Trading Without The Gamble: A Practical Path To A Second Paycheck

What happens when the corporate climb stops feeling like success and starts sounding like a countdown? Vlad Tayman reached that edge—under a CEO, high pay, higher cortisol—then hit a wall that made him question everything. From medical leave to the fear of being quietly replaced, he turned toward a path that didn’t demand more hours but asked for better systems: selling options premium for steady, probability-based income.

We walk through the exact thinking that replaced “get rich quick” with “get paid predictably.” Vlad breaks down premium selling in plain English—how money hits your account upfront, why probabilities matter more than predictions, and the guardrails that keep greed in check. He explains why one-on-one coaching compressed years of trial and error into months, the step-by-step progression from swing trading to cash-flow strategies, and the business metrics he uses to target consistent 8–10 percent monthly returns while protecting capital. You’ll hear how compounding becomes a force-multiplier, with real client examples that turned small accounts into meaningful second incomes.

But this isn’t just about trades. We talk mental health and the trap of business, building optionality to calm anxiety, and the habits that keep you steady: tracking steps and macros, using a treadmill desk to reclaim time, and practicing proactive communication that strengthens relationships. Vlad shares his approach to contribution through mentorship and the quiet spiritual practices—reflection, gratitude, long walks—that keep him grounded. If you’ve felt the rumble of layoffs, AI reshaping roles, or the weight of living paycheck to paycheck, this conversation gives you a pragmatic way to build resilience and choice.

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SPEAKER_01: 1:57

Hey guys, I got a special guest here today. Today's guest hit a breaking point that every high achiever secretly fears. Imagine being a Fortune 500 director, making great money. Vlad Tamin was burnt out, and the journey he had wasn't clean or cute, including losing 29,000 in 29 days at the age of 29 before he cracked a code on a trading system that eventually replaces corporate income. Now he's helped over 1,000 professionals and business owners build a second stream of income through trading education and coaching. Vlad, I want to take a moment to thank you for coming on the hashtag ClockedIn Podcast.

SPEAKER_00: 2:35

I appreciate it, man. Thank you for having me, Jordan. First off, before we even get started, I want to just say you're doing an amazing job with this podcast. I've listened to a few episodes and the impact you're having on people when it comes to just giving them a better way to live, you know, as far as saving time, just smarter little hacks is amazing. And um, I really strongly urge everybody to go out there and give uh Jordan five stars on this podcast so it could reach out to more people. It's very important. You'll see if you go there, I already left my review and uh just asking you to do the same thing because again, we just want to see this come out as much as we can and share the knowledge. So really appreciate it.

SPEAKER_01: 3:14

Absolutely. I I appreciate that so much. So let's get into it. So you coach a lot of professionals and business owners, and a lot of them just focus on making money, they don't think about what their money can do for them. So, where did that transition? Like, how do you think about that? And why do you think so many people struggle with that idea?

SPEAKER_00: 3:34

Well, just think about the culture we're in. It's the the the corporation culture. Uh, since the beginning of time, once we're born, we're into going to school, getting a good job, and when we're getting the job, what are we trying to do? Get a better promotion, get a better promotion. So, and and there's two things really happening. One, people are scared of losing their job, especially right now. If you really look at the world, it's gotten even worse. People are afraid of AI. There's so many people losing so many uh jobs because you know, they're saying this. I actually had a friend right now working for a big corporation, Fortune 500 company as well. They told them straight up, we're gonna cut 15,000 jobs because AI could take it over. So the fear of losing your income, number one, number two, just the motivation of trying to get the income, being stuck in that world and the stress of making it and not losing it, and you have a family and you have this, we're so reactive that there's no time to be proactive. Yes, and and that's unfortunate because there's what happens is after 30 years, we wake up maybe 60, 70, and we know we feel the worst emotion you could possibly feel, which is regret. I could have, shoulda, and then we blame others for it. And there's no turning back after that, unfortunately. You could still do some things, of course, you know, and you could speed it up. We do help that with that, but at the end of the day, it's better to start soon and really get out of that hypnosis.

SPEAKER_01: 5:08

Yeah, I see this story happen so many times, and especially it's a really leading indicator. If people go, How much money did you make this year? That's not the right question. The right question is what's your net worth? Because that lets you know how much you're actually keeping.

unknown: 5:22

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 5:23

So for you, Vlad, what was that turning point for you? Because I could imagine like you were climbing that corporate ladder and you had to do a changeup, and a lot of the audience is probably sitting there going, How do you even do it?

SPEAKER_00: 5:33

So it's it's crazy because I was at a company, I started 19 in a company, um, Fortune 500 company, and worked there for 21 years. I moved up all the way under the CEO. There was no other positions left. In fact, I started moving horizontal. You know, I was a director of sales, then I went to a director of training, which was a really my passion. And it's crazy because uh the motivation I had, the the busyness, everything was just you know, all you get is obsessed over this goal, and that's it. And I enjoyed it for a while until I had a family, and what happened was you know, I was in such a high all the time, but at such a high cortisol level consistently. Eventually, what there was a breaking point, and my mental health kind of took a toll and said, uh-uh, you're not superhuman. Okay, right when I hit like in my 30s, early 30s, right around there, and it was just out of nowhere, just poof. I started feeling sick, I couldn't really focus. And my biggest fear was underperformance. And the second I felt like it was um I I lost a little bit of that edge, you get criticized by the corporation, you get, you know, the bosses get on you, and you now you're afraid to lose the job. So now you're sick and you don't know what to do, and it's just consistent stress over stress over stress, and don't God forbid you have a family. Now you have to worry about them too. So it's just a crazy revolving cycle, and most people deal with that a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_01: 7:09

And I think you're bringing up a really good point about the stress, like and this pride of being busy because we start to realize, like, as entrepreneurs, like, and you go on your journey, you start to realize busy isn't the goal, optimizing is the goal, and it's how do you actually do things in a better way? So, what was that thought process where you're like, I'm gonna start making a change or start looking outside of what I'm doing and starting looking in different directions?

