:33.000 --> 02:36:36.000
Courtney Barriger: Yeah, I've talked to the film fund, and I've talked to.

02:36:36.000 --> 02:36:39.000
Courtney Barriger: 10 different production companies there, that.

02:36:39.000 --> 02:36:43.000
Courtney Barriger: Basically said all the same thing. One of them is a lot more.

02:36:43.000 --> 02:36:48.000
Courtney Barriger: A lot more interested, and they they have all the credits behind them, I mean cams and.

02:36:46.000 --> 02:36:47.000
jeffreygarner: Okay.

02:36:48.000 --> 02:36:52.000
Courtney Barriger: Tribeca blah blah blah! They've got it all um.

02:36:51.000 --> 02:36:53.000
jeffreygarner: So they would produce it and get the money.

02:36:52.000 --> 02:36:56.000
Courtney Barriger: Yeah, yeah, they would. They would produce it. Get.

02:36:56.000 --> 02:36:59.000
Courtney Barriger: The Luxembourg Fund, and then we'd have to match it with something else.

02:37:01.000 --> 02:37:05.000
jeffreygarner: And is there a reason why you didn't go to Luxembourg Fund directly.

02:37:06.000 --> 02:37:09.000
Courtney Barriger: Um. I did go directly.

02:37:08.000 --> 02:37:10.000
jeffreygarner: And.

02:37:09.000 --> 02:37:14.000
Courtney Barriger: And the reason is because I would have needed to live there for 2 years.

02:37:14.000 --> 02:37:19.000
Courtney Barriger: Ah! Gone to a school in Luxembourg, and then also have won a prestigious award.

02:37:20.000 --> 02:37:21.000
Courtney Barriger: So.

02:37:20.000 --> 02:37:22.000
jeffreygarner: Got it. Okay, fair.

02:37:25.000 --> 02:37:27.000
jeffreygarner: All right.

02:37:25.000 --> 02:37:28.000
Courtney Barriger: I can work. I can work backward from that a little bit. I could think.

02:37:29.000 --> 02:37:39.000
Courtney Barriger: The the school part. The school part um was like an was like a an additive, but I mean, I was like, what if I just get an address there. I pay a little rent.

02:37:29.000 --> 02:37:30.000
jeffreygarner: Sure.

02:37:34.000 --> 02:37:36.000
jeffreygarner: Hmm.

02:37:39.000 --> 02:37:41.000
jeffreygarner: Hmm, yeah.

02:37:39.000 --> 02:37:41.000
Courtney Barriger: Uh.

02:37:41.000 --> 02:37:44.000
Courtney Barriger: I have won an award, but it's not prestigious.

02:37:44.000 --> 02:37:47.000
Courtney Barriger: It's like just a small film festival.

02:37:47.000 --> 02:37:49.000
jeffreygarner: Got it? Well.

02:37:49.000 --> 02:37:52.000
jeffreygarner: Okay. Well, in the meantime, yeah.

02:37:52.000 --> 02:38:00.000
jeffreygarner: Try to try to put that all together, all the all, the kind of everything you got going, and then, plus your loose ends, and what you need.

02:38:00.000 --> 02:38:05.000
jeffreygarner: And that will frame it up. And then when I'm through this launch part, then we can.

02:38:05.000 --> 02:38:08.000
jeffreygarner: Turn quickly to phase 2, and then.

02:38:08.000 --> 02:38:11.000
jeffreygarner: Cause I'm gonna you know, address it.

02:38:11.000 --> 02:38:15.000
jeffreygarner: And a and a probably a short Doc style. The the kid uniform stuff.

02:38:16.000 --> 02:38:18.000
jeffreygarner: But this could play.

02:38:16.000 --> 02:38:18.000
Courtney Barriger: Mhm.

02:38:18.000 --> 02:38:27.000
jeffreygarner: Off of that in an educational realm, right? Because the short, the the short, would be in film festivals and just raise awareness. But the your.

02:38:27.000 --> 02:38:30.000
jeffreygarner: Piece would be an educational world.

02:38:30.000 --> 02:38:32.000
jeffreygarner: And help, drive.

02:38:32.000 --> 02:38:34.000
jeffreygarner: All that stuff. So.

02:38:35.000 --> 02:38:36.000
jeffreygarner: Um.

02:38:36.000 --> 02:38:39.000
Courtney Barriger: It'd be like um fern gully, or.

