RAPOLOGY RADIO SHOW | SPECIAL GUEST: MACS THEREALIST

I'm sitting with the one and only artist known as Macs The Realist and listen we did over a 2 HOUR show but for time I cut it down but there is so much meat left on the bone so show this episode some love and ill drop all the bonus talk for you guys!! ON THIS SHOW we talk about his new music and project 'THE HOV TAPE", Being a father, Do Artist list matter, His music journey and what it's like having a big brother for a rap partner and influence.

Transcript

SPEAKER_08 0:02

What's going on, everybody? It is your boy Mature the Service Man here for another episode of Rapology, man. It is the Maturity Productions Network show brought to you, man, by your boy Mature the Servant, man. Y'all definitely tap in with us on all podcast platforms, man. That's right. That's Spotify. That's that's that's iHeart. That's Apple Podcasts.Anywhere you listen to podcasts, man, you check us out. Maturity Productions Network, home of various podcasts, such as uh uh uh Therapy and Motion, the original design, the not very mature podcast, and of course this one right here, man, Rap Ology with yours truly, man. We are in the building, man. I got a special, special, special guest. Listen, he's so special that when our original plan almost failed through, I said, bro, I will come to you. Cause I'm not gonna let this fall through. Listen, and I had to travel to your man. I packed up all the equipment, I've grabbed it all. Wifey said, Where you going? I said, Don't worry about it. I'm leaving, I got something to do. And I done came to sit with my man's. This is my my my my brother, man. I have so much respect for this guy. I have so much admiration for this guy. This is not me putting premium gas in him. This is me telling you the truth. Ladies and gentlemen, I am sitting in the building with a man who I will give him this button because he deserves this button.

SPEAKER_04 1:21

That's why he's the GOAT!

SPEAKER_08 1:23

The GOAT! Listen, I am sitting with a man. This is he is a one of the greatest rappers I've I've heard. He's one of my favorite uh uh unknown artists that you may not have heard of. He's one of the best that I've seen, one of the best performers, not on wax, off wax, he knows how to do it, man. This man is is a kind hearted, he's a generous person, he is a thoughtful person, he is a great spirit man and a great energy man. Listen, y'all make some noise for my boy Max the realest in the building.

SPEAKER_10 1:56

Man, he's telling you all these untruths about me. This is crazy. This is crazy. I appreciate that, bro. I love like a motherfucker, man.

SPEAKER_08 2:06

Man, it is glad to have you in the building, man. Uh man, first off, man, how you doing, man? How you feeling?

SPEAKER_10 2:11

Man, I'm fantastic, bro. Uh uh things are in motion, man, and uh, you know what I mean? I got my shit with uh the tape, I got Kobe Young, yeah. You know what I mean? I got uh low life, I got shit with going on with Patty, Bubby, everything, like everything is moving moving forward, and I'm uh I'm gonna be uh a huge forward.

SPEAKER_08 2:35

Man, listen. This man is on the roll, man. I I'm glad to have you, bro. I want you to understand that this is this is more of a an honor for me than it is for you because I I truly um respect everything I've seen you do since the first moment I've seen you perform. There are a lot of artists, man. I I I don't try to hate artists who perform. I try not to be negative towards artists, but I try to be realistic in the sense of I put hours into my craft so I know that when I step forward, I try to give people the best experience I can give them. And I know a lot of artists who do not step in front of a crowd or grab a mic and they do that. They they go up there, they do their little rapidity dab, and that's cool. It has been a pleasure, bro, to see you perform multiple times. You you you've done it with beats, without beats, acapella, with bands, with the on wax, off wax, bro. You have truly shown just how talented, how dedicated, and how craftsmanship you are to this, to this art form, bro. It is not overlooked, it is not underappreciated. I think you you set a bar along with a a bunch of other artists who I respect as well. But you are in that group of artists that when I think about laying a track, when I think about doing music, I'm asking myself when this person hears it. And we just did this because I played some songs for you just recently off the new album that's coming out.

SPEAKER_10 4:03

Which was absolutely amazing and fire, if I might add. I appreciate it. Listen, listen, y'all know it, man, it's coming.

SPEAKER_08 4:10

It's coming, it's coming. So, you know, it's one of those things, man, that when I I I pin songs, I think about the artists who I have the most respect for. And I ask myself, would would they approve of this? Would and not to say that it's it's about the approval, but it's about knowing that if I have such an ear for hearing their stuff, will they have an ear to hear what I'm doing? And and I I look to that measuring stick, and brother, I have put you in that class of artists that I've met over 20 years of doing music. I've met a ton of artists, I've done tours, I've done everything, I've been places, I've seen people from all over, and I put you in that top class of people who I look at. I'm like, that guy, that guy, I respect his pen, I respect his craft. So when I write, I make sure I stay at the level that my colleagues and my peers are, brother. So I appreciate you, you know what I'm saying, for being the talent that you are. That's love, man. So this interview is super, super, super dear to me, man. Well, listen, man, y'all know what this is. This is the Rap Alogy G Radio Show, man. We got tons of independent artists that we're gonna play today, man. People that you may not have heard of. This is the independent radio station for independent artists, creating a platform for them to get their stuff heard first. We're about to get into some music, and then we're gonna come back because I really want to talk about my homeboy as an artist and everything he got going on, man. He just dropped the hove tape. Listen. Y'all need to go check this out. I need him to give me all breakdowns about that. So let's get into our playlist, man. Let's get some music, man, by some dope independent artists. Starting off with my homeboy who came in as a special guest last week, my homeboy Tom Gotti. We're gonna get into one of his songs, and then we're gonna give y'all some dope artists along the way, man. So y'all stay with us, man. It is the rapology podcast here on the maturity productions network, man. Let's tap in with it. Let's get in. Let's go.

SPEAKER_10 6:01

What up, baby? It's your boy, Mature the Serving. Tone Got it, got it. Listen, we ain't flying spirit no more, baby. We on Delta, we going up with it. Go ahead and pack your bag.

SPEAKER_07 6:13

Go ahead and call your mama. Tell her I got a spot for her too. You don't need no money, you don't need no money. We all black cars right here. Just booked a new establishment. You tell me I'm the one, you wanna travel on the travel. When I'm fucking grabbed a travel kit. I know you like the fact that I be having it. I know you see me swervin. You tell me I'm a troll and I'm a serving. You told me that your ex is steady lurking. But I'ma fly the pressure, think it's worth it. Let's get it. Let's hit the stage and get a B and B and B. Me and you be vibing phone, right on D. We pullin' up our crust, we drinkin' in the six. That lookin' kickin' and you tellin' tennis. You far away from home from your enemies. Focus on me, baby. I need you in the middle. Trip to Puerto Rico where we finna be cut up in the room, then no freaking sticks. This is how I was supposed to be with you. Supposed to be with you. For real. All around the world. I try to for you. Let's get it. This is how I was supposed to be with you. This is how it's fun.

SPEAKER_08 7:23

I just wanna travel with you. Yesterday took a flight to Paris. Got you tryna climb my Eiffel Tower. Send you flyers from Japan in a box with a silk comoto. Like they doin' Kama Sutra in my dojo. You got that brain like Mojo Jojo. Niggas only play games like your name, Nintendo. But I never leave you lackin'. I'm only wrote you packin'. Putting stamps on your passport. Where we mapping? My five miles just ran up. I call the pilot right now, baby.

SPEAKER_07 7:49

This is how I was supposed to be with you. Supposed to be with you. All around the world I travel through. This is how I was supposed to be with you. I just wanna travel with you. Travel with you. This is how I was supposed to be with you. For you This is how I was supposed to be with you. I just wanna travel with you.

SPEAKER_08 8:31

How I was supposed to be with you.

SPEAKER_03 9:14

I be going back to circles. I know the world's getting coded. I think the devil knows my soul. I just wanna escape. I just wanna be with you. I just wanna be back. I just wanna be freaking freaking I might be all back. I don't read I drop life in a reject and I had no read. I would start, I would be going back, I double, I just want to try to move me, try to move me, try to move me, try to pick you up, you like to move me.

SPEAKER_02 10:56

Now tell me what you do and the words come out and the herd come out and the words come out, like the same. Love me not the same. Love is not a game. You cannot escape you, just angry at the moment. Love me like you wanna freak me, I can teach me how you won't wanna go in back.

SPEAKER_03 11:25

I don't work at the card. I think the double lawn I just wanna stay back. I just wanna be where you are. I just wanna leave. I just wanna be freaking freaking shut diamonds from his eyes.

SPEAKER_11 12:01

Ungrateful life Ungrateful life F Then twist this Nigga, I've been blessed.

SPEAKER_14 12:18

So I start to talk about the stress. Bitch, I get the shit off my chest, fans poppin' out of my neck. I was tryna do what's best, then I got the nerve to think less. I just suppressed, I get depressed. I ain't gon' flesh, nigga. That's why I live. Too much on my mind, so I ran from the test. I've been confessed, I just suppressed. I don't wanna feel that shit. I don't wanna I don't wanna feel that shit. I come down and reveal that shit. Sparkin at the blunt, I ain't healed that quick. I ain't never spoken how they change on the niggas. Would've died for you that was real back then. Would've thought the money or the fame would've split us. We was still tryna get a deal back then. I ain't kept calm through the storm. I was mourn in the storm, I was torn, I was craving the peace. Feel like motherfuckers do me wrong, it's the norm. I'ma adopt in my form, I'm reborn. This is phase number three. At a discourse with the woman I adore, we at war, but of course she gon' blame it on me. Talking cash shit, but I came with receipts. The rage is the pain and the shame of the seat. Slayed to the wave like a change on my feet. Distinct for the game, cause the fame isn't cheap. I refrain from the claims of the grace. If a lame in my lane, I'ma bring roll rage in the street. Whoops, hang on a V, loop hang on a V, let my name within lead. Rose like I'm jailin', I came from the D. I rose from the bull, then it came to a knee. All praise to the king, I'm blessed. So it's hard to talk about the stress. Bitch, I get the shit off my chest. Veins poppin' out of my neck. I was tryna do what's best. Then I got the nerve to think blessed I just suppressed, I get depressed. I ain't gon' flex, nigga. That's why I left. Too much on my mind, so I ran from the test. I've been confessed, I just suppressed. I wanna feel that shit. I wanna, I don't wanna feel that shit. I calm down and reveal that shit. Sparkin't up the blunt, how you heal that quick. I ain't never smoking how they change on the nigga. Would've died for you that was real back then. Would've thought the money or the fame would have split us. We was still tryna get a deal back, deal back, deal back.