SPEAKER_00: 7:36

I'd love to tell you, I was so proactive, I had a game plan, I'm ready to go. Um, that wasn't the case. I did want to, in my back of my mind, there was always how do I make my money work for me?

SPEAKER_02: 7:49

Yes.

SPEAKER_00: 7:50

But that it immediately stops, and because that it's a limiting belief, because one, I don't have the time to do real estate, I don't have the time to invest in something and not know what's going on. So I don't really have a skill set. So just thinking about what it took me to get to my job now to that point, I don't have the time or passion to do anything else, so it'll just ruin my career. So I I couldn't, I just couldn't do that. And yeah, so what happened was I hit a mental break and I literally just couldn't function. I didn't know what was wrong with me. Went to every doctor. I thought I had like a stage 17 cancer. I don't know what it was. The worst thing is when you don't know what it is. At least tell me something. But at that time, this is going back years, it was a I had some sort of mental health situation, just burnout basically. But if I couldn't function, so during that time, I had to take four or five, four and a half months off work, just trying to relax, come down, see what's going on. And that lead led me to thinking, you know what? I got basically you know, not let go, but they basically gave the position to someone else for a while and wouldn't pay me. And that was very and I realized like I'm kind of helpless. And during that time, you would think, you would think, you know, I would uh get something going and I tried, but I didn't. So I had to go back to work. And three months later I dislocated my shoulder and had surgery. During that time when I didn't get paid again, that's when I realized I need to do something because now they're saying there's more threats about you know there's other people could take over your job. This they say they can't, but it was very, very obvious. So I decided to try something out. I try I tried uh to look into real estate actually, but it was too much time, and eventually I did find trading. Now I've traded before, I've tried uh day trading, I've tried these different things, they just haven't worked for me. Whether it was uh I lost money, made money, made money, lost money, lost money. Um, I tried, I think day trade, I had people I stock signals, I took different shortcuts, it didn't work.

SPEAKER_01: 10:04

It didn't work. I gotta pause you there because I think it's so important for us all to realize that Vlad, who's at this point built a pretty impressive organization uh through his coaching and trading, that he said, when I stop when I put down the shortcuts and I put down the long-term thinking, because a lot of us are on this let's get rich quick thing, and that's not the answer, it's the consistency that keeps us getting closer to our goals.

SPEAKER_00: 10:33

Yeah, no, I yeah, and it's it's pretty nuts because when I just when I just think about it now, I went through the stage, and I went through the stage and and I lost one. My goal was honestly when you I saw a lot of ads. I don't know if it was Facebook back then, maybe it was MySpace, who knows? But I remember looking at things, maybe Googling it or binging it or Yahooing it. Yahoo, that's what it was at that time. But I realized like there's so many cool ways to make money, it's a hack. People give you stock signals, you just play it. I don't have to learn it. Yes, realistically, I mean I don't know if I wasn't smart enough, I didn't have the time. It's kind of both. You don't have that confidence because they make it seem so complicated. So I tried stock signals, I tried day trading, I tried uh investing. Uh, I had somebody else trade for me. That was fun, that was great, man. I made a lot of losses, so it was not good. But eventually I decided, you know, I talked to someone who gave me an idea of, hey, why don't you learn how to do this? Yeah so I started studying it because I had time now. And when I studied it, uh it was I remember it was chapter by chapter by chapter. There was books, no videos back then. And what I've learned from there is every time you take any kind of course, there's more questions than answers. And it just frustrated me. Uh, but in that program, they said, look, you need our resource line, they called it. That's what I remember. The resource line. And the resource line was basically um basically uh one-on-one coaching. So you had someone to answer those questions, and that's when it started hitting. Because I don't want to feel dumb, I don't want to be judged in a group coaching session because I tried that too. Like, people are like, Well, no, no, you're wrong. You're this more stress. Once I got into the one-on-one, I was able to ask a lot of questions. I'm a type A personality, I have so many questions and I need them answered. That's it, and that's when it started hitting. It started, I started they one thing they told me is we're gonna take decades of mistakes that you're about to make in these sessions and turn them into days because you're gonna have all our all our knowledge, all our everything. And it took me about four to five months, and I learned a strategy. This is this is what really kind of threw it on the whole thing. They told me we're not gonna buy anything, we're going to sell premiums. I'm like, what is that? I didn't know there's a way to trade where you get money up front, literally. It's oh wow, you know, you make money up front. They it showed me, they showed me in the platform, it was just a standard platform, nothing crazy. You have a 93% chance of winning. You do this every week as a salary. I'm like, what if it goes down the other way? It doesn't matter, you still make money. I'm like, what do you mean? I thought you has to go a certain direction. Yeah, that's how retail traders make money, but it's also a gamble. If you want to leave it, this is what they told me. If you want to leave your job, you're not gonna leave it for a gambling because you have a salary. We need to replace your salary. You need to know exactly how much you're gonna make. That was number one. So you literally, when he showed me, it blew my mind. Look, he saw he clicked a button, you're gonna make$484 this week and 72 cents. I'm like, okay, you have a 7% chance of losing. That means you have a 93% chance of winning. And he said, do not get greedy, stick to eight to ten percent returns, do not go higher because then you're greedy. And and number three, you have to know exactly when you could get out. I was like, okay, perfect. So, which is a month. And he said, now when it comes to timing the market, very simple. If you time it right, you're gonna make this money in a few days. But if you time it wrong, you're gonna have to wait up to 30 days. So if I I'm like, wait, so if I time it wrong, I have an insurance policy. Yes, if it goes down this much, basically, I don't remember if a stock was 100 and you go this much down, you're still making your money. You have to be ultimately wrong for you to, and I'm like, but that money comes in instant. They showed me they clicked my, they've used my account, they're like, you're gonna do the buttons clicking. I click the button, and he's like, You see your account? What happened? It's like 438 dollars just went in there. Exactly. Now you just have to hold it. You just hold it. You have a if you touch it, no good. But they also set up something else for me an automatic exit. Meaning, if you do time it right, which will teach you, you're gonna get that$438 in a few days. You get rewarded by getting it quicker, and if you don't, then you wait 30 days.

