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Watson (S02E08)
“Livvy Sees the Doctor” is the eighth installment of Watson’s 20-episode second season. It’s written into the contract of every hospital drama that there must be a hostage episode, and this was theirs.
On the podcast, we discuss Fitz, a troubled vet whose daughter has been bounced from misdiagnosis to mystery illness for months on end. Not anymore. Strapped into a handmade explosive suit with a dead-man’s trigger, Fitz is demanding answers.
Between twists, wild medical leaps, neck stabs, and a huge narcissist, we break down the episode’s best and worst moments, dig into the characters, and land on our ultimate rating.
Tune in and enjoy!
Welcome to today's episode, the podcast where we discuss the most recent installment of a different series every show. We're coming down to the end of the year. In a few weeks, we're gonna have our best of, worst of, but there's still a few more shows to go. It is Friday, December 5th in 2002. December 5th of 2002, Lord of the Rings, The Two Towers came out that day. But I don't want to talk about that 2002 movie. I want to talk about another 2002 movie, Like Mike. Like Mike?
SPEAKER_01:The story about the kid who has the shoes and like terms of Michael Jordan's. Michael Jordan's.
SPEAKER_00:Michael Jordan. The funny thing about that movie is Michael Jordan had come back to play basketball. He was playing basketball during the time that movie was out and he never made a cameo. And we knew he likes to do kids' movies because of Space Jam. Space Jam, right? But you got Lil Bow Wow. And then who else do you got? You got Jesse Plumins, right? Yeah, I remember as a kid. But as the person that Lil Bow Wow was like on the team with, you know, his like elder role model, that is the main character here. Oh, that's Watson? That's Dr. Watson here? Yes, what's his real name? I don't know. His name is Morris Chestnut, who people probably know from Boys in the Hood, Rosewood, the perfect guy. We talked about the perfect guy just the other day because what was what was the show? After party?
SPEAKER_01:After party. And also Terminalist Dark Wolf had the villain of that. The guy, the the actor.
SPEAKER_00:I think the villain is the after party guy. But Morris Chestnut, I think, is the other guy who was, they thought the villain at the start, if I to understand the trailer correctly. I don't remember. I never saw the movie. I just know it was a huge box office success. Having not seen it, and just basing off the trailer, I think it is that this woman falls in love with another dude, and originally she was in love with Morris Chestnut, and then she thinks that Morris Chestnut is like stalking her, and then it turns out it's the new guy. That's under the bed. Well, that's yeah.
SPEAKER_01:That's always the shot that they showed in the trailer.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, so that's not giving anything away, I guess. If if or maybe it is, you know? And you think they just ruined the movie for you in the trailer? Anyways, Watson, what did you know about Watson going into the series? Because it's in its second season. You watched episode what eight?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, season two, episode eight. It's called uh Livby Sees the Doctor. I knew that it was a medical show, but also I knew that CBS liked to do a lot of Sherlock things. They made like some specials, I think, in the 80s and 90s, and then Elementary only came out in 2012.
SPEAKER_00:But I don't think this is a continuation on that, right? Right, it's not a continuation. Craig Sweeney, who did a lot of episodes of Elementary as a producer and and worked on Medium and the 4400, um, he also like, yeah, he's a showrunner here. So it was weird to see his connection between that version of Sherlock Holmes, where Watson was played by a woman, right? Yeah. Um Lucy Lou, I think. Yeah, and now Watson is being played by, I guess, a British guy who lost his Sherlock. There's it's just a different universe, Sherlock.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I know. I mean, like the thing about this show is that there's no connection really, even to Sherlock.
SPEAKER_00:Do you know? Oh, well, they they did cast two Sherlocks. First, in the first season, he's supposed to be dead. So they had Matthew Berry voicing him and like backflashes.
SPEAKER_01:You know, I so I clicked on uh this episode or what I thought was this episode, and it started off with a Reichenback Fall and uh Reichenbachfall? Reichenback fall, and then it showed the uh like a water uh mountain or waterfall, and then it showed Watson and he was screaming Sherlock and he couldn't find them. And then I was like, oh wait, this is the pilot episode. So I saw like the first minute where I think Watson is trying to find Sherlock, then I went to the actual right episode.