SPEAKER_19 14:14

Hey, four grams in the blood. No, I keep it on me. You're stepping over competition, keep the answer on me. I got the game on look like the pistons in O3. Rockin' with the gang or not. I just punched up the float see. Now our test is we're both. Bless the plug, that's blessing me. Keep me out of arms, reaching out the slice to the police. Bless these hoes, they got me painting on their walls and off the street. In the field, they need no cliques. If the rare race got the cheese. Ooh, hey, roll another fly. I've been tunnel vision with it. I can't socialize. I can't care about my image, I'll socialize. They call me toxic, cause I'm with it when you tell me slides. Too much winning, I can't see the head. I had to learn all my biggest losses. Came from homestead. Had to learn to let go of the past and disassociate. Had to interwork my universe and beef about my space.

SPEAKER_18 15:00

Look at me, I'm undefeated. I stopped tricking off the master card, I fuck with V. Start my day with a QP. But that was just a tea bitch. Perfect for that money, give it up only.

SPEAKER_19 15:10

Uh oh no, I keep it on me. Steppin' over competition, keep the answer on me. Got the game on like the pistons in O3. Rockin' with the gang or not. That's punched up the float. See now our test is worth both. Bless the blood that's busted me. Keep me out of arms, reaching out the sights to the police. Bless these hoes that got me painting on their walls and out the street. Red in the field, I need no cleats. If the rare race got the cheat, oh, grams in the blood. No, I keep it on me. Steppin' over competition, keep the answer on me. I got the game on like the pistons in O3. You rockin' with the gang or not. I just punched up the float see. Now our test is we're bows. Bless the plug that's blessing me. Keep me out of arms, reaching out the sights of the fullies. Bless these hoes that got me painting on their walls and off the street. Ran the field, they need no cleats.

SPEAKER_20 15:51

If the rat race got the cheese Pussy is niggas. Drumline with the 30 apple bands on it. We get evil in this bitch. We done stuck it with the pistols. I leave you in this bitch. Hey, we got steppers, real steppers. Fuck the people that you with. Hey, red bear, hell bearers, tell them people that you bitch. I'm many times a guy telling niggas take before you step. Don't want no jury off a bitch, but I'll blow it off your neck. I die for my respect. But if you fucking want my money, you gon' die for disrespect. Hey bitch, we spent the time like you drop my mess. We to fire from it. Shut the hell for the 30 seconds. How many times tell you day before you step? Fuck the paper, bitch, but I die for my respect. You gon' die from disrespect, nigga. I wash my hands on it. Hey bitch, we really own you. And I'ma stand on it. I showed my bro the pictures, he took his hands on it. Drumline with the 30, I put pants on it. Fuck your jury, bitch, but I'll blow it off your neck. Fuck the paper, bitch, but I'll die for my respect. But fuckin' with my paper, you gon' die from disrespect, nigga.

SPEAKER_00 17:52

Why they cheat when he has pussy right in front of him? All I do is smile, and I know that he is touchable. I ain't even touch him, but I know that he is fuckable. Maybe if you're lucky, you can eat me like a lunchable. You cannot get clothes, baby. I ain't even huggable. I ran a man pockets, cause he owes me that's deductible. Every time I spit, I make these niggas so uncomfortable. I'm drunk right now, and these demons taking over me. I know my head is spinning, but I'm right where I'm supposed to be. If I'm being honest, think these demons taking over me. Drowning in the liquor, talking pools of the Hennessy. Sorry, I've been gone. I had to get up on my trippy shit. Niggas unoriginal, bitches, they be counterfeit. Every time I shoot it, yeah, I hit and now I'll never miss. He call me Meg nasty. You know that he make loving ass. Body cheat with me as pussy right in front of him. All I do is smile, and I know that he is touchable. I ain't even touch him, but I know that he is fuckable. Maybe if you're lucky, you can eat me like a lunchable. You cannot get clothes, baby. I ain't even huggable. I ran a man's pockets, cause he owes me those deductible. Every time I spit, I make these niggas so uncomfortable. Every time I spit, I make these niggas so uncomfortable. Ugh. Lyric, come on now, you ain't have to spaz on him. Could give a fuck about a hater, I just laugh at him. But I can teach you something, lyric, go to class on him. I don't hate with females, I don't clash with them. Pull up on my dollo, do the dash on them. All I do is work, get a bag and cash on 'em. All I do is work, get a bag and cash on him. Why they cheat when he has pussy right in front of 'em. All I do is smile, and I know that he is touchable. I ain't even touch him, but I know that he is fuckable. Maybe if you're lucky, you can eat me like a lunchable. You cannot get clothes, baby, I ain't even huggable. I ran a man pockets, cause he owe me this deductible. Every time I spit, I make these niggas so uncomfortable. Why they cheat when he has pussy right in front of him. All I do is smile, and I know that he is touchable. I ain't even touch him, but I know that he is fuckable. Maybe if you're lucky, you can eat me like a lunchable. You cannot get clothes, baby. I ain't even huggable. I ran a man pockets, cause he owe me this deductible. Every time I spit, I make these niggas so uncomfortable. Every time I spit, I make these niggas so uncomfortable, bitch.

SPEAKER_08 19:51

We are back with it, man. It's the rapology radio podcast, man, here with the one and only Maxter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, bro, man, um tell me a little bit, man, about your your musical journey, bro. Cause I I I I obviously know what I've seen you do. But prior to the beginnings, the the the the the infancy of your musical career, man, how did you get into rap? What was the inspiration? What kind of made you realize I got something special? I'm gonna take it more seriously. What was those early days of of your music career?

SPEAKER_10 20:34

Um I mentioned this all the time. Um it was it was my brother. My brother Mike fell. Microphone fell. He was uh he was cold as hell. I mean, he's still cold as cold as hell. Really motivated me on some real shit was pussy. Okay. And uh what not pussy, but uh this motherfucker don't miss.

SPEAKER_08 22:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_10 22:09

Um I just saw the uh the adoration that uh my brothers were getting and I decided to, you know, because I wanted to be a lawyer.

SPEAKER_08 22:20

Really? Wow, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_10 22:24

I wanted to be a lawyer. My whole life I wanted to be a lawyer. Um I'm still pursuing that to this. Okay, okay, that's what's up with the legal record. It's crazy. But um when I saw the love that they was getting, I wanted to try it out. And I I wrote a poem, it was called Jordans. Okay, it was about um how my peer group loved Jordans, and it was a contradiction. It was a whole piece about the contradiction of like the Michael Jordan shoes and what they were doing to you know my community. Okay. And, you know, at some point I realized I was cold, and then I had this guy named John Beto. He's a bitch ass nigga. Um my God. Jeez. Um however, you know, uh, bitch ass nigga shit aside, uh, during that time that I was trying to uh become an artist, he listened to my music every day. Every day, every night. Um so this detach that bitch nigga shit aside. You know, shit that we have personally. But um he listened to my music every single night. He would tell me if it was good or bad or whatever, and Phelps did the same thing. Phelps would always tell me all my shit was bad. Dang. All of it. He was like, But he broke you no grace. None, none whatsoever. Um John Bito, you know, he would tell me, you know, this shit got potential, you know what I mean? You should do this and that, that's okay, okay. And uh eventually I got really good. Honestly, uh that's what happened. I just got really good and then life hit me. You know, um, I was raised a little bit differently than the rest of my brothers, and um experiences happened, and uh I just got really good at at um talking about my life and that's where Max the Realist came from. My friends would tell me, like, you know, because Max is not short for Malcolm. Malcolm's my real name. Okay. Max came from my uh full name initials, Malcolm Adam Clayton Stewart. I was named after Malcolm Max. Okay. Clayton Powell. And um my friend Pierre started calling me Max. And once I started rapping, and I'm talking about the shit that we were all dealing with at the time, they they they named me Max Stewart. Right. Because I was just talking some real shit. And um that's how it happened. And I just started rapping from there on, and I wanted to make sure that everything that I uh rapped about was was real. Right. Real, it was honest and um transparent. And I just feel like that's just where it started. No, 100%. It ended the same way.

SPEAKER_08 25:26

That's what's up, man. I I I I know that like again, I've seen you perform, man, and and and been just like wow, that just you know I'm saying the way you capture audiences, man. Like, what goes into that for you? What for I know for me as an artist, before if anybody ever really pays attention, I'm I'm gone pretty much sometimes up until I gotta perform. Because I'm literally MM in the bathroom, eight mile, you know what I'm saying, with my earbuds on, going over my set somewhere off in the distance, getting myself mentally trained to get ready to do a performance. For you, you you go up, you capture audiences, whether you start off acapella, whether you don't or not. But what is it for you that you lock into when you go in front of an audience versus when you're writing and you're recording? There's a different mode that I feel like you go into when you are performing. What what do you have to do to get there?

SPEAKER_10 26:27

Well, the thing is it's kind of like the same thing.

SPEAKER_08 26:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_10 26:31

Um this is gonna sound corny, but I genuinely like to see people smile.

SPEAKER_08 26:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_10 26:42

Um you know me, so it's like you know I'm always joking and shit, you know what I mean? Um I like to see people act. Right. That's just something that's a part of me. And um when I perform, I I guess I just know how to make people smile. Or at least I think I do. So when I perform, I always want to bring energy out of people because that's something that a lot of people don't tap into. They don't tap into their own energy. So I feel like I have uh an innate ability to bring energy out of people and make them relax. You know what I mean? Like, no, like listen, give me give me some reaction. Right. You're excited to be here, you're here for a reason. Right. Let's talk. Yeah, let's kick it, let's let's bring some energy there. And that's what I feed off of. I feed off of trying to make people feel how I feel. Because when I get on that stage, I feel I feel happy. I feel uh one with the people that's there, and I just want to make sure everybody is on that same accord. So um a lot of people think that I'm a like a great performer, but it's just literally me just kicking it with people. That's my life. My life is just kicking with people.