SPEAKER_01: 15:15

Like interesting. So you start you start to realize everything in. Yeah, well, you start to realize here that it it's not always like let's figure it out on our own. A lot of us want to go that route, but the coaching is what actually helps us because they guide us along the journey.

SPEAKER_00: 15:32

Yes, yes, yes, yes. And that was the biggest factor is after they told me that, first thing I said is I'll do it tomorrow. And they said, absolutely not. Like, what do you mean? What do you mean, absolutely not? I'm ready. This is looks easy, and he dude, he did it in literally under a minute. He looked up the stock. I'm like, but he this what he told me, and I know this is gonna be a buzzkill for some people, and that's okay. It's gonna take you two months minimum to learn it. I was like, how? I just saw you do it in a few seconds, and then he said something important. He's like, Your career, how long did it take you to get there? I was like, A few years. Is it easy? Pretty easy. I could do it, no problem. Right, but it took you a while to get there. We asked for two months of one-on-one coaching, and then two more months of you just doing it with us. So we're there to look at the trades, we're gonna see how you do to secure yourself. So I'm like, okay, so total of four months to really, really solidify something that's gonna bring me a future, and it does, and it took me minutes to do, just takes a little bit of time to relearn it, and that's sold.

SPEAKER_01: 16:41

Yeah, but that's the biggest thing that most of us don't realize is that you went from let me hop on everyone else's bandwagon to I'm actually gonna learn a skill here. And as I learn that skill, I'm gonna start to apply that skill. And then as a trainer, you know that it's always the best method is to be, I'm gonna show you how to do it, then you're gonna show me how you did it, and then we'll make sure it's going correctly. Because there's so many of us that are like, oh, he did it, I can do it. And it's like he dropped you off at the 25th mile of the marathon. All you got to do is run a mile, you didn't have to go from the mile one. Where and that's where a lot of us are. We're always at mile one, and we have to go all that distance. So we have to build up that muscle in ourselves that we even have the belief and confidence that we can actually do this.

SPEAKER_00: 17:25

Right. And I'll tell you, there's a lot of if you look around, people say they're gonna train you. And I will say a lot of people tell me we will get on calls with clients, they're like, Well, you know, this person scammed me, that person scammed me, and they'll name names. And I hear a lot of these names, and I know a lot of these names, and I will say they're not scams, they're their stuff works, they really do. Here's the thing, though. What I I explained to them that because they got discouraged. Like, what's the most discouraging when you're in a chat room and everybody's making money but you that's what it feels like, yeah. Or if you're like, Well, let me try this, let me try day trading, but everybody tells me to time it like this, and you just can't do it, so you feel you're the problem. Here's the thing about traders traders have a certain way of doing things, they took them time to get there, but most people they forgot when they sucked at this. So the traders only know the expertise. And unfortunately, yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01: 18:23

That's an important thing to realize that when you're talking to a lot of experts or anybody in this area, like it doesn't have to be just trading, it can be anything. Yeah, that those people who are doing it now, like if I tried to start swimming and I look at Michael Phelps and I have him coach me, he might be able to help me. But I bet you Michael Phelps' coach or a coach that does that might be better because Michael Phelps just knows how to do it at the highest level. There's a thousand levels in between me and him swimming wise. So it's important to realize you need to find someone that's a level or two above you and knows what a beginner's journey looks like.

SPEAKER_00: 18:57

Right. And I'll and that's when I realized one thing too. And I'm and I explained this to them. Look, I'm not don't think they're not good traders because you don't get it. But good traders don't always make good trainers. Yeah, I happen to be a professional trainer who knows how to break things down. Who happens to trade? And that's how this whole thing started. I'm like, wait, I know how to trade. I remember how hard it was. Even with a program with one-on-one, it was a disaster. It took me a longer time. So I figured I know how to put things together properly so it's easy to understand, that anybody could understand. We guarantee you understand it. There's nobody who hasn't. And then put it with the right formula that helps people. And as long as you have a desire to learn and not say, Oh, can you do it for me? No, that's if everybody could do it for them, everybody would be doing it.

SPEAKER_01: 19:47

So and that's how you develop the skill set. So, Sue, let's talk real quick about. I know you had good burnout going on. Yeah, you're going through these challenging situations. What even opened your eyes to like, oh my god, I I should be obviously it's the fear of getting fired, but it's also like how what else was going on? Because there's a lot of people on this call and they're like, oh no, I've just been in my job for 20 years. Like, I I don't know, it's just what I do.

SPEAKER_00: 20:13

Yeah, so I'm gonna be honest with you. I technically speaking, I wasn't gonna lose my job because it was a secure thing by law, like I would go back, of course. But there are invisible threats when you see around and people start saying, Yeah, you could go back, but when they don't want you, they'll figure out a way to get rid of you. That's just how it is. And right now, just looking at the world the way it is, and I'm not in that world, right? You know, I I have my own business, all those types of things, but it's the invisible fear that's becoming more visible. For example, you could have your job today, no problem. You know you have it, but trust me, the conversations you're having with employees right now is you think the AI will take over? You think and what do they also do?

SPEAKER_01: 21:00

Yeah, I just saw Amazon's cutting like 12,000 jobs, like it's happening.

SPEAKER_00: 21:05

Look at IBM, right?

SPEAKER_01: 21:06

Yeah, it's happening.