02:38:38.000 --> 02:38:40.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah.

02:38:39.000 --> 02:38:41.000
Courtney Barriger: Exactly. Yup.

02:38:40.000 --> 02:38:45.000
jeffreygarner: Exactly, and then you could continue. It could be a continual thing addressing other things as well.

02:38:45.000 --> 02:38:48.000
Courtney Barriger: I mean I I've already written it as.

02:38:45.000 --> 02:38:47.000
jeffreygarner: You know.

02:38:49.000 --> 02:38:52.000
Courtney Barriger: A trilogy. But um! And that's just.

02:38:50.000 --> 02:38:53.000
jeffreygarner: There you go. There, you see your yeah.

02:38:53.000 --> 02:38:58.000
Courtney Barriger: In part in part because the Sony Guy was like, Oh, well, make this as a you know.

02:38:58.000 --> 02:39:04.000
Courtney Barriger: Years ago. I wrote this years ago, but he's like develop it as a series. So I wrote it as a series.

02:39:04.000 --> 02:39:06.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah.

02:39:04.000 --> 02:39:06.000
Courtney Barriger: With 4 Seasons.

02:39:07.000 --> 02:39:14.000
Courtney Barriger: And then I put it aside and then decided like, I don't think the series is the way to go anymore with the market today.

02:39:15.000 --> 02:39:16.000
jeffreygarner: Hmm.

02:39:15.000 --> 02:39:20.000
Courtney Barriger: So now it's back to a book with like a trilogy, which is what I always wanted it to be.

02:39:21.000 --> 02:39:23.000
jeffreygarner: Cool. Amazing. Well.

02:39:25.000 --> 02:39:32.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah, that in the meantime, also, I can put you in touch with my Buddy Joe, who ran animation studios that.

02:39:32.000 --> 02:39:33.000
jeffreygarner: Disney.

02:39:34.000 --> 02:39:40.000
jeffreygarner: So he'll be a good guy. He's like I said. He's a dear friend. He's like a big brother.

02:39:40.000 --> 02:39:46.000
jeffreygarner: And there's no business thing at all with him. He'll just like give you free, amazing advice.

02:39:46.000 --> 02:39:53.000
jeffreygarner: Tell you if he can help, not help whatever. But just I'll prep him, I'll say, listen! We're we're talking about doing something together, and.

02:39:53.000 --> 02:39:55.000
jeffreygarner: He knows all about.

02:39:55.000 --> 02:39:58.000
jeffreygarner: What I'm doing. The cameras and.

02:39:58.000 --> 02:40:02.000
jeffreygarner: The film and all that stuff. So he's well versed.

02:40:03.000 --> 02:40:05.000
jeffreygarner: And yeah.

02:40:05.000 --> 02:40:11.000
jeffreygarner: And I'll I'll get you guys connected immediately, and then if you come out to Cali, he's here, Malibu as well.

02:40:11.000 --> 02:40:15.000
jeffreygarner: So that's another reason you could come. Spend some face time with him.

02:40:15.000 --> 02:40:19.000
jeffreygarner: But he'd be a good guy to have on your team, and that cause he knows.

02:40:19.000 --> 02:40:21.000
jeffreygarner: Everything about that world.

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Courtney Barriger: That'd be incredible.

02:40:22.000 --> 02:40:25.000
jeffreygarner: And it's and it's it is trustworthy.

02:40:25.000 --> 02:40:29.000
jeffreygarner: Um. So that's that, and I don't know about.

02:40:30.000 --> 02:40:37.000
jeffreygarner: The Soho thing. I'll follow up with them. I'm gonna go over there tomorrow for meetings. So I'm gonna talk with them and say, hey? Can you guys settle on a date.

02:40:37.000 --> 02:40:39.000
jeffreygarner: Ideally for me.

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jeffreygarner: If we're gonna do that, it'd be the 1st part of August.

02:40:45.000 --> 02:40:47.000
jeffreygarner: But um.

02:40:48.000 --> 02:40:50.000
jeffreygarner: But yeah, use.

02:40:48.000 --> 02:40:52.000
Courtney Barriger: Why don't we? Just why don't we just push it to later? It's not.

02:40:52.000 --> 02:40:55.000
jeffreygarner: When are you? When are you coming? Is there a set date? You're coming.

02:40:52.000 --> 02:40:53.000
Courtney Barriger: Um.