SPEAKER_00:I don't think it's any like spoiler, really. They they made it a big deal that in season two they did cast a Sherlock, and it's Robert Carlisle from Once Upon a Time, uh Stargate, 28 weeks later, the Full Monty. I was wondering if it was the Full Monty guy. Yeah. And so I just don't see his voice matching up with Barry's. He's not he's not in the I really hope that they hire Barry too, and then they just have him like voice his lines over him because that would be, I would tune in for that. Anyway, so Watson, it's more a medical show than it is just Sherlock and Daughter or any of the other versions of Sherlock Holmes mysteries that were. Right.
SPEAKER_01:He runs this uh hospital called the Holmes Clinic. Yeah, it's in Pittsburgh, right? Uh is that where it takes place?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, so the University Hospital of Pittsburgh, but it is the Holmes Clinic, you're right about that, but it's called UHOP because of the university hospital.
SPEAKER_01:So like IHOP, yeah, it's UHOP, and it's not even filmed in Pittsburgh, but Craig Sweeney is from Pittsburgh, so they tried to really, really make it look like it's just Pittsburgh, it seems like, or Pennsylvania just as a whole, seems like the place where a lot of TV shows nowadays take place because it was supposed to be Dope Thief, and then I think the long bright river, uh, the pit, now this.
SPEAKER_00:Boston, New York, LA, any place that actually is uh filled with people, they want to shoot because like there's more of a chance that people will tune in to see where they're from or where they know about, you know. I just did you know that Zootopia is like going crazy in China, Zootopia 2? Zootopia 2. Like it's been this people have compared it to the marketing that they brought to the Avengers.
SPEAKER_01:I didn't even really know it was coming out until the like last week when it did. But I know it's been doing, yeah, great.
SPEAKER_00:No, like they are going nuts uh for it over there, and and so it's like a massive hit. There's probably gonna be sequels just because of it. And apparently Chinese like kids' movies are very popular. They had the was it Nezha or like something like that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:The the yeah, like Nez San 2 or something, and it wasn't like that. It's always the second one, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Anyway, so it's the second season here for for Sherlock. Who do you think plays Moriarty? Oh, I I don't know. I'll give you, I'll give you four people, and you gotta tell me who it is. I would love it if it was the same one from the BBC Sherlock, even though I know it's not. Okay, so here are the four names Randall Park, Jim Parsons, Patrick Schwarzenegger, or Lena Hetty.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, I'm gonna go with Jim Parsons because he has the most connection, I feel like, with CBS.
SPEAKER_00:I think you're thinking too much like the uh Sherlock uh British series, like the BBC, that he would fit in with that if they were like to adapt that. So then is it Lena Hetty? No, no, no, no. They went with Randall Park. Randall Park is Matt Berry versus Randall Park. I'm sorry, I don't see. I would have rather seen that show, you know? I just don't see Randall Park as being very intimidating. Well, maybe if you decide to watch more episodes of this. So this is called Livy Sees the Doctor. It's considered a bottle episode.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, because it takes place on pretty there's only a couple settings, right? And it's it's uh centers around a military veteran. His name is Sergeant Fitzgerald, or he's Billy. You can call him Fitz. Yeah. And uh and he keeps on going to the homes clinic. At first, it said 11 months before, eight months before, and two months before, but it doesn't actually ever say like what the date is.
SPEAKER_00:He's not going there alone, right? Like, is he going there with him? No, he is going there alone.
SPEAKER_01:Is it not with his daughter? No, not with his daughter. That's only at uh at the present-day storyline. But like these times when he's going there alone, he meets Adam, who I believe this guy is playing. Adam is playing a dual role because he has he's like twins with this other person named Steven, and the only way that you can tell the difference between the two of them is glasses. Steven wears glasses, Adam doesn't, yeah. And so he goes up to Adam, he's like, Look, I need help with my daughter Olivia. He calls her Olivia and he's like, I there's just like warts around her body, and there's these rashes, and then Adam is like But he didn't bring her there.
SPEAKER_00:No, he didn't bring her there. That seems insane to me.