SPEAKER_00: 21:07

IBM Amazon, everybody, and here's the thing. I do, you know, I use AI, I love AI. So uh, and and what companies are doing now, they're trying to tell you, and and it's weird. If I tell you this, you'll be like, Really? People believe it. They'll say, No, no, no. As long as you know how to use AI, your job won't be eliminated. Do they believe it? Of course, they want to believe the path of least resistance, but everybody knows it's coming, it's coming. Do you have a way to do it? So for me at that time, it's I couldn't be on that because of my mental health issues. I was uh I couldn't be on that level. And there were other people who are, I'm gonna take it. I was making really good money. Here's this here's the crappy part about it. When you have that money, this is where people really get screwed. You're making this money, you're making this money, and we to you said it before, but it's how much you what is that money doing for you? Well, if it's not, you get used to the lifestyle, and now you're really trapped. No, and then it's better if you're making nothing.

SPEAKER_01: 22:04

Well, that's why most teachers become millionaires because they know how to live inside their means. But as a salesperson or a leader or a corporate 500 person, you start to see, oh my god, I made this much money. I don't need to watch my bills. It's okay for my wife to get the new car. She's happy, right? But as soon as your job goes away, a lot of these people are like, I don't know what to do. I'm gonna try to find another one. I'm not really sure. And that's my favorite thing about business ownership. And a lot of these people who are employees can still be business owners in their thinking. And what I mean by that is like you start to operate yourself as a business. Hey, are we making money or losing money? You should really do that instead of like just my paycheck and then I spend it. It's how much did the bank of Jordan make? How much did the bank of Vlad make? And you start having these bills for yourself where it's like I'm gonna reinvest in myself.

SPEAKER_00: 22:59

Yeah, and I mean, and here's the biggest part about this is the fact that when you really look at it, when I go back when the guy was talking to me and I was getting a coach, he said, You gotta treat trading like a business. Yes, if you have a strategy that you know could make this much per week, we're setting you up. I remember he said for your salary, we got to get you to two thousand dollars a week first. That's gonna take us four months. I'm like, okay, you need this amount of money, you need capital. So he's like you, you know, if you make 10, 20, whatever, let's just say 10, you need this amount of money in your account, and we don't even trade the money, it's just gotta be in there as a hold. I'm like, okay, but now it's a business. You're taking this money, you know you're making this percentage at this, everything becomes a business. But but here's the thing I needed to understand a couple things. One, you need the right strategy, because you could be you could get all the coaching in the world. You try to day trade while still making uh you know, making this money and you know all the stress, not gonna work out. And two, get the right teacher, those are the two things. First, you need just don't let the limiting beliefs of I'm not smart enough, I'm not you're smart enough. I trust me. I did not know trading. If you look at my account of how many things I've lost, I've tried different things, and and here's the other part this is the other issue I've seen is when you do learn a strategy, you know what people don't talk about, right? They see this great, maybe they got it. One, it's they don't know how to put the trade in. They're like, wait, now that I got it, what's my platform? What do I use? Like, you need to know everything. That's what you got to look for. Who's gonna show you every step of the way and hold you by the hand?

SPEAKER_01: 24:45

Yeah, no, it makes a huge difference because there's so many of us that think we can just pick something up or just put it down. And the funny thing is, you're like describing business, and most people think of business as oh, though those are all the people who don't work, and it's like, no, you need to treat this as your job, and then you're gonna because if you take it seriously, like even your health, your mental health, your physical health, all of it, if you take it as a job, you're gonna start showing up better for yourself. You just need to employ yourself as the individual who goes, Yeah, I'm gonna go do this activity, yeah, I'm gonna go put this time in, yeah, I'm gonna follow through, yeah, I'm gonna do this. Because if you don't do that, you will send yourself in a spiral.

SPEAKER_00: 25:26

Yeah. And you know, and it's crazy because you, you know, you mentioned like people losing and people, you know, being treating like a business. I'll give you an example. We started this business. I've seen people actually start doing it, so they'll they'll say, Okay, I'm gonna, I understand it's not gonna be 150% gains in a trade, not gonna happen. I'm not gonna promise that. What I will promise is a couple things. One, you will be in losing positions, you gotta know how to manage those. So it's not just about the strategy, it's about holding your hand through making those positions profitable. Number two is being able to compound it. So I had a situation with a lady named Lori. Law, she was a bridal business. Um, she was started, she was one of our first clients. She started doing this, you know, she was scared because she didn't know if she was gonna get it. Eventually, she started growing. If you do eight to ten percent every month, now she in Ultra's fancy, she was making 20, 25, some eight. So we always say stick to eight because it's safe. But if you get multiple trades, it goes more. So she built up her account, she never really shared, she didn't want she didn't feel comfortable exactly how much. What I will say is she lost her business during COVID, and it was fine, everything was good. She's like, Oh, finally, you know what? I was getting sick of it anyways. I'm just gonna do this, and she actually started, you know, helping us a little bit. But it was like that was the eye-opening for me. I was like, Wow, man, power of compound, and it didn't take her that long. You take a thousand dollars and start doing eight, just a thousand. That's easy. Put in a calculator, um, like one of those uh compound calculators, eight, just do eight to ten percent. It grows, and what most people do with us, they'll you never trust people until you really see it. Usually five months in, they'll see, like, oh, this thing is working, this thing is working. Let me put another five grand in there to accelerate that compound, and that's how you treat it like a business consistency, and then it comes, boom.

SPEAKER_01: 27:24

Yeah, no, it's really important because uh compounding is everywhere in life, right? So we have compound interest, and that's basically the idea of like one plus one equals 11. And you're like, what are you talking about, Jordan? But what it is is like with money, we view it in money most of the time, where where the more money, the better return, the better we're gonna do. The same is true with your mental health, your physical health, your community service. It's it's true with everything, the relationships you make, the pot, like all of it. The more that you're willing to work on yourself and be vulnerable and be like, I don't know what I'm doing. Like, why do you think I do the podcast? I do it because I want to have people come on so I can learn about these different things. So, what is the actual what's the actual strategy? How does it actually work? And bring it down to like real layman's terms. Like, I don't even know what the stock market is. Like, how does it work? We can define terms, we can do all of that.