02:40:55.000 --> 02:40:57.000
Courtney Barriger: No, I don't have any.

02:40:58.000 --> 02:41:00.000
jeffreygarner: Oh, okay. I thought thought you were a house setting or something.

02:40:58.000 --> 02:40:59.000
Courtney Barriger: Set.

02:41:01.000 --> 02:41:04.000
Courtney Barriger: Um I was going to, but.

02:41:06.000 --> 02:41:10.000
Courtney Barriger: I felt like, for some reason, that I need to be here. I don't know why my intuition is saying.

02:41:09.000 --> 02:41:10.000
jeffreygarner: Okay.

02:41:10.000 --> 02:41:11.000
Courtney Barriger: But.

02:41:11.000 --> 02:41:16.000
jeffreygarner: Cool. Well, let me check with, let me check with them, and see.

02:41:13.000 --> 02:41:14.000
Courtney Barriger: Yeah.

02:41:17.000 --> 02:41:29.000
jeffreygarner: What they're looking at like, I said. It's weird in the summertime, is like all tourists to go there and and like out of towners, and like the local group that I would want to see the film and be a part of our book thing usually come back in September.

02:41:29.000 --> 02:41:31.000
jeffreygarner: Like, after the kids come back to school.

02:41:32.000 --> 02:41:34.000
jeffreygarner: Um.

02:41:33.000 --> 02:41:35.000
Courtney Barriger: They all come. Everyone comes back from Europe.

02:41:35.000 --> 02:41:38.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah, exactly. So you know it. Yeah.

02:41:35.000 --> 02:41:37.000
Courtney Barriger: Um. Yeah.

02:41:38.000 --> 02:41:41.000
Courtney Barriger: So let's just wait. Let's wait until after.

02:41:38.000 --> 02:41:39.000
jeffreygarner: But.

02:41:41.000 --> 02:41:43.000
jeffreygarner: Okay.

02:41:41.000 --> 02:41:45.000
Courtney Barriger: I'm in. I'm in no rush. Actually, this gives me more time to kind of.

02:41:46.000 --> 02:41:50.000
Courtney Barriger: Gather. I have got. My brain's going crazy like.

02:41:51.000 --> 02:41:53.000
Courtney Barriger: I'm doing like 6 different projects that.

02:41:53.000 --> 02:41:55.000
jeffreygarner: Good.

02:41:54.000 --> 02:41:57.000
Courtney Barriger: You know, wrapping some up.

02:41:56.000 --> 02:41:58.000
jeffreygarner: Good.

02:41:57.000 --> 02:42:00.000
Courtney Barriger: Inventing new ones by the day.

02:42:00.000 --> 02:42:01.000
Courtney Barriger: Um.

02:42:02.000 --> 02:42:04.000
Courtney Barriger: So I'm happy, waiting.

02:42:05.000 --> 02:42:08.000
jeffreygarner: Good, so are you. Naturally, Redhead.

02:42:09.000 --> 02:42:11.000
Courtney Barriger: No, I'm like dirty, blonde.

02:42:11.000 --> 02:42:14.000
jeffreygarner: Okay, cool. What's your? What's your roots? What's your background?

02:42:12.000 --> 02:42:14.000
Courtney Barriger: Yeah.

02:42:15.000 --> 02:42:18.000
Courtney Barriger: Um little bit of.

02:42:18.000 --> 02:42:22.000
Courtney Barriger: Just a European mutt. So France, Germany, England.

02:42:20.000 --> 02:42:21.000
jeffreygarner: Mhm.

02:42:22.000 --> 02:42:25.000
Courtney Barriger: Scotland, Florida.

02:42:22.000 --> 02:42:24.000
jeffreygarner: Where'd you grow up.

02:42:25.000 --> 02:42:27.000
jeffreygarner: That's right. You told me that. Yeah.

02:42:26.000 --> 02:42:30.000
Courtney Barriger: Northeast worth. Yeah, I was home schooled. So that's why I'm.

02:42:31.000 --> 02:42:33.000
Courtney Barriger: Don't seem like a Floridian, or like.

02:42:33.000 --> 02:42:37.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah, that that makes sense, that makes sense.

02:42:34.000 --> 02:42:36.000
Courtney Barriger: Yeah. The homeschool part.

02:42:37.000 --> 02:42:40.000
jeffreygarner: Cool, amazing.