SPEAKER_01:It's like you make a doctor's he has a he has like an envelope and he's showing her pictures, and then Adam goes, Well, we don't have any pediatricians, but I'll give you like the name of a specialist, and then you can bring her there. Then we jump to eight months uh later, or sorry, three months later, eight months beforehand, and he goes up to Steven thinking that it is Adam, and then he's like, Look, I went to the specialist that you told me to bring him to, and uh, and he wasn't able to help at all.
SPEAKER_00:This feels like a fully curb your enthusiasm Bill Hater moment where he's going all those different shops and there's just a different version of Bill Hader.
SPEAKER_01:I was really glad that the that Sasha says, because Sasha's right next to Steven at the time. She's like, Whoa, well, this is Steven. You were probably talking to Adam, his twin brother, because otherwise I was going to be confused too.
SPEAKER_00:I have to say that every single episode of the show for new people.
SPEAKER_01:I was in Fitzgerald's camp. I was like, why is he wearing glasses now? Did something happen? And then uh, and then they're like, Sasha's takes the envelope that he has and she's like, you know what? I'm gonna look over this file, I'll get back to you six months later. So this is two months before present day. He goes up and that's when he actually meets Watson. And he's like, Watson, look, I'm actually a uh a military veteran as well, because they still kept Watson's backstory as being like in the army. And he's like, Is he saying that he's taking their advice, but he's unable to get appointments elsewhere? I think he didn't even for the one that was eight months back. I probably Sasha didn't even reach out to him because he just didn't get any information about it.
SPEAKER_00:But it's not like an attack on an insurance company for not like assigning him a doctor to find or something.
SPEAKER_01:No, and it was very strange that he kept on targeting the homes clinic, especially when Adam, the first doctor he meets, says we don't have any pediatricians.
SPEAKER_00:It would make sense if you think about this whole show as kind of just house, you know, where this is this is his full team, and we know that Gregory House is the only guy who can solve your issue. And so he knows that Watson is the best doctor in town, and he really, really wants him specifically to see his daughter. But then in that case, bring your daughter. Well, okay, let me let me explain.
SPEAKER_01:So he goes up to Watson, and then Watson is like, you know what, I'll look over your file and I'll send you some information as well. Two months later, and that's when Sergeant Fitzgerald does bring his daughter.
SPEAKER_00:He brings his daughter and a lot more, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so so I this is this was just insane to me. So they kept on shooting it like Sergeant Fitzgerald, he's holding this bag, was going to shoot up this hospital. And I was I was like, wait, what? Because he's like holding his daughter's hand, and in the other hand, they're shooting it like he has a ton of guns in his bag. And then if they don't go that round, I was like, okay, that's at least a good thing. I guess the show doesn't want to go that dark. Then suddenly he puts Olivia in a separate room on the fourth floor, goes in, and then he sees Watson and kind of Watson's whole entire team. He undoes his coat and suddenly it's a bomb threat. He makes this huge paramount uh forgive the pun, but like this big, insane decision that he is going to, if they don't save Olivia, kill him, kill everyone else, even though they told them they don't have any pediatricians there.
SPEAKER_00:We've seen this in basically every medical show that's ever come out is that there's always like a threat. Sometimes it's at the very beginning of the show where a doctor gets shot. But like in house specifically, I do remember there were several times where a patient would come in with a gun and like say, Diagnose me, or else you know.
SPEAKER_01:This felt well, this felt like kind of the Dr. Sexy show from Supernatural. How everything Doctor sexy. Dr. Sexy, yes. Yes, pronounced it correctly. Everything just just was like heightened so much more.
SPEAKER_00:Hand also this was Grey's Anatomy. I don't know if you ever saw season two or season three, Kyle Chandler's character, spoiler alarm. That was when a bomb was inside the patient. I know, but it's still a bomb in a hospital, it's not unheard of.
SPEAKER_01:This guy went to a hospital that didn't have any child doctors and said, because you guys didn't help me, I'm going to make it so that you have to save her or I will kill everybody.
SPEAKER_00:Well, here's a question for you, though. Do they prove or does he prove by the end of the episode that he's right?
SPEAKER_01:Yes. They were able to save her.