SPEAKER_08 28:05

That's what's up. That's what's up. Did you ever get to a place where your brother like acknowledged and was like, bro, you there? You know what I'm saying? Where you talked about like how you at first he was like, hey, this garbage, this garbage. Did you did you ever reach that point where he finally was like, bro, yeah, this is it? And and and what did that mean to you because of the fact you know that you started off with a lot of no grace coming from your brother to finally get in that place where he's like, Yeah, this is it.

SPEAKER_10 28:34

There was a particular track, it was the Maybach music uh track with uh it was it was Rick Ross beat, and me and Phelps got on it, and you know I don't feel like he does this be it's hard to say, like I feel like he wants to kill me on every track.

SPEAKER_08 28:56

Okay, that's not like that's not like some brother some brother competition.

SPEAKER_10 29:01

But I but I want to kill him too. Like, I don't gotta get killed. That's the thing.

SPEAKER_08 29:06

I understand. Okay.

SPEAKER_10 29:08

I want to put this on the floor. I feel like Microphone Phelps is the absolute best rapper of all human history. I feel like nobody can rap better than this guy. Okay. He's just like literally, there's no limits to where he can take it as an MC.

SPEAKER_08 29:27

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_10 29:28

So every time that I rap with him, I just want to make sure that I don't get killed. Gotcha. He's like, I want to make sure I'm on par. I got you. You know what I mean? I don't want everybody to be like, damn, he's so much better than his little brother. Right, right, right. So um I do my best to make sure that uh I'm doing my part in making sure that the lyrics that I spit resonate.

SPEAKER_08 29:58

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_10 29:59

So um he doesn't feel this way. He thinks I'm the best rapper.

SPEAKER_08 30:04

Really?

SPEAKER_10 30:05

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 30:06

That's what's up.

SPEAKER_10 30:08

Um but to answer your question, he did feel that way at a point to where he was like, oh yeah, my brother. It was this uh Maybach music track. Um we went off Maybach music and I snapped. I snapped with him.

SPEAKER_08 30:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_10 30:26

And ever since, he was just he he just respected me as an artist. You know, um and whenever we rap together now, you know, he just respects the fact that, you know, like I'm cold-blooded. Yeah, yeah. But I I I wholeheartedly believe that Microphone Phelps put this shit on the record. So it's on record that on record. Microphone Phelps is the most lyrically inclined human being. That's dope.

SPEAKER_08 30:52

That's dope. That's dope. Hey, shout out to Bro Man Phelps. I remember I had seen you perform a bunch before I've even had seen your brother perform. And I remember when I actually first seen you guys or him perform, y'all both had performed together. And um, and I didn't even know that was your brother at the time. And I think y'all might have said it towards the end of the set, but at the beginning, y'all kind of did, y'all got into it. And I'm like, who is this guy? You know what I'm saying? So when he was like, y'all eventually had said something about being brothers, and I was just like, oh, it's two of them. It's two of them, that's just crazy.

SPEAKER_10 31:30

The guy is so good, man. Yeah, and I ain't I ain't trying to dig out this nigga. But the dude is just he's just really fucking good. Like, yeah, yeah. You know, uh a lot of people compare him and I. And um, I don't like it. Really? No, I don't like it at all. I don't like the comparison because for one, we're like way too different human beings. Okay, we're way too human uh different human beings. Um but how he puts words together, I'm I'm so I'm so admirable about it. You know what I mean? He's he's really, really good at it. Um, and we have two different styles, right? So when anybody compares, it's just like you're comparing oranges to oranges, it's just like this orange might be riper at this particular moment.

SPEAKER_08 32:27

Right, naval oranges versus the other. You feel me? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 32:30

You know what I mean? I I I just think he's just really good. Okay. I just hate, like we were just talking about earlier. Yeah, I hate the comparison thing. Gotcha. I don't like that shit. Yeah. Because everybody has a perspective. Okay. I would I like I I I I can never say that I'm better than you as an MC. That's crazy. Granted, I feel like I'm the best MC ever. However, if you said the same thing, I'm not gonna disagree with it.

SPEAKER_08 32:58

I see what you're saying. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 33:01

Because you have a perspective. Right. Your perspective and how you do some shit, I can't do what you do.

SPEAKER_08 33:06

Right.

SPEAKER_10 33:07

I can't do what you do. I can never do what you do.

SPEAKER_08 33:11

Right.

SPEAKER_10 33:12

You call at what you do as you are.

SPEAKER_08 33:16

Right.

SPEAKER_10 33:17

Now, do I believe you can do what I do? No, absolutely not. That doesn't mean that I'm better than you.

SPEAKER_08 33:23

I get what you say, yeah. That doesn't mean that you're better than me. True enough.

SPEAKER_10 33:28

I just hate that this comparative analysis is crazy. The thing is, we dope as fuck. We sitting here right now, me and you. Right. Yeah, bro. You know that you're cold as fuck, and you sitting here interviewing me and showing me love right now.

SPEAKER_08 33:41

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_10 33:42

You showing me love and highlighting my genius.

SPEAKER_08 33:45

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_10 33:46

I can't help but sit there and try to highlight yours even while this is not what your objective is.

SPEAKER_08 33:53

Right.

SPEAKER_10 33:53

Your objective isn't to highlight you.

SPEAKER_08 33:55

Exactly.

SPEAKER_10 33:56

Your objective is to highlight me right now, but I can't help it because I know that you you fucking genius.

SPEAKER_08 34:02

I appreciate that, man.

SPEAKER_10 34:03

Right? And that's what I don't like about people comparing me to my brother. Gotcha. Comparing me to Jake or comparing me to anybody that has this like particular degree of consciousness in their music.

SPEAKER_08 34:15

So let me ask you this, and I'm pretty sure I'm I I I can get a glimpse of what your answer is gonna be. But how have you felt about the need for there to be list within the city? Obviously, there's been tons of lists and asked the right question today, brother. And I've seen and I've seen that you I've seen, you know, your take on them uh partially on the internet, and I've seen tons of people who will argue that lists are are subjective. I will see that people argue that lists have a place because there is a certain because of hip hop being competitive, there's a sense of like there is a such thing as ranking when you talk about talent, when you talk about work ethic, when you talk about craftsmanship, and and people say that there is a tier that you can rank people and artists by to say this guy is better than these 50 because they don't do what he does, or or X, Y, Z. How has you felt on your own perspective about the way people have done lists over the years? Whether you've been on them, off them, whether you think they're fair, unfair, whether you think they have a true scope of the whole artist scene or not, what has been your viewpoint about people making lists? Is it necessary? Is it not necessary? Is is it something that we should even consider in the realm of hip hop when you talk about not saying who's better than who, but who is a top whatever?

SPEAKER_10 35:48

No. Okay, no, uh, I don't think it should be considered.

SPEAKER_08 35:51

And I'm ready for the rank, because I know you got one for me. I know you know you.

SPEAKER_10 35:55

I know you about to show. I I'm I'm gonna keep it as brief as possible. For sure. Number one, I don't think it should be considered. Okay, I don't think that's uh anything that matters, particularly on our level. Um two, anybody that has a problem with these lists, to me, are bitch ass niggas. That's my view on it. If a nigga has a problem with how a majority feels about where they are ranked, then you a bitch ass nigga because why why do you feel like you can be ranked? Okay. Okay. I I've never looked at those lists and said, oh man, I'm ranked at the bottom. Or I've always been on them, but I don't I don't want that.

SPEAKER_08 36:45

Have you now now I know how you feel about the list in general. Have you ever looked at a list and where you were ranked and felt the way about where you were ranked?

SPEAKER_10 36:57

Yes. Okay I have because I I'm not about to be fake. Okay, because I I the real nigga shit to say is hell. But yes, okay, I have. I've looked at it and and looked at the artists that were um ranked above me, and I'd be like, What? How? You know what? I want to put this shit on the floor. So let's do it. The thing is that that that makes me look at these lists a lot a lot crazier than a lot of people might is because how many of these guys actually get paid to perform?

SPEAKER_13 37:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_10 37:40

How many of these guys get booked outside of this city? So this is just me putting my shit on the floor real quick. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_12 37:53

Fatality.

SPEAKER_10 37:54

I get booked probably more than any Pontiac artist when it comes to making music and performing music. There's not a soul in this city that gets booked more than I do to actually perform their music. Talk. Nobody actually has a following to where people are gonna come out without you know your popularity base talking about you. Okay. Fatality. Talk. If my name is on the flyer to perform, particularly outside of the city, it packs out.

SPEAKER_12 38:40

Fatality talk.

SPEAKER_10 38:41

People actually come to see me perform. They pay money. They buy tickets to see me perform. Talk. Fatality. Nobody else in this city, all of these niggas, you know what I mean? I'm not sleeping on them. What I'm saying is like all this list shit doesn't matter if you're not making no fucking money.

SPEAKER_12 39:05

Fatality.

SPEAKER_10 39:07

This is not a uh, this is not uh a hustle for you. This is this is a popularity contest for you. To me, I don't have no popularity contest. When my name gets put on the flyer, I make money.

SPEAKER_04 39:22

That's why it's the goat! The goat!

SPEAKER_10 39:26

Make money. That is literally one of my incomes.

SPEAKER_12 39:31

Fatality.

SPEAKER_10 39:33

My income, I get paid over. I'm not gonna say what the price is, but I get paid over a hundred dollars for me to perform one song. Fatality. You feel me? And I know why you're doing that because you know what I'm talking about. Yes, sir. Because you you're there. But what I'm saying is all this list shit doesn't matter. I agree. It's about a whole bunch of niggas in Pontiac that's friends with a lot of niggas. Mm-hmm. But the niggas that they sitting there promoting, they ain't really making no moves. Okay.

unknown 40:12

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_10 40:13

He's talking. I could be on the back string and sitting there promote, promoting and supporting every other artist, but I'm the nigga that's making more money than all of these niggas when it comes to this particular craft.

SPEAKER_08 40:25

My boy is talking right now.