SPEAKER_00: 28:17

Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. But I'll I'll answer that. But I will say something about the mental health. During the process of this whole thing, I did have a lot of the issues combined. So it was like the relationship was struggling, the mental health was struggling, everything started coming together. It was very, very, very, very difficult. So it all but the second I had a piece, even not losing the job, just having that extra income, knowing that at any point something happens, I have another source, it's ready, we're good to go. That's simple.

SPEAKER_01: 28:51

I completely agree. I mean, I think most people should have multiple streams, and what people don't realize is that that money that they're investing every single becomes a secondary stream. Like, the more streams you have, the less dependent you are on any job, any situation, anything, which allows you to free yourself a lot more. Yep. So, how does the strategy work exactly? And let's let's keep it really like layman's terms to keep it simple.

SPEAKER_00: 29:16

Okay, I'll try. I'll try.

SPEAKER_01: 29:18

It's not I'll help you out. I'll help you out with that.

SPEAKER_00: 29:21

Okay. So basically, we use something called option strategy. Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 29:25

Okay. And what's an option? Just keep it simple.

SPEAKER_00: 29:35

So with options, a lot of people have a belief options are dangerous. And if you believe that, you're probably right. Because if you do it a certain way, you could really be in trouble and lose all your money in a day. That's just how it is.

SPEAKER_01: 29:49

What exactly is an option? Like if we were to keep it even similar.

SPEAKER_00: 29:52

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So imagine this. You wanna you want to make money, right? Yeah, imagine you you want to invest in a house, this big house that's five hundred thousand dollars, just so you could make you know, because you think it's gonna go up 50 grand. Yeah, okay. So think about that. Now I have a house, I have to buy this thing that I don't really want to buy because it's a pain, but I need it's half a million dollars to make 50 grand just to find that buyer. Cool. That's a stock. Stock is like the house.

SPEAKER_02: 30:21

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00: 30:23

But let's just say you own the house or whatever, whatever, whichever way you want to do it. I want to buy it, you know. Uh oh, I have no house. Here's the thing, you want to buy it from me, right? Yeah, I have it, it's 500,000. You believe it's gonna go up to 50.

SPEAKER_01: 30:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 30:37

So what you tell me is, hey man, how about this? I'm gonna give you a thousand bucks. Okay, for this thousand dollars, I want to I want to put a little paper from you, okay. A contract, and this contract is gonna give me the option to buy your house for 500 grand. Okay, uh, for 500 grand, and um if I want to, if this house goes up in value, I'll buy it. If not, no deal.

SPEAKER_02: 31:04

No loss.

SPEAKER_00: 31:05

Okay, okay. Yeah, so which it sounds great because now you could uh make money on that, but here's the cash. You need the you need you need to buy the house if it happens. Yes, but here's the thing I don't care about your house. I don't care about it, I don't want the pain of that. What I have is this little piece of paper right here. See this little piece of paper right here. This little paper that I paid a thousand dollars now is worth three thousand dollars. So forget your house. I'm gonna go and sell this paper for three times the amount. Goodbye. I don't need your house. So I'm using your house as leverage to make money. Yeah, but here's the here's the catch. What we do is we teach you the other way. You know how you own the house, and I just gave you a thousand bucks? Yeah, I'm gonna show you how you could be the guy making these little premiums of thousands. Dollars, two thousand dollars, three thousand, but we're gonna do it without the house safely. So essentially, all you're doing is getting people to give you money, yeah, and we show you how to do it in a way where if the house is five hundred thousand, let's just say, do you really think it's gonna go up to six hundred thousand in a in a month? Probably not, yeah. But somebody believes it and they're gonna give you a thousand, two thousand dollars for it. And there's a seven percent chance of that happening. So all you do is you collecting the pre you're the seller, you're clear, you don't have to time all this perfectly. As long as it doesn't do something crazy, which you have the statistics of seven percent of happening, yeah, and even then you could we teach you how to fix that, but you never need the house. That's the key. We do it in a way where the house doesn't exist, you never have to own anything ever.

SPEAKER_01: 32:47

Okay, so you don't need the whole position because most of the time with options, most people think about it is like I have a hundred shares of something and then I sell an option. This would be different.

SPEAKER_00: 32:59

Yeah, because a hundred shares, yes, and then that's still a good way, and we do teach that how to buy options safely. Absolutely, because if you sell a stock, it's a one-to-one ratio. You have to buy five, let's say a stock is five hundred bucks, you're making a dollar every time it goes up. Yeah, lame. With options, you buy a contract, you pay like a thousand bucks or something, it could go up to thirty percent in one dollar. One dollar move.

SPEAKER_02: 33:25

So we teach you so we start with that.

SPEAKER_00: 33:27

That's a swing trading strategy. We show you that first to build up your account properly. And so we'll teach you how to make eight percent with that way. I say eight percent, a lot of people make more, but we keep you safe. And then we teach you, okay, now that you know how to do this, you have a little 10 grand, 20 grand saved up. How do we leverage this money? Because you could just leverage that money instead of having a house to collect premiums from the market at a 93% win rate, and that's where it becomes easier because you don't have to time it. You don't have to time it perfectly at all.

SPEAKER_01: 33:59

Yeah, but it's an easier way to make money. So, what if that happens? Like, say we have the 20 grand. What what happens then?

SPEAKER_00: 34:05

You put it so you never actually invested. So you go in, you look, you we teach you how to look at a chart and we say, Look, the stock is at a hundred dollars. Based on charting, we don't think it's gonna get to a hundred and fifty. Okay, based on that number, someone's willing to give you a premium right now. Click the button.

SPEAKER_01: 34:29

So, what's the stock at currently? Let's just use this really easy example.