SPEAKER_00:They were able to diagnose her. And so whose fault was it really? No. Um, it was I mean, so okay, so he takes everybody hostage, right? Right. He takes uh kind of the whole team hostage. And and does the doc does Watson say immediately, uh, I'm gonna go check out on this girl and see if I can just figure this out in two seconds, and then you can just get out of here. Well, I mean I'll validate your partner.
SPEAKER_01:More, more, more what it is, is that he has a uh camera set up in Olivia's room so we can see what's going on. And he tells Watson, I should probably bring up the other people that are in the room also.
SPEAKER_00:Sasha, she is a specialist, and she's the one who said that Adam and the other guy were twins.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and she was also the one to look over the file.
SPEAKER_00:And one of the twins escaped, or is he not in the room? Or have you got both?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, one of the twins is is out of the room. I think. Who else is out of the room? Um because I think the muscle is out of the room. Yeah, Shinwell. Shinwell. Shinwell. And uh, I think he was supposed to be a former criminal, but then you also have Ingrid, she was a neurologist or is a neurologist.
SPEAKER_00:I sorry, but I love the idea that like House would have a bouncer, you know, like as part of his team, he'd always have uh Cuddy was the person in charge, but like he had Foreman and the rest of them, and just the idea that one person's job was to like he's not doing his job.
SPEAKER_01:There was the most obscene like scene thrown in after this whole entire debacle where Shinwell, because he bumps into Fitzgerald before Fitzgerald gets into the room, is like mad at himself and just so so torn up over the fact that he didn't know that he could have maybe stopped Fitzgerald somehow, but it didn't make any sense with the story because it was like, how was he supposed to know that there that Fitzgerald had a bomb strapped to him?
SPEAKER_00:So finish off telling because there's a couple more people in the room.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, there's Adam, the identical twin, no glasses, infectious disease specialist, and then there's again Olivia who has a ruptured spleen at this point. She's nine years old and she's in a separate room. And then there's Beck, who it seemed like at the very beginning was supposed to be a likable character because he's in therapy for gambling addictions. But then for throughout the rest of the episode, even though he's kind of with Ingrid, right, it's just a massive dick.
SPEAKER_00:Kind of So Ingrid, I'll give you like the one-two on that. So in the first season, she was she's how would you describe her quickly, like in in two seconds? She's not full of herself, but she has definitely got like sociopathic tendencies. Yeah, I would say that she's kind of gothic. She did some she's goth. Um, she did some like pretty sketchy things. They forgave her in the second season. She needs to get therapy, and she ends up meeting this narcissist dude in therapy, this Beck guy, and they're both there, and Beck is given the opportunity to leave, right? Yeah. And and what happened? He decides that he's just going to stay. And does he give a reason for that?
SPEAKER_01:I uh not really. I think it was just to try and impress Ingrid. Okay, so he's giving you a couple. He's given the worst, the worst line. Like five minutes in, this is before the whole entire Fitzgerald thing, they are leaving therapy, and he keeps on dropping hints to everyone else in therapy that he's with Ingrid. And they're in the elevator, and Ingrid goes, You're pathetic. And then Beck goes, This morning I'm pathetic, but last night I was daddy, and I was like, Oh, okay, we're in for a treat with this character. All right. This awful, terrible line gave me everything basically that I had to know.
SPEAKER_00:Yes. And so that's the people in the room. They how quickly diagnose this girl? Well, it takes a long time because it should. Yes. Because I find out what like they actually it's what what's this name of the pro uh thing that she has? X-Men disease. X-Men disease.
SPEAKER_01:That was one of the few things about the series that I actually liked because I looked it up on Gemini. It turns out that it's an actual disease, and I have the uh definition of it.