SPEAKER_10 40:27

Y'all not listening. Y'all not listening. Y'all not doing nothing with y'all craft. Y'all don't know how to perform. Y'all perform with y'all vocals behind y'all.

SPEAKER_08 40:38

Nah, listen, I'm guilty of that because my ADHD.

SPEAKER_10 40:41

But I'm talking about other niggas with. I feel it. I feel it. If you're sitting there performing and you can't have the breath control or understanding on how to perform without, you know, uh a background track holding you down through that, you're not a real performer. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Now, granted, you've done that, but I've I've seen you do it without that. So we're not about to talk about you. I'm talking about niggas that can't do it.

SPEAKER_13 41:08

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_10 41:09

Mm-hmm. They can't do it. I don't perform with no vocals behind me. I rap authentic. I'm an authentic nigga. All of my all of my shows are are paid. I don't step out for free. The over mics that you've seen me at, I've still got paid to be there. Top. That's a following. That's when you really popping when you actually making money instead of sitting there trying to get out here so you can make money. You need to actually say something that resonates with people.

SPEAKER_04 41:47

That's why it's the goat.

SPEAKER_10 41:48

These niggas are not saying anything that resonates with people to make them actually want to come see them.

SPEAKER_08 41:54

It's crazy. He's talking. I'm listening.

SPEAKER_10 41:58

So all I'm saying is all these lists don't matter to me because I actually, my career actually makes money for me. It provides for my child. These niggas provide what they do, it provides for their ego. Nah, we can talk. Hey, yo. Now mind you, my ego don't matter because I don't give a fuck about that. I support every motherfucking artist.

SPEAKER_08 42:27

Performing for your ego and performing for a check is two different things. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_10 42:32

Two different things. Fatality. That's crazy. And the niggas that I work with. Every nigga that I work with, these niggas get paid to perform. This is crazy. These niggas actually bring people out. 100%. These people actually can entertain a crowd without them knowing the song first.

unknown 42:53

Shh.

SPEAKER_10 42:56

That's what that shit is about for me. This is deep. I'm a hip hop nigga. Legitimately.

SPEAKER_08 43:02

100%.

SPEAKER_10 43:04

So all these other niggas that you got these niggas, you know, you got you got five rats and the Newmans coming to your motherfucking door.

SPEAKER_12 43:13

Fatality.

SPEAKER_10 43:14

Jesus. You know what I mean? You had stashes. You you are four shots of motherfucking Seagrams. And motherfuckers sitting there raising your hands. You know what I mean? That's a whole different thing. I can leave this city. Matter of fact, when I leave this city, when I leave Pontiac, I get way more of a following. I get every everybody shows up when I leave this city. This motherfucker don't miss. Come on. I've done shows in Cincinnati. I've done shows. What I'm trying to tell you is, bro, these lists don't matter to me because what I do outside of those lists, Improvise for my family. How many of them niggas on that list? Say that.

SPEAKER_08 44:05

Um, we are here, man, with my man. We gotta get it ready, man. This is the max hour, man. We're about to get ready and jump into this this man's project, man, and play some songs from this project. But you guys definitely need to go to YouTube where it is exclusively available, man, and listen to this entire project. I I took time today to sit down and go through it again. Um, one full time, and and and and listen, uh, there are projects that I enjoy, and then there are some that get the Homelander button. It was perfect.

SPEAKER_15 44:49

Perfect. Everything down to the last minute details.

SPEAKER_08 44:55

Listen, that project, man, uh uh super dope. Before we even get into music, man, talk to me about the motivation of this project. Um, because as an artist, the task to not only rap on so many Jay-Z beats, but then to give quality songs that either A make you forget that he did it, or B make you enjoy that you got on it, man. What was the motivation behind this project? What was it like working on it? What tell me everything from the difficulties of how which songs to choose from Jay? Why did you choose the ones you chose? How long was the process to do it? I I want this full detail scope, man, because this project is is such a a highlight of your career. I think it's it highlights just how talented you are lyrically from track to track to track to track, and I think you you showcased so much on this project. I I I honestly feel it's underrated. And there's no gas, no, no premium. This is, I think it's enjoyable, but I think what you did, like what you did and how you did it, I think is going to be underrated. I think people are gonna always tell you, hey bro, you killed it, you flowed on it. But I think the the the embodiment, bro, of taking someone like Holes, taking his music, and then coming behind it the way you did, Pause, I think, bro, it it definitely will, to me, I feel, will be lost on a lot of people because that they might not truly get, and this is maybe me as a Hole fan or me as uh a fan of hip hop, but I think that might get lost on what it took for you to take that many songs of his and then recreate not only your own but enjoyable songs as well that match, rival, at least sit in the same room as what he did with them or the people that he had featured on them. What was that like for you, man, this entire project, bro? Please, you know, give us your your your thesis on this whole project.

SPEAKER_10 47:09

Well, well, number one number one, I just wanted to make sure that um I made the understanding that I feel like I'm just as good as anyone else.

SPEAKER_08 47:30

We got that, but you know, I mean that's like the I feel like track number two is it definitely uh exuded that for sure. For sure. Because you went in on that one.

SPEAKER_10 47:41

But the real deal of it was that I was I was working a job. Okay. I was working a job, and you know, I'm risking my life for this job. You know, I clean windows and shit. Okay. So like I'm on like ladders, yeah, I'm on scaffolding and stuff like that. Scaffolding, high-rise buildings, gotcha, things like that. And I realized at a point, you know, regardless of what I've done in the past, I realized that I'm risking my life for$35 an hour. Right. And then it got to a point to where it's like I don't want to risk my life for something that I'm not passionate in. So I swear to goodness, bro, and I'm not, I am not gassing you on this. Right. I wrote every one of these songs, at least 11 of them. Okay, on a ladder. Really? On at least a 32-foot ladder. I would write them, uh I would I would climb a ladder, clean some windows, and sit up on there on that ladder, and it was just a thing to me, you know what I mean, to make you know me feel good. Right. And I would not come down until I wrote like 16 bars. Really? Swear to God, bro. This is like real shit.

SPEAKER_08 49:09

So you up however many feet in the air. Yeah. You didn't clean your windows, did your, and then you you sit there, you you stand there, you bro.

SPEAKER_10 49:19

I put this with my dead sisters, bro. And and I was literally in the air on a ladder, writing the songs. And it's not like I I I had to. Right. This was just uh a caveat to my personal self-esteem. Gotcha. It's like method acting. If I'm going to get on this ladder and clean these windows and risk my life to do it, I can sit on this ladder and do the same thing right in bars. I promise to do this. This is crazy. This is not like a joke. This is not like a thing to make it look like, you know, yeah. I literally wrote this mixtape on ladders.

SPEAKER_08 50:03

Now, how how many how many times of that did it take to complete those songs that you wrote? It was it like two times, you wrote this in two days, you wrote this on in five days on a ladder, how many?

SPEAKER_10 50:16

My nigga, bro, my brother. I don't want to be that guy, but I'm be I'm I'm I'm being honest as fuck. Each one of those tracks on there, it took me less than the time that the beat ended. I literally freestyle, bro. Like fatality. Sheesh. It took me about five to ten minutes to write every single one of those tracks. Because I I I type extremely fast. Okay. I'm a librarian. I don't know. If anybody knows this. If anybody knows me in Pontiac, you know that like at heart I'm a librarian. I worked at the Pontiac Library for 13 years. Um I'm technologically very savvy and I know how to type. Um when I was on those ladders, maybe I'm exaggerating. Maybe it might it might have took me 10 to 15 minutes, each verse. Still. Still. 20 minutes time. And I would come off the ladder, you know, when I got done cleaning the windows, and, you know, like finish it. Right. That's literally, I swear to goodness, that's how this entire mixtape was made. Because I felt like I was um giving too much time to this white company that I was working for. Right, right. And it made me say, you know what, fuck them. I'm gonna I'm gonna write on their dollar and I'm gonna make a mixtape. That's how that happened.

SPEAKER_08 52:01

Now I know you had talked about um doing these dedication homage tapes, um, and and you talked about this a while ago before we even got this this version of it now. Um why hove first? And was Hove the original first person always, or did you want to go with somebody else first and then you settled on Hove?

SPEAKER_10 52:31

Um Hove was definitely the first choice.

SPEAKER_13 52:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_10 52:36

Being that there was a particular thing about Jay-Z that it inspired me. Gotcha. Um, and it inspired me, like, I always I I didn't always listen to rap. Okay. Like I say, like I was a nerd as a kid, like literally a nerd. Like my kid, my parents. My parents like was trying to breed me to be a doctor, still a nerd, and shit like that. And my whole goal was to be a lawyer. Okay. And I got in a lot of trouble, or whatever. And um, I'm not gonna like shit on my parents right now, but I will say that listening to Jay-Z um when I was in this trouble, it was something that resonated to where it made me feel like I could be something regardless of the fact that I was in trouble at that time.

SPEAKER_08 53:33

Gotcha, okay.

SPEAKER_10 53:35

Uh, I listened to Reasonable Doubt. Uh my oldest brother, this manual. He's not my oldest brother, but for real, he was the most present. Um he made me listen to Reasonable Doubt, and then he listened he made me listen to the to the blueprint and the black album. And when I listened to that, just before I ever listened to Nas, who's my favorite rapper of all time. Gotcha. Um it made me not ashamed of the hustle. Okay. Gotcha. So Jay-Z was my first inspiration in regards to being uh a black man. Okay. Okay. Interesting. Seriously. And watching his success, you know, it gave me confidence to not feel bad about what I was doing at that time. Gotcha. And that's why I made him the first, the first one. The first one that I did the series on. I got a whole I I didn't roll the whole Nas tape already.

SPEAKER_08 54:46

I was just about to ask you, is we like, are we getting we getting the Nas? We getting uh a Wayne, are we getting the T I? We getting the 50. I don't know who what other artists are.

SPEAKER_10 54:54

Nas and Wayne tape already. It's just funny that you just mentioned. But I don't have a TI one. Uh I want I'm on a T L one, but the next one is Drake that I started on.

SPEAKER_08 55:07

So you wait, wait, wait, wait. So we got Hove and you have Wayne, Wayne Nas in the Chamber, a Drake in the Chamber that you're working on.

unknown 55:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 55:18

And like how well, how many people do you plan on doing? Is it you have a number in your mind?

