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And"},{"speaker":"Victoria Volk","startTime":1989.18,"endTime":1993.44,"body":"remember, when you unleash your"},{"speaker":"Victoria Volk","startTime":1989.18,"endTime":1993.44,"body":"heart, you unleash your life."},{"speaker":"Victoria Volk","startTime":1993.8,"endTime":1994.49,"body":"Much love."},{"speaker":"Victoria Volk","startTime":2003.97,"endTime":2007.63,"body":"From my heart to yours. Thank"},{"speaker":"Victoria Volk","startTime":2003.97,"endTime":2007.63,"body":"you for listening. If you liked"},{"speaker":"Victoria Volk","startTime":2007.63,"endTime":2012.25,"body":"this episode, please share it"},{"speaker":"Victoria Volk","startTime":2007.63,"endTime":2012.25,"body":"because Sharing is caring. And"},{"speaker":"Victoria Volk","startTime":2012.25,"endTime":2015.79,"body":"until next time, give and share"},{"speaker":"Victoria Volk","startTime":2012.25,"endTime":2015.79,"body":"compassion by being hurt with"},{"speaker":"Victoria Volk","startTime":2015.79,"endTime":2019.93,"body":"yours. And if you're hurting"},{"speaker":"Victoria Volk","startTime":2015.79,"endTime":2019.93,"body":"know that what you're feeling is"},{"speaker":"Victoria Volk","startTime":2019.93,"endTime":2023.29,"body":"normal and natural. Much love my"},{"speaker":"Victoria Volk","startTime":2019.93,"endTime":2023.29,"body":"friend"}]}