SPEAKER_00:It's an immunodeficiency disorder, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and it also gives you an increased risk of things like lymphoma. And basically what they have to do is they have to treat and find uh someone with a similar blood type.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, so okay, let's let's get into this a little bit because it's not X-Men disease where you like suddenly become superhero. There is a mutant like part of your genome. So like you have two chromosomes, right? Everybody has two chromosomes, guys have two, or have X, Y, and XYZ have yeah. This is the part that confuses me, right? So girls never get X-Men uh disease or whatever, you know, because they have two X chromosomes. Usually, when you have that type of disease and it it's on the X copy, it's specifically male because girls have two copies and the better one just ends up solving the issue, you know? So so I like that that that's the curiosity to me. They've never actually had this case determined for a girl. The other thing is if it was to be, it would either have to be of two situations. One is that the guy was has the disease and so does the mom, and somehow they just haven't gotten sick, or more likely because of how this ends up playing out, the mom was the carrier, the dad had the healthy X, and somehow her body decided that her X chromosomes were only going to listen to the one that her mom gave her. That's that could happen, but we have never seen it in this specific one, or at least no written reports have been about it. And if that were the case, that would still mean that the dad, when he because how do they end up solving it?
SPEAKER_01:Well, they they uh they end up, it's a blood transfusion that they take from Fitzgerald.
SPEAKER_00:But the thing about the girl, if we're going to accept that she her body is automatically turning off the good X chromosomes, it's not that she doesn't have them, it's that it they're ignoring them and they're only using the bad X chromosomes. Adding more good ones, if her body is already programmed to ignore them, is not going to suddenly change her cell's makeup.
SPEAKER_01:This this went to like a greater point, but there's great, like uh, you know, uh medical shows, Lennox Hill, The Pit, Brilliant Cell is a document. Brilliant Minds, which I had as a joke, because I know how much you hated that episode. But I under like those were great things. The thing about uh network shows with medical uh is is that it just always seems like the writer is flipping through like a medical book, takes out a few terms, and then like just kind of throws it at the screen.
SPEAKER_00:And so I I'm not saying that this was a bad idea or concept, but it's also kind of ludicrous because they had to run a genetic panel in order to diagnose this because otherwise it would take years. It's also ludicrous how they figure it out, though. In a couple, in a in like less than a few hours, right?
SPEAKER_01:Not only that, Watson figures it out because it turns out that Fitz doesn't like cilantro, and then he's like, Livy doesn't like cilantro, but apparently it's a hereditary trait. Yes, there was also not that rare. They they they threw in this very random storyline that it seemed like was just there to pad timing, where uh Fitz actually wasn't Livy's dad, or so he thinks it was just his adopted daughter. So they go to Stephen Morris, who ended up having an affair, and and uh and it turns out that Steven and Shinwell have gone there and just to get a blood type, and the only reason he decides Stephen Morris is going to give a blood type is to just get them off his doorstep so his wife doesn't overhear.
SPEAKER_00:So they use Morris Chestnut, the main character Watson, and they use Morris in the television show for someone else.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but but they take his blood type and then they're like, wait a minute, there isn't a match between Steven and Livy. And then they're like, wait a minute, Fitzgerald must be Livy's father. And I don't understand why that was even in the show.
SPEAKER_00:I was curious if they were gonna go the full Leo DiCaprio, uh, what's the name of that movie this year? One battle after another. Yeah, where they just flip out the machine and they do a DNA test right there. Because that would be more believable as far as the timing than diagnosing X-Men disorder, a genetic disorder that quickly.
SPEAKER_01:Well, my question just about the storyline, just in general, was why did we even have to have it? We already saw that Fitzgerald was like a good father figure. The show goes out of its way to show that even though he has this bomb strapped to his chest, which again, it was just the most insane thing, that he cares about his daughter. Why did we have to have a random plot line thrown in about him not being the kid's father, only to then be like the kid's father 10 minutes later?
SPEAKER_00:Bittersweetness. Because by the end, like, okay, so does anybody try to stop him?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. So Beck is able to uh because the what they did when he decided that he was going to stay was uh they tied him up in restraints with zip ties, and then he's able to get out of them, and then he stabs Fitzgerald with scissors like midway through.
SPEAKER_00:And I thought to myself from what I was reading, that was like specifically shot to look like he was doing the wrong thing.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, well, it's supposed to be ironic because again, Fitzgerald, despite having this bomb to his chest, is supposed to be a good character.
SPEAKER_00:You're supposed to understand why he's doing this stuff, and you already understood that by the time that yeah, whatever his face is.
SPEAKER_01:Right, and so and so you're not supposed to like that Beck stabs Fitzgerald. But my thing was is that I understand that Beck is a terrible character and Fitz is supposed to be good, but they He also has a dead man trigger on the bomb.