SPEAKER_10 55:25

There is no number. I'm gonna do this for the rest of my life. Um, the reason why I say that is because I've gotten to the point into my music career to where I want to make sure that I'm having fun. I'm not doing this for anybody else but me anymore.

SPEAKER_08 55:42

Mmm, okay. You talking now. This is a whole nother conversation right here. You talking.

SPEAKER_10 55:48

I'm doing this because I love hip hop. Yeah. Um, I'm a student of the game. I don't think anybody can out hip hop me at this point. Okay, okay. So real shit. I've listened to everybody. You know what I mean? I mean, I'm talking to the fat, but to all the way, uh G rap, like it all the way to historian. Gotcha. I I'm literally I the fooshnick. Everybody. Okay, okay, okay. You know what I mean? I've listened to every single hip-hop album, uh, commercial hip-hop album that I possibly can. Okay. I love it so much that I want to give them um, even if they never hear it. Right. I want to give them their love. Yeah. I mean, because I love hip-hop. I am the hip-hop head. I am the hip-hop head of Pontiac. Okay, okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_08 56:45

I love hip-hop, bro. You need your own save my life. Hip hop store, just records and albums.

SPEAKER_10 56:51

Sword of goodness, bro.

SPEAKER_08 56:52

Need to just have a record store.

SPEAKER_10 56:54

I'm that boom back at boom bap ass nigga. Yeah. I'm that old nigga that everybody looks at. I I I I love it out of it. Okay. I accept it, you know. So um Jay was my first one. Okay. You know what I mean? Because he inspired me personally. Yeah. And I got uh Nas next, and I got Wayne next. Kanye is one of my next ones. Drake. I don't care what you say about Drake. Drake is one of the hardest spitters that ever raced the face of this earth. Sheesh. And um, that's just what I want to do. I just want to I want to rap for myself. No, that's real. And make sure that the shit that I'm spitting, it resonates with the people that I love.

SPEAKER_08 57:39

For sure. I I think that's very, very important because um, you know, when we we've done this, you know, as artists on professional levels and everything for so long. And it can easily feel empty less in a sense where you kind of just feel like what am I doing this for? You know, and you're like, okay, I'm gonna make the next ladies hit, or I'm gonna make the next club hit, or I'm gonna make the next whatever. And you're going through the motion, you're going through the motion, and like you say, it their periods, I was like, this isn't, I'm not enjoying it no more. I feel like I'm trying to meet quotas as an artist, or I'm trying to please crowds or demographics of crowds. Let me write a song for these people if I gotta go over here. Let me write a song for these people, and you start to lose track of like, man, I just want to make good music. You know what I'm saying? That feeds my soul personally first, and then whoever else listens after. And so um, for you to get to a place where you like, hey man, I'm about to do stuff that I'm just gonna have fun.

SPEAKER_10 58:50

And listen, gang, the thing is, what I realize is once I got to the point to where it's like I'm making music for me, yeah, people resonate to it a lot more for sure. Like, if I'm making music, you know, and if I'm rapping not to please anybody, right, and I'm I'm rapping literally straight from my soul. I started doing that in like 2021, and um all of my shit resonated with people. That's what I'm gonna do from now on. I don't give a fuck about like I don't like the industry, I don't like Hollywood. Them niggas gay and all this other shit. You know, I don't got no problem with gay niggas, but I don't fuck with it. It's weird. You know what I'm saying? It's weird as hell. Niggas is fucking each other and all the other shit. I don't want to do none of that. But what I want to do. But what I want to do is be able to make a living for my children off something that I'm passionate about.

SPEAKER_08 59:53

And and and I wanna I wanna segue there. You you are a um uh a father, you have an amazing daughter that uh I've seen you it's her birthday tonight.

SPEAKER_10 1:00:06

My baby, Malia Jasmine Stewart. It's my pumpkin and I love you, and she knows it, you know what I mean. Yeah, I I am the you know how people got daddy uh daddy's girls, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:23

I'm a girl's daddy, yeah, I'm about to say opposite. We both have girls, you know what I'm saying? And and what has that been like for you, man? Uh I know for me, my daughter completely three, like just 180, 360, high, whatever was spin me around, type of just changed everything for me. And and I've I've I've always wanted girls, always wanted girls growing up. I always said I wanted, you know, Kobe Bryant had three daughters, I wanted three daughters like Kobe Bryant. You know what I'm saying? And my first daughter was born, and I named her Kobe. And um that's dope as hell, bro. My first daughter's name was Kobe. Uh I wanted to call her Kobe Brianna. I mean Kobe Bryant, you know what I'm saying? My wife was like, nah. You know what I'm saying? But she let me get to Kobe, and then you know, I had to change Bryant to Brianna, but you know, in my heart, I know that Brianna means Bryant. You know what I'm saying? You know what time it is. You know what I'm saying? But um, being a dad girl, man, I mean, it's amazing. And and and I seen you first, you know what I'm saying, before I had my daughter with your with your daughter, man. What has that been like being a girl's dad for you? How has that impacted your life as a man? Um, having a daughter, and how you even and let's just be frank, we we come from um a background or or an environment where men were we got taught certain things about women and how we viewed them and and and how we seen them and even how we may have treated them or how we even uh interacted with them. Now you have a daughter that changes everything. I'm sure in your perspective and your mindset of how you're raising her to be, how you want her to be seen. What has that been like for you? How has it even been musically about the things you do speak about in your music that you know that one day when you're you're long gone, she's gonna tap into this music and listen to it as a full woman with a full mind to say, like, what was my dad trying to say or leaving these songs for me to get? What has that been like for you, man, being a girl to have those experiences and stuff?

SPEAKER_10 1:02:25

Number one, that was an amazing question. You know what I mean? I liked how you put it. Um the answer to that is number one, having a baby. Um my daughter. No corniness involved. I I held my daughter in my arm. And my entire life changed. My entire life changed. I got out of treats. Um, I'm not saying I was like, you know, the biggest street thing at all, but you know, niggas that know me that's listening, they they know they know what time it was. You know what I mean? Um I got out of everything because my daughter is everything. And uh I cannot picture myself being a man if I don't be a man to her. So my entire attitude changed. Um everything about my entire demeanor, every m everything about my entire existence changed once my punkamonka understood that she loved her dad. Right, you know what I mean. My daughter, right now, she's 12. She don't look at me as I'm your punkamonka no more.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:50

Right, right.

SPEAKER_10 1:03:51

You know, she looks at me like I'm I'm a cool dad. I'm I'm I am that cool dad. Right, right, right, for sure. For sure, for sure. I'm definitely that. But, you know, she also still looks at me like, you know, guidance. Right. And um don't embarrass her. Right. For real. They're big on that. Don't embarrass her for sure. For real. And that means everything to me. I mean, it and it shows some humility to where it's like I don't care about much in my life anymore, other than making sure that she understands that I care more about her than me. And as long as my daughter, as long as Malia Jasmine Stewart understands that there's nothing that I care about more than her, then I feel like a man. You know what I mean? And that's why that's where all the street shit leads. To where it's like Y'all can have that. Right. My daughter, my daughter, I see look at me like this. She talks to me. She doesn't she doesn't feel um intimidated. She doesn't feel um like she can't talk to me. Right. She kicks it with me. She talks to me like one of her friends. She opens up to me. Nothing. Literally, there's nothing that any man, woman, soul on this earth can do that can make me feel more appreciative and grateful that my daughter loves me, then there's nothing anybody can do. My daughter is motherfucking light. So I rap. So when she hears that, she notices the real nigga. Any woman that she sees in her life gonna always see me protecting protecting women. Yeah, because that's what a man is supposed to do. For sure. And that will save my life is having my daughter. My daughter saved my life. That's real. That's real. He taught me how to be a real man.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:27

One time for one time for baby girl. That's dope, bro. That's dope. I think, you know, and I and I've told you before in person, like I've seen y'all together and I've told you, like, man, you're doing a great job. You know what I'm saying? I I think, you know, fathers don't get the um luxury of being um cheered for for being fathers. And, you know, I I I take every time I I see a man with his child, whether boy or girl, to just be you're doing a great job. You know what I'm saying? My dad wasn't in my life. You know what I'm saying? So you know, my choice, my everyday active choice to be in my daughter's life is something I celebrate because I recognize that there somebody chose not to do it for me. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, I see everything that you do with your daughter, man, and and and again, bro, kudos to everything that you do, what you represent for her, what you do, you know, for her, and and what you mean to her, our daughters. You know what I'm saying? Have my my daughter just completely, like I say, flipped my and title. My daughter is uh she just turned seven. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:08:43

Oh boy, you you she's still young.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:46

She's still a baby.

SPEAKER_10 1:08:47

Nigga, you know, you uh you more of a baby than her, bro.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:51

I'm telling you. Yeah, I'm softy. I'm the big softy. She the rock star ready to grow up, you know what I'm saying? And it's interesting because, you know, even just seeing my daughter learn music that I've done, you know what I'm saying? And seeing even a gift in her sometimes. I'm just like, wow. You know, it's amazing, you know? And I think that um you know, I started doing these projects for her before she was born. Uh the first one I did, she was she was a baby. She may have been a couple a year or two old. Um, it's called the Beautiful Unknown Journey. And um they were the I've done two of them so far. I did one when I think she was like two. I think I did another one, she was like four or five. Um and they're just these, because uh as artists, we do music for so much stuff, and I always wanted to just do something just for her. Like that, those tapes are just for her. Every song on there is either about her or it's a message to her or something, you know what I'm saying? So um that was my thing. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? That was my whole song. Man, you feel me? So that was just something that it was like, yeah, she's gonna hear all my other songs, but like I want her to know, like, I took time to make projects dedicated to her to talk about the experience it is being her dad and what she's doing at those ages, and then to just leave her personal message, just like this song is about like there's a song I have called um Don't Grow Up. You know what I'm saying? And I'm just telling her like how I didn't understand what it meant when people used to tell me don't rush to grow up and how I took it for granted, and how now I see her being this growing thing in front of me, and how I'm longing for her not to grow up so that she does not have to experience all the things in life that I've experienced heartbreak, letdown, disappointment, betrayal, firings, and I'm like, don't grow up because it sounds great, it looks great. I thought it was gonna be great when I grew up, and I'm realizing how much I miss being you, and I just want you to stay you for as long as you can because once you grow up, the things that I see you enjoying now may turn into things that hurt you later. So there's just these projects, the beautiful unknown journey, one and two that I put out, man, that you know were for her, but I had never in my life thought about projects like that until she came into the world and I was like, What am I doing with my voice and my gift? On some real shit, bro.