SPEAKER_00: 34:33

Yeah, yeah, hundred stocks at a hundred dollars. Okay, we don't think it's gonna get to one twenty-five based on our statistics. There's a literally tells you the percentage. So if you can't time the market, it tells you 93% chance this will not happen. Okay, which is good, which is good. Great, give me the thousand bucks. You get it money instantly in your account, and then let's just say the 20 grand or whatever we we we h it gets held just in case it ever happens, they have some money to to take. Oh and then so and then here's what happens when you do that, if the stock goes down, which you predicted, you could actually collect that thousand dollars in a couple days because now that contract is worth so you could either get that in a thousand days, a thousand days, get it in a couple days, a thousand dollars, and again, it's not a thousand to twenty thousand. I'm just using random, literally, yeah, yeah. Usually not gonna be twenty grand at all. It'll be maybe it'll be ten grand, ten grand, we'll say that okay. That thousand dollars come in from ten, so they'll put put a hold in that ten thousand. If it if it doesn't go down like you thought, as long as it never gets to one twenty-five, and it has to be towards the end of thirty days, like only those three days. If it never gets there, or even if it gets there and bounces back, you just it expires after 30 days, and you keep your money.

SPEAKER_01: 35:58

That's it, it just expires, and then you get the extra thousand bucks.

SPEAKER_00: 36:02

The thousand dollars is instant.

SPEAKER_01: 36:04

Oh, okay, so it's instant, and then it kind of comes from there.

SPEAKER_00: 36:07

That's it, but things could change if it goes past it, and then we teach you how to uh even maneuver. So it's 93% chance, but we also show you if it does happen, how do you roll a position a certain way, how do we time it? But usually it never happens because we show you exactly where to position it. The key is don't if you're trying to make 40-50, because I could show you how to do that in a one trade, 70, 80, you'll make, but the risks get high and people get cocky. So as long as you understand your brain cannot be a gambling mind because I'll show you how easy it is. People will do like literally three seconds, I'll say five minutes for the whole trade. People like, wait, this is so easy. I could just click here and make 80. And that's after like six, seven trades or six, seven months, people get this false sense of confidence. Yeah, but look, this won't happen. Yes, it will. I have those rules. You follow the rules, you make money. Very simple.

SPEAKER_01: 37:02

Yeah, no, no, no. It's really important for us, especially as we go through our journeys of making more money, having more wealth. You want to actually limit the risk because the less risk we have, the more risk we have. It's just you're opening yourself up to so much more problems, and then you that's when you get scared when you don't know what's going on, when you're concerned. So there are ways to set this up where you're not stressing out because it can be very concerning environment.

SPEAKER_00: 37:29

I I very risk-averse, I don't like to see. Like if I go gambling, I mean, if if I spend a hundred dollars and I lose, I'm I'm upset already. So I don't like that. I can't handle that's what the day trading was really like. I did it, you know, I did a day trading for a whole I gave a good time, like a month. Yeah, I just mentally can't handle it.

SPEAKER_01: 37:51

Personally, yeah, no, no, but that that's an awareness thing that I think a lot of us need to realize, whether it's stocks or not stocks, it's sitting there going, What is my risk tolerance? One, we there's a bell-shaped curve and we all have different risk tolerances. So we need to figure out what that is for a lot of us. And then it's it's really getting to better know ourselves. The more we know ourselves, the better we're gonna do in these environments where something may not go our way and we don't freak out right away, or we have the proper expectations. Because when we don't have those expectations, that's when things start to stress out. So for you, Vlad, there's five pillars of Edwards Consulting: there's mental health, physical health, community service philanthropy, spirituality, and relationships. So for you today, on for you today at this time, what's your mental health like on a one to ten, you think?

SPEAKER_00: 38:39

One to ten, I would say an eight. And the reason I say, yeah, I'll tell you. Um, and it's not to do with really trading. My whole thing right now is we have a lot of uh I take my career very seriously because when I started, it was all about giving back. You know, we did it during COVID, is really when we took off because a lot of people lost their jobs, and that was stressful because a lot of people come to us. Um, what stresses me out right now is that so many people are losing their jobs, and you know, I wish I could help more people, I really do. But unfortunately, when we you do one-on-one coaching, it's not the best thing for business because you have to give everybody a certain attention, and we do have a guarantee in our program. So that that's been really hard. Just you know, we want to help people, but I have to sometimes, if you're not you don't qualify, we can't just because it's just so many, you know. It it's yeah, of course, help as many people as possible. So it stresses me out a little bit, but outside of that, I mean it's not too bad. Um, we just it's more of just trying to take over more and more and try to help as much as I can. And you know, that's always gonna be. I'm never gonna be a 10, just not.

SPEAKER_01: 39:46

Yeah, no, of course, of course. But I mean, how does your mental health compare to where you were at the corporate job? Like, how does that make a difference? Yeah, night and day.

SPEAKER_00: 39:54

Wait, you said there's no negatives, right?

SPEAKER_01: 39:57

No, you can say negative, you could say whatever you want, but I mean, how how is it?

SPEAKER_00: 40:00

Negative five, maybe?

SPEAKER_01: 40:01

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_00: 40:02

It was no, it was it was bad. So it just because it was a combination, because the way it hit, it's like it was I knew would the second I felt a certain way, it was only a matter of time that I would lose my position just because I wasn't performing to the level they need me to. And in corporate, someone's right there waiting. You ready? You ready? As soon as you have a weakness up, let's go. And you know, and and and you could I tried to deny myself saying, No, no, no, it won't, you know, it's not gonna happen, it's not gonna happen. You know, you just live in denial, and when it does, it just hits you like a rock, man. Because it's like, there it is.

SPEAKER_01: 40:41

Well, the big the biggest thing, the biggest advice I ever got was if you have a fear of losing your job, sit in that and then do everything that you would do. So, like, if you were to lose your job, what are you gonna do? One, two, three, four, five. And once you go through that experience, then when it actually happens, you're like, been there, done that, ready. Because that's the biggest fear is that we don't prepare ourselves for all these different things that can happen. Like, you could lose all your clients today, you could lose a million different things. And it's just if you're really scared about something, prepare mentally for it, and then you can start to apply that to your life so that you're much more prepared because it might happen in six, 12, 18, 24 months. And then when the time comes, you're good to go.