SPEAKER_00:I think that should be important. So like if he dies, then there's no good reason to stab him in the neck. But if you get stabbed in the neck, how do you even survive?
SPEAKER_01:I don't understand why Watson ended up tackling Beck and didn't just try to at least apprehend Fitzgerald at that moment, because yes, I understand Fitzgerald is trying to get his daughter to safety, but he's bleeding. Yeah, he's bleeding from the neck. Yeah, so what do you mean by apprehend? Like try and stop it somehow. Like, I mean, like he's still holding everybody hostage. I mean he treats him, right? Yeah, Hippocratic. That's that's yeah, it winds up happening. And then uh Beck is just given the free pass to go. Fitzgerald just tells him to go after being stabbed in the neck.
SPEAKER_00:Get out of here. You're more of a nuisance here than you would be otherwise. Once they diagnose the daughter, they find out that this is the dad, they come up with this crazy solution that they're going to use his uh T cells and then like put him through some crazy science that doesn't make any sense to fix it so that her body would suddenly accept them um and resolve itself. Uh how how does it the rest of the show resolve? So she ends up being okay and then museum. Wait, we know guarantee that she's been cured within like within this few hours of this entire show. That's what they're saying. That's crazy. I don't like that. Good, keep on going.
SPEAKER_01:Well, yeah, I mean, like they I don't I think that they didn't want this to be like a multi-episode story.
SPEAKER_00:Sure, but they could have been like over over the course of several months, we'll give her transfusions and we'll see how she's doing, like that type of thing rather than she's cured. I mean, it does make the the father's pursuit justified a little bit because again, they I think poignantly didn't go after an insurance company because of all the stuff in the news, but they are pointing out kind of a flaw in hospital situations.
SPEAKER_01:The thing is that News Madness, the song, closes, or I thought was going to close us out because we see Fitzgerald, he's brought to jail. There was even how does he get caught? Uh he gives himself up.
SPEAKER_00:He gives himself up, but under the condition that he he his cells can be used to cure his daughter or something like that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and and also I think that uh there was like one touching moment in the show where Fitzgerald does have to say goodbye to his daughter. In terms of like any good scenes, that was probably the closest that it got. Well, it sounds like it was still a blast. I also liked, I also liked uh some of the surgery that they did when they were showing her get kind of the blood transfusion. And then yeah, we have a scene with Shinwell where uh he's talking to Watson and it's like I should have known when I bumped into him that yeah, that he was going to pull this off, and Watson is like, you know what, don't worry about it. And then as a special F you to the audience, for no reason at all, Beck, he's a terrible character. Narcissist, yeah. He he walks out here and he starts giving like interviews because the SWAT team and everybody is outside, and he starts talking about how he's a hero. And for some reason, even though Ingrid is told by Sasha, because Sasha just has a terrible feeling about him, she's like, don't go to him. He's obviously just like very evil, you don't know what you're getting yourself into. She goes to his place because he's attractive. That's literally the one reason, decides to sleep with him, and the final shot we get is a pan over to his laptop where he's stalking Sasha. He's on her webpage.
SPEAKER_00:I think, well, Sasha, I think right is the person who's in control of the therapy group. Yes. And so he's, I think what they're saying, uh, looking at everybody in her thing and just kind of like going after the different patients he has.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I don't know if I saw Sasha in the in the therapy group.
SPEAKER_00:I thought she was the one running it. I thought like Ingrid was one of the main people, and that's how he had found her.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, that that might be the case. It would maybe make a little bit more sense as to why he was like so, so kind of like into her, but there were so many things I found wrong with this episode. There's a there's a point where Watson is, he's getting ready to do the surgery on Fitzgerald and take the blood. And Watson gives Sergeant Fitzgerald the way out. He says, I don't know if Livy will be okay because Fitz was worried about Livy's future after he did what he did. But then Watson says, I don't know if Livy will be okay. But if you didn't happen today, she might not be alive. Watson is justifying Fitzgerald.