SPEAKER_10 1:11:28

How do you feel knowing that you put these masterpieces out in your child that she's not really gonna resonate you know with until she gets a little bit older? Like, how does that make you feel as a father?

SPEAKER_08 1:11:42

Um, it is it it's it's comforting because um I've told my my wife this that I enjoy or I'm grateful that we as artists we have the ability to leave our voice on wax for my for our children. You know, my mom, she's not an artist, you know, and one day my mom is gonna pass and I'm gonna have pictures, but I'm going to forget her voice one day. I'm gonna forget the the sound of my mother's voice. I wanna forget the sound of my grandmother's voice, I'm gonna forget the sound of my uncle's voice. There are people who who are gonna pass who aren't artists, so they don't have no no way of leaving me something to always remind them, not just of who they were, but like what they went through when they were living. And you know, a lot of songs that I write are about my life so that when I'm gone and and she's getting older, she recognized that man, what I'm going through now, my dad talked about in the song. Or what I went through, what I'm facing, whether it's heartbreak, whether it's it's friendship, whether it's love, whether it's struggle, whether it's it's grinding. She's gonna be like, My dad left all these songs when he talked about these things. Um his life, where I she can say, like, and that's why a lot of times in my songs, I name, I say how old I am. You know, like that one-shot song that I played off the Kendrick beat, and I was like, nah, I'm 36 and my life still looks the same. She can look and say, This is what my dad thought about himself at 36. This is what he thought about when he was 27, this is what he thought about when he was 40. She's gonna have these these gaps of being able to know where I was at in life at a certain age, but the ones that I did strictly for her, um, I think it's comforting knowing that I have the ability, unlike my mom, my dad, my my grandparents, to leave messages for her that no matter at what point she is in her life, she can always turn me on. Hear my voice, audio journaling, audio journaling, hear my voice, hear my gift, and hear me say, not just to the masses of people I wrote songs to, but strictly to her and say, Hey, don't grow up. Hey. You know, there's a song I did about our my lineage, about how like my dad met my mom, and then how they had me, and then how I grew up and how I met her mom and how we had her. And I tell you it's called History Lesson, and it's a whole song basically going back to how my mom and it goes all the way up to like us having her. And it's songs like that where I don't have to you don't have to ever wonder like what was the story of like me and you and mom or what was the story of my grandparents, because I'm telling you right here. I'm telling you the story, you know what I'm saying? So it's things like that that give me uh comfort to know that I don't I'm not gonna necessarily be forgotten or the struggle it takes when we lose people. You know, my homeboy, I lost one of my homeboys, man. My homeboy um Tay, I lost him a couple years ago. And um you know, it it's weird because it's like I can see his face, but I can't sometimes hear his voice, or I can't remember like our interactions. I can just remember moments we had, but I can't remember hearing him laugh and hear and it's like the joy I get to know that when she she's grieving that I'm gone, that there's a voice of mine that she can still tap into. There's something she can go back to to be like, I just want to hear Dad's voice one more time. You know, I just want to, you know, and and she gets to hear me in my prime, she gets to hear me in my lady years, all those things. So, yeah, man, that that that is the the joy, man, of it. Um you know, but with all that being said, man, let's get into to your music, man. Because I again I listened to it today. I enjoy, bro. It was perfect.

SPEAKER_10 1:15:42

Perfect. Okay. First of all, first of all, first of all, we're not about to breeze past that, bro. Okay, for sure. On some real shit, bro, that was some real shit. And you know what you're talking about. I'm 100% certain that that's that's gonna resonate to someone. Yeah. That's gonna resonate to someone, man, and I appreciate you being uh vulnerable enough to actually talk about that. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:10

On some real shit.

SPEAKER_10 1:16:11

I I think that's music, bro. On some real shit, true enough, true enough. Right now, bro, you know where we are right now? We two black men talking and bonding. Yes, sir. All that homo all that bull all that bullshit, nigga, that's out the window now. For sure, for sure, for sure. Bro, this I mean. We two good friends, two good brothers, two colleagues. Yes, sir. And we are two black. It's a special moment, yes sir. Very special moment, bro. We two black men. Yeah. Able to talk to each other and kick it. About our children. Without uh uh about our children and without 'em.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:16:46

Yeah. And without anybody else having anything to say about that, bro. And I I I I I value that. For sure, man. I appreciate you. Real talk. Real shit, bro. Um, I appreciate you having the vulnerability enough to and trust with me to kick you with me about that, bro. And we need to kick you more often, bro. On some real shit.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:11

Listen, I I cheer that, brother. Listen, I always enjoy doing things like this, man, like interviews like this, because yeah, it's it's cool and it's content, man. But I think through conversations like these, um I get to know the person who I thought I knew um even better. I think you get to know me a lot more better, and that only feeds into more healthy, established relationships, man. So I definitely appreciate you. Again, like I say, you I say, hey, can I come out to you? Because it was worth it to me to have this conversation.

SPEAKER_10 1:17:46

And I appreciate that, bro. Because I couldn't make it out to you that night this night, yeah. And you said, fuck that, I'm coming.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:53

For sure. 100%.

SPEAKER_10 1:17:54

100%. But but you showed up, bro, and you showed out. I appreciate you 100%, man. This is a very great conversation. Yeah. A very great uh interaction and everything you else got. I'm I'm I'm down for the rest of the shit, man. Thank you. You know it, bro. You know it, man. Hey, if y'all ain't know, man, we've been sitting here having some drinks together.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:21

We have, we have, we have, we have. We were uh Tito's Tito's on deck.

SPEAKER_10 1:18:26

Y'all know. Tito's on deck. This is this. It's six times the steel, gluten-free, handcrafted, made in Austin, Texas.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:37

The rundown promotion was crazy. Real talk, real talk. Well, man, bro, I I I want to to get into this, man, because bro, I've been listening to this all day. I just dropped you just dropped, man. Let's get into it. We're gonna play some some some of these tracks, man. I hope you guys understand how dope this music is, and that you guys are about to get a real treat um uh of Max the Realist. Let's jump off. Let's waste no time. Ladies and gentlemen, Max Realist, his project Hove. Uh uh, let people know where they can find it, man. It's on YouTube.

SPEAKER_10 1:19:18

Right now, it's just on YouTube. I'm about to put it on Bandcamp, I'm about to get it on uh all streaming uh platforms, but right now it's just on YouTube. The Hove tape, I need y'all to subscribe, yeah. Like, yeah, and I need y'all to share.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:30

Yes, all of that.

SPEAKER_10 1:19:33

But believe me, when y'all subscribe and everything, I'm about to give y'all a lot more content. Just me as a person. Right. That's why I need y'all there. I'm about to show y'all some shit, but make sure y'all subscribe to that, like it, share it, and listen to it, man, because it's some shit that y'all really need to hear. Big facts, big facts. Let's get into it. Let's go. I'm feeling amazing as I am, my nigga. Self-gratification is key, nigga. Look in the mirror and look at your stuff and look at your gifts. And if you don't see the gifts, nigga, you fucking up. Everybody got the life. Congratulations, will nigga shin up the kitchen. You'll move on the sums on the sweet. I'm not one of the shit in the colour. I'm funny. The woman's not a fine window. I'm coming up and fucking you got a minute. I am a man who's got a minute. I'm the one in the following. I'm a command. That's what I'm doing no doubt with niggas if I had to do it. Rapin, I'm not in the back of it. I'm making money with rappin', so I got the music. I'm a nigga. We making classes do it. I'm in the rappin' in there like that's abusive. Rilla's nigga rappin' from Michigan and I gotta act to prove it. Niggas get the crazy morphins, I wanna get the actin' stupid. No, you got a whole life to live and you gotta do it. You wanna see your kids ripping your niggas? You a bad affluent. You don't fucking still wanna cook this longer than that. Niggas raised wrong in this obvious boy, your dad is doofus. I'm a whole beats in this bitch, nigga. I had to do it. Nigga, I had to do it. Fuck it, nigga, I had to do it. And that's when the bee breakdown, but if I got a feature, somebody else gonna come on this bitch, and they gonna go, and they gonna go, and they gonna be like, and I was still gonna be like this, I'm all these ideas, and I'm still making moms, but I now make it come to my head.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:08

I was still with me.

SPEAKER_10 1:27:32

Is this not why you hear? It is what I hear. Studio bitches medicine. All my niggas cheeks don't hang around the irrelevant. Every time I drop a spell breaking like an elephant. Real niggas feel you listening at the resident. Both on the last and I'm trying to use it. All I see is God in the mirror, I feel the reverence. Bitch told it's true, like you thought it for the precedent. Rind that ball right there, that bitch is excellent. Legend on the battlefield. Never took a serious to go to the nervous. Fuck your bitch, nigga. My chest and gap, my shoulders back, my head be hot. I'm full of myself with deadly vibes. I'm not I like 75, so what's the deal? If I don't bring the real estate chest, it's not real. This is looking for 10 dollars, but I can't feel. I ain't even got a meal. How the fuck I'm gonna feel. I used to say you wanna black, but you still can't build. If you can deal simple steps, that start you got drill. Check that tip, step and fest and off some shit that's real. Get over time and put that shit in the wheel.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:52

Come on, dog, to the top, stay in the dot, check on the dust, the step is the dots in the fire dust, fight to the crap. But if you work, diggest the field on that shit that you do. Stop the bottom, fake it, stop my hot. You make the food in the lead. Put that nothing else. I ain't perfect.

