#79 – How can you design your collaborative workspace with Anouk van Oordt

After working from your garden or your comfortable house, why can it be so hard to come back to the office? In this podcast episode of Rebel Leader with a Heart, collaboration and design expert Anouk van Oordt and I will answer that question and discuss how design can entirely change the cooperation at your workspace!

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Transcript

Murielle Machiels: 0:00

Have you ever wondered why people find it so then wonder, why don't people collaborate more? Well, today translated in your workspace as well. And so I learned today authenticity, for more collaboration, and innovation. Today, I'm obsessed with helping other leaders build meaningful Hello, how are you? Good. And you? Great, great. Nice to have Maybe you can explain a little bit who you are.

Unknown: 2:27

Yes, I can. Absolutely. Thank you. So my name is Vinod, agency triple. And what we do is we transform the way companies something like what we preach, we practice what we preach. So

Murielle Machiels: 3:25

Wonderful, wonderful and a very hot topic, hybrid way of working with usually, but still with the ID remote 20 to 30% would like to work full time from the office. know if it's your experience as well. And if that's a question All day behind a computer in a virtual meeting. Okay, thank

Unknown: 5:05

you for for the introduction. It's correct that large space where people were working in tables that were enhance collaboration, and what we saw happening is that there And so when we saw happening is that the open spaces became way concentrate. And then came the pandemic, and we were all forced where you come to produce, and then you leave. And there was based. So we have a kitchen where we cook, we have a garden am I going to do it? Because nobody saw what you were doing. today, we have to be careful is that people who experienced don't say that everybody has to change, of course, everything When are we coming to the office and to keep cohesion in the some sort of strength or foundation to people to live in would you come to the office, we have many people who say because everything. So if you analyze all the activities that people there's really very dynamic and very high level of energy coming they want to do. But imagine together, what is making sense

Murielle Machiels: 10:39

Yeah. And when I compare it to that, isolate myself to have these meetings, or I choose where I projects, and then I go sits really at the back somewhere a

Unknown: 11:38

absolutely, absolutely. And I think it's important to diversity for inclusion of people. And that we again there back into the office. The environment as we know it today won't be damaged or it can take fire but then the soul that is on the other hand if you create a space that feels safe, they

Murielle Machiels: 13:25

Yeah, that was that was going to be my next to the design of unsafe environment?

Unknown: 13:51

I think when we analyze buildings, office buildings, we If you look at the energy of a building, the energy of a middle what we see happen is that people walk around it and But next to that you Have a walkway walking around. So architecture itself. And from there, I think it's important to would feel very awkward, kind of who is hearing me Is this safe. we make everything glass. And I think, again, from this see what you're doing. And then I always ask myself, but why did sort of organized scales helps to connect as well. And have was imagine the space that is fixed, but allows agility, and so

Murielle Machiels: 17:32

Yeah, yeah. And I always wonder, because house like, never office spaces are designed.

Unknown: 17:59

Absolutely. And I think that was interesting. When we really tell from the, from the scenery behind somebody online, why, why did we do that? Why, and what I think is always desk? I mean, if we don't imagine the impact that that doing? What are we doing? Does it make sense? Should we or bumping into each other. And then innovation creativity goes

Murielle Machiels: 19:43

And that's what I also like about the co people are nice. You have all these possibilities whether you there, they realize that their offices are not adapted anymore. that doesn't cost you millions from the start? Can you do that

Unknown: 21:03

I think you can all but I think that for every every from sterile look and feel or and go to more ambiance or soul, to go. And when you go there, there's something happening to white, and I have this collage or whatever on the floor. You're itself? And then what type of materials or things should I soul and then we build a place. Yeah, and we put little things, your people, I think it's important to give time as well their own space. So we kind of they challenge us, we challenge people anymore. Kind of think, Okay, what should attract? And mobility dues where you can come with a bike or train and give daring.

Murielle Machiels: 24:34

Yeah, yeah. No, nice. And when you start you

Unknown: 24:53

Yeah, absolutely. So what as I said, the values and between the two. And from that we create the concept. And then then we say, Okay, we have people come there, and I think

Murielle Machiels: 25:47

Yeah. Yeah. Like, like everything at work

Unknown: 26:03

Yeah, absolutely. And it's, it's funny, always, when issue. And to make that really brought to life, I think we one again? And I'm like, well, then it's maybe not as, as before, since COVID. Everybody has this wake up call. It's today. Yeah, the teams that were in the company before COVID are generation is very much into that mode. I mean, they don't need for change.

Murielle Machiels: 28:11

Yeah, yeah. And then when you talk about would like to have empowerment in their organization. So this

Unknown: 28:43

Absolutely. In it's true, if you if you look at a And so it brings the gap, it makes a gap felt or experienced most of the time really good. But sometimes we forget to what think we can do better. And I think that if a CEO needs to will change. But the sense of hierarchy or the feeling, and And I think that this fear is felt in the type of design. I experience, I can work maybe even from the garden. And how understand it's very difficult at the same time.

Murielle Machiels: 31:12

Yeah, yeah, it is in the because it's a I

Unknown: 31:24

Yeah, definitely. And I think there's another thing if I

Murielle Machiels: 31:41

or everyone here, but hybrid is the

Unknown: 31:48

mode. Yeah. And I think it's true, true. And I think on or less traffic, which I understand, of course, on the think we will get out of that massage of saying I mean, teams because you I would feel disconnected as well. If I would am I organized my week? And then say, Should I still keep all okay, when do we get together physically? And if we are sense. And then say if I get together, I really connect with

Murielle Machiels: 33:56

Yeah, and that also create connections. And it creates already a bond that you usually don't have,

Unknown: 34:25

But that's again, as you say that that's architecture different feeling or discussion. If you would go to a meeting

Murielle Machiels: 35:08

yeah, I completely agree. And now I'm it won't be like one full day at the office or one full day at somebody spontaneously, where attention is then immediately

Unknown: 36:17

That's correct. That's correct. And I think, yeah, maybe allow to every week to be different, and every day to be different agendas, different weeks different. Yeah,

Murielle Machiels: 37:08

exactly. And when my team and I, we need to

Unknown: 37:29

Absolutely. And it can be outside. I mean, many, many changing when you move environment when you move. For connect, play and interact together? But it's only outside? silence. So So that brings energy to people. Yeah.

Murielle Machiels: 38:40

Okay, it was really nice having this

Unknown: 38:47

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Murielle Machiels: 39:05

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Unknown: 39:07

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Murielle Machiels: 39:13

B. Okay, great. We'll put it in the show

Unknown: 39:17

Thank you. Well, thank

Murielle Machiels: 39:19

you very much. And it was a pleasure

Unknown: 39:33

Absolutely. Thank you very much.

Murielle Machiels: 39:37

Yeah, you finished another episode of great week you rebel leader with a hearts