SPEAKER_00:I've been justifying it too, because I'm saying the dad would not have been able, I think that's the whole point of the episode is it's supposed to make you think, not, oh, I should go into the hospital and blah, blah, blah. But like kind of the problem with the system right now, where it's like too many overloaded patients, doctors are overloaded because you you didn't even mention um that this was supposed to be like a day off, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it was supposed to be like a renewed like an RR day, almost almost like a Buddhist day where we're supposed to be peaceful. Yeah, that was shown at the very beginning of the episode.
SPEAKER_00:Right. And so it's like patients who are definitely hurting and needing people to look at their their kids or themselves and stuff, they're unable to find doctors because doctors are taking too many RR days.
SPEAKER_01:That's that's the moral of the story. Here's the thing with my pros, uh, and maybe you and I are aligned to this, I like how they attempted to make the criminal relatable. I do think that there is an interesting story within that, but the bomb threat was just so like so so obscene, and he's going to a place that doesn't have any pediatricians. He learns that a full year ago, and then he decides that he's just going to keep them hostage until they save his daughter. That's the part that I have like a big problem with. It just felt like the plot was so insane. Also, there was times where it felt like they had to spoon feed the audience everything because this is when they're telling Fitzgerald that uh they have the match and that he's actually Livy's father. Sasha goes, Scott Morrison's blood type is A B positive. I did like how they used A B positive, but then they say Livy's type is O. Watson says it's nearly impossible for Scott to be her father. Then Sergeant Fitzgerald goes, Then who the hell is it? Who is Livy's dad? He couldn't put two and two together before Watson tells him, You are Sergeant Fitzgerald, you are Livy's father. It just seemed like that was like how much do they have to tell the audience before they can get themselves? Did they say it like that though?
SPEAKER_00:Yes, that was it, that was word from word, the scene. So it's straight up like a Jerry Springer thing, right? Yeah. Okay. But it just uh And you were right, by the way. I'm looking at this uh synopsis here, and it does say that he was just straight up cyber stalking Sasha. So I don't see any, I don't know where I got the connection between her being the therapy group. I thought Beck was just personally going after every single person that uh was in the therapy group, but I guess I'm wrong.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, like I had a big problem with the overall story, but I did kind of like how it was focused. There weren't too many like B storylines I didn't care about. It did primarily stick on the bomb story, so I did like that because sometimes these shows can get so like sidetracked and and this didn't feel disjointed. So I'll give the story props for that. But also the fact that at the very end Ingrid decided to sleep with Beck, it wasn't one of those things where I was like, oh. You sound like you got too invested. She's making a poor decision. You're you're supposed to really hate that. And I and I did. Good. Overall, I'm going to give the series a four out of ten. I was not a fan of this episode.
SPEAKER_00:It sounded like you were enjoying it.
SPEAKER_01:Right. When it comes to things like uh Up East New York, I liked it more than something like that, even though ironically enough, that also dealt with a man having a bomb strapped to his chest. The episode I watched that, it also reminded me a little bit of Money Monster, the George Clooney movie with Jack O'Connell. True.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, because that's also supposed to be a little bit of a redemption for that character. So I I totally see that. For House, it's kind of the same way. He gets shot at one point, and then he has like this uh dreamscape thing where he kind of goes through what happened and he kind of understands why the guy did what he did. Um, so so yeah, those type of shows or episodes I I end up liking, and it seemed like from the few reviews that were out there, people also like this one more than some of the other episodes of the Watson series. So, I mean, take it that if you're a fan of Watson already, this is probably one of your favorite episodes.
SPEAKER_01:Uh yeah, I mean, like so you're saying I got one of the best out of the bunch then.
SPEAKER_00:Some people say this was the best of the bunch.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. Well, okay.
SPEAKER_00:Well, it's also it's also a 20-episode season, which we don't see a lot of those these.
SPEAKER_01:Right, because I think I saw somewhere that the first season was like 13 episodes. Oh, 13.
SPEAKER_00:I think it was 13, or at least they had a yeah, no, it was 13 episodes in the first season, and then they just got a bigger order for this one, like 2.5 million views each week. Uh, but but for a 2025 show um to to be given a drama, an hour long drama, to be given that episode order, and then still have creative content, I give a profit for that. Thanks for listening. We'll see you on the next episode. Hope you enjoyed this one. Bye.
SPEAKER_01:Bye.