SPEAKER_10 1:29:12

Never do the whole, go to work, no doubt. I'd rather live now. Do the work, build a legacy, generation of wealth, competitive screen with the rest of me. Life is work, but work ain't life. That's our life work. A couple of dollars in the whip. That's the life work. You a tough life. That might hurt, cause that's where it's difficult here.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:30

What the right first steal lands, still people from a land of building. Confiscation management, and now you in the field. I wonder who you love for that breaking just break. The kid come out brown, cause the master letter from late.

SPEAKER_10 1:29:42

Like the night, we do a fucking thing. But start to die, it's the fight. You ain't no fucking thing. But the anger on me, become the king of the field and beat your brothers with age. Just the man's little back. Then it's set your contestants. Ignorin' the real enemy and set your distance. Get your old people. Do it to this day. Get some miles of feet. Actin' like the star of the show with never need to. They even wanna be used. You don't see it to break. They put it loop with drink, looking with needles. They glorify drugs. Set your life black with it. Make the least fucking boots. Now fair tiles. Stay in the top of the room. Niggas running the cool. They kill each other, not the wreck. Come on, stop you. Let's just stop with your thoughts. What you talk to your game. Niggas wanna throw. Stop the ready in the heartbeat. Tella heart, leave a heart sweep. That's the real fit. Need to hit the kill switch. This shit is miserable. Everything is giving to you, killing you. Self-hatred in them interviews. Stop selling finish jewels. Get the black dollar for you, finish you. Both niggas ridicule, self-respect minuscule. Can't be a rapper and a woman that you win a new. Nothing happy in the news. Black is synonymous with gang shit and criminals. Here and we still persevere, nigga. Win or lose. Nigga, we got in the flesh. Fuck religion, it's division at best. Baby, we livin' and blessed. We be so scared to death, we forget about life. Look in the mirror and you'll see you the light. And that's right. Ha ha.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:23

All ho beat type shit, nigga.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:34

And that and that's right.

SPEAKER_10 1:31:37

I ain't said that in a minute. There's a bag, and I'm in that bitch. Uh I want my hope for the drums. Wealthy when I'm supposed to become. I'm from a hood when I'm supposed to be dumb. The teachers ain't paid enough, and the fun in the small, but got middle to take the money, yeah. There's guns and all. I used to walk through PAE with a scun in my draws. Having the weed was a trip, always fucking a broad. And my homies was real, nigga. They in love with a star. Like the freaky romantic nigga, I was covering them off. A lot of shit changed, but the hustle of made Life's on a couple lessons. Now fuck with my name. The realest nigga in the booth.

unknown 1:32:17

I hope you fuck with the game.

SPEAKER_10 1:32:18

I go to court and start shit while I'm stuck in my chain. I can give you something to read, that'll change your life. I got some tools, real truths when they ain't on right. Wanna kick you with the I is give them some game. Tell them niggas to learn a trade. Taste some pussy is lame. Couldn't tell me that back then they probably the same. And ain't nobody tell me that, but I got no one to blame. Wanna grab and raise me and I finally became the man I am with size of stuff that I desperately claim.

unknown 1:32:42

Identity crisis happy on some other shit. Steal my niggas what caring for me on some real motherfuckers. Shit, forever be my brothers in my home and stay home.

SPEAKER_10 1:32:50

I'd kill you for my brother's shit. My cupboard was blown, I try to spread positivity. That's what's important. I'd rather leave you to some love instead of being the war. Need freedom and happiness. I ain't need no Jordans. Can't see my shoes when I feed in the foreign. Get off my dick, keep it cool. Cause I need money for more. That ain't the budget. What's my dreams so close? I can touch it, so change the subject. When you see me if it ain't about nothing that we can build with, the only thing I'm on now is real shit. Nigga, get a shit. I'ma get on y'all real quick. Take it to the bank like a package from uncle feel free. A fuck building hitters, I'm tryna build something bigger. Start building up some men, stop building these niggas.

unknown 1:33:24

Teach some guns, take the early and some conflict resolution. Start a revolution, start with less pollution. Best solution is destroy and rebuild. Cause we lost the salt.

SPEAKER_10 1:33:32

But we gon' do the reparations that splurge them frauds. Gotta learn economics, gotta build up a bank. We busy building up a bitch, need to build us some tank. Cause all that reproduces shit new. We ain't got no power. It's all bullshit. And we ain't controlling our own dialogue. Want respect from the women. What's that respect? With a white man, foot on your neck, taking your check. But you wanna check it, nigga. My boxes he didn't check it. You ain't got a box to sleep on. Our culture is wrecked. Niggas be so backwards, priorities fuck. We let Louis Vuitton and Gucci take minority bugs. We tryna be the head of shit when we morally suck and our demise as a people was majority us. We at war with each other, so that war'll be tough. If we decide to uprise, then we thoroughly flush, my nigga. Come on. Man, when I heard this shit, man, I was enamored, man. That that beef was over with that shit.

SPEAKER_17 1:34:40

I'm a lucky man, gotta get me a lucky hand. My kids got silver spones, they school in Birmingham. The money different, cause I still do the heavy lifting. Heavyweight class like Lennox Lewis and Sonny Listen. Sharks in the water fit politicians, so I keep my distance and move around with the best intentions.

unknown 1:34:57

I got a pure touch, I secure trust.

SPEAKER_17 1:35:00

I make the cause, it's important and import luck. Ooh, la la la It's the way that I talk, the way that I sing when I'm doing my thing. My success sounds like freedom ring. When I met Max, his arm was in a sling. When I met Max, it was all a dream. Now we on the same thing, like X and King. And we on an ultra like King. Only thing different is the ending scene. How I be the old guard in the new. How I be the formula in the flu. Follow my own beat like two left feet.

unknown 1:35:32

Got two baddies on live, like two live crew. In the dark and still I grew.

SPEAKER_17 1:35:38

Man of the gear like schoolboy Q.

unknown 1:35:40

Yes, this imaginary success, like who lie to you. My mindset likes expansion. My lines incite the passion.

SPEAKER_17 1:35:51

I write for those who wish to fight back. Young man rumble, I'm about to dash.

unknown 1:35:57

Let's go. Big CNY shit. The elevation is inevitable.

SPEAKER_10 1:36:04

I'm glad to see it coming. Okay, intolerable when you see this, you a lesser man.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:10

Our soul different, we vibe different. Besides living with you, niggas really bring to the world. All of that stress, you bring in your girl and shame, you bring in your pride. Look in the mirror, how you look in your eyes. This up and trail is amazing. How do you treat the guys? All of them cealings you provide. How do you see the skies? All that picture progression, nigga, you need to cry. Pick up the book and lighten your mind. The world is bigger than validation. From broke niggas barely trying. Sittin on section eight boards, thinking it's fine. Absorbin's all of this crime and poverty, living off of their mom. Ain't get out one and break. You niggas beefin' with nothing at stake. Just risking it all to prove to a bum you ain't fake. Knew all them kids is below grade level when they up late.

unknown 1:36:48

Playing games while you put your last grabs on the spake. You boys pathetic, affected by the system and damage. You not broken, but you broke and barely can manage. My canvas is always working, I'm living for chance. That's why I'm worthy of the accolades and compliments. Put it my real nigga and accomplishments.

SPEAKER_10 1:37:06

The entitlement niggas got is astonishing. Failure is the admonishment.

unknown 1:37:10

That's all you get for acknowledgement. Only God can judge is some bullshit. I don't think that at all. Cause what if you judge positive and what is the law?

SPEAKER_10 1:37:18

What if a nigga rob you give a chill till it's all over for God to judge or go in their charge? Shit. I judge people, hold grudges and nudge people. Get on their shit. Stop all that beef, and I love people. Still battle addiction with liquor and still judgeable.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:32

That's insurance for my words, no deductible.

SPEAKER_10 1:37:37

Same. See and why. I do need a hook for this shit, but it won't be one. Gotta acknowledge growth family. Even if you not where you wanna be, but still made moves. Think how I got there. Five years ago was 28. Thought shit was not fair. Drinking fuckin' strags on night. I worked for Thoughtshare. Only sobered up to be dad. But when she left, I needed some TLC from a bottle for me to get by. Couldn't believe I let my life go in the dumps like that. Was doing bumps at 3 a.m. in the night. I thank God that I gotta come with these pistols that I bumped. Too many nights. I got them down on myself, and then I thought life will be good without me. I'm helpless when I'm out of house. See, I move back with my folks and my confidence. Level I'll see. No comfort when I'm in a license so far. I'm feeling vibrant, fun gum, and feeling the hyper and the hope that I might get better soon as I stop this. Blamin' people and drop this. Victim shoulder, I'm throwing and leave my spiritual hospice. They cure me of my sex addiction. Started feeling less affliction, my chin lift up my shoulders back. Started being less defensive. Hit the gym, I'm feelin' right. I feel like hit him back in the light. Picked up the mic, back up at Bubby Spot and started taking flight. I dropped again, got hot again. I rapped a lot, put out the pen. I put it down, I picked it up, I feel for grace. I dropped the win, I got back up, like here we go. Got locked again a couple times, but nothing broke. I'm silent steel. I'm a superman meets bust around. You thought me less. I ain't got no fuckin' time to shuckin' job. Get out the act, I hated that. It's like I left my fucking pie. I hate a slice, I came right back. To stop living a fucking lie. Can't escape yourself. You fixed it first. My loving was the side. Fell in love, fell in love with me, and then I fell for her. Something clicked, I wasn't sick. The past felt like a hellish blur. Drop the LLC, she dropped the truck, and then I dealt to work. Found a purpose, I'm sliding the booth. Like I expelled the curse. Here I am, the healthy. Be on the stairs to reach the wealthy. I was down, some people felt me, but no human soul can help me. Now I'm rich, and I ain't talking about the money. Yeah, I'm lit. I got the itch, I got the vision, got a guy that's not a bitch. Learn myself, and then I learn the very single thing I'm missing. I was lacking who I was, and that's a hustler on a mission. That's a man with a heart that's made of gold. I'm not a Christian, but I live like a mix of Jesus Christ and Eddie Griffin. I was gonna start him with Malcolm, then I found him. Now I can't have no fuck shit around him. Now look how my shit is sounding. Hardest poundin', got my passion back by mixing it with who I am. My passion is the rappin' and the hustle. Nigga, I'll be damned. Took me all this time, but better late than never, bitch. Nah, I don't need no hook for this shit. I'm about to freeze. Nah, I'm just playing, I ain't about to do that. But that was that. Hope you enjoyed my plight.

unknown 1:40:33

Hope you enjoyed my plight.