SPEAKER_00: 41:26

Yeah, yeah. And that's that's why I'm you know, I I love seeing people getting like you just said, when you ask that question, be careful what you wish for, because you know what I then you face the fear of, well, I don't know what I'll do, so I'm not gonna lose my job, I'm not gonna lose my job. Nope, nope, nope, no, no, no, don't I don't want to hear, but bro, it's like it's facing you in the face. Like, there's AI, there's this, there's this, there's the boss, there's you know, you're not doing this, you're not doing that. You just saw 16,000 people that go. I wasn't uh nope, live in denial, path of leadership.

SPEAKER_01: 41:56

Yeah, no, no, exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_00: 41:58

Good luck, buddy.

SPEAKER_01: 41:59

Yeah, no, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00: 42:00

I was one of those people, so I know. I'm no judgment.

SPEAKER_01: 42:03

No, we all we all have been there, and like the way that I actually really think about it is like, okay, if you actually have this fear, start planning ahead. And the more you plan, the better you're gonna feel mentally when the time actually comes. Now, physical health on a one to ten, how are you feeling about your physical health?

SPEAKER_00: 42:18

Feeling good. Um, so the the fact that you know you control your schedule does help. So I have you know, I'm always uh, you know, I'm big on steps, I'm always you know, I average about 16 to 17,000 steps every single day. Wow.

SPEAKER_01: 42:32

And how do you how do you do that? Um, just because the one thing that I'm trying to do is so that the audience actually knows, like, okay, he's doing 16 to 17. How is he doing that? And uh, the other thing I want everyone to realize is that Vlad is actually measuring and monitoring his results. Most people, you ask them their average step, they're like, uh I don't know.

SPEAKER_00: 42:53

No, I I've learned you know what I've learned, and I think somebody even mentioned it in one of your podcasts. I think what whatever you measure gets better.

SPEAKER_01: 43:02

Yes. So absolutely, that's one of my favorite lines.

SPEAKER_00: 43:05

I monitor, do I monitor, and and you could tell right away if I'm not, and I monitor my macros I eat, I monitor my steps. I so to answer your question, sometimes I get busy. I I literally, if you look at the bottom here, I have a stand-up desk. So I have a treadmill right here. I have a treadmill downstairs, like my normal treadmill. Everything's convenient to make sure I hit steps. If I'm on a call with you, obviously I'm not gonna do that on a here, but if me and you are having just a zoom call, sometimes I'll do uh uh clients like we'll just talk, you know. So we'll uh I'll be on my treadmill. And what I've learned, I thought is is that rude? Now, like a lot of our clients, I got the treadmill too, so I don't feel like I know, I know.

SPEAKER_01: 43:46

I do the same thing because you start to realize that like the more you're moving, like it it literally the standing desk is like a hundred bucks, the mini treadmills are like a hundred bucks, and it completely changes your health dynamic. And a lot of us are like rude, rude, no, no, no, not at all. Like, it gives you the peace of mind. So I appreciate you sharing that strategy because a lot of us need that, you know what I mean? A lot of us struggle and don't know where to find the time, and it sucks when you're at a desk and you got to sit all day, it's not gonna help you get there.

SPEAKER_00: 44:15

Yeah, and you don't have to sit. That's the best. The only thing I'd be careful with is especially when you're doing these types of podcasts, if you start doing it and I start doing it, try doing this. We'll both look like we're dancing together. It's kind of weird. So it starts getting awkward when both of us, yeah, man, what's going on? How's your trade going? Yeah, great. I'm profitable.

SPEAKER_01: 44:37

It's weird, but um, that's funny. And then what about community service philanthropy? How how do you think about that? Is there anywhere that you give or you donate or give time or think about that at all? Because some people are like, dude, not really present. Some people are like, yo, I actually do all this.

SPEAKER_00: 44:53

Yeah, um, I don't always like as far as officially give like to a charity, yeah. Yeah, but as far as like I like I like to give back, I like to see my ROI. And I don't mean like as far as I want to see somebody get better, maybe call it selfish. It I of contribution to me is very like it feels like the soul is being fulfilled.

SPEAKER_02: 45:15

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00: 45:16

I to me, I for me to get that, I need to see people grow by me contributing. That's like my selfish way of saying. So, a lot of people I've done a lot of training for a lot of people that I know, a lot of people in the community who I'm like, hey, they need help, they need help. Obviously, I could tell you, yeah, I give away stuff like I yes, I do do that. Yeah, of course. But the way what stands out in my mind is like seeing like a friend of mine, you know, they we sat down a few times, kind of told him a few things because he they were losing their job. And now they him and his son come over and they're like, teach us. So now they're both got into it. So things like that. Like, I love doing that, it's almost like a hobby.

SPEAKER_01: 45:56

Just well, I mean, it's important because it's uh it's this idea of mentorship. So a lot of us don't realize that maybe we're further along in one area of our life, one of these five pillars, and we can actually help people in different ways. And then by doing that, you're actually fulfilling a lot of different needs that we have. And most of us see community service as oh, I have to go help the homeless or I have to go help this, but like helping burnt out employees create more income, that's a passionate thing. Like, that's a big thing.

SPEAKER_00: 46:27

Yeah, yeah. You're talking about these uh factors that you're talking about. I think I don't I think it was a Tony Robbins thing or something where he talked and kind of stuck in my head. It was, you know, we have like these needs of of uh security and uncertainty and all these types of things, but your ultimate goal is to live a life of contributing and growing. And I'm like, Yes, that means you're financially good, you're feel secure about your life, your relationship, everything, but you can't just die, you don't just okay, that's it. No, you literally just obsessively focus on like like Bill Gates, can you know, contributing to others and growing as a human and helping, then you're living a life of fulfillment and not just success.