02:42:40.000 --> 02:42:44.000
jeffreygarner: And makes sense. Why, you want an educational element for the kids, too, as well.

02:42:40.000 --> 02:42:41.000
Courtney Barriger: Yeah.

02:42:44.000 --> 02:42:50.000
Courtney Barriger: Yeah, I mean, I, my mom basically raised me. And we had all these experimental.

02:42:51.000 --> 02:42:53.000
Courtney Barriger: Like textbooks that.

02:42:53.000 --> 02:42:56.000
Courtney Barriger: I thought were pretty cool. Um.

02:42:56.000 --> 02:43:01.000
Courtney Barriger: And when I was in high school, that's what I wanted to do. I'm like, I'm going to make textbooks for for kids.

02:43:01.000 --> 02:43:02.000
Courtney Barriger: And.

02:43:03.000 --> 02:43:08.000
Courtney Barriger: That was one dream that totally disappeared, and then kind of came back in the form of fictions.

02:43:10.000 --> 02:43:11.000
Courtney Barriger: Even more fun.

02:43:11.000 --> 02:43:13.000
jeffreygarner: Amazing.

02:43:12.000 --> 02:43:14.000
Courtney Barriger: Way, more fun.

02:43:14.000 --> 02:43:16.000
jeffreygarner: Hold on!

02:43:18.000 --> 02:43:20.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah, I love it. Love it.

02:43:21.000 --> 02:43:24.000
Courtney Barriger: Um well, congratulations on the.

02:43:24.000 --> 02:43:27.000
Courtney Barriger: On the king. Wow!

02:43:30.000 --> 02:43:31.000
jeffreygarner: I think.

02:43:32.000 --> 02:43:37.000
jeffreygarner: Um. Yeah, yeah, no, he's he's been in a supporter, and and.

02:43:38.000 --> 02:43:41.000
jeffreygarner: I wouldn't say, friend, but acquaintance for a long time.

02:43:42.000 --> 02:43:43.000
jeffreygarner: So.

02:43:46.000 --> 02:43:49.000
jeffreygarner: So it's good. So it's good to finally get everyone.

02:43:50.000 --> 02:43:52.000
jeffreygarner: Around, I just just yeah.

02:43:52.000 --> 02:43:55.000
jeffreygarner: Just hope I can ignite it, and everyone.

02:43:56.000 --> 02:43:59.000
jeffreygarner: You know, marches at the same time. That's the goal.

02:44:00.000 --> 02:44:02.000
jeffreygarner: Not that it just. It just loses its seam.

02:44:03.000 --> 02:44:04.000
jeffreygarner: So.

02:44:06.000 --> 02:44:10.000
jeffreygarner: But, alright, darling, we'll um go to your go get your dinner.

02:44:11.000 --> 02:44:13.000
jeffreygarner: Sorry I kept you.

02:44:14.000 --> 02:44:16.000
jeffreygarner: Thanks for making it happen, and.

02:44:16.000 --> 02:44:18.000
jeffreygarner: We'll talk soon.

02:44:18.000 --> 02:44:20.000
Courtney Barriger: Yeah, no, thank you. And.

02:44:20.000 --> 02:44:23.000
Courtney Barriger: Yeah, we kind of broke up for a second, but um.

02:44:20.000 --> 02:44:22.000
jeffreygarner: Or am I? Am I losing it?

02:44:23.000 --> 02:44:26.000
jeffreygarner: Okay, yeah, I was just saying, Get your dinner. And but yeah, we'll talk soon. And.

02:44:26.000 --> 02:44:30.000
jeffreygarner: If I don't connect you with Joe tomorrow, just text me and say, Hey, Jeff.

02:44:30.000 --> 02:44:33.000
jeffreygarner: Tag me to Joe, and then I'll do it quickly.

02:44:31.000 --> 02:44:34.000
Courtney Barriger: I I will! I will! I will!

02:44:33.000 --> 02:44:35.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah, cool.

02:44:35.000 --> 02:44:38.000
Courtney Barriger: Alright! Enjoy your sunset. I'll talk to you soon.

02:44:37.000 --> 02:44:39.000
jeffreygarner: Yeah, I'm gonna go for a quick surf. Alright. See you now.

02:44:39.000 --> 02:44:41.000
Courtney Barriger: Alright, that's it! Bye.

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jeffreygarner: Bye.