SPEAKER_09 1:40:35

And that's right.

SPEAKER_08 1:40:39

Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:45

Let's go, dog.

SPEAKER_08 1:40:47

Listen, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:48

That's why it's the GOAT. The GOAT!

SPEAKER_15 1:40:52

Hey, hey. Everything. Down to the Renegade?

SPEAKER_08 1:40:56

We're gonna close out with Renegade.

SPEAKER_15 1:40:57

Close out with Renegade, man.

SPEAKER_08 1:40:58

We're gonna close our renegade. We're gonna close our renegade. That is another fire one. Um, Max Man, listen. We appreciate you, bro. You have been a phenomenal guest, man. You you you've been there's not too many people I can conversate with to the point where it's like I'm I'm literally sitting here like y'all just got a two and a half hour prize because we done talked about everything under the sun.

SPEAKER_10 1:41:28

Like everything.

SPEAKER_08 1:41:30

I I I appreciate you, man. Um How can people find you, man? How can they follow you? How can they they look you up and and become an a fan?

SPEAKER_10 1:41:39

Um on everything is M-A-C-S-D-A-G-R-E-A-L-E-S-C, that's all Facebook. Everything we got the same thing.

SPEAKER_08 1:42:17

That was the nice place. Do you got any any shows coming up in the people looking at it? I do.

SPEAKER_10 1:42:32

I need y'all to understand that I'm uh we're calling. Oh mignon. We are the uh greatest hip hop group to ever come out of Detroit. We got something coming up at uh Ms. Evans and on uh on April twenty-fifth. I need y'all to come there, you know what I mean? Uh my brother Blackmith and Play Hather Aqua. Uh Black Smith and Myth, you know, make Path of Aqua April 3rd. On uh on that Friday. I need y'all to come there. You would have my brother, Mother is April 3rd. Okay, okay. We will go there, we want we go to the world.

SPEAKER_08 1:44:01

We were there. We were there. We were there. We do not we don't know together. We in the building together. You know you, you go see me. It happens all the time. The interactions with us happen all the time. I see you. We never and then you always be like, Hey, I love the friends.

SPEAKER_10 1:44:24

And I'd be like, That's how it used to be, but now it's more so like nigga, I love your music.

SPEAKER_08 1:44:30

Yes, sir, yes sir. Yes sir.

SPEAKER_10 1:44:32

We do this every time, every time, every time, and I and I fuck with it, bro. Yes sir. I I really genuinely appreciate you, bro.

SPEAKER_08 1:44:40

No, no, I appreciate you, man. I I I mean being bro. You are a likewise. I I definitely you know, life man, when you think about how many millions of people on this planet, you know what I'm saying? There's so many people that we can never know that existed. There's so many people that will live and and die and and I will never know and even walk to this planet, you know what I'm saying? So I think for I don't think for granted every individual that I can get to meet on this amazing planet, there's so many people, so many stories, so many life stories, people that I never know. There's somebody in Hong Kong whose face and name I will never know, and they're living their life to the best of their ability, and I get to meet you, of all these people on this planet, in this lifetime that I get. It's like, bro, I'm honored. So my man, I appreciate you, bro. For sure. I appreciate you and I appreciate you being on there.

SPEAKER_10 1:45:36

He also won't take another shot with me because he gotta drive back.

SPEAKER_08 1:45:41

I gotta drive back. I can't. This man's stripping. He's crazy. He's insane. He's insane. But listen, man, I've always made sure that he takes a shot with me. He did make me, he did make sure I took one, uh two nice glasses of uh healthy Tito's.

SPEAKER_10 1:45:58

And I'm not six times the still gluten-free handcraft that made north of Texas. Hey, but look though. Hey, every time that I've ever tried to take a shot out, uh shot with him in public, this is not how you know he's a real man. When he in public, when he chillin' and you know, where ain't no like sitting down shit, that nigga always be like, nah, I'm good. He good. He always been good. I always try. And he knows that. I'm always making him try to take it. Always try to very much so and I don't even like rock. Don't like rock. I've I've I've tr I've tried other things. That's right.

SPEAKER_08 1:46:33

I be like, ah that's my dog, man. I I appreciate you definitely. No, bro, I appreciate you, man. Uh again. It's been my honor, bro. Uh you know, I did this for you because you put out an amazing thing. You deserve to have this this this time and recognition for the stuff that you do. I hope you consider the part for your next release. You know what I'm saying? I I absolutely continue to do great work, bro. Continue to know that. Um I d I told Tom guy the same thing. I told him like, you know, last year I felt like he won make you I feel like this year he won the most important player. I I I try to violent everybody who won't do it. I just wanna let you know, uh, I don't know. I feel things with the hardest thing working on further. With that being said, man, it's the Rapology Podcast, man, for everybody listening to understanding that you are right around the corner from your blessing. It's your boy Mature the Servant, man, and until next time. Peace. Oh, yeah, we're closing out with Renegade, man. This is a go home song, so y'all check out Renegade again. The whole tape available. YouTube, coming soon, all platforms, Smack the Rillis. It's been a pleasure. My man's listen, I'm gonna give him one more.

SPEAKER_16 1:49:06

We have to know that even if it doesn't work today, tomorrow we have to have this knowing that okay, it may not work today, it may not work tomorrow, but this is the right thing, this is what I'm doing, and this is the right thing.

SPEAKER_09 1:49:16

The realist. And that's right. And that's right. And that's right.

SPEAKER_10 1:49:29

Uh I'm on some some grown man shit. Cake up like Dan Drift can't spit. Where I'm living at bottom, make niggas hands slip. I ain't ran shit but a fade. With niggas, I can't get peace from the hands flip. A different max greet them. I see them, hating from a distance. I'm too far ahead. It's a compliment, nigga. No need for vengeance. I'm living in the woods, my boy. My shit is intense. The hustle that is, so fuck you, my nigga. You boys dumb. I don't do that beef shit. I got patience. Before you know it, niggas gon' be dripped out and driftin'. Layin' in the church. With they soul gone, cooler than cold stone. Your bros gone, you hold prone, that's right. You live by the gun, you die by that bitch. Or swat up in your living room like a fly in that bitch. I'd rather be making money and alive in this bitch. Tell my daughter, don't be a snack and keep her eye on her chips. Nigga, the system got y'all thinking that it's cool to die. Or get locked up. Shootin', cause you scared to get boxed up. Lose the pride. You niggas egos a suicide. That's why they only choice is lose or die. I'd rather punch a cop than a nigga. I know my eye for real. I can feel the hatred from behind the wheel. Take me out the whip and get to shoot in my rights. And if I shoot back with law, I could be losing my life. Can't tell you how to live yours. Hope you're using it right. I hope the shit that you do in the dark, you can do in the light. And try to lean on some green, like what you threw in that sprite. Nigga, I'm seasoned and I'm fresh, like a rugal up bright. And now I'll not get nigga grind. If he moving the white, try not to make it a career. Say some blues and get right. I flew through the night, I live like I'm losing my sight. Was ignoring all of the signs. I was losing a fight. This country is just a hustle and our group is a bite. They keep us killing each other, then recoup from the fight. All these privatized jails, nigga, crime dupe. It's about control from UEP to Saddam Hussein. Niggas locked steal for herb, like it ain't on the show. They tell you why it was illegal when it ain't for your health. So if you wanna get some freedom, better aim for the wealth. Cause no confessing your victimizer, the pain that you felt. I had to log off the net, cause all I'm seeing is drama. Trauma, turn to anger, mama creatin' danger.

unknown 1:51:28

That's an eight-year-old recording from that government phone. This nigga lust seeing violence. Ain't no love in his home. Nigga be laid out dead with no blood in his dome.

SPEAKER_10 1:51:37

Kids see it, go inside like that's us when we grown. The fuckers we own. All this sliding shit be over nothing. These niggas really beefin' over bitches they in love with.

unknown 1:51:46

It's never about no money, it's never nothing principle. Niggas never talk about it. Niggas be invincible. Nigga down bad and he beefin'. That's an imbecile.

SPEAKER_10 1:51:54

Killing over hoes, you got pussy in them chititals. Running gangs and complexes, that shit is cynical. Goin' and get some money, doggus out here, it's plentiful. My gang is my family, and I'm moving like a general. Always been a hustler. If it's grinding, what the pencil do? Class of my own, weaving life and using principles. You ain't gotta like me, but respect me at the minimal. Action-oriented, no more talking, what I'm finna do. Can't be out here talking to you niggas when the rent is due. On a PlayStation when you broke is nonsensical. I'll be at my lowest steel, higher than your pinnacle. I'm clinical, diminish, fanatical, raps radical, rarely rational, ravage through max masterful notebooks, I'm focused. No more out here moving like I'm hopeless. I ain't in the field, but I build with the coaches, ferocious. The shit that I'm spitting is hologosis, a awl and a click full of vultures. If my back against the wall, I create with the posters. I'ma be blunt like a tray full of roaches. I swear to me, I'm the coldest. I was in jail. No one came to see me like I'm oldest. So I know that I'm on my own. We're selling shots of folders, a soldier, revolution mentality. I'm a gallery, a statement in motion. Got devotion, not to end up a casualty. If I die, it's a tragedy. Fucked up like it's raggedy. I'm your majesty, I make my own salary, abnormality. I ain't like you niggas at all. If it's bald till you fall, I continue to ball. Ain't never fallin'. The shit that y'all rapping about is appalling. Trend following niggas is temporary. My darling girl, look at me. You see in a visionary. My darling used to hide 20 bags in a dictionary. Was starving, sellin' shots. Out my locker, the money was always callin'. My pen is so complex. Ain't no guessing my login, ain't even flexin'. I'm jogging. Y'all testin' the caution. The nicest nigga in the yak. Put the rest in the coffin. This is an offering. Can put them little bars on the plate. No gatekeeping, I don't know, there's no gate. I'm too great, and that's right.