SPEAKER_01: 47:07

Yes, absolutely, absolutely. So, anyone doing that, you can you might realize that you have a lot of value to give back. Um, what about your relationships on a one to ten? How do you feel about that?

SPEAKER_00: 47:19

Um I I have a great wife, married, we have a great kid. Um, I mean, I love my relationships, they're they're amazing.

SPEAKER_01: 47:26

So, what are some of the tips or tricks you might use for your relationships if someone's sitting there like, how does he do that? Like, is there anything you do specifically or intentionally that kind of helps with that?

SPEAKER_00: 47:36

Yeah, so I used to have a relationship before it wasn't so good years ago, 15, 20 years ago, I don't remember. But I to me, if I don't know something, like I felt like I wasn't doing something right, I have to learn about it. And I literally have a strategy in my mind of everything I try to do. I'm just obsessed. But the biggest thing to me is all the one thing I see people do, obviously, any relationship comes back to two things it's trust and communication. If you take any relationship you have, you tell me it's not good, I guarantee it comes down to was that somebody lie or somebody was afraid to say something. Yes, and that would that's it. So in a nutshell, I focus on those two things and always try to understand the other person's uh worldview. So yes, it's so if someone curses me out, let's say, you know, and I and I'm not even joking, I'm I I swear on anything. I I've been married for 14 years, I don't think we've ever really had a fight because I'm so proactive. I'm always trying to understand their point of view and how they think instead of just me. And I'm always proactive. What need am I not fulfilling for this? Like you mentioned, these needs, but let me focus on her needs from one to 10. Am I being am I feeling giving her security? Am I giving her the variety of life that she wants? Does she feel important? Does she feel like I'm giving love? And I have to, you know, and sometimes I'll ask, how are we doing? We're good, okay. Proactive question. That's all.

SPEAKER_01: 48:58

No, no, no. This is a really important thing because it it shows an extreme ownership and extreme accountability about life, where it's not like she got upset because of this. It's like, no, I gotta take full ownership of like what did I do wrong and how can I improve that, or how can I be proactive? And like, like one of the tips I have about me and my wife is like, we don't even say fights. We because that's just such an angry word. We just say tips, we just have tiffs, and it's like no, because it's these little things that you don't realize, like the words we use really do make a big difference. And then the other big one I was gonna bring up is the communication thing. Like, if you have some bad news to tell someone, tell them earlier than later. Like it makes a massive difference. We do not like hearing communication that we know is gonna affect us negatively later on, because then that person can't make a change of plans or can't make a difference, and that can lead to a lot of uh frustration. So now the last one spirituality. Some people see this as I you can interpret it however you want. What do you think of that on a zero to ten or a one to ten? Because some people are like, I'm not religious, some people are like, I see us all interconnected, it could be whatever you want it to be.

SPEAKER_00: 50:06

Yeah, um, I'm not a church goer or something like that. I'm Jewish, so yeah, I'm Jewish too. Oh, okay, perfect. We we we can combine it, but no, uh, so when I used to be young, I used to be young, um, I uh I used to go to a yeshiva. Oh wow, yeah. So in I used to live in Brooklyn and now, you know, so I was very much I had the little that's immersed, yeah. Oh wow, yeah, yeah, yeah. I had to change my name. I was very deeply into it at a young age of like an eight or nine. Wow. And yeah, and then I had to go to public school because my parents couldn't afford that school or whatever. But um, I've learned to talk to God. I do talk like when I was so one of the things I do why I hate a lot of steps, whether it's treadmill or I go outside, and usually it's nighttime. Like, really, like that's my time to think, and I'll get go out literally for two hours, I'll just walk, maybe hour and a half, and I'll reflect and I think about those type of that's my spirituality, is kind of you know, do it that way, put on some prayer music and just just talk and think and feel like, yeah, you know, be be gr a lot of gratitude, you know, what's going on and things like that.

SPEAKER_01: 51:19

So, but I don't officially like go to a place no no no no, but I think that's important for us to realize that you find whatever works best for you. You know what I mean? Because there's so many of us that go through this life where we never find any place for that. So if you can find the place and find the routine, that's more important than it doesn't matter if you get checked in at the temple or the church every single week because half the people aren't present with it. It's the presence with it and then doing whatever it is. Like for me, I went on a six-mile run this morning. The funny thing was, I waved at every single person. I said, good morning. Do you know how many people proactively said good morning to me? Like zero. How many people actually responded? Like 25%, because most of them have their headphones in and they're just not even looking. So it's just how do we stay interconnected? How do we think about these things? And how do we realize that we're bigger than just being here? Like, you know what I mean? We got to make our lives impactful. Absolutely. Absolutely. So, Vlad, where can people learn more about you? Where can they learn about the trading strategy? How where can the people learn about this?

SPEAKER_00: 52:21

No, I've um so I actually um I really liked your podcast. So I actually made a special little gift for you guys. Um, so if you're on here, I I have a community that's usually for my paid clients. A lot of my paid clients might be upset about it, but um, I got you something where you get the full strategy, and you could go live with me as well once a week, and I'm gonna give it a no charge. So all you gotta do is I provided the link for you below. It's called the trading community vault. So you'll be able to see everything there and check it out, see what you what you think, you know, message me, and I think you'll really enjoy it. Absolutely, that's awesome. Yeah, even offer yeah, we even offered like consultation calls if you want to learn more about hey, where you're at in life, what's going on, and you could you know you could get help, and we'll have me or one of my pro professionals to really see where your situation is so we could guide you in the right direction.

SPEAKER_01: 53:14

I love that. Yeah, I'll put all this in the show notes too, guys. Um Vlad, I really want to thank you for coming on. You're amazing.

SPEAKER_00: 53:20

I appreciate it, man. Thank you. I've it was a pleasure. So I'm glad hopefully you could we could impact a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01: 53:26

